#02: Why is everything we know about Muhammad & the Qur'an so late?

According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad died in 632 AD. Much of the information regarding the life of the prophet comes from his biography called the 'Sira', supposedly written by Ibn Hisham (d.833 AD), as well as his sayings called the 'Hadith', initially written by Al Bukhari (d.870 AD).
From these dates (833 AD and 870 AD) it is obvious that both of these men did not know Muhammad at all, nor were they even living in the same century as him, as they lived and worked over 200 years after he died.
Even the caliph Abd al-Malik, credited by Dr Shoemaker for writing down the first Qur'anic material we have access to lived 60 years after Muhammad.
What this means is that there are actually no eyewitness accounts of Muhammad’s life, or of his sayings. No one was actually there who saw what he did, or heard what he said.
All of these three men who are credited for creating the basis for what we now call Islam today lived 100s of years after the events they wrote about, and hundreds of miles further north.
Consequently, everything they knew and everything they wrote down was dependent on Oral Tradition, which is nothing more than "Word-of-mouth".
Basically, this means that someone told so-and-so what they believed happened, and then he told another so-and-so, who told another so-and-so, who finally wrote down what he believed he was told, picking and choosing what he did not like, and retaining that which he did like, so that what we have today is nothing more than what had been filtered, changed and manipulated into the story Muslims follow.
How then can any of their accounts be counted as credible, having been censored for over 200 years?
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[@fohponomalama5065]

There are a plethora of critics who attack the accuracy and validity of the Bible, but none who attack the Koran. Why? Because they’d love to keep their heads attached to their necks.

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

Exactly! You have summarized the entire conflict between the Christian Gospels (the Truth) and Islam (one of many lies) in a single sentence.

[@philipdouglas5911]

@@v1e1r1g1e1 The first of the Gospels was written within 30 years of the death of Jesus. The letters that we know that were written by Paul were even earlier. Why is Islam so reluctant to embrace historical - critical methods? It could give new insights. Islam like all of the major faiths needs to regularly reflect on its doctrine and teaching so that its message can connect with the world around it.

[@kb4432]

Here's the thing. Renowned Christian scholars have disputed the authenticity of the Gospel and say it can't be taken literally. That's quite damning by anyone's standards. Muslim Scholars, on the other hand, have an unshakeable and unbreakable belief in the validity and authenticity of the Quran and it's superiority to all the other books combined.

[@fohponomalama5065]

@@kb4432 Thank-you for proving my point.

[@kb4432]

@@fohponomalama5065 The point is, your p1ssing in the wind.

[@secondone5870]

Muslims in my country always ask for scientific historians who research Islamic history, ask for book titles, and even ask for peer reviews. So it's good if Jay and Al Fadi display the book title as a reference. Muslims also do not believe that Jay is a historian. Jay was accused of hating Islam, even atheists accused Jay of hating Islam. This means that Jay and Al Fadi have done a great job exposing Islam. GBU 🙏

[@sirunikunushik7735]

Book that calls "non-muslims the worst creatures and names jews lizards and apes and christians cowes, cattle, dogs and pigs. Black people are raisin heads and they were created from Adam's left shoulder and deserve to go hell first Women have brain deficiency and they are half of a men because they get menstrual period and moore.....delusional and nonsense" don't need haters, they need institution to figure out why allah hates his creations so much?

[@nitram46]

So if Muslims say Jay and Al Fadi "hate" religion . That is good ? Have you even read the Bible. This is your moral guide for religion ?

[@secondone5870]

@@nitram46 Are you muslim?

[@sirunikunushik7735]

@@nitram46 Your comment is confusing Did you watch the video? Did you read the first comment? He is a muslim looking for BOOKS to search about islamic history and scientific historians books. Nobody here talked about hate.

[@nitram46]

@@sirunikunushik7735 "Nobody here talked about hate." ?? Perhaps you missed the comment I responded to by @secondone5870 > " Jay was accused of hating Islam, even atheists accused Jay of hating Islam. This means that Jay and Al Fadi have done a great job exposing Islam."

[@123dsj123]

Muslims do not ask questions about their religion. Period! Mohammed died in 632 A.D. Nothing is written down about him - nothing about his personal angel (Jibril), his book (Quran), or his wives. Even the city called “Mecca” had not yet appeared on paper (or map) at the time of Mohammed’s death. In other words, History is completely blank (empty, void) in the sense that history has no written record on file about a man named “Mohammed”, his book called “Quran”, or his city called “Mecca” until after 200 years of Mohammed’s death.

[@brucemills6558]

Well isn't that just perfect. An empty canvas onto which an imagination can be poured out. Think about it: Louis L' Amour travelled the Midwest of the USA and wrote stories of Cowboys yet none of the people he wrote about or the events in his books actually existed even if the places did. Star Wars takes place where we can't go and people we can't meet because all those things are in the head of the writer as a fantasy construct. So too do the creative writers of the Standard Islamic Narrative who attribute geographical qualities of one area [ like Petra - west of the Jordan river with agriculture] to an area that has none of those features [like Mecca - in a desert with no agriculture]. 200 years later from writers living in modern day Iraq and even further north than that, the novel of a man of spiritual greatness, living in a place that doesn't make sense, and having encounters that mimic an existing set of known spiritual writings [ the Torah and the New Testament] to which these writers had access, is a bit coincidental in my opinion. But that is just my opinion looking at facts being presented that are plain to see if you have eyes to see and ears to hear.

[@123dsj123]

@@brucemills6558 Believe me - we hear you well and clearly. Human beings can create magic. They created Star Wars with imaginary characters and conflicts in imaginary places. They were also able to create Mohammed with imaginary angel and wives in an imaginary place.

[@linkwinmathego5109]

Quran is not written by one person, it is a collection of stories written by many over a period of time, and even includes fable stories like the flying carpet.

[@mohamadibrahimallapitchay2825]

Quran were memorised by heart by thousands of prophet Muhamad peace be upon him. No need for writing in real sense. Today millions memorise quran. We dont have to prove anything . You believe , you practice your believe. On the day of judgement we answer before god. Your answer you deeds , i will answer my deeds.

[@Kyrieleyison]

Muslims proudly bring up memorizing the koran. Since when is memorizing better that actual written scripture?

[@richardthornhill4630]

Truth exposes all lies but not all men desire to know The Truth.

[@stygrace1530]

Who hates the truth= Satan and his followers

[@trustmebrobro]

Is the truth, man is god?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

That's what the Christians are doing. They refused to know the Truth. They are contented with False. -11-22-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

That's what the Christians are doing. They refused to know the Truth. They are contented with False. -11-22-23

[@therock6251]

Sir do episodes with Adam seeker as an Indian it's very important us to know the real history of Islam!!

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

Mr.Seeker is debating the traditional Islamic source, just as Sam, David or CP.. etc are doing.. but what Dr.Jay has the real evidence of Islamic history. and that's a different story..

[@urbandsouza7279]

​@ASHORSHEMAYA both in same mission

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

@@urbandsouza7279 and they are doing great job, each one from his own position

[@urbandsouza7279]

Why u interested

[@AJGAR.JURRAT]

They have already done one episode together. Go check it.

[@drummersagainstitk]

In these times, your work is even more important.

[@josephmagil1149]

You men are doing wonderful work. Thank you.

[@Stardust475]

Jay's presentation and slides with short summaries of the issues are the best apologetics on this platform

[@nitram46]

I think you need a dictionary. An 'apologist' DEFENDS a religion. NOT attack another religion.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@nitram46 I think you need a grammar book

[@nitram46]

Thanks for your input. Your 'Veritatis' still has no 'Splendor'. Clearly you did not check before you commented. A typical error of a juvenile living in his mom's cellar. Hint= use the web browser thingy first. You can avoid looking ignorant. apologist /ə-pŏl′ə-jĭst/ noun = A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution. One who speaks or writes in defense of anything; one who champions a person or a cause, whether in public address or by literary means; one who makes an apology or defense. Specifically Eccles., a defender of Christianity; in particular, one of the authors of the early Christian apologies.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@nitram46 Clearly you don't know the difference between an issue of grammar and an issue of definitions. Put the crack pipe down, boy.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@indigatorveritatis8891 ......... By Martin's explanation and clarification and elucidation, I would not be surprised if you become Indignant Veritatis. -11-05-23

[@ASHORSHEMAYA]

Dr. Jay i really can't wait to see a book that you put all these things together.. much respect.

[@daspoohmunich7235]

this program is eye opening the truth is very clearly explained 👏

[@sheikhboyardee556]

Some more great information. What I really like is the easy to understand graphics on the Power Point slides. Good job.

[@hebrews1112]

The book is a great historical source!!! As an amateur I have to read every chapter twice before I really understand it. But it completely destroys the Standard Islamic Narative about the creation of the Qur'ans.

[@mralchemist3976]

It's not. . Poor u believe in liars

[@hebrews1112]

@@mralchemist3976 Dude, his sources are the ISLAMIC sources about the Qur'ans!! You can believe the Standard Islamic Narrative, but you have no historical proof to back it up. Even sheikh Yassir Qadhi admits that!

[@annemurphy9339]

Excellent work!

[@Wise007Man]

excellent episode straight to the "CORE" issue, well done getting there

[@samuelflores1419]

God bless you both and your ministry! They need to know the Truth about SIN! The Truth Shall Set You Free, Yes Free Indeed! To God be All the Glory!

[@peterjs007]

I've been quite interested in this topic since I read Robert Spencer's book 'Did Muhammad exist'. The slide in this video is quite informative.

[@oswaldmattos8479]

Excellent episode, eagerly awaiting the next one.

[@hextoken]

Wonderful insights Jay

[@ge7167]

Thanks to God for these researchers and what in the world is going on with the Quran. It should be known on the account of history and should be acknowledged as heretical sect also it should be rejected.

[@augustinep6193]

Good work, PfanderFilms.

[@brucemills6558]

What is fascinating to me is how does a person who has the veil lifted and now can see and hear the truth do with that revelation? Do they stoically cling to something knowing it is untrue and adhere to everything they have been taught since a child? Do they face the facts and walk away perhaps a little sad but so relieved that they can now live outside of a lie and rebuild their faith in God and Humanity? Remember, I was was a staunch Evolutionary science believer from childhood and then I had a powerful spiritual confrontation that challenged everything I had been taught. It took me 12 years of searching and study among all the faiths to find the truth I knew I could trust for the answers. That truth rests in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father. There is hope of redemption for everyone. Keep seeking the truth. Dr Jay and Al-Fahdi - keep speaking and revealing the truth.

[@samuelflores1419]

Amen brother!

[@julietabraham476]

A lie repeatedly told over and over again for hundreds of years becomes a REALITY...and that's the 1400 year old story.

[@istina2325]

​​@@julietabraham476Yes, yes.... Quran 19,30 - Matthew 12,18.

[@julietabraham476]

@@istina2325 Yes that's the parallel the Quran took from Matthew...good observation.

[@istina2325]

​@@julietabraham476 John 14,1. John 9,5. John 17,3. John 20,17. 1 Corinthians 15,28. Jesus is not God.

[@hzoonka4203]

Very interesting!

[@ashkilgour669]

Another great video from you.

[@fantasia55]

I like these bite-size video lessons.

[@xavierbesnard9201]

Thanks !

[@HJEvan]

I have started using this information (or parts of it) almost exclusively when dealing with Musilms doing dawah. Islam is supposed to be Muhammad's religion, but if Muhammad isn't getting the 'final say' with respect to the life of Muhammad and grading of haddith, then it's really a religion of the men who did that process, not Muhammad. Hence, one of Islam's main tennents is impossible. It's impossible to make Muhammad the example, when we don't know what Muhammad endorses. Instead, Muslims just pretend they know what Muhammad would have endorsed. That's not what they say. They claim to know, or hope to know, exactly what Muhammad endorsed.

[@chucke9718]

Proving Jesus is the God of Islam ) Quran -Al-Baqarah 2:253 ) To Jesus, son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit ( . Ali 'Imran 3:55 ) Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you and raise you up to Myself ) = Jesus was Given the Holy Spirt Allah Raised Jesus to himself where he is in Allahs Glory Inside Allah till the Judgement Day where He Jesus will Return & judge the World ) And you have 1. Allah 2. Jesus 3. the Holy Spirt ) The Trinity all 3 Together as 1 Till the Judgement Day + Jesus is Allahs Partner Muslims say how can 3 be 1 well Proven in IIslam 😁 Jesus is the Word of Allah Making Jesus the Word of the Quran Check me on it All I Copied & Pasted Straight from the Quran with the Verse i Used here & i have the Tafsir about Jesus in Allahs Glory Reply

[@Margatatials]

Brilliant point

[@hufun3789]

​@@chucke9718funny you just take word by word literally from Qur'an and then used your assumptions that what you understand and you believed same with Trinity but you wrong that verse explained God (Allah) lift up Jesus to heaven soo prophet Muhammad SAW will come to bring light to world

[@hufun3789]

​@@chucke9718Did you know your Bible talk about Prophet Muhammad and praise him as (to make peace with anyone) and stated Mohammad bring true religion. (3) to make peace with any one (Arab.); followed by Josh. followed by Deut. but followed by to submit oneself by a treaty of peace, Josh. 11:19 to submit oneself to the dominion of any one; specially to commit one's affairs to God; followed by; whence„ obedience or submission to God and to Mahomet; hence true religion, meaning Mehometanism).

[@DRYeisleysCreations]

@@hufun3789 The Bible does not talk about Muhammed at all. That's a bald faced lie.

[@leedza]

If Islam was treated with the same litmus test as Christianity it wouldn't have no chance.

[@Jin-dc7gl]

It is only with the advent of the Internet that Islam is now being questioned and critically examined. But a big hurdle in the way of objective scrutiny is the presence of apostasy laws in Islamic countries.

[@leedza]

@@Jin-dc7gl It's not just apostasy laws, even in liberal countries, Muslims are taught not question anything and they have to believe whatever the Imams and Muftis tell them. It's almost like Jews, they categorically are told not to research the claims of Christians of Jesus as the Messiah. To the point that Isaiah 53 is censored in some cases.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@leedza ............. Before the Christians are not allowed to read the Bible. It's only now that the priests allowed you to read it.

[@tonyclack5901]

I cannot remember stories my grandmother told me 40 years ago. So 200 years. I have no information about my family longer than60 years ago and my children have no memory of their grandparents.

[@janeryfernandes2592]

Great br Jay exposing quran Muhammed a great saving human kind through Jesus the god amen

[@ucapsalam]

As for those who disbelieve and deny Our signs, they are the residents of the Hellfire. Al Ma'idah 10

[@sirunikunushik7735]

Quran 98:6 Allah's prophet said the people of the book jews and christians and mushrikun who don't believe islam and Mohammad are the worst of creatures and deserve fire of hell. Wow! allah calls his creation the worst creatures, worse than dogs lowest than pigs.

[@Wordworshipwonders360]

I know it's difficult for you to find out what you've been taught and believed all your life is a lie. This knowledge isn't new, but many have been afraid to discuss it and confront it because of the fear of being killed. Islam has only spread through intimidation, fear and violence.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@Wordworshipwonders360 ........ There is not a single mention of Sword in the Qur'an. But in the Bible it abounds.

[@aleksakovacevic3350]

@@defenderoftruth3212 the Quran and your tafsir literally talk about the rules in which it is okay to “spread”your “religion” but please remain ignorant of the fact the entire Muslim world up until today would most likely not be Muslim unless hey had no choose

[@aleksakovacevic3350]

@@defenderoftruth3212and show me where the sword is in the bible

[@partthasaratthynelaitambi3505]

Before Islam.. Crises and Chaos with many identities After Islam... Crises and Chaos with a Single Identity

[@22leggedsasquatch]

Incredible that people can believe it.

[@sidshri6080]

Jay and AlFadi, you are doing a phenomenal job and the shoemaker academic book is what AI of the future will take into account when answering questions on Islam. Also, please write articles and blogs and then compile a book, which will live and read forever in this digital world. Atleast it will stop conversions of innocents to this barbaric cult. Dr. ZAKIRNAIK only shows the soft Mecca version, but not the Medina version of prophets attacks and slaughter once he got into power. #Godspeed to you. How can we help brother? #GreatlyAppreciate, you are a noble soul. While others retire, you're just getting started ❤ Also, please invite #DavidWood @Acts17David

[@hichamboulos1155]

Will you be rerunning all the old episodes?

[@22leggedsasquatch]

You should make a video with David Wood.

[@estring69]

Is there a timeline of the early references to the Bible texts? I have heard that the text can be reproduced from other’s references? Within the first 300 years?

[@johnlee7699]

💯 Basically, the writings of the early Church Fathers and the disciples of the Apostles have quotes that are almost identical to the verses we have in the New Testament.

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[@estring69]

Yeah right. I just think it would be use to see and refer to when someone asks for an original that does not exist anywhere for anything... B,K, ancient anything.

[@user-fd6tw2rw8z]

It is too late and from too far

[@RJ-fg8kw]

The mask or, dare I say, the veil is coming off bit by bit. I hope everyone is enjoying it as much as I am.

[@josephandrews6493]

I love what they are doing but it becomes more clear when you watch red torah and thomas alexander

[@kimariokelvin]

Can you kindly share a video link of this Red torah as I have tried to search it and I couldnt find it.

[@eyeinthesky888]

John 8:12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

[@tommyrotton9468]

The pattern I don't understand is why the Abbasids created more than 1 Quran and then more than 1 books of Hadith? I can understand how and why they created Islam to give them the right of god to rule, then why they would demand there is only one believe it or die. But with multiple Qurans and sets of Hadith it is like they totally lost control of the franchise?

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[@satanofficial3902]

"Once you go full Nummy Muffin Coocol Butter, you never go back." ---Albert Einstein

[@solelysoul8543]

From the frying pan into the. This is for anyone contemplating conversion from Christianity to Islam or vice versa.

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[@theoarsman1]

Why did they delete Ibn Ishaq.

[@thomassutrina8296]

Seems that the War in Gaza is timely. For you and the others have built a foundation of knowledge. Now it needs to be employed. A) Israel is stuck with Gaza , and none of the Muslim nation with common interest with Israel want Gaza or the West Bank to be a terrorist cesspool. B) Saudi apparent king needs to reform Islam to shift it's economy off the dependence of oil. C) Egypt has a chronic problem with the “Muslim Brotherhood,” Hamas is an offspring. The interest of Egypt in reforming was best stated on New Years 2015. Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called for a “religious revolution” in Islam that would displace violent jihad from the center of Muslim discourse. “Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims worldwide) should want to kill the rest of the world’s population-that is, 7 billion people-so that they themselves may live?” he asked. “Impossible.” “The corpus of texts and ideas that we have made sacred over the years, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. You cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You must step outside yourselves and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.” Speaking to an audience of religious scholars in Al-Azhar University in Cairo celebrating the birth of Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, he called on the religious establishment to lead the fight for moderation in the Muslim world. “You imams (prayer leaders) are responsible before Allah. The entire world-I say it again, the entire world-is waiting for your next move because this umma (a word that can refer either to the Egyptian nation or the entire Muslim world) is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost-and it is being lost by our own hands.” D) Saudi and Egypt need to help themselves and the region. Start educating the citizens of Gaza and the West Bank about why Islam is the most violent religion in the world and for what purpose. Gaza and the West Bank are great test bed with trapped populations. And the Israel's self interest is to eliminate this terrorist incubator. Israel, this war is going to create a vacuum of power that will be filled. Terrorist have filled it in the past, how about Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Israel all with historic ties to this area create a better filling. The citizens have been fed a constant diet right out of the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira hard core dehumanizing non-Muslims, Jews and Christians. Time is right because your efforts in speaking the truth is powerful.

[@WilliamSoto]

What about the oral traditions of Islam?

[@su-mu]

9:38

[@ayanamireizero]

You should ask who were those who ruled the middle east, were they involved in the creation of the quran, the other scripures and why?

[@jamietownsend1769]

Probably to counteract the Romans forced religion gor power and control of the worlf

[@garybowings1538]

"Alonzo Harris" worships three gods.

[@murielpucoe9213]

Please .... you and Alozo must stop spoiling the serious discussions. No one is interested in your jokes when when our attention is all in this educational talk.

[@hebrews1112]

😂

[@kb4432]

Don't forget Mary, some people say 4

[@samuelflores1419]

​@@paxChristi123Exactly the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of the Christians. allah the best of Deceivers, says it All.

[@deantsar6246]

Just proves that Allah does not exist. 🙏✝️

[@istina2325]

Read Mark 12,29 (arabic Bible).

[@Bro_Mike_Phil117]

This is Allah ➡️🕋

[@istina2325]

"Yes, Jesus proves that Allah does not exist" Mark 12,29 - John 14,1.(arabic Bible). John 17,3. John 20,17. 1.Corinthias 15,28.

[@istina2325]

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[@bananaegger]

Earlier Muslims called Mohammedans. Worshipper of Mohammed

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Why would anyone be reticent to inquire about the actual history of the "religion of peace"? That's the most difficult question I know of. Easier to understand quantum mechanics than why scholars haven't done much publishing about such a peaceful faith.

[@Billy1690-ws8jz]

It comes from Rome aka antichrist.

[@PleiadesChannel]

"Why is it so late." Because it's a fabrication.

[@thegardenranger]

But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him. But when Jesus heard it, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified thereby.

[@Repent4JesusChrist]

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[@Plenum78]

For my side..islam not really from god..its from Evil....thats it...

[@istina2325]

Quran 19,30 - Matthew 12,18. Mark 12,29 (arabic Bible). Isaiah 42,11.

[@istina2325]

Read more..... Jeremiah 48,10. Ezekiel 9,5-7. Numm. 31,17 - 18. Ezekiel 20,25-27. Hosea 13,6-8. 2.Kings2,23,24. Leviticus 26,29. Dauterenomy 28,53 - 2.Kings 6,25 - 30. Dauterenomy 22,28-29. Ezekiel 4,12 - Malachi 2,3. Jems 1,17 - Malachi 3,6. God or evil?

[@Plenum78]

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[@istina2325]

​@@Plenum78Dauterenomy 28,53 - 2.Kings 6,25 - 33. From God or evil?

[@ConditionallyUsed]

Summary of all videos Schumacher book says x, so it must be true. Let's spend 10 minutes to eventually say next video we will break it down more.

[@garybowings1538]

Apparently you're not paying attention.

[@DefenderOfChrist_]

Too late and too far away

[@migueliteux5061]

I read that the terrorists called their despicable attack the ‘deluge of Al Asqa’ because they claim some Jews allegedly went to the Al Asqua mosque to commemorate the Temple there. I always notice that the contention over the Temple Mount is always over Al Asqua as the site of the Temple. Apparently both sides now think the Temple was not under the dome of the rock but somewhere in the plaza in front of Al Asqua . My reading of some archeology there and ancient pilgrimage accounts to Jerusalem has lead me to believe that the rock under the dome wasn’t the foundation stone, but Gabbatha, the judgment seat of Pilate in the Praetorium in the fortress Antonia which overlooked the courts of the Temple. This hypothetical configuration of the Temple makes sense with the historical records like Josephus. Gabbatha then, in that location, also provides the context for the caliph Al Malik’s anti Christian inscriptions surrounding the rock inside the dome. The September cover story of the National Geographic reported that recent mosaic findings under the visible mosaics indicate that the first Umayyad caliph Muʿāwiya had initiated the construction of the dome of the rock which was later Islamisized by ʿAbd al-Malik. Muʿāwiya built other monuments on the Temple Mount during his reign and evidence points to him having been a Christian of some sort. The inscriptions inside the dome surrounding the rock made by caliph Al-Walid according to what is written in them but his father ʿAbd al-Malik may have actually initiated the inscriptions during his reign only to have been finished by his son Al-Walid. The ornate mosaics above the inscriptions are very similar to the ones in the Great Mosque of Damascus which lends support to the theory that Al-Walid had a part in their creation since he built the Damascus mosque over the ancient cathedral shrine housing the head of St. John the Baptist. That’s my theory at least.

[@tobyybdju7868]

Paso lo mismo que la biblia cristiana...

[@britanikothegreat8513]

PAHAYAG O APOCALIPSIS 22:18-19. MATEO 3:11. KAWIKAAN 30:4?!.6. ISAIAH 28:9?!. HEBREO 5:13. TURUAN MO ANG IYONG ANAK HABANG MAY PANAHON PA KUNG HINDI IKAW NA RIN ANG NAGTULAK SA PAGKAWASAK NIYA. KAWIKAAN 22:6. MY WAY. PSALMS 144:9. THERE IS A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHTEOUS TO A PERSON BUT DIVINE QUESTION DIVINE TRIAL AND DIVINE MERCY ARE AT THE END OF IT. PROVERB 14:12. PROVERB 16:25. ONE MOMENT IN TIME. PSALMS 144:9. SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. MALACHI 4:12. MALACHI 1:11. 2CHRONICLES 7:14.

[@eva4adam451]

I never ever hear you about th 2 fathers of Abraham: Tera and Azar. It troubles my mind for 33- 34 years now.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

In the Qur'an, it's only Azar who is mentioned as the father of Abraham.

[@hdxls-jx7lt]

Jay Smith is also a great historian, strangely there were no eyewitnesses during the seventh century. Can we trust those sources despite narrated 200 years after MD?

[@alg7115]

There are no roman sources. You would think if the Arabs invaded from Arabia with a new religion they would have wrote about it.

[@hdxls-jx7lt]

@@alg7115 just look at the New Testament the author of each book testifies what they have experienced and seen. They were all eye witness and wrote it down in Jesus time.

[@TheJo201]

Why Is it that All that stuff Happened North of Mecca And so many names that Are Not Arab?

[@rogeguggenbuhl6679]

Very interesting. I just dont think no eyewitnesses are a problem in general since to the times when Christianity or Islam was formed oral traditions have been very common. Christians and Muslims have the same „problem“.

[@zahraberserkexshiatruthseeker1]

Sorry, Not that I agree and you do not mention Shia Account My research is different Taking eye witnesses and the one closest to Prophet Muhammad is Imam Ali and that Shias say most trustworthy - proven to be - Shias get this That's why taking Quran Ayats, I've had to rely on Ibn Ishaq's account on Bani Quraiyza So I have to check during which Shia Imam's period Ibn Ishaq lived and so he was not killed having given by someone the true account of the Bani Quraiyza if Imam Ali's lifetime then he could have been killed by Imam Ali Surah 33 Ayat 60-61 Thank you it's been helpful, now I can see clearly the way I had to do my research on Islam.

[@briendoyle4680]

No gods - or allahahas, exist...!

[@vimalwills4193]

It's so late because they were contemplating how to compete with a jewish God n not an arabic one. That's it.

[@user-kl3vd4ov9r]

This is because Islam that we know today is simply an 'image' created by Abd Al Malik.. just like the book of Revelation prophesied.. an image of the first beast rising out of the sea will be made by the second image rising out of the earth (eretz Israel), to be worshiped by people from all around the world..

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Anyone think it's weird that Elohim from Genesis 1 is a Title but Yahweh Elohim from Genesis 2 is a Name? Amos 5 Names of God Bible 27 I will send you into exile beyond Damascus, says Yahweh, whose name is Elohe Tsebaoth. "Jesus Christ" (Firstname Lastname) from the majority of the New Testament seems identical with the false Elohim "Yahweh Elohim" from the majority of the Old Testament. Christ is a title, not a name. Just like Elohim from Genesis 1. Anyone with a name was given a name, a created being. Title > Name

[@love1another45]

In the Old Testament the prophet Isaiah says. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Jesus was born of a virgin his mother Mary.

[@sirunikunushik7735]

If you also read the entire book of Daniel from the old testament is talking about the Messiah.

[@knightmare2135]

​@@sirunikunushik7735Jesus is the Messiah

[@sirunikunushik7735]

@@knightmare2135 Jesus is Lord.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Isaiah 9:6 is the most abused verse in the Bible since it is being distorted by the Bible writers. The original text in the Hebrew Bible is that the verse is worded in the past tense. But the Bible plagiarizers distorted the text by rewording it in the future tense. The entire Chapter 9 of Isaiah is talking about the person who rescued the Israelites from the clutches of the Midianites. And it was KIng Hezekiah who did that. Hence, Isaiah 9:6 is referring to King Hezekiah. Prophet jESUs (Pbuh) did not rescue a single Israelite. -11-23-23

[@jaweedpatel]

When these companion of prophet died and Which place? Pls. Add them in your time line graph so that you can have better picture how Quran has passed through from generations to generations. Ali - 660, Died in Kufa. Hussein- Son of Ali - 680, Iraq. Anas bin Malik - 712 Died in Basra. Abu At-Tufayl ‘Aamir ibn - 732,Died in Kufa. These are the companions who taught Quran and Prophetic traditions to there Students. People who learned from companion of prophet are called Tabiun.. and those who learn from tabiun are call Tabai-tabiun. These are 3 early generations. I think you have not done research on this. Pls put them in your time line graph. So people understand your half truth.

[@jaweedpatel]

Pls also included the most famous Tabiun “Nuʿmān ibn Thābit ibn Zūṭā ibn Marzubān”. People call him Abu Hanifa. He lived and learn from Prophet companion and Tabiun. Born:- 697. Died :- 767, Kufa There were so much of literature was destroyed when bagdad fall. When Mongols attacked Bagdad.

[@MrHichammohsen1]

There are writings from the missing period which was with the Prophet's family, for 12 generations, and those descendants were the ones people were consulting for any information, and foolishly did not feel the need to compile and write everything, until politics destroyed the region and it was too late. Some snippets survived and still exist though.

[@Billy1690-ws8jz]

The region didn't exist, it's like middle earth. Get yourself a King James Holy Bible and find out how to have your sins forgiven and have eternal life.

[@MrHichammohsen1]

Are you serious? @@Billy1690-ws8jz

[@chucke9718]

In the Quran Jesus is the Way Jesus is the Truth

[@hdl135605]

Muhammad is the way to hell fire.

[@Travelguru860]

Because the ummayads didn't allow anyone to write about the Prophet and his family and about the events like Jamal and siffin . And he is the one who has all the fabricated hadith in islam.

[@Yohanes8.6]

The bible is a book consist of 66 books. That's why we know what Gospels and teachings that are align with the books of the previous prophets in the Old Testament. While the quran is nothing but another false gospel that bring false message.

[@thulomanchay]

The present edition of the Quran was heavily redacted. A council of knowledgeable went through all the original manuscripts and records and selected what THEY want. Not in the book was the verses eaten by sheep. The Quran contain verses selected by intelligent men that they want followers to know. They had all the original manuscripts and records were destroyed. Clever people don't want cross checking for authenticity. That they can't tell you. Smart people will say its to prevent confusion. Academicians would want clarity and for the originals to be preserved.

[@mozi4305]

Please Answer me If I am Wrong ! Walad"uuuun Rasool Allahi ?? No , A Boy is Not Rasool of Allah , Mount-Sinai = Mh-Sinai"uuuuun Rasool Allahi ?? Yes -- A Mh-Sinai is The Rasool of Allah , Muslim"uuuun Rasool Allahi ?? Yes , A Muslim is The Rasool of Allah , Maaaad"uuuun Rasool Allahi ?? Yea , A Maaaadi is the Rasool of Allah , Ahad-maaaad = Ahmaaaad"uuuun Rasool Allahi ?? Yes , A Ahmaaad is The Rasool of Allah , Mount-maaaad = Mh-maaaad"uuuuun Rasool Allahi ?? Yes , A Mh-maaaad is The Rasool of Allah , Muhammad"uuuuun Rasool Allahi , ?? Yes , A Muhammad is The Rasool of Allah , Muhammad"uuuun Abdu Allahi ?? Yes , A Muhammad is the Abdu of Allah , is the Rasool of Allah , Indeed -- In this Point -- Muhammad"uuuun or Mh-maaaad"uuuuun Meaning A Title of the prophets --, Therefore : Muhammad"uuuuun Rasoolu Allahi ( 48 : 29 ) Meaning - A Muhammad or ( A Mh-maaaad ) is The Rasool ( Messenger ) of Allah , But Not Meaning -- Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah , it is 100% Wrong Meaning ,[ It is a Big Fraud in Islam ] , And See -- Holy Quran Surah No-28 , Iaaat No--85 , What is the Meaning of Maaaad , or Maaadi or Maaaad"uuuun , !,------------------------------------------------------------;;

[@videosandphotoslide7866]

So is it written in the Quran you will get 72 Hoor in haven?🤔

[@istina2325]

Not 72. 100:And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[a] or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.😊

[@chucke9718]

Proving Jesus is the God of Islam ) Quran -Al-Baqarah 2:253 ) To Jesus, son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit ( . Ali 'Imran 3:55 ) Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you and raise you up to Myself ) = Jesus was Given the Holy Spirt Allah Raised Jesus to himself where he is in Allahs Glory Inside Allah till the Judgement Day where He Jesus will Return & judge the World ) And you have 1. Allah 2. Jesus 3. the Holy Spirt ) The Trinity all 3 Together as 1 Till the Judgement Day + Jesus is Allahs Partner Muslims say how can 3 be 1 well Proven in IIslam 😁 Jesus is the Word of Allah Making Jesus the Word of the Quran Check me on it All I Copied & Pasted Straight from the Quran with the Verse i Used here & i have the Tafsir about Jesus in Allahs Glory Reply

[@waltsm4411]

Your wrong ... Christianity exist before the birth of muhammad and the Bible is written long before the the quran. You might say the quran is copy paste of teachings of the Bible. I hope your prophet Muhammad will give you a ride with his flying donkey🤣😂😁😆😄

[@jaweedpatel]

You may find differences in Arabic Dialects. In todays modern world you may find it so call English language. Accent of American, British and Aussies are different. Now imagine in this modern days it’s difficult to understand dialects of different people although we know the language. Think about Asian English dialects. Arabic, Aramic and Hebrew are not like English. Different dialects has different pronunciations. The way you pronounce the way you write. So don’t bring your theory that there were 30 version of Quran available after the death of Messenger of Allah and it was burn during Uthman era. By the way Quran was written down during the time of Messenger of Allah. He knew reading and Writing. He was right handed. There was already book established during the time of messenger of Allah.

[@NoGreaterLove111]

It's sad to me to think that milions of Abrahamic people just might come to stand before the Lord and only then realize how deceived they were by a false teaching coming from this highly devious book(Quran..sorry):/ God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow as is written in the oldest of scriptures of the old testament and so He can not send out a message that contradicts His word. He is God and can not contradict Himself because what he said stands. Read the old testament and the new for the truth in love and peace. The son of God spoke only by love and the Holy Spirit (spirit of God Himself) and there we can read the truth of what the Lord wants for all His people. Abraham's sons, I am certain our Father would never put a brother against brother as is present in the devious book teachings. Sorry to see that there is even hate in there and that can never be from the one and only living God our Father. But so many have fallen for it. So in love only I pray to the Lord Almighty that all of His children will have their eyes opened to His love which came into the flesh by mercy and grace of His son Yeshua our Saviour whom He gave for our sins. I truly believe that all of Abraham's children can live in peace if they only choose to see the truth regarding the precious word of our God. He is so good and merciful, and as gentle as he is Almighty. Our Father loves us dearly, all. There could be peace among His children indeed. I pray for truth to be revealed in love and brotherhood for the glory of God Almighty forever and ever.I pray in the name of Yeshua the Saviour and the sweetest love of our true living God, Amen.

[@johnbones261]

I find if I leave a comment commenting negatively on the Koran it will be removed. I think the Koran is a load of rubbish, I'm wondering if the Irish government has anything to do with it.

[@sal19967]

Muhammad was not a prophet Allah never spoke to him only the angel Gabriel did 🎤🫳

[@mysticalglowtv1796]

Islam is a lie. God is love ❤️ He sent his son Jesus to this earth to pay the price of our sins 🙏 Come to Christ.

[@kb4432]

Human sacrifice is the law of the jungle. It's a satanic concept. That's why the innocent virgins blood is shed

[@istina2325]

Read:Jeremiah 48,10. Ezekiel 9,5-7. Numm.31. 17-18. Ezekiel 20,25-27. Hosea 13,6-8. 2.Kings2,23,24. Leviticus 26,29. Dauterenomy 28,53 - 2.Kings 6,25 - 30. Ezekiel 4,12 - Malachi 2,3. Malachi 3,6. - Jems 1,17. God is LOVE? Jesus is God?

[@collybever]

@@istina2325 God is a God of justice as well as love. So the children of Israel were protected as far as they followed the covenant given. The issue of how are sins are dealt with is an important issue in the Bible. In the new covenant, as established by the Messiah, and foretold, God has placed all the sins of those who believe on Messiah, who willingly did that, so that those who believe are "accepted in the Beloved". So then they can experience the love of God without problems due to His justice and hatred of sin. Hence Apostle John said "God is love" whilst not ignoring His hatred of evil. But we do have to confess sins, cooperate with God to become transformed in part here on earth. But we are not left in the position of "Mohammed" in surah 46, who does not know if he or his followers will go to heaven or not, and has no interior experience of God.

[@istina2325]

​@@collybeverSee; my hands and my feet: it is I myself; put your hands on me and make certain; for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have.(Luke 24, 39.). Now I say this, my brothers, that it is not possible for flesh and blood to have a part in the kingdom of God; and death may not have a part in life.(1.Corinthias 15,50.).😱😱

[@istina2325]

@@collybever Read: Quran 4:124❤️ Matthew 5,20-5,22.😱😱

[@midimusicforever]

Islam is so fake lol!

[@Billy1690-ws8jz]

Mo the false prophet.

[@istina2325]

"Yes, God say" (Isaiah 42,11.

[@shaikhkareem2852]

What about Paul who don't know Jesus and elevated as Saint...your God Jesus is forced upon you by the roman...amin

[@user-by7zt1ns8g]

FREE PALESTINE!!!!

[@dangdutirama1679]

Calling out to my Christian brothers and sisters. Please re-evaluate the bible. Especially, the verse Samuel 15:3 where god commanded the killings of children and babies. Samuel 15:3 - “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don't have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies.”. Clearly, this is illogical as God is merciful. Don’t let the church and preachers deceived you with a tampered scripture.

[@ragael1024]

What you mention is the Old Testament. Basically the Torah. Jesus simply told us to forget the Old Testament. It was antiquated. He preached peace, love, acceptance. In the Old Testament, God was very wrathful. Christians follow the New Testament, and barely care for the Old one. We only read it for the Genesis, the lives and trials of certain Prophets, the mention of the war in Heaven, about The Fallen... but these are only barely mentioned. The New Testament is what we really care for.

[@willcruz943]

What is the context of The book of Samuel? Weren’t the Israelis at war with the Amalekites at the time? So looking it at that context , it was limited to the Hebrews/Jews wiping out the Amalekites . The command to exterminate the Amalekites didn’t extend to the Philistines, the Moabites and others . Did God say in that verse, to completely annihilate every tribe, kingdom, empire that comes before them back then and in the future? None. Zero.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@ragael1024 ............ If you believe only in the New Testament, then what you are believing is the Fake Apostle Paul, because almost 90 percent of the New Testament are the words of Paul. Believing in the words of Paul is tantamount to equating him to the status of a god. Hence, Paul is your 4th god. -11-23-23

[@nitram46]

Wow. So the history of Islam has been manipulated just like Christianity. Another similarity ! Same God same stories.

[@jaweedpatel]

You don’t know nothing about Islamic history.

[@Bro_Mike_Phil117]

Muhammad didn't know where he or you go when you die Surah 46:9

[@kairulazwan112]

Look like Santa Clause tried to fool us Muslim with their wicked tricks again. Even impersonating as Arab by wearing head cover. After our beloved prophet pub died, many and now until today thousands of people able to memorize the whole Quran. They called tahfiz and thosand of tahfiz school around the world. I'm not tahfiz but I can memorize many surrah myself because we recite Quran surrah verse everyday 5 time a day. Our prophet not only teach us to pray 5 time but memorize Quran. And if one normal asian non arab person like me an easily memo 20 surrah? what can hundred of prophet companion do? come on santa, our religion is not 'once a year santa celebration' like you guys. too many imagination and corruption you guys did on original Bible..evil stuff.

[@padelwas-my6yv]

You two r funny liars..ha..ha.

[@kb4432]

As a Muslim, watching these 2 guys at it, was just Hilarious and comedy. How they are they so sure of themselves when their 'evidence' is so laughable and even I, as a complete layman knows that. To be fair, they are playing their tune to a Christian audience so no one's gonna know and question it. A classic case of "the blind leading the blind" P.s I dont know why this video was recommended to me - KZbin and its dodgy algorithms 🤔

[@mjm9573]

Because ex muslim contents are rising , exposing the islamic cult

[@karenthompson1337]

Well if you believe that refute them with eye witness and outside sources to prove your opinion. No Islamic sources please.

[@jxcess3891]

Typical muslim ad hominem attacks. No real arguments to counter what was said in the video

[@olami8]

Present Islamic/historic references to refute the facts in the video. Talking and typing from you are cheap.

[@gordonbarranger4087]

Present historical references?thats a oxymoron moron.@@olami8