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@Aaaaaa-u2i1r
@Aaaaaa-u2i1r 17 сағат бұрын
would be cool if disney did a black prince/plot-equivalent, even if the princess is not black.
@haunted2882
@haunted2882 8 күн бұрын
Emma Watson's perspective of Belle is really flawed. Belle is naturally a kind woman, it's not written into her character because she's a woman, she knows who exactly to snap at and doesn't stay polite for too long (if at all) to bigoted people. She wants to connect with someone "who will understand." Also, Belle isn't without flaws, she's a little air headed sometimes and lets her curiosity get the better of her (the west wing). Point I'm making in the animated film Belle isn't being forced to be kind because she's a female lead, that is just who she is.
@brooklyn5755
@brooklyn5755 9 күн бұрын
you have a point!
@Tonabillity
@Tonabillity 12 күн бұрын
Just like any other corporation, there are supervisors that workers have absolutely no influence over. So it’s not really fair to blame black animators for what their corporate bosses choose to do. Bruce Smith probably had his hands full just bringing humanity and authenticity to the character that he was assigned.
@renevanderwesthuizen1520
@renevanderwesthuizen1520 12 күн бұрын
Ewan McGreggor in Moulin Rouge is actually way closer to the Original Belle personality than Emma Watson in the Live Action remake...come to think of it...
@Rose-xy5pe
@Rose-xy5pe 17 күн бұрын
If I may, and forgive me if what I say is rude but I don't think children really pay attention to representation or stereotypes. I mean I know I didn't, I just thought a character was a character. I didn't think there was any hidden agenda or stereotyping. I don't think children care about these things, only adults do. I feel like people nowadays seem to forget to see things from a child's perspective. I think most children just care about if the story is good. But if I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm just basing this on how myself, my sister, and my friends viewed movies when we were children. I'm convinced your topic must be very important but I'm afraid I don't understand it. Please don't be angry.
@Emy-fv5ny
@Emy-fv5ny 23 күн бұрын
When I watched the first scene I hated it. The way she walked bothers me for some reason. It was like she was there and she didn't even care. Awful and it's sad because Belle is one of the most belove Disney princess. 😒
@xAaeiynx
@xAaeiynx 25 күн бұрын
I love Cinderella. Always have. I relate to her, a lot. Maybe this is me projecting, but I think in Cinderella's own way she did love her step family, even if they hated her guts and didn't want any harm on them and didn't want to fight. I'm like that, too. I don't like fights, and I love everybody, even if they don't like me. It takes a lot of strength to do show love and compassion to people who hate you.
@goldendiamon
@goldendiamon Ай бұрын
I watched her in childhood and actually cried when they tore her dress
@rachet87
@rachet87 Ай бұрын
You think this is not insulting?! Cinderella 2015 is literally everything they accuse the original of being: a passive doormat who never stands herself and lets others problems for her. Animated Cinderella had some sass to her as well and all she wanted was to get out of her torture chamber and go to the ball was to have a good time. Live action Cinderella they tried way too hard to make her smarter... even though THIS was the one that did nothing. She doesn't represent the "stronger, independent, smarter" version they claim. She ISN'T stronger; she breaks down and cries when the dress is SLIGHTLY ripped. She ISN'T smarter; her friends in the village tell her she should leave, but she doesn't because it's her parents' house and she loves it for them (even though, again, the Cinderella story calls for her leaving the house at the end), and on top of that, when she is trapped, she doesn't even look for a way out, even when there IS a way out, but... "she didn't care"! And she ISN'T independent; her being rescued actually DEPENDED on the mice to get her out because she couldn't do it herself! And, again, with the slightly-ripped dress, she depended on the magic of the Fairy Godmother to fix it up instead of doing it herself! Original Cinderella is a strong character because of her kindness, bravery and willing to stand up to her tortuerers for a while before she can break down. Her getting the slipper was just her ticket out of an abusive household.
@0deadx21
@0deadx21 11 күн бұрын
I'm completely sure the live-action Cinderella is not a how you write "a passive doormat who never stands herself and lets others problems for her." It's the most idiotic description I've seen randomly throw at anybody who's not girlbossing left and right. Who are the borons saying Cinderella does nothing? What idiotic nonsense do you have to say? You know what, I don't care. The animated Cinderella has one of the most pathetic and lame torture chambers ever. What the hell does she and her stepfamily do the entire goddamn day? It seems like they want to spend as little time with Cinderella as possible. They never talk, only interact, and only to tell her to do chores and stuff, and leave her alone to her own devices. Wow, that's some torture. And she does her chores while smiling and singing, which makes it look like she settled and couldn't care less anymore for a change in her life. Am I suppose to take the live-action Cinderella seriously if she were to suddenly start singing and smiling while doing her chores, like she doesn't care. Does the animated Cinderella even give a damn about her parents or her home? We literally never get an answer as to why she doesn't just leave. Even if one is given, I'm suppose to be happy she values absolutely nothing in there? It's more impactful when a character makes a choice, instead of the movie making choices for them.
@isa12rae
@isa12rae Ай бұрын
I actually prefer when they cast unknown actresses for Disney princess roles, like Lily James as Cinderella. Those actresses would be grateful and help the director meet the vision. Casting someone as big as Emma Watson, she feels like she can change everything to suit herself. For newer actresses, they know the character and story is bigger than them whereas Emma moved like she was bigger than Belle.
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
I agree. I prefer fresh new talent, in general. It actually urks me when only a small group of well-known A-list actors get all of the major roles. I like seeing new faces and new talent. Lily James was a breath of fresh air. Disney, at one time, approached Emma Watson to do Cinderella. Thank goodness she turned it down. I wish she had turned down Belle too, haha.
@isa12rae
@isa12rae Ай бұрын
Emma wanted to bring 2013-present insufferable feminism into a classic beloved movie that didn't even need to become more feminist for the modern audience, as it already was feminist to begin with. Same with the Mulan live action.
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Yup
@GUAGA0612
@GUAGA0612 2 ай бұрын
It’s almost like she’s ashamed of belle
@Daleth4
@Daleth4 2 ай бұрын
I think Ariel should just be a translucent disgusting fish thing living in the deep sea, that just makes sense!
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
😂
@Daleth4
@Daleth4 2 ай бұрын
I feel like the movie forgets that Belle lives in her head at the beginning of this story, she lives in fiction and she doesn't care at all about her village, she's just weird and that's what makes her fit so perfectly in the castle; living in her dream!
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
I agree. She doesn't feel tied to her neighbors or community. She is an oddball who wants to be among other oddballs.
@daytimefern8895
@daytimefern8895 2 ай бұрын
Wait I thought it was very clear and obvious that prince naveen was not black, I thought he was indian because that what he looked like.
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Hey, Indian would be more accurate than black. But some people somehow thought Naveen was black. If people watched the bonus features on the home release, they'd see that the animators had 0 intent on making him black.
@bobbs6149
@bobbs6149 2 ай бұрын
I’m playing Belle at the moment and I can’t see at all why she is not feminist?? She is kind and gentle, but she’s just as much stubborn and a bit feisty. She doesn’t fit in cause she is nerdy and awkward, which makes her hard to blend in with the rest of the town. I love her, she’s so interesting to me! She’s not perfect by any means, but she’s a good person and that’s what makes the audience root for her- she literally sacrifices herself for her father, she’s brilliant just the way she is
@beastcity9651
@beastcity9651 2 ай бұрын
Anyone who's been to a funeral will say, "It's not wrong to pay last respects to your loved ones." Searching far and wide just to say good-bye to anyone you care deeply about qualifies as love in my book. P.S. Snow White's appearance doesn't make her beautiful. It's her actions: From helping a baby blue bird find their lost parents to joining the Dwarfs in with their singing and dancing, and then entertaining them with a story upon their request. In short: Kindness = Beauty, not the other way around.
@AlternativeBIackBarbie
@AlternativeBIackBarbie 2 ай бұрын
Felix and Peppa? Their both hispanic but Felix is mixed with black and Peppa obviously has white heritage
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Hi. May you provide some context for your comment in relation to whichever part of my video you are referencing?
@MelodiaBeatriz
@MelodiaBeatriz 2 ай бұрын
The most annoying scene of Emma as Belle is "be our guest", where she plays like Belle had seen furniture, dishes, and candles dancing-singing-flying all the time in her role life. That was her expression: "Oh, look at the plates having fun, again". Even if they were people, the show was amazing and she was so excited as a white wall.
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
I can't believe that people feel that Mulan was the worst Disney remake..... the Remake needs to be able to stand on its own I think they use the original movies too heavy😊..... I just hope Disney doesn't mess up the Pocahontas remake😊
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Personally, I'd rather they not remake Pocahontas. She was a real person, and her actual story is really sad and shouldn't be turned into a romantic love story. I think Disney should just leave it at the animated films and never do a remake. As for Mulan, I've never seen the remake. I honestly just have no real interest. I loved the animated film, and knowing that Mushu is entirely cut out of the story and that the captain is no longer a real romantic interest... that is a turn-off. Plus, didn't they gender-bend Shan Yu and make the villain a woman?? Like... for what? PLUS, I heard the light comedic aspects of the original film were removed to make it a more serious story. There are just too many changes for my liking.
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
Maybe Disney can depict Ariel as a half human half mermaid because in my opinion she's still a princess of the ocean........ they should treat it as if she told her father and the mer-people see you later instead of goodbye😊
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
Disney might be able to redeem themselves by making live-action original adaptations of the characters and let them cross over.... for example maybe a live-action Princess Tiana and Pocahontas meeting each other with a black antithesis to Dr facilier....... just my thoughts😊
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
😊🎉 I always thought that Snow White and Cinderella were very similar since they both have cruel stepmothers but something that's bothers me about Snow White is that if Snow White is only 14 why is her stepmother so jealous of her......... I saw a theory recently that implies that when the Prince came to her and kissed her to wake her up that she had actually died at that moment and the prince carried her off to heaven😊 I don't know if this theory is canon
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Yeah, it is kind of weird to be jealous of a kid as a grown woman. I guess the Queen is just overly obsessed with looks that she'll even compete with a child to be the "fairest."
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
😊 I'm assuming the white gloves means a roast........ I agree with you 100% but keep in mind we have a voice if we want black male representation we can do something about it😊 what they could have done in the Princess and the Frog was probably make Naveen from Africa😊 I don't know if Disney could have pulled that off
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
The Beauty and the Beast remake was pretty good I went to theaters and saw it but I recently saw a theory that connects Beauty and the Beast to The Princess and the Frog...... I forgot the details but the theory implies that the enchantress that cursed the Beast was Mama Odie😂😂😂 I don't know this theory is canon😊
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
LOL. If Mama Odie were THAT petty of a person, that would be kind of funny. In both versions of Beauty and the Beast, the Enchantress is depicted as white.
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
I went to the movies and saw the Cinderella remake it was really good probably one of the best Disney remakes........ some of the ones that just released weren't so good I just hope that Disney doesn't mess up Pocahontas remake😊😊😊
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
I respect the direction they went in for Cinderella, and I do love the butterfly motif. That said, nothing has been able to come close to the original film. Dreaming, wishing, resilience, friendship, magic, faith, and being rewarded for your kindness and heart are all themes that held my heart in the original.
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
😊 I know I'm a little late but I just wanted to point out I was one of those people that sort of blamed Cinderella😊 I'm so glad I watched this video because it changed my opinion...... I thought to myself if that house belonged to Cinderella's father shouldn't Cinderella be the rightful owner of that estate but she's been mistreated since a child.... and I can't believe the Cheetah Girls made that bash about Cinderella😂 she represents dreams and hopes😊
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
I'm glad you're seeing Cinderella in a more empowering light! It's always great to see people think critically about narratives that were told to them when they were younger. 😊
@a_rellw5971
@a_rellw5971 3 ай бұрын
🐟🐟🐟 like you stated Ariel from the original Disney movie has her own identity so I'm starting to reconsider that maybe the remake race swap wasn't a good idea........... unless Disney decides to give the original Disney characters a , they might could pull that off then people would be upset about that........ I just hope the Disney doesn't mess up Pocahontas😊
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
Yeah, Ariel has been established over a very long period of time. In my opinion, until both sides have more equalized representation in society when it comes to numbers and notoriety, I don't think we're really at the point of swapping out and playing one another.
@hotwax9376
@hotwax9376 3 ай бұрын
First, even if Cinderella had wanted to leave, she couldn't because she had nowhere else to go before the ball. Also, some non-Disney adaptations of the fairy tale might have Cinderella living in the basement, so I wouldn't necessarily consider that quote to be in error, because perhaps they're not referring to this film. (It's worth noting that the Rodgers & Hammerstein musical adaptation, or at least the 1997 made for TV movie, also has Cinderella's stepmother locking her in another room during the fitting of the glass slipper, though this is by no means common to all of them).
@CeltycSparrow
@CeltycSparrow 3 ай бұрын
I agree with you, and I will even go a bit deeper and say that they RUINED the Beast in this movie, as well. Three moments in particular that come to mind are when he takes Belle to her room after he frees Maurice, when he gives Belle the library and when he lets her go after the dance, to find her father. In the original movie, the moment when she trades her life for her father's is the beginning of the Beast's change of heart. You can SEE he feels bad about what has just happened and he gives her a comfortable room, rather than making her stay in the cell. He tries to comfort her when he sees her crying. In this one, he's not even THERE. Its Cogsworth and Lumiere who take Belle to the room, and thus, we don't get that first moment of connection. With the library is him first starting to have feelings for Belle after she brought him home after the wolves attack.. He wants to do something really special for her, because she was kind to him. So he surprises her with the library and gives it to her and she teaches him to read and its a beautiful moment. In this version, he scoffs at her love of reading (over the same book, no less, Romeo and Juliet) and then sort of tosses it in her lap, as if it was nothing. It takes away what is so sweet and romantic and special about this moment. Then they RUIN the dance scene by taking away all the buildup of having the dinner and going in to dance. And then, when the Beast lets her go, there is no moment where he stops to consider his own fate and THEN lets her go, in spite of it. Indeed, his line where he finally confesses his love for her is NOT EVEN HIS. Its given to Mrs. Potts. So, again, that moment is ruined.
@Grace-g8k2x
@Grace-g8k2x 3 ай бұрын
Comment.
@msmorewood
@msmorewood 3 ай бұрын
Belle was already a feminist character, she didn't need all this "build a washing machine" and "teach a girl to read" to show us that.
@kmake815
@kmake815 3 ай бұрын
👸Thank you for the video! Loved your thoughts ☺
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate it! 😊
@EchoEssen
@EchoEssen 3 ай бұрын
Belle's reading tastes were so odd for the movie. They kept advertising how Live Action Belle was going to be more intellectual. So I thought she would be reading philosophic or scientific essays... but the writers picked Romeo and Juliet? This feels odd for she does not seem like the kind of girl who loves passionate young love stories that end in lover suicide. She comes off as the kind of person who would call them stupid. They defiantly went after recognition (as if no other literature existed but that one play by Shakespeare back then) and it's so unfitting for her. Like animated Belle would have loved the drama of a lover's suicide but live-action Belle, if they had to pick a romance by Shakespeare, should have been Much Ado About Nothing or something. They also could have had her read books by women from around that time. That would have been cool, the original fairy tale was written by a woman in 1740 and she wasn't the only female author. But I guess that would have undermined Belle's whole "girls don't read" thing if were told women wrote back then. Not that the times were without stigmas, but acting like they didn't exist in a movie promoting female empowerment to uplift a "feminist" fictional character feels so disingenuous. Why not let the movie be an opportunity to educate through Belle who could have been their biggest admirer. If Belle was a "scientist" she could have been asking if her book by Emille Du Chatelet had arrived or whatever. I wish they did more with Live-Action Belle, they kept saying she was going to be a scientist but other than a washing machine she made off-screen, it never felt like she was passionate about it. Like they did all this build-up for the "new feminist belle" and she comes off as so snobbish to me.
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo 3 ай бұрын
I really don't like that it just wasn't enough for Belle to be a nerdy, geeky, imaginative dreamer. What is so wrong about that? If Disney really wants to empower girls/women, why not reinforce that women can be anything they want, regardless of what society thinks? It wasn't always mainstream for girls to be devout bookworms and fantasy lovers. If it were, they wouldn't have had to use pen names back then to hide their identities when they wrote books. I'm sure Belle was probably inspiring to women like J. K. Rowling, seeing as how both the animated movie and Rowling writing her first book took place in the early 90s. Disney thinks that STEM = empowerment. And, sure, STEM can be empowering in its own right. However, I think it sends the wrong message. It makes it seem like if women and girls want to be taken seriously, then they can only be portrayed in a certain light. That's really messed up. Traditional women still exist. Beauty gurus/influencers still exist. Authors and bookworms still exist. Cosplayers and costume designers still exist. Socialites still exist. None of these are STEM careers, yet ALL of these avenues for women are valid. I've said this before on my channel, and I'll it again: giving female characters attributes that may be associated with men or masculinity does NOT make her more valid or worthy of more respect that other women. They TOOK Maurice's talents/abilities and gave them to Belle. That isn't who Belle was. That was her father's passion, and Belle gave him her full support. I literally JUST thought of this! You know what would have been cute for the remake and truer to Belle's personality? If she had a LAARP session with the Beast (or somehow convinced him to play along lol). She could pretend to be a powerful wizard and maybe had the Beast be a dragon, and she could have beaten the "dragon" with amazing "spells". Then, maybe the Beast could have been lightly triggered by the LAARP because it reminded him of the Enchantress who cursed him (but of course, Belle wouldn't have known that). I swear...Disney should hire fans of their original work to help them write these remakes. But ok, I'll stop there. I feel like I'm going on and on at this point. 😅😅
@EchoEssen
@EchoEssen 3 ай бұрын
@@WondrousJoJo Very true, girls enjoying geeky things wasn't as mainstream as it is today. I remember being in middle school and someone asking me when I'll stop reading manga, and I thought about how grown men get to attend comic conventions dressed as Batman or Obi Wan, but my geeky interest has an experation date? I understand your perspective, it's annoying listening to people say they are promoting "female empowerment" while dissing any women who enjoy traditional girly things, are gentle, or are non-confrontational. Women should be supported in all ways, all I want from my female characters is to feel genuine. I didn't hate the idea of scientist Belle, but I understand the larger framing, especially because they promoted it as improving her. I thought Disney would preserve Belle's compassion, wonder, and wit. When I watched the movie I gave it the benefit of the doubt that those characteristics would be preserved, but they didn't, because it made Belle "submissive," and slapped a scientist attribute to call her a positive role model. AND Like seriously Submissive!? Didn't they watch the original film? First Belle rejects Gaston by tricking him into falling out of her house into the mud, when her dad is missing she immediately goes to find him, then the moment the Beast scares her shes "I'm out," Belle only gives the Beast a second chance because after he rescued her they talk and she gives him a piece of her mind about his attitude. She was all that while still being a very soft, kind, and romantic person, it was valid and she was loved for it.
@elaGuillen
@elaGuillen 3 ай бұрын
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@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo 3 ай бұрын
Love your pfp!
@LoveMafae
@LoveMafae 3 ай бұрын
Dark people like to use light skin mixed people as black to feel good about being black.
@monochromelife1551
@monochromelife1551 3 ай бұрын
i don't think KZbinrs realise what a hard time they give to asexual people...or just those ones uninterested in or traumatised by emotional connections.
@WondrousJoJo
@WondrousJoJo Ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with being asexual. My point was that it shouldn't be used as a shadowy marketing strategy. If there is to be an actual asexual character, it needs to be a genuine attempt, and not only be used as a lazy, quick-fix answer to a minority of people complaining about girls/women getting with a male character in the story. Can you see how that's both cheap and problematic of Disney?
@radhitarichgirl
@radhitarichgirl 3 ай бұрын
Belle is my Favorite princess and she is a great role model for youngers. And even BATB is the first animated movie to receive an Academy Award. But this remake just ruined not only Belle's character but also beast's character. And i think everything is wrong with this live action.
@imposter609
@imposter609 3 ай бұрын
Damn i actually identity as a nerd Too bad my family would hate my hyperfixation
@GbyP
@GbyP 3 ай бұрын
Cinderella is like Marilyn Monroe in a way, a troubled and abused past and married her way to freedom. Cinderella was an abused woman who simply desired happiness and freedom. If she retaliated against Lady Tremaine, she would be homeless.
@prowlandsasuke
@prowlandsasuke 3 ай бұрын
The thing is belle was already a feminist character, she had her own dreams and didnt let gaston make his way into her life, she even shoves him out the door. The villagers never disliked belle and it wasnt because she reads, it was because she kept to herself.
@trinstonmichaels7062
@trinstonmichaels7062 3 ай бұрын
Without a soul nothing can survive.
@phbtonyou
@phbtonyou 3 ай бұрын
Cinderella is one of my favorite princesses, and I rewatch her movie every now and again to remind me that there is a lot more strength in kindness and patience than modern society gives her credit for. The way modern society looks down on her is a disservice to the lessons she teaches, and they just want to find a reason to call her a bad role-model when in reality she's one of the strongest. <3
@siborgproductions2422
@siborgproductions2422 3 ай бұрын
I recommend you watch Marahu Hosada’s Belle (if you haven’t already) it’s basically beauty and the beast but with social media and in my humble opinion it’s much better than the Emma Watson film especially with how they handle Suzu/Belle not to mention both Kylie Mcniell and Kaho Nakhamura (both the English voice and Japanese voice respectively) are much better singers.
@McCammalot
@McCammalot 3 ай бұрын
Too short! I didn't realize, I thought it was a deep dive, sorry 😆 More of your opinion, please? (Seriously, there was a TON of this particular version that just did not work.)
@MsBerann
@MsBerann 3 ай бұрын
Have you watched the new Disney Junior show Ariel? There they actually have a black father for Ariel (she's black too, by the way)! I'm not trying to say anything negative about it, it's great!😊 Maybe you would like it, because of the representation?
@MsBerann
@MsBerann 3 ай бұрын
YES!🖤🔥 Frollo is the best Disney villain ever! Defenitely agree! 😄
@MsBerann
@MsBerann 3 ай бұрын
At least on "That's so Raven" we got a full, strong totally normal black family. ❤ I loved that! The kids were fun and the parents were just as fun. And the dad Victor was a great chef and later on he opens a restaurant. I don't remember what the mom Tanya worked at, but I think it was at a spa and that's wonderful too. So proud I got to grow up with this show! 😊