0.2g? Just Say No!

[@marsdenhand]

Love negative, but you didn’t even read the joule chart correctly. This was not a very good description of what was happening with the vsr. But the general sentiment of chrono on your weight bb is correct

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

How. Dumb. Are. You. The chrono moron "the CHRONO MORON" Read the chart wrong... FML...

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

I've pinned this.... People are so desperate to prove me wrong that they don't even watch & listen properly...

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Like, I EVEN PAN THE SHOT UP THE GREEN LINE FFS! You saw no clue there? "Oh I don't fink you dud a gud job ackshully" Jeeeesus....

[@mucke7907]

Don't hate on him. Even tho you are right, you described it like an Ape on cocaine. I'm watching you for such a long time, i'm sure that's some britsh imperial system stuff I am jet to understand fully. Why not say. "If the Speed of the BB is konstant while you increase the wieght of the BB, the energie of the BB will increase exponentially. On the otherhand, if the weight is constant and you double the speed, you will gain four times the energie. Because E = 0,5m • v²

[@justberen1876]

The chart is not worth the paper/cookies you see it with. It is the reading of kinetic energy that matters at the chrono. Most chronos can easily be changed to the users weight.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Back when I was managing the mall, we only used .2g for chrono as it was a 340fps max, semi only, but now people know more & it's time to change how it's done.

[@jediknight1294]

We need to beat into the insurance companies that this needs to happen... Same as the shit with turning hop off is moronic.

[@Tinblitz]

"But this is how we've always done it" is a plague the world over.

[@Debbiebabe69]

Dont you think its about time even sites who insist on chronoing on house BBs moved on from .2s? I mean, who actually uses them in a game these days other than for rentals (which probably only shoot 250 anyway) or moscarts (which probably only shoot 50 or so unless you use a forty mike) If they insist on using a set weight bb for chrono, why not change to .28 for pistols/aegs and .4 for basr/dmr?

[@DZSherpa]

So you DID manage the mall! That's where I started airsofting :) Thanks for getting me hooked and making me enjoy it so much. Your attitude and energy stuck with me and for ages I couldn't figure out why you were so familiar....

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

@@DZSherpa (don't tell people what I'm like in real life)

[@markchappell3063]

Soo glad you have done this vid, thank you! I use HPA (and yes you hate it) but a local site made me chrono on 0.20 and was well under as its set up for 0.30. They said I could turn it up to 350 as they chrono on a 0.2 and i told them to F@*K OFF as it would be waaay too hot. I showed them what it did on a 0.3 at the same setup and they still didnt understand why it was just under the 0.30 limit!!!! The site is now closed lol

[@braf7349]

All this before you even realize that the field "chrono" is a soda can from 1986.

[@Rick_Makes]

I had this yesterday. Playing at a site I've not been to for almost two years because of an arrogant manager and asked what bbs they chrono on so I knew if I should take my mags and ammo or an empty mag to be told "our .2s like it should be". The other two sites the company owns chronos on your ammo and uses joules instead of fps. I understand why .2 and whatever fps limit was used 15+ years ago because most chronos only showed fps without settings for bb weight but there's no excuse now when even the budget chronos have all the readings you'd need.

[@JohnDoesSports]

Even then, you can have a laptop or a smartphone nearby with the formula for kinetic energy in a spreadsheet.

[@DrBonesFolo]

Must be a british thing then :/ All the sites i know in germany chrono with your ammo weight and give you a read out in joule

[@jediknight1294]

​@@DrBonesFoloit's a crap insurance company thing usually, some still have a must be 0.2 mandate

[@nimmen]

I've only watched the first half so far. Great showcase about what joule creep is. This gun appears to be built to be very efficient at shooting .43. Side effect is that it can't tranfer the energy as well into the lighter bb. People can and will abuse it to their advantage if fields keep measuring this way, by just taking this the other way around. There's been a whole thing about this in NL where now everything has to be measured with .30, which is the max allowed weight for assault/sidearm (DMR/bolt is max .40) As for part where you showed the non-linearity. Spot on explained without getting into formulas. (For those who want to know: E = ½mv² . E is energy in joules, m is mass in kilograms, v is velocity in m/s.) Velocity is squared in this formula, which explains why double the bb weight at the same speed is double the joules, but double the speed at the same weight is a much higher increase in energy.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

People suck

[@Eagle6Airsoft]

I agree, a flipping pain in the arse. And unsafe if you ask me. 0.2 Sites get lucky that the joule creep mostly goes in there favour, but as you have proven it can also go the other. Thus the site is allowing someone on with an unsafe bit of kit the moment they load up the actual ammo they plan to use. Just say no to 0.2. You wouldn’t play with 0.2, why would you chrono on it. I send builds world wide too, luckily the eu country’s are a lot more progressive and have moved entirely over to joules. USA is still a lottery.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Time to upset the apple cart!

[@DannyGruesome]

I dont get this saying lol

[@GT_Kilo]

Send this to First and Only so they can derail it and reinvent science again

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

@@GT_Kilo he's on button moon, pointless...

[@RyWieldsReplicas]

First and only 👀 only place I've been that chrono in .2s (Anzio camp) and I'm pretty sure there was multiple hot guns on the day

[@boggisthecat]

Our club transitioned from FPS to Joules years ago. The only problem is with people being sketchy about the weight they are using, so you should also have a small set of scales to perform ‘random checks’ of suspected dickheads. We also have a 0.25 g max for no minimum engagement distance. Much moaning from a few people wanting to use 0.43 g at point blank, but it has headed off a ‘BB weight race’ where a few people were trying to convince everyone to go along the path to heavier and heavier BB weight.

[@joshkiej6601]

at our fields they just test with .30 for assault and .40 for snipers and dmr's. by far the best way to do it imo

[@boggisthecat]

@@joshkiej6601 No, that is completely stupid unless they’re using those weights. Did you not watch this video? Each weight results in a shifted velocity, and also your hop won’t be correct. We ensure that they get their gun dialled in to fire flat, then chrono using their BBs. The general rule is 0.25 g (or lower, but we sell 0.25 g cheap to members) for no MED and then higher weights may be justified dependent upon the gun - but it’s at the discretion of the club committee and those running the day.

[@mattangle3342]

Love the video Luke! This is my biggest gripe in airsoft. Not knowing the complex equation of things that go into what power output you get in an airsoft gun. I build snipers and use them myself almost exclusively. My local field chrono’s with .25’s and has a 500fps limit with .25’s for bolt actions. If i were to run my silverback at 500fps with a .25 , by time i throw my .48’s in it. I will be WELL above the 4j mark with the amount of joule creep in my rifle. And all of the refs always give me a look when my gun chronos in the low 300’s with a .25 but because “you wont do well with a sniper at that power” but low and behold when i put .48’s in it and the gun jumps up to 2.9j (the field limit) because of the volume to barrel ratio. Blows my mind how people don’t get the concept. And this has the reputation for being the best field in the area. If you had the knowledge you could easily be shooting double the field limit without even getting flagged at the chrono station!

[@bennyboy0773]

Can we also just appreciate just how insanely consistent that VSR was that you've built, that chrono'd at 2.3J every time

[@shotbymiles]

Can't wait to get it back ;)

[@Nater2204]

​@@shotbymilescan't wait to see gameplay brother.

[@DartzIRL]

I've always assumed there're two reasons why sites do 'stupid things'. 1: Because the site owner doesn't know better and 'this is the way we've always done it', like those monkeys with the ladder. 2: Because some gobshite once found a way to be 'clever' and ruin it for everyone by cheating chrono with .12's or .43s or something daft.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Both

[@user-jo7mo4dc7v]

It's also good sportsmanship as well to correct your Joules, as many snipers out there know they've got a 3Joule gun on 0.45's but when chronoed its 490FPS on 0.2's, I've just cut my spring down to achieve the correct level of joules. All sites should be chronoed on weight and joule no other way around it, I'm glad someone in the community with a big enough following can speak up about it. Job well done Negative !

[@PopeLeo]

The chart is correct but only in a theoretical world. It's other factors that cause "joule creep" (actually joule loss). The Joules is a unit of the energy, that will come only from your spring and wont change. More energy is lost with lighter BB's during it's travel down the barrel (I don't know how but thats the only explaination). Energy can't be created, only what is stored in the spring when you use your weetabix to cock it back, so energy must be lost using the 0.2g.

[@andrewblackmore3150]

Nancy Regan approves this message.......I can't believe there are sites still doing this

[@srslywtfcl4p404]

still insane to me that people chrono with only .2's and FPS. You should always be looking at Joules because a Joule is a Joule in the end, but FPS will vary on the BB weight

[@Uria-jz1gu]

A fps is a fps and joule will vary on a bb weight

[@srslywtfcl4p404]

@@Uria-jz1gu maybe i wrote it in a bad way. 1J is a certain amount of energy. It doesnt matter what BB weight you use, because 1J is 1J. 300fps on the other hand will have different amounts of energy depending on what weight BB you get up to that speed. so having just a 1J limit is better than a 300fps limit for example

[@peterblacquiere8298]

Finally, someone addressed the elephant in the room 👍 Every field should learn this !!! Great work!

[@Greendore]

When I first got into sniping, I knew nothing about joule creep and the site we played at only measured in 0.20's. I had 495 fps on 0.20's, it got passed and I switched to my 0.45's. I dread to think what my FPS reading would of been!

[@egon2875]

Oooof. The anti tank sniper rifle! 😮😂

[@JohnWhitworth1970]

Absolutely how I feel about it too. Chrono on the weight of bb being used, weigh the bbs too. Put a sticker on the gun marked with actual fps as chronoed and weight declared/bb weighed at. It will take a few extra seconds. Random chrono and mag drop/weigh bbs throughout the day and you'll stop all that bollocks within a month once the word gets out.

[@bensosnoski8174]

Absolutely bang on Negative. When using .2 and FPS only for “safety”, two things happen. 1. A lot of peoples replicas are denied when they are actually within limits with the desired (not .2) bbs. 2. Over the limit replicas are allowed because some people know how to joule creep. Bad for “safety”

[@tatkoairsoft2146]

Very nice explanation and showcase of Joule creep in action. Recently I did test on 363mm barrel/140 PSI (HPA) and the values for 0.2g/0.48g/0.90g were 2j/3j/4j ... which is quite a difference. Simply said, always chrono as you go into the game (Proper ammo weigth and hop set) ... as that is as close as possible to the reality how your replica will operate and it is the most fair across all platforms. Since AEGs tend to loose power while hoping heavier bbs while Gas and HPA platform is unaffected... which creates even bigger power gap during the live games. And if your field measures only on 0.2 be a wise human beeing and set you replica to match the site's Joule limit with what YOU are using ... At the end of the day, we are playing this game for fun, not to hurt the others.

[@FrozenByFire3]

What in the fuck bbs are 0.9g???

[@tatkoairsoft2146]

@@FrozenByFire3 copper bbs .. of course, stricly used only for targets on closed range :) , never in the game itself

[@FrozenByFire3]

​@@tatkoairsoft2146damn those must be some expensive ass precision copper ball bearings haha.

[@tatkoairsoft2146]

@@FrozenByFire3 actually bag of 1000 is just 7 euro, while 0.48 cost 25 :D

[@FrozenByFire3]

@@tatkoairsoft2146 you sir gotta send me a link hahaha

[@Fatty4president]

We do it very simple load a mag with our .3 bb’s shoot into the same type of chrono you use and you cannot go over 1.2J for assault and side arms. It’s 1.7J for a DMR and 2.3J for a bolt action. We use .30 because the joule creep between .30 and .40 is minimal. And by law (I am in the Netherlands) you cannot use anything heavier than a .30 in a assault or side arm and those are the most common types of replica’s we see. DMR and bolt action can go up to .40

[@Xenoniuss_]

Officially, DMR's and Sniper are to be chrono'd with .4's, that it doesn't really happen is another thing, but that's what is officially supposed to be done. Which honestly makes perfect sense to me, always measure with the heaviest permitted BB and I can't understand why other countries don't do the same 😅...

[@justberen1876]

Thank you thank you thank you for doing this. It’s also worth mentioning that P&CA deals in muzzle energy and joules, not the measurement of speed.

[@Randalf]

In switzerland most sites chrono with .3 for everything expect sniper rifles which are chronoed with .4 or .45

[@Spollekop]

In the Netherlands for assault the limit is 1,2 joules with max 0,30 gram bb's. Measured at the chrono with 0,30 gram bb's no matter what bb's you decide to use in your rif. Limits for dmr and bolt action are higher of course. Bb, weight limit is also higher, 0,40 grams, but still measured with 0,30 grams. These are national rules. Sites are not allowed to have looser rules, but can choose stricter rules if they want. It's not perfect but a lot more straight forward compared to other countries like Belgium, where every field has different rules and chrono methods. It fixes joule creep pretty well.

[@dolovo_gaming3081]

Yeh the ruling is good, like sure the DMR and sniper will still joule creep, but the joule creep difference of .30s to .40s is often at max 0.3 joule. Like I personally love the ruling we have since it makes it possible to just go to different fields every time, and still know you won't get into trouble at the chrono. And on the stricter rule part, I often seen that with DMRs. That they have to be a replica that was actually used as a dmr or to be a certain lenght with a magnified optic. To avoid the people that run a small pistol caliber carbine as DMR haha

[@jonmacq6622]

I chrono'd last year at a site downstate, and the guy at the station asked what weight I was using. .32s. "Oh, I would never use BBs that heavy in a rifle." Okay, man. Whatever. lol

[@wideboy93]

Thanks luke loved the video. I've had this discussion with many marshalls over the years because my ptw (please don't be sick) chops .2s bbs the lowest bb wieght it will fire is a .23s and have had to prove it a few times and would carry a bag of .23s to chrono for the marshalls who don't know me

[@37Case]

I have 2 fields in my area one is an hr and a half away and the other is 2hrs away and from there your looking at four hrs or more. I stopped going to the closest one to me for this very reason because they dont know how to chrono properly and they try to tell me my builds are over the limits when no the fuck they aren’t so fuck off and I can go to the field farthest from me and get chronoed with the bbs that I build my build to use and I’m golden no issues at chrono…so I truly understand this video

[@ImGoingSpace]

its not even complicated, and people still fuck it up

[@maggotpraiswater]

So American here (Florida man) and a lot of local sites are now measuring with .32g bbs with hop off. For the past 2 years I have yet to go to a outdoor field or event where my joule difference wasn’t too noticeable between chronos. 1.55j for rifleman. I use between .32 to .38s. Be safe out there.

[@Spollekop]

Chronoing with hop off is also a dumb thing to do. Most guns will shoot hotter with the hop off, so whatever. But some snipers can seriously drop off fps when the hop is completely off. In my opinion Chrono should be done with the hop set for the bb's you intend to use in game and tested with bb's of the same weight as the sites max bb weight for the class your rif sits in.

[@konstancemakjaveli]

I completely understand your anger. If i was you, or you were me, we'd both be angry in our respective fields all the timr

[@heret1xx]

Not a long time follower (yet), but i must say that Negative videos are hands down the best i've found on the net. As a fellow ''airsoft techie'' i've found a few solutions watching the videos before i even got to the problem xD Also i've used your explanation of ''creeping'' a few times so far but a lot of my countries events still force people to chrono on their ''on site'' BB weight -.- bunch of morons tbh but, hey, even those must exist i suppose xD

[@kn4ppster]

Thanks, I've lost an ear drum but THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO IT THAN THAT.

[@untrust2033]

Why would a site care if your gun is "not powerful enough" ???

[@TheShamanizer]

The most accurate and concise way to mathematically explain what's happening here with "jule creep" is this formula here. E=1/2mv^2 What this formula stipulates is that the energy, E required to accelerate a mass, m to a given velocity, v, is equal to half, 1/2, of the mass multiplied by the given velocity squared. This is a universal physical property of the world and doesn't just apply to arirsoft ball bullets but to the energy your car needs to accelerate from 30mph to 40mpg vs the energy to accelerate the same car from 50mph to 60mph and many other things. I think Luke did a great job of attempting to explain this phenomenon. I think that if sites are going to insist on having players chrono using the sites ammo then at least allow the player access to the correct weight they'll be using in game. *edited for bad speeling and grandma.... 😂

[@Debbiebabe69]

the problem IS they assume E=1/2mv^2 applies only to the BB. They assume that when you pull the trigger and it fires a .2 bb at 500 this equates to a certain number of joules, and if you then put in .43s when you pull the trigger a magic force equal to that measured number of joules now acts on the .43 bb. Whats they dont consider is mechanical forces inside the gun. The spring, motor, hop chamber, barrel, and air seals all eat up part of the force you want to act on the BB - and they eat up the same amount of force whatever weight BB you are firing. Consider as an extreme example a gun with treacle around the spring. That gun would probably shoot a .2 exactly the same speed as a .48 as most of the energy would be spent overcoming the treacle rather than propelling the BB.

[@patrikpape5768]

I love my cheap .2's in cqb. Barely hurts and the distances in cqb are so low, i even had proper results using .16's. And paying 4 € a bag with 0 problems after 10000's of shots just feels awesome :D

[@madmaxmxp7811]

I had this discussion so often but some poeple didn't even want to understand.

[@MercutioUK2006]

I'm not sure why people find this hard to understand, or argue about semantics......it's basic physics. My only conclusion is that people are willfully argumentative or willfully dense. Ban everyone.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

I agree.

[@darkshock42mlg05]

Thankfully my field will ask me what I'm loaded with and go from there. I run .32 is in my lct rpk16. And I have a 50 ft med and nothing changes that. You got to realize if it's not an aeg or pistol, You have to Chrono in j. Not sure if sr25's and svd's have this issue as well due to the extended cylinder. That's where the joule creep is coming from on bolt actions. Like let's say I was to buy a cyma platinum SR25 and put .36's in will it be 2 j instead of the expected 1.7. of course I'm just pulling numbers out my ass and I'm still going down the rabbit hole of what I should do for a dmr with my $500 budget and I don't want to hpa if I don't have to for really good trigger response since all you get with a sr25 or svd is precoking and 11.1 and of course they have that 28 tpa motor already.

[@sinnerairsoft8487]

Thats how we do it in Denmark, crono on the bbs you come with : max 1.69 j on anything up to a .32 and tbh we got to a point where people would crono themselves without the need of a ref, granted it might not work everywhere, not all communities are as nice as the one that was there

[@e46.H]

My site crono's on player weight in joules. 1.3/1.88/2.32 limits. They don't weight ammo in the morning, its done on trust (probably because of time) but when spot checks are done during the day, you're cronos and ammo weighted.

[@rogerborg]

I absolutely agree with this, in principle. In practice, even the sites I play at which chrono using my own BBs just ask the weight: it's never been checked, not once, and would be trivial to game it (and laugh it off as "Durr, I dunno, derp" if caught). As a pragmatic compromise, if sites are going to chrono on one BB weight that they supply, it should be 0.4g+. Sure, there may be a few cases of under-volumed brrt-gun creeping the other way, but guns tend to creep more with heavier BBs, and there no reason (except pennies of cost) to keep throwing in 0.2g and partying like it's 1999. If there's a couple that come out hot with 0.4g, then those can be tested individually with the intended BBs. But even that's dreaming, as pre-game chrono is largely safety theatre anyway. If you're not spot-testing in game you might as well not bother.

[@dolovo_gaming3081]

In the Netherlands every field chrono's with .30s. The max weight allowed for full out is .30 gram with a joule of 1.2. The limits for DMR is 1.7 joule and for BASR 2.3 joule on .30s. For DMRs and BASR .40s are allowed but the joule creep between .30s and .40s is often 0.1 and in extreme cases if the setup is perfectly volumed 0.3 joule. In general I would say it is quite well regulated here in that regard, since you know if your rifle is good on one field for limits it is good for all fields in the Netherlands.

[@DannyMNL]

@@dolovo_gaming3081 except if they use bad quality chrono's or don't know what the hell they're doing. I've had some site chrono's give a sub 1.0J reading, and some a 1.3J reading on the same AEG, unmodified between readings. I've even had one site where we were organizing a private WW2 event, and the site's marshall read the J/cm^2 value instead of the normal reading, and ended up trying to ban more than 75% of the replica's we brought that day. The guy didn't even think that such a high number of failed readings may have been his fault instead of ours...

[@rogerborg]

@@dolovo_gaming3081 That sounds sensible. I'd love to see more consistency in the UK, and we definitely need upper limits on BB mass. When you get to 0.4g and above, it becomes harder and harder to support the claim that what you're shooting is actually plastic, since it needs so much dense material in there (minerals and ceramics) to get the mass up.

[@dolovo_gaming3081]

@@rogerborg here every bb has to be bio degradable and above .40s it becomes less and less biodegradable. They also did it so there is less joule creep for dmrs and basr

[@Lozart]

Just say no, Zammo.

[@hkhops1504]

This how I chronod at the field I operated. Field limit is 1.5J, and Id have they players bring their ammo they would plan on using to ensure I got an accurate Joule reading. Never had anybody "shooting hot."

[@robfarmer5735]

Only place I've come across this, is playing the UK National Airsoft Festival, they make everyone chrono on their 0.2g ammo, crazy things could be occurring ... Thanks for the information

[@vladneacsu]

I live in fucking Romania and every site chronos based on your BBs' weight. The guy asks what weight you're running and adjusts the chrono. It's that simple.

[@Jurnskii]

Weighing ammo is overkill but everything else you said is bang on

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Until you get thr guy who has .32g and says it's. 25g which happened. People are dicks

[@ghostwalkerairsofttech1947]

I rem that exact thing happened to me at a milsim. I just laughed at them and said...perhaps if you let me chrono using the ammo I intend to use you will get correct readings...riding a ford pinto with a V12 in it doesnt make it a corvette.

[@siwartsteensma3939]

Netherlands everything that can use auto needs to chrome max 1.2 joules at .30 bb. Dmr have heavier standard bb and different joules.

[@sc00bieskylin34]

I don't want no cheap assed BB in my rif's, we went to one when we started airsoft again and they were making you put their .2s in your rif to chrono.....alot wiser now and haven't been back since.

[@unity3938]

I thought people knew this like 15 years ago. Heaver bbs accelerate slower and absorb more energy in the barrel. Same shit goes for chronoing with the hop off, you'll get a lower reading. I can't believe it's still happening.

[@Arjen511]

Good thing we chrono based on joules in the Netherlands with the max allowed bb weight per class.

[@dawidlijewski5105]

On the other hand, rifles with crap volume-barrel-bb weight ratios (such as M16, RPK) can be hurt with chronoing with 0.2g as they tend to lose some muzzle energy by using target heavier bbs. I would call it "negative joule creep".

[@MGlBlaze]

A little bit of basic physics literacy (Is that the right word for this?) would go a long way for people who do any kind of chronograph testing. E=½mv². Energy (in Joules) is half the mass multiplied by the square of the velocity. If you double the mass you double the energy; if you double the velocity the energy instead goes up by four times. And the chart misuse you described is pretty infuriating. Like, the places online I've seen those charts specifically says they are *not conversion charts.* It's just a quick reference chart with the joule values precalculated for the matching velocity and mass values. You can't just take a reading on one bb weight and then just shift over on the chart to a different weight or velocity that hasn't actually been measured and get a meaningful joule number, that isn't how those charts work, argh- And as you bring up, the opposite mistake can just end up being dangerous. What muzzle energy a gun gets on 0.2s is VERY different to what it will get on a 0.3 or 0.4.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

It's infuriating when people chrono on .2g & give site limits in fps on a .2g assumption. Ghtx34~1³x a over B Maths means fuck all I you don't understand... I can speak three languages, doesn't mean shit if the person I'm talking to doesn't speak those three languages. I simplify because (like me) airsofters are as thick as what maths/science folk are full of. Xx

[@TheShamanizer]

Haha, I just posted very similar to this with the formula then found this post from 3 months ago. I even think you explained it better for a layman than I did 😂

[@Debbiebabe69]

the problem with that formula, it assumes ALL of the energy of the spring is transferred into the BB when you shoot. The spring itself, the barrel, air seals, the hop, and other internals all ghoul energy from the spring when you fire. And they all ghoul the same amount of energy whether you are shooting a .2 or a .43 bb.

[@mrbonecardiff6334]

Amen to this luke 🙌

[@sean123h]

It's also dangerous for players if they measure 0.2gs. Nailed on there's going to be that one guy that thinks they are an airsoft legend that always goes and has "the best gun" who chrono their sniper at 500fps on 0.2g, then plays with 0.5g knowing full well it's over the joule limit but shows off about how its because they have spent £1000 on upgrades when people say it hits like a brick.

[@Micsmit_45]

I had to fight my old team tooth and nail to not have them chrono on .2s when they first started holding larger events with outsiders. They eventually understood and the topic was never brought up again.

[@Revan638]

in my feld and i think on every feld in germany that they ask you for you bb weight and crono acording to it your bb weight

[@Tinblitz]

Admittedly, I am not very smart, so this video will go on the list of "Videos to watch over and over until I understand them" with the "Why 11.1 LiPos?" video, but one thing that did surprise me was that some sites will actually say "Your FPS is too LOW"? I think I understand why I'm starting to see so many more injuries on social media caused by hot guns.

[@dylangregory4161]

On the flip side, please do not exploit joule creep to sneak in higher powered RIFs than are allowed. It ruins the game and just makes it less fun for eneryone.

[@bumsausage5791]

C Marriott

[@abc121xyz]

my exact scenario in Argentina, DMR, on .45 I get 2.3J on .2 I get 1.3J, and the guy in the field ask me "you want to be assault?", no! mate, I'll make some body bleed!, the funny thing is that there are for sure players that are way over the limit and "legal"

[@jmjm1239]

You're so F..... right Man

[@johnfoulkes-williams8742]

Just say no A good patch idea right there.

[@jorgeemidio7507]

I got the feeling you just started a war among some fields 😂

[@andrewbellamy2095]

This is just why I only watch this shit and no other channel. Totally above my head and absolutely right. Such a load of bollox out there.

[@jamesnicol5659]

I made the mistake when i went bolty. Set it to 500fps on .2s but when i chnaged to .4s i was hitting over 3js.... love me some joule creep. Chrono should always be done BB that the Rif has been set up on.

[@AdamHoy81]

Thanks for the info and vid mate, keep up the great work 👍

[@riaanbritz1196]

Insightful as always!

[@rickybradd5415]

If you know you know and I couldn't agree more the times I've had to check bolt action for joule creep is insane even hpa set-ups need checking

[@robsorgdrager8477]

Crossfire here in the states asks when you go to Chrono " what weight do you run ? " and you tell them " 3.0 ' s " they pull out a chart and see what your gun should measure. Then they plop three rounds through and see if you meet the chart number. If your hot they will do some math and try a different weight. If that don't work they tell you " your a dmr and have a minimum engagement of 100 ft or you can use a rental " . I've had a m4 with a colored tassel to indicate my distance. I find that all fair and honest.

[@simonsurvives]

THANK YOU!. This fucking stupid habbit of not testing what the customer is using needs to stop, why would you take the time to tune and build something that's specificially deisgned for X weight, but then test it on .2? who plays with .2?

[@shotbymiles]

Stop breaking it! 🤣 DO NOT SHOOT .2's ;)

[@goosetip]

i want to buy an m4, which one would you recommend?

[@Carsonsimon]

Skylar always chrono's with .20 with his sniper to make sure its 500fps. Before he heads back to the safe zone and load up with .66 ceramics...

[@iota515]

Good video, didnt know Joules can be so tricky

[@ReepS506]

local sites try and pull this shit

[@firstnamenonapplicable5138]

Its weird using joules for force but fps for velocity, prolly should stop mixing metric and imperial

[@jaysonsladen9756]

I think back when this old way of chronoing became the way every site did it, lucky VSR’s were fed .29 SGM’s, and it didn’t make too much difference. Over the years heavy, cheap ammo has proliferated, and little Jonny is able to spam .40 out of his EPM1/Wolverine wanker combo, at 1.5 to 2 J, under the radar at most sites. Is it that the sites are too lazy and/or ignorant to do anything about it? I see Anzio get a lot of fingers pointed at them for this, but I have to say they seem to have a de-facto 324fps limit on a .20, which kind of works in a very clumsy way?

[@r4fken]

The more time a projectile has to be accelerated the greater the energy. Its the dwell time in the barrel.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

I hear that that heavy ammo in the barrel on HPA will gain joules once it leaves the barrel....

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

A site was & still is saying that...

[@painite4502]

lol

[@r4fken]

@@NegativeAirsoftTech I'll have what he's having!

[@rogerborg]

_If_ it's over-volumed, as many guns are.

[@JedociderShou]

My chrono is still a sardine can 💀

[@MrDeeJayBee69]

Roland sold me drugs

[@fubene5495]

Hello Mr Luke, i have noticed that you are modding the tappet plate, didnt notice that in older videos, would be great a little explanation on why you are doing that right now, timming i suppose... but why on a single sector gear? Tiny little vid with some wise words??? ^^

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

I'm very wise

[@stu600cc]

Airsoft plantation just set chrono to .2 and as long as fps is at the equivalent for the weight. It works

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

Is that the one in Essex?

[@stu600cc]

Yes mate 👍

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

@@stu600cc I'd accept this... it means people from Essex attend. Need to account for them.

[@stu600cc]

@@NegativeAirsoftTech 😂😂😂 I’d have to agree even though I am from Essex. 😂

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

@@stu600cc sorry. I. Will. Talk. Slowly.

[@adamcolville2057]

I’ve gave up trying to make people understand this 😂

[@ridethenorthwest5853]

Went to a site the other day, and they told me I couldn't use 0.28g bbs in my pistol as it's illegal unless I could chrono under 249fps 😂

[@ringmastermodels]

Please name and shame so my pistol loving ass knows not to go

[@gabecollins5585]

Unless you’re indoors you probably shouldn’t use 0.2. Indoors 0.2 is alright.

[@magaz]

I think I this is proof that .12’s are the way to go.

[@johndoe9627]

I 'sort of' get it. Bit of an older bloke here, and back in my day, it was chrono on a .2, read the FPS. Run a .25 if you want. Now people talk about joules and i'm still getting my head round it. Thing is, if you love the site, love the people that go there... but they insist on using the .2 or .25 FPS chrono thingy... what are you meant to do? I'd personally love to run .28's in my pistols, maybe a little higher but, hey ho.

[@charlie91757]

reading site only cronos hpa the marshal and owner told me they dont bother unless they feel they need to check , they checked one guy he drew blood from over 30m away , one marshal told me he was slightly over another told me he was under and i saw the guy pull a mag out of a a packet and didn't test the ones he was using in game tho

[@SBUafroNinja]

Nice I use that same chart

[@lewisgiggidy]

Reason this happens is because uk law is garbage an doesn't allow airsoft sites to make rules for them selves because the power limits are so low alot of the times you cant even feel been shot. By doing it on .2s its a get around to make the game better thus bringing in more customers, less complaining. this making a better site. I play in sweden an the sniper is 4j and full auto is 1.88. Way better gameplay an more immersive. Less idiots, less complaining better game.

[@mpoT3CHY]

psst we secretly know Luke swapped springs 👀👀 look at that editing! black magic! 🧙🔎

[@mpoT3CHY]

*gotta clarify my comment is satire so old man Luke doesn’t get confused

[@LAMBDRIX]

Can I say NO and Add BUM SAUSAGE Too? 😅😂👍

[@slifer967]

The amount if fucking times i have to explain this to people on gbbrs is insane. NAF was shit for it. I was running a dmr spec tm mtr. 370mm 6.00mm on green gas. Chronoed on a .2 at about 425ish at about 15c Now can you guess what happened when i dropped.43s in it and the tempts climbed to 25c+? 😂😂😂

[@jailer75]

This is why there needs to be a governing body for airsoft in the UK. Standardised sites. Standardised rules

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

I disagree, that will become a group making rules to suit themselves & muscle out others - we have that already. Plus, not having one keeps airsoft under the radar of Karens

[@madmaxmxp7811]

And government intervention on asswiping pls. Like, imagine someone wiping from back to front. But serious... We don't need Governments sticking their heads into everything

[@jailer75]

@madmaxmxp7811 I didn't say government. I said governing body.

[@rogerborg]

@@NegativeAirsoftTech However, you've just pointed out the problem of sites still chronoing like it's 1999. It'd be nice to have a consistent set of rules that represent _most_ sites, to help spot the outliers who know better.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

@@rogerborg start with saying no

[@kennethsibson6449]

I struggle to understand the problem with this nobody playing outside uses a 0.2 bb you should know the fps/joules limit for the ammo your using and set your platform slightly under to allow for the weather the amount of people i see moaning the there 10 and 20 fps over

[@BanicaEater]

Mr. Negative, is this by any chance a DoubleBell VSR-10 , I have one at home and I don't know if all after market parts are compatible with it, as several people told me they weren't.

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

TM

[@legogaming6585]

I have attempted to explain this to so many fucking people, its unbelievable. But they refuse to believe me. The only time i chrono ANY of my guns on a .2, is when the stupid cqb arena i go to from time to time, requires the use of a .2g bb for chrono, and its 350fps maximum for AEGs, 330fps maximum, for HPA. Luckily all of my guns are either HPA or have readily changable springs. But even they have stopped turning the hop up off, as they understand that it fucks with peoples guns, and then they have to waste time attempting to reset the hop to where it was at, causing slowdowns between the games. Its so fucking annoying having to chrono on a .2, even though my gun is set up to run a minimum of .36s.

[@fordham366]

Why didn't you so the industrial thing, 242 for front 242

[@NegativeAirsoftTech]

A what now?