Mega results as Fiesta st gets water methanol injection.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

I didn't notice until later but the coolant temps were consistently 3 degrees cooler than my previous logs and my airflow was at the highest its ever been.

[@jonathanhammond3748]

Great video Steve. I'm an absolute novice so its a pleasure to watch your work and to listen to your views. Brilliant stuff!

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thanks jon

[@autoflockmotorsport7730]

Another very informative video and great viewing. Really enjoyed it and looking forward to seeing how the power is affected once monitored on the dyno. Keep up the good work

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thanks raj

[@AdamWebb1982]

Ive always wanted to do this... and then you do these videos. Making my itch stronger.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Haha. Iv been thinking about it for a long time too but didn't have the knowledge to go for it.

[@bluenotesmiley]

Big respect to you buddy! Just caught up on your videos. I unfortunately had a similar issue with my engine. Melted a hole in piston 1. Love the EBC day, well deserved! Very envious.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thank you. Is your car a fiesta?a hole is pretty special fair play.

[@bluenotesmiley]

@@Sparkplugsteve yep, an ST180, as you have. Is running around 240 currently. I opted to fix the engine as opposed to swap so I’m going forged bottom end and will just stick a bigger turbo on in the new year.

[@samcook7046]

You should get a club sport false floor and a roll cage look mint

[@paulfocus23]

Be interesting to see the egt’s, see exactly how much difference the kit is making.

[@dannylad2285]

I'm running this wmi kit on my focus ST I gained 22bhp with a 50/50 mix with revo stage 4+ Currently using the 250cc v3 but Will soon be trying the 500cc nozzle, I've got mine in the hotside intercooler pipe so it charge cools my intercooler also. Jennychem sell decent methanol and deionized water at a very decent price.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

That's a really good result. Someone did mention them as a methanol supplier so I'm going to order some.

[@bigeater1310]

Dannylad what power are you currently at?

[@dannylad2285]

@@bigeater1310 588bhp & 700nm atm

[@bigeater1310]

@@dannylad2285 nice! I'll keep my 250cc nozzle in then as I'm a bit less lol. Everyone kept telling me 250 was too small and I needed to run the 500

[@dannylad2285]

@Bradders1 it's abit hit and miss, I've learnt I gained more timing going to a 500cc which is obvious but I use ALOT more water meth.. I ran a 1000cc it was awesome but it would slip my clutch with no tuning 🤣. 250cc 50/50 is decent to around 500bhp imo. Depending on boost and nozzle location tbf

[@JimBrodie]

Sounds like an old Indesit easing up to spin cycle, hope the replacement helps get your egt's down more.

[@steveguest8028]

So the PCM automatically adds more advance to the ignition due to not sensing knock ? Great video btw 👍

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It depends on the map has been setup. Some tuners choose not to add anymore ignition once they find the knock threshold while mapping. If this is done then no more ignition can be added. But if they have allowed for more ignition the ecu will advance timing with water methanol

[@abrahambanda7156]

Hello, excellent video, is it recommended that the kit is always on?

[@Ash-ki8ok]

Great video again Steve, seems like it’s all positive really even when not chasing power

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Yes I'm very happy with the result so far.. Thank you.

[@fordyford]

Elllooooooo Steeeeve. Good install. I am keen to see how much water/meth pools in that lower part of the boost pipe. It squirts out a lot of liquid and I wonder just how much will settle on the pipe and collect.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Hopefully nothing pool's. 😱 It should all evaporate into the charge air provided I don't squirt too much.

[@fordyford]

@@Sparkplugsteve that's what she said. Good luck with it. I hope you get good consistency from it and no issues 👍.

[@autoSRI]

The amount of hot air that’s passing through it will evaporate it pretty much instantly so you won’t get pooling

[@coyote5735]

Wouldn't it be a better idea to have the injector firing with the flow of the air stream, it's not very efficient firing straight into the wall of the air tube? You need the nozzle injecting parallel to the airflow to give a more even distribution and atomisation.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Maybe yes but how do you do that? If the injector protruded into the pipe it would also cause massive flow disruption I would guess. If you watch aem video on KZbin they have a clear tube and you can see the flow doesn't blow at the edge if the pipe as the flow is just too fast. But yes there's probably a better way if doing it. I'm just not sure how.

[@coyote5735]

@@Sparkplugsteve You could do a compromise tilt the injector at an angle as shallow as possible or a fine tube bent at 90 degrees you could experiment positioning with or against the flow of air, I don't think it would interfere with the air flow volume. Ideally, it must be desirable to have a uniform distribution of water per volume of air, good mixing in other words. I'm sure you are more than capable of coming up with various designs, it's a shame I can't draw on here.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Watch the aem video and it's works just fine really. I'm not getting into changing it now. If it's not broke don't fix it. 😁

[@coyote5735]

@@Sparkplugsteve OK, best of luck.

[@dannbaker]

I think that was the best way to do it, obviously want it on the cold side so the intercooler takes most of the heat out of the charged air and then the water/meth after to take a bit more heat out. After the sensor makes sense if it kills them, ideally you would have another temperature sensor after the water/meth so you can see the drop in temperature from after the intercooler to after the water/meth injection to get an idea of how well its working. Also as you did keeping it away from the throttle body allows it to mix with the air and get a better mixture into the cylinders.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It's been a steep learning curve but hopefully iv done the right thing.

[@dannbaker]

@@Sparkplugsteve I would say your way was the correct way

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@dannbaker thanks Daniel. I'm really happy with the result I had so far.

[@raebirch540]

You should try straight methanol it evaporates immediately at post intercooler temps where water might not

[@autoSRI]

Try it further from the iat sensor closer to the inter cooler you should have plenty of time for it to evaporate as your not spraying that much I run it on my bmw and it quite possible to see the intake temps below ambient temp on a 50/50 mix

[@andybrace4983]

Well done pal

[@mickiedean4506]

U are a god send Steve! Ur vidios are grait 👍💪

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Thank you. What car you fitting methanol too?

[@ep3civictrackslag778]

I was told I would lose power on my mini when I fitted this kit but actually without any map tweaks gained hp and torque and had amazingly good inlet temps. It was needed badly especially When sat in queues of cars going round donny

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It's one of those mods that most people know the least about I think. Me including as I knew almost nothing a few weeks ago and it's been a steep learning curve. But I'm so glad I did it now.

[@Themootubersmetaldetecting]

Can I ask where you got the threaded adapter you had welded to the pipe?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Cooling mist website.

[@Themootubersmetaldetecting]

@@Sparkplugsteve Thanks

[@Rust_valley_adventures]

Engineering place over trealaw does tig welding.. 👍

[@andyrichards3349]

oh wow i didnt think it would make that much difference just on water alone , i had always thought yu had to have your map adjusted to take the water meth mix , but if just water maks that much difference then think iam gonna give it a go ,

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Impressive isn't it. 😁

[@andyrichards3349]

@@Sparkplugsteve yeh defo , i am running the x47r atm with 345hp so recon it will benefit from the extra cooling ,

[@jessed6129]

What software/tool are you using to pull logs onto your laptop? Thanks

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Forscan

[@jessed6129]

@@Sparkplugsteve cheers!

[@beachamgroup2482]

Nice job

[@kieranmclelland987]

Can I ask what seat are you running and is it a wide seat??

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Motomec evo 2. Its a medium width

[@turbocharged9906]

You want log EGT's and ignition advance to see how they're reacting

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Egts are a calculated algorithm so useless I was told 🤷‍♂️but I have been monitoring them.

[@turbocharged9906]

@@Sparkplugsteve who told you that? The stock widebands measure cat temps which will give you accurate temp readings, if they didnt, Ford wouldnt implement them.

[@Sparkplugsteve]

@@turbocharged9906 I asked in Facebook and the replies were from tunas. Apparently they can manipulate them to read whatever temps the want once tuned. But i guess if you know your tuner hasnt fiddled them then yes they can work. But I don't know the full scoop so that's just a it of what I remember

[@roguetrooper1000]

Check out mjp performance video came out 2 days ago shows you a rs engine carboned up and another rs using water/methanol mix for about 2k there clean as a whistle

[@avgoustinoskourides7951]

Egt temps ?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

600s off memory

[@RS_Rowe]

Can’t believe how noisy that pump is! 😂

[@Sparkplugsteve]

It's crying in pain.

[@Waterlego]

Why’s the throttle body spacer a bad place for the injector?

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Apparently the water methanol doesnt have enough time to evaporate and evenly distribute between all 4 cylinders. I think that's the reason but I'm still learning here 😁

[@Waterlego]

@@Sparkplugsteve right I see. I only ask cuz I’ve seen those spacers so just presumed that’s how it was done. I’ve always fancied fitting one of these kits, just never knew how much you’d get through on a trackday. Couldn’t be arsed with the idea of taking a barrel of water meth as well as all my petrol and tools and that. I’ll be well interested to see how ya get on when you take it on track 🧐👍🏼

[@rowanlewisuk]

Sounds and looks like a window cleaning pump

[@Sparkplugsteve]

Pretty much they are just a 200psi pump and the head is different. The run full time and just bypass flow in the head when needed.

[@richardmontgomery474]

MJ performance in Plymouth have a KZbin channel and are Experienced in meth installs if you need some guidance

[@anthonytessier1324]

Cool 👍🇫🇷