#1 Player on Faceit got Banned

Faceit's Number 1 ranked player got banned. It'll come as validation for anybody who's been beaten by him previously, but the consequences of the ban on the game's anti-cheat and credibility are catastrophic, and we'll never know the full extent of his cheating. How many other cheaters are out there?...
See Styko's video about it here: • The Best FACEIT Player...
And faceit confirming it wasn't the sv cheats exploit: / 1783113202332582286
Older match footage of The Prodigies - • Wonderful_Y & CO (Hawk...
0:00 - Wonderful_y, not Wonderful
0:50 - Cheating!
1:34 - Comments before and after
2:27 - History
3:20 - Consequences
4:23 - How to spot cheaters?

[@lol-ji7rb]

faceit, you're banned.

[@matthewpaanotorres7309]

Genius pun. 😎👍

[@ace2239]

W comment

[@balintnemes6774]

- caseoh

[@jorge69696]

wonderful comment

[@piggydabest]

👍

[@TheAlienpope]

at 3:31 you can clearly see he was cheating. Just look at the white text "Banned for cheating" surrounded by red. Clearly that's what the cheat detection detected and banned him for cheating

[@LeventK]

I can't believe they let it slip

[@TheAlienpope]

@@LeventK Ikr! valve please f

[@JACOBTHASECOND]

the fact i almost clicked that timestamp to look closely for what you were referring to hurts my soul.

[@christofferore6285]

You are all retards anyway lol. Happy to see one of you get some blame

[@christofferore6285]

You are all retards anyway lol. Happy to see one of you get some blame

[@Th1FreeMan]

FACEITt: You're banned. VALVE: Welcome back to our VAC secured servers.

[@devil3742]

Ah shit here we go again

[@christofferore6285]

You are all retards anyway lol. Happy to see one of you get some blame

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

@@devil3742 *Starts spinning in place at 300 km/h while shooting at the ground

[@The_Random_Bastard]

Don't hate the palyer Hate the GAME is sad but real

[@jimjunglecock2866]

@@The_Random_Bastard no i hate the player aswell for being a piece of shit and cheating

[@pentagonalman]

"322" originates from a DotA2 player called Solo betting against his own team, throwing, and taking $322 in winnings from the bet

[@tappajaav]

What a payday

[@akashp01]

It isnt about the money -- search for 322 skull and bones on google. The numeral itself is significant

[@MaskedDeath_]

@@tappajaav fr, bro must be swimming in money now

[@littledude52]

better then jontay porter, made 20k but gave up his guranteed multi million dollar salary after getting banned for life

[@suru2915]

@@littledude52feel bad for Michael penis jr

[@BobTheMartin]

I still really enjoy how you use Caboosing as a vine thud sound

[@qudruplem8570]

this is so funny, you get a gold star

[@LukaRaphael]

hello, top comment-reply openers :)

[@OscarSkrt]

Bing BongoCat

[@MrBigNicholas]

honestly thats the best way to describe the way he uses it

[@moyai7699]

3:22 whats the song name

[@YunTaeGoO]

the day I lost faith in faceit was when I faced an high faceit moderator in matchmaking who got boosted by a cheating premate ...posted about it in their discord with downloaded demo and no other moderator cared

[@Jmack1lla]

absolute power corrupts absolutely

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

They're discord moderators, of course they don't give a sh1t. There is not a single discord mod that actually gives a damn about what they do or is looking for fair treatment, they are always looking after themselves.

[@christofferore6285]

They are all retards anyway lol. Happy to see one of them get some blame

[@GreyStormPlays]

​@@DarkOmegaMK2 I guess you could say they don't give a rats ass about their job.

[@XxDramaticBatu]

I once had a level 8 enemy .. As level 4, in the first 10 matches i played

[@TheGingerjames123]

Lan + audited hardware is bare minimum for a qualifier that garuntees 250k in sticker money. The incentives to act bad are too great

[@von...]

250k & you better have full-time security for both of the teams who make it to the finals. 250k is enough for the mob to get involved lol

[@emger4275]

The only way of a cheatproof competition is LAN + provided hardware.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

bro people will cheat for 0 money in tier 6 matches just to boost their ego lol

[@TheDiner50]

@@emger4275 And tamper protection. With a guard looking and also checking for cybernetic implants. Getting to real now aint it? Even then a inside job might sneak in a aimbot tool. Or that config file uploaded to a secure foolproof cloud sync has a vulnerability/inside job and by that means it sneaks in a payload with the cheats to infect the game installation. Right? This is a bloody game we are talking about. More security and consideration then elections gets. ????? Wait. Hold on. That makes no... Someone is knocking at the door violently. BRB.

[@san24k]

@@emger4275 nahh maybe they should invest in developing a really really good low latency remote play software so when you play these matches you connect to a certified PC running CS instead of your device this way you would have 0 chances of using external software. Maybe it's too soon and the tech isn't there but in a couple years with like 5gigabit connections i can see it happening

[@jaakarimiquel8473]

Why is the VAC shield off-centered argh

[@DiosBabilonia]

It's a representation of its ineffectiveness.

[@ddream296]

SERIOUSLY THIS

[@sojjjer]

Cool i didnt notice this before, thanks

[@m0key1987]

Why did u say that, now I cant unsee it

[@nooobiechild]

I hate how much that triggers me.

[@xehP]

The comments before and after is literally one of the most annoying things I find people do, I don't quite understand the psychology of it, but it's extremely strange.

[@fidgeysrii4888]

People all the time think they know better than others even on topics (they didn't read anything on / know nothing about / aren't a professional in) very common in politics for example. Humanity is frustrating and riddled with main character syndrome.

[@n8mo]

Yeah. It’s fascinating how once he’s been convicted for cheating a bunch of people will immediately dogpile onto Styko for not catching him. He’s a professional player ffs. If anyone is good enough to notice that the guy was cheating, Styko is. He clearly hid his cheats extremely well if Styko could review multiple demos without becoming suspicious of him. But of course a bunch of level 4 players will always take any opportunity they can to act superior.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

It's the psychology of talking shit and then backing out of those words. It's the psychology of a bunch of cowards and sheep.

[@daneelfn5736]

EXACTLY THIS, it was so annoying to read the comments on that video. its so easy to point out something in hindsight

[@1bird_d]

Never heard of him or payed attention to the leaderboards (i am NA and top 500, but who caree about elo) until the verdict came out. His gameplay looked uninteresting and had nothing special, which shouldn’t be the case for someone who wins every faceit game. The only thing that looks special is that he rarely entries and almost always baits while winning every “hard” engagement in 4v4, 3v3, etc. 5v4 he almost always baits and never plays to where he can lose, seemingly because he plays with info

[@sekki2554]

He literally exposed himself by trying to replace one evil with another, not understanding that the command would‘ve got him banned in the actual ban wave. So he never used the command, but he felt to lie about it.

[@KNDCHV]

Wait what? People who used the sv_cheats command got banned in the last VAC wave? Do you have proof of that? I was considering just to try it for few seconds, thank God I didn't use it, but still can you give me some proof that people who used it got banned in the recent wave?

[@schwitzhxntuch]

I love the background music

[@Meloron_]

Then buy the music kit 🤑🤑🤑💶💵💶💶💶💰💳

[@Luigi_Pizza]

​@@Meloron_mid music kit tbh

[@FijyFilms]

@@Luigi_Pizza😱😱

[@neodymus]

jokes asides, that's music 3klikphilips personnally composed

[@texmj123]

i like when it goes waayyyooowaaaa

[@Flare97]

Hell yeah, now im indirectly featured in 2 of my favourite youtubers' video's.

[@MEMUNDOLOL]

MOM MOM! IM IN TV

[@fraizie6815]

We live in a society. Mostly everyone praised him before the ban and now they're acting like they knew all along and pointing at things

[@redneckedcrake7059]

Cheating is so common in most FPS's now that I just assume for every blatantly obvious cheater there are 10 more who are just hiding it.

[@angel831]

Besides the fact that the overmatch system has not been usable since the CS2 release, I still don’t think that players should do the unpaid janitor work that Valve completely ignores while raking in millions. Valorant isn’t free of cheaters by any means, but there are no ragehacks running rampant like in CS at the moment. On the other hand I’d rather play against a spinbot with a Scar instead of getting invested in a match and trying to win, only to find out that someone was looking through the wall in crucial rounds. I barely ever see anyone complimenting an opponent on a shot they hit, because cheating is so widespread and rampant. Sad state really

[@psylina]

Problem is, letting players do this unpaid janitor work ended up ruining the data vacnet got fed because of people just buying accounts with ow and putting false verdicts

[@jebbyy32]

Alright so we use something equivalent to faceit anticheat which clearly also has problems. And we're right back to where we are now.

[@TheDraiken]

I have over 4k hours of CS and never faced a spinbot. I have my suspicions of less blatant cheaters but those are very few, and even fewer were confirmed by a ban. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky, but these allegations that cheaters are everywhere seem exaggerated by vocal minorities. It just gives players that suck at the game an easy excuse, that they then use to confirm their existing biases. 99.9999% of players that call others cheaters never even bother to open a replay to confirm. That tells the whole story.

[@christofferore6285]

Problem is You are all retards anyway lol. Happy to see one of you get some blame

[@jebbyy32]

@@TheDraiken you're almost certainly 100% right here The story changes daily. The running story right now is 20k+ is where all the cheaters are (also known as the top 1% of all players)

[@Putchakutty]

The only way i can continue to play the game is to block enemy names, block enemy chat, block my teammates' names and delude myself into thinking everyone is better than me. Damn their gaming chairs!

[@kngkunaat]

thx for talking about this topic, especially in this calm and collected demeanor.

[@HandsomeMadMax]

Whenever someones says "nah the are DEFINITELY not cheating", I cringe super hard. Closet cheaters are the reason you can never say that. You can suspect someone to cheat or just say that at least you see no clear EVIDENCE that they are cheating, but never that a player is clean. Watching CS2 demos has taught me that even the opponents that I never suspected and who were the bottom of the leaderboard sometimes had blatant wallhacks, just missing the required aim for it to have any impact.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

you dont need to watch demo for that, just spectate your teammates. i often see guys at the bottom of the team walling, just baiting everyone, and maybe they get 1 kill at the end of the round with info they didnt have

[@TapPaires-ob2lr]

This. Checking the ban checker, it's more often than 50% of the time that the bottom fraggers are the ones who got vacced later on. Proooobably because they still sucked with the cheats, and had to turn it up a notch. Or then they used ones taht get caught easily for the same reason they're bad at cs: they're dumb.

[@HandsomeMadMax]

@@TheSuperappelflap yeah true. Its just very naive how most people only suspect the top fraggers (or high elo players) of cheating and not anyone else most of the time.

[@NymphieJP]

I really appreciate your videos. Thanks for the upload!

[@concretel10n]

Another issue is if cheating is rampant, reports for legit players having a really good game will go up, impacting their trust factor, and kind of making a vicious circle. Or you have a 4k round and then the entire team dies to the same guy for the rest of the game, all because you had a good round.

[@Alex_zer0_Shoveller]

that's why "trusted partners" section in overwatch has been added, because i believe valve is outsourcing to select third party companies running A.i demo review service for obvious shit like spinbot/wallhack. They can't let people with even 150 wins like before review matches, because everyone is paranoid and on a witch hunt to ban cheaters. Imagine the amount of new players that have grinded 150 wins within the first year of playing getting their hands on overwatch, they honestly wouldn't know shit

[@user-jc2in3cp3g]

Trust factor doesn’t exist anymore

[@polocatfan]

good. if you feel like someone is cheating when it's very easy to cheat, fucking report them.

[@dewitnow1765]

​@@polocatfanthats not a good environment for a competitive shooter like Counter Strike. Its to the point where every lucky shot, every good play, and good gamesense is being called out as cheating. Valve needs an actual anti-cheat to combat this issue otherwise it hurts the credibility of legit players who are just good at the game.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

most of my reports are from teammates after i call them out for cheating. and then you get a cooldown. im basically forced to have a bunch of alt accounts just so i can call out cheating or leave games when people cheat.

[@Chilledoutredhead]

Yep i had a great game on ancient the other night, the kind of game where your shots just hit, and you can do no wrong. Got accused of cheating, then an enemy player started rage hacking. It just sucks the enjoyment out of the game, i dont often play that well and was having a great time. Then bang.. all ruined. If cheating wasnt a thing, we could actually celebrate people playing well, instead of being suspicious all the time :(

[@mediumplayer1]

Yeah, played wingman a month ago with a friend of mine, only bought shotguns and won the first half by a landslide. Little sad losers got mad, one of them took the whole technical timeout to reconnect to return with ragehacks (aim+wh). We still tied due to them not knowing how to play and had a good laugh about it, but someone definetly got mad.

[@assetaden6662]

@@mediumplayer1 wingman is sadly trash filled with rage botters. I've met like 14 cheaters in just a few games. 100% of my games had at least 1 cheater on it, and some were 3 players out of 4 (the 4th player being me).

[@JohnDoeWasntTaken]

What the actual fuck is happening to these games bro. Remember back when cheating was actually relatively rare in these shooters? Now it's fucking rampant, what the hell. I never imagined CS2 to become known as a game full of cheaters with ineffective anticheat. Like why are we experiencing this seemingly sudden epidemic of hackers? I kinda blame it on the wave of people who joined PC gaming back in 2020 during lockdown. The population on Steam probably almost doubled if not more from all the people getting gaming PCs. And now we have to deal with the hacking they brought with them. I HATE to use this word but... it's the normies. Before 2020 you were weird for gaming on PC, now it's normalized. Just my tinfoil conspiracy theory. More people naturally means more hackers. I also think it brought a lot of people in who don't respect the integrity of these games and don't see hacking as a major offense like pre-2020 PC gamers do. Just saying, maybe I'm wrong, but before 2020 I never saw hackers in any game I played. Hundreds of hours of TF2 and CSGO, seen zero. Now? Pfft, they're everywhere.

[@mediumplayer1]

@@JohnDoeWasntTaken you know what? You are probably right...

[@mediumplayer1]

@@assetaden6662 afaik, wingman used to be the go-to option for a lot of cheaters even back in CS:GO, as it had no Overwatch, so you could do whatever and it would never get seen by anyone.

[@murdey]

It seems Valve is really stubborn on wanting to have hard evidence of third-party software running on the end-user's machine (along with their commitment to be unintrusive). That's the only good reason I can think of for letting rage hacks run rampant on their servers. In addition to what has been suggested using stats like the ones Leetify generates, it should be really easy to observe a player's camera vector over time and pick out rage hacks. It would be more complicated than this but i.e. a player is looking down for >95% of the round and making crazy flicks getting multikills - that should probably get flagged Things like: -Average player speed per round -Natural vs unnatural crosshair movement (especially during flicks and sprays) - bullets fired per second (like seriously how are those cheats not detected) -wallbangs based on information gained in round (this is a really complex and advanced metric though) Could all be used to detect unnatural behavior. If not banning players, these metrics should at least be grouped together in a trust-factor-like manner I think the idea is that valve isn't quite sure of what bugs do and don't exist in the game. They aren't the type to be banning based off of exploits, only third party software. In the same vein they're also definitely very wary of falsely banning players. If they're not gonna ban based on in-game metrics I think our only hope is a more aggressive trust-factor system based on those metrics.

[@chervilious]

Statistical anomaly is a double edge sword. I know multiple person having a disease that make their recoil jittery. Which is a statistical anomaly in itself. While those things are good to keep track, it punishes the unconventional player. Remember that Simple at one point has horrible crosshair placement and he was a bit dominating at the top of the scene

[@anaiagagaear]

L opinion

[@Kyorinmaru]

@@chervilious lol what? S1mple always had exceptional crosshair placement throughout his career. There were even stats, that denied that opinion, by showing that he had to flick less than his teammates.

[@assetaden6662]

@@Kyorinmaru that part was wrong, but still, simple has a jittery crosshair, especially during flicks. You know what else has jittery crosshair when it flicks? Any kind of aimbot, especially silent ones.

[@GrandpaGameHacker]

I am anti cheat dev and these are all indictators for sure. None of them are hard and fast excepting that extreme rage hack blatent stats such has 99/100 accuracy and 5k every round and odd camera vectors. Leetify does make it quite easy to see who is cheating, based on what I know of cheaters. Additionally cheaters on matchmaking tend to flock together in groups of 2 or more, lending more information when you combine stats of people who group together. They do this to avoid getting kicked by their team.

[@Billy_Herrington1969]

At first glance thought it was Wonderful* from Na'Vi, thank you for clarifying it, lol

[@1-NeO-1]

you really are dumb arent you

[@jamesbrendan5170]

r.i.p Aniki/Billy Herrington... 歪みねぇな!!!!

[@grigorecosmin]

The biggest HvH cheat creators are from Russia and they spoke about custom made cheats for pro teams and players that use them, without giving any names ofc, they spoke about crosshair that changes color based on enemy direction, about the netgraph displaying enemy coords, and much more. The interviewer from Cybershoke also said they had problems where teams were requested to provide event organizers with videos of each players screens in online matches and they were submitting only 4/5 videos with some players refusing to do so. They also said that most cheaters are from the CIS region. Ofc, I don't think they are referring to tier 1 teams.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

i have heard the exact same from danish cheat coders when astralis was winning everything (and obviously not being completely legit) just admit fact, most high tier cs players are on some gear one way or the other

[@JohnSmith-px1fm]

@@TheSuperappelflap Part of me wants to live in a world where DanM was right

[@thekamotodragon]

I thought Germany was also a big source for the cheating scene as well?

[@burger406]

idk what rank i am on faceit but i plan to become numba 1 and then also become ban -burger40

[@zx9018]

God bless

[@jaynay8541]

did your 40th brother burger40 say that mr 406th brother burger406

[@Sir_Steven]

Good luck on your journey

[@ValkyrieMain]

@@jaynay8541 he's burger 40 (my whole world was turned upside down when I found it out, please don't be too shocked)

[@the10ofdiamondscard]

good luck burger 406 -the tenth card

[@terresombre2490]

Man I'm in love with your "Valve, please fix", it ALWAYS hits hard :D Thank you!

[@Kjelleros]

Reddit: Dont want to play with cheaters? "Just play Faceit, bro"

[@D3nn1s]

Tbf its a pretty effective way. There will be cheater everywhere where theres a competition so not really a huge surprise. Just a surprise that he managed to be #1 before it was detected

[@assssss3661]

@@D3nn1s dma card cant get hit untill firmware gets hit, theres pools you can make your own also but itll slip into a pool depending on how you did it and how effectively you hide it. he prolly got fucked on some pool firmware and got hit

[@D3nn1s]

@@assssss3661 i have no idea what you just said :D Dma? Pool? What are you talking about? :)

[@sdHansy]

there are far less cheaters on faceit

[@Chrissi33004]

@@D3nn1s If a cheater can reach rank 1 before being detected then thats a bad sign for the anticheat tbh. Imagine the Rank 1 LoL Player is a scripter instead of a pro player. Would be a terrible look

[@AnthraciteGari]

Maybe this is defeatist but i feel like subtle cheating in online matches isn't possible to "solve" entirely, even invasive ac can only do so much, imo the correct course of action is to treat "subtle" cheating as an unavoidable possibility in online matches and only do serious competitive matches in the LAN format. If people want to play online without cheaters, real ID verification requirement and lifetime bans for cheating might be the only way. all in all I don't think it's a game or industry problem, it's definitely a people & culture problem

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

true tho i think game dev have to work with governemt to implement law cause cheating cant dealt

[@PureRok]

@@leosimvuiseng2926 Absolutely not. The government does not belong sticking it's nose anywhere close to this.

[@redline841]

It gets to a point where if the cheating is so subtle, is it even cheating at that point?

[@AnthraciteGari]

@@redline841 from a player's perspective, if the enemy is cheating super subtly, it becomes similar to playing against someone who's just better. But there are differences which would make the game less fun if you're being cheated against, it's still not a good thing.

[@filipbergman4232]

Very good take, could not say it better myself.

[@slainthemaid]

Stuff like this is why i struggle to open shooter games, the uncertainty kills my motivation to try and become a better player

[@ZwizuCS]

ive played a few open EU qualifiers for bigger tournaments, and closet cheating is unfortunately not uncommon in those kinds of settings in my case, ive played 2 closet cheaters in IEM open qualifiers, only for them to be completely stomped by a reputable organization like Spirit Academy, most likely in an attempt to stay under the radar. them losing so hard to pros makes it hard for me to argue my case that they were cheating, and faceit has yet to respond or even acknowledge what ive seen

[@assetaden6662]

Yeah, AKUMA once stomped the Na'Vi and got disqualified after that. New generation of closet cheaters are learning, so catching them would be even harder than before.

[@the_gost_gamer3841]

Average Faceit Player 🤓: We have no cheaters

[@snkalex9312]

because of free DMA cheats and chinese with DMA hardware now its more easly not to say its full with new account with maxim 2-3 medals i dont think all of them are just smurfs

[@lian2k386]

@@snkalex9312 you dont get these new accounts with super match and on higher elo these ppl are not rampant. You mostly discover these kind of players when leveling up.

[@randy89555]

​@snkalex9312 there's a thing called a punctuation mark (,)

[@assssss3661]

@@snkalex9312 david dma!! for da win

[@syv2un1]

Cheat developers: We have FaceIt proof cheats for sale $$$$

[@galaxlordcz3933]

I always see people complain that VAC is horrible, but the seccond any anti cheat detects normal background apps it's a huge deal.

[@anthonydavis2995]

Thanks for this video and summarizing how many players are feeling. Playing against hackers ruins the game. People are even questioning whether pros are hacking DURING tournaments. It's such a terrible time in the game. I've been playing since 1999 and cs_mansion was the main map. I played through the days where we had to download the updates on 56k. CS1.6 transition to CS:CZ and CS:S and then the weird transition into CS:GO. This is by far the most profound time that I can remember. No one can be trusted and the the biggest violator of that is Valve. They allowed this to happen. My only guess is that they will implement a system where you have to pay to get out of the lobbies of hackers since they seem to refuse the idea of a kernel level anti-cheat. Something that many people should be very weary of (ESEA bitcoin mining)... The game is unplayable...even in FaceIt. I hope they find something soon, because the game is hurting.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

pros have and do cheat during tournaments, this was already obvious with flusha in 2015/16 and valve did nothing, so now everyone and their grandmother is cheating at every level of competition. tournament orgs have also refused for years to address these issues by taking basic measures like airgapping the tournament lan networks or not allowing players to plug in their phones and use their own hardware on stage or during practice.

[@cricketscoffee7478]

2:36 they way you pronounced Consss is hilarious. I listen to a French band called Igorrr which is spelled that way, for exactly this reason xD

[@ddream296]

i listened to only few igorrrrrrrrrrrr songs and every single one of them were great, thanks to random osu videos

[@ayeuplink1428]

Crazy how a pro player can’t spot cheats. But players who have probably been stuck in silver hell for 3 years from smurfs and cheaters can pick them out like that

[@georgejpg]

I don't think you can be certain that he used the sv_cheats exploit, as he likely claimed that he was banned for that in the hope that he could blend in with the crowd of 'sv_cheats cheaters' rather than the 'dedicated software/firmware cheaters'. For some reason a few prominent morons showed the former camp a lot of sympathy, despite being functionally identical to the latter camp.

But how do we know that he wasn't using the 'sv_cheat' cheat, and instead some external cheat? Faceit handles those bans like VAC, but at least VAC tells you if you got Overwatch banned or game banned. Being the number one player on the platform, Faceit should at least make a statement and tell us why he was banned.

[@vik1ng313]

@ A FACEIT admin (Darwin or something like that) tweeted that ALL sv_cheats exploiters were banned in a single wave and nothing since. Any ban after that is because of actual cheats.

[@dvdbeef]

@ 1:24

[@okarowarrior]

@ commenting without even watching the content, i see

[@TapPaires-ob2lr]

@ dum-dum.

[@singular9]

Played faceit yesterady. out of 6 matches, at least 3 had a cheater, or a "booster cheater" who q'd with players with literally no games or hours.

[@darkloud666]

2:45 Yooo its me

[@earthchan8431]

true 🎉

[@Mira-cv7dx]

Woh What a Star 🎉

[@darkloud666]

thanks guys!!❤❤

[@thedmiynV9ll]

1:21 the best soundtrack but mising snapping

[@sdHansy]

people seem to be very ignorant to the amount of players who just toggles to get a quick overview or only have a slight aim-.assist. It doesn't have to be full on WH all the time. It could just be toggling radarhack once a round.

[@MaxUKR]

Great video as usual!

[@vadnegru]

This brings me back to when i played Source. My friend were banned on most servers in under few hours. I also been banned a few times. Back in those days things like nade lineup and timings were unknown concept, even for server admins. One time i were accused of using anti flash. Dude i just spray and pray when i get flashed in the open.

[@PsicologoGeek]

The worst thing about cheaters is not the spinbot or blatant cheaters but the cheaters that know how to hide they are cheating. I stopped playing CSGO because i hated smurfs and possible cheaters that stomped my team in games.

[@kroooassant9899]

Well I still play for the thrill of good momentum but I feel you. I think what's happening to CS right now is only the precursor of what might happen on a very large scale to the internet as we know it in general, it is becoming obsolete in front of newere more powerful technologies. People still think internet is made to last forever but in 20-30 years from now I think it will be no more or something completely different, weaponized and definitely not free anymore.

[@Skrenja]

@@kroooassant9899 The internet hasn't been "free" for years.

[@emger4275]

I feel you and you will never get rid of all of them but if you could filter the majority of cheaters, i think the game is very well playable. I think faceit shows this very well, even though they are certainly not cheat free, the experience is much better than in valve matchmaking.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

the cheating is also forcing people to smurf. i played for thousands of hours just on 1 account and never smurfed. made it to GE in solo queue. but the cheating got so bad that i now have to have 8 accounts just to be able to play a game or two sometimes, then i get kicked by my cheating teammates and get 14 day cooldown, so i have to go to the next account. it does suck for the couple legit people i play against but 90% of matches there are cheaters in both teams.

[@imgladnotu9527]

yeah, its really funny how people seem to think other people who most likely arent in a good state of mental well being because of certain circumstances that do set their pitch to down and yaw backwards and just start raging against the entire server, most likely in retaliation to someone on the enemy team either closeting or semiraging, is the definitive problem that they think everyone else should think about. but no, it really isn't, if cheating is getting into the gated communities that most cheaters wouldn't care about, therein lies the issue, its not that there's a bunch of people raging in valve's public servers, its that its gotten so bad that even faceit has the issue, even with their highly intrusive approach similar to valorant's vanguard, they cant keep out the most closeted of cheaters. back then we had solutions for this that didn't intrude on someone's personal digital privacy. h u m a n b a s e d r e v i e w / m o d e r a t i o n, but now with machine learning on the rise, i think that it can be possible to offload most cases to the algorithm, and have edge cases be covered by humans. look, dont get me wrong, the fact that its an issue to begin with isnt great, but if we're allowing ourselves to be blind by those that actually care about stroking their egos and "making themselves look like X pro player" when in reality its just humanized legit aimbot/triggerbot, esp, and in the worst case its an external cheat that's visual assistance only or with humanized aim assist or triggerbot.

[@DVDHDBLURAY]

But he is still not VAC banned? Top notch Valve.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

I know your channel is primary about CS and tech... but could you do a video about Vangard kernel anti cheat?

[@elliejohnson2786]

I watched NeokCS's video on this and he reviewed two games. I could not tell they were cheating at all, it's extremely hard to tell.

NeokCS was talking about this guy as if it were so easy to tell that he was cheating, and the only argument he had was that he pulled his knife in some questionable situations, as if that would make him a blatant cheater, and that he's so obvious with it, when in reality everyone with actual experience at a high level in cs would hesitate to make such a statement.

[@dioivan77755]

​@the Neok vid was exactly like the post-ban comments...pure bullshit haha. I've seen the demos as well, and no way that you could tell he was blatantly cheating.

[@randomguy_21]

>play modern competitive game >install kernel level malware >be stuck on windows >still get hackers wow so epic can we please get more kernel level AC?!?!?!?!

[@STvE7737]

kernel level ac is the only reason he got banned goofy

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@its_bleak Nah its more so people who actually care about the security of their devices xd or just people that are annoyed that a kernal level AC still isn't stopping cheaters.

[@randomguy_21]

@its_bleak the kinda mf who says "all linux users are cheaters.

[@Name_cannot_be_blank]

@@STvE7737you dont know if it was because its kernel level

[@STvE7737]

@@Name_cannot_be_blank did you watch the video? he was banned on faceit…

[@oleugh]

What can we do about it? quit playing the damn game before valve fix their shit.

[@TheInfectous]

as someone from a community that semi-regularly has public bans like this, it's amazing how frequently cheaters will get banned and use a presumed silence of the dev to gain face by admitting to a lesser crime. it's also quite depressing how frequently it works. Always funny to see when a dev does break silence and confirms the scumbag to be so.

[@Shiftry87]

I´m not to knowing about the anti-cheat logos used and maybe he mentions it later in the video but is that the Vanguard system that Riot uses or another system?

[@EnderBoy9217]

Let’s go, I can blame cheats if anyone does slightly better than me on FaceIt now too.

[@Fabzil]

I don't understand how people are discovering that cheats are rampant in CS

[@CatheteriZedEYE]

there are no cheats in CS2, everyone is just god like and it's a skill issue :P

[@jesukxd8494]

Everyone just have mastered bhopping while looking at the floor while no scope spraying enemy team with scout. Its new meta. Real question is why are cs2 pros so bad.​@@CatheteriZedEYE

[@Veptis]

The point should be. Overwatch is meant for "beyond reasonable doubt". A skilled player with some game lag and a bad connection can look inhuman to a inexperienced player. But also to a pro player it seems. So we need proof of cheating, not investigations and acquisitions.

[@STYKO]

Thank you for bringing this up. A lot of good points in the video!

[@quackecs]

Should be noted The Prodigies is not one of the dodgy teams spoken about in relation to Wonderful_Y. The ban on consss was only form one tournament organizer and it is hotly contested if he even cheated or not. The Prodigies was a very serious talent development squad of free agents organized by the Prodigy Agency, meaning young players signed to the agency could get playtime as a team while remaining available to sign for free for interested teams. Wonderful_Y's dodgy teams refer to orgless squads from the CIS region, such as Doge Soldiers with Qweall (strongly suspected of associating with cheaters circumventing bans in Major qualifiers) and Sergiz (famously, a member of Akuma, several members of which are nowadays banned for matchfixing by ESIC). Several other games and teams in open qualifiers and alike, too low to show up on HLTV, and thus go largely unnoticed. Just saying - while consss himself is a bit suspect because of the ban from European Pro League, it's far from concerned and the team "The Prodigies" should not be considered shady by any means.

[@Billy_Herrington1969]

FaceIt is known for having a bunch of cheaters

[@laban3348]

Thats true. I better play ESEA than faceit

[@ianai787]

@@laban3348ESEA is literally dead. 3kliks if you’re reading this, ESEA was bought out by the same people who bought out ESL and FACEIT. Before this, ESEA was completely DEAD in North America. 20+ minute queue times for a match against people who didn’t take the game seriously.

[@BennyR92]

Premier is known for having a couple players who don't cheat, lol.

[@Niklas1611]

​@@laban3348and let them use your pc for bitcoin mining

[@AR1STO_o]

but... they're the same?@@laban3348

[@thebigsam]

He originally played in Insilio, relatively unknown team outside of CIS, but it has a fanatical dedicated following (in both good and bad ways) here. He left it in 2022 because the team was unable to pracc after the obvious geopolitical situation. We can safely say he wasn't cheating during his days in Insilio, because a lot more eyes were on him and there is no way that the team didn't know. That means he started cheating in the last 2 years

[@attractivegd9531]

cool story bro

[@gyrozeppeli00]

doesn't matter tho, forsaken was able to cheat at a LAN event and only got caught owing to his poor technique. A subtle aimbot is almost impossible to detect with normal eyes. He wouldn't resort to cheating if he was good enough to go pro in the first place. So I'd say, all of that 14k hours in the game, he was in fact, cheating.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

It's true, there aren't really any popular teams outside the Confederacy of Independent Systems.

[@SioxerNikita]

@@gyrozeppeli00 Someone wouldn't resort to cheat if they are good enough? What logic is that? Cheaters don't just cheat because they are not capable of being good enough... sometimes it is to be better... and considering the amount of money on the line, just being pro is not necessarily enough... Your logic is pretty bad.

[@syv2un1]

There is no rhyme or reason to this. Of course he could have been cheating back then already

[@empty7488]

hey can you please ask Valve to add the "invnextnongrenade" command? It's for switching between primary and secondary weapons only.

[@motalux]

as someone who plays a lot of Dead By Daylight, the talk about subtle cheaters being worse than blatant ones really rings true

[@fugelkusch3722]

If anyone would have shown up three weeks ago and explained why the guy is cheating, everybody would have laughed and said "he's just that good".

[@justjozua1827]

1:54 forsenE

[@leonyx42]

Jessesen

[@Aysentaro]

do not trust that smurfing ban on faceit, they always say that when they ban a cheater as they dont wanna admit ppl cheating on their platform

[@holy_pony8873]

Remember Subroza, people in the comment section could watch any demo and say that theyre blatantly cheating.

[@eltdnam]

Cs has to be one of the worst games for cheating considering how popular it is. Such a shame because I used to love this game

[@cloke3076]

I can say that he wasn't cheating 2 years ago when he was playing in Insilio team (where he got recognised in pro-scene at all). I guess his intrusive thoughts won somewhere between 2022-2024

[@kroooassant9899]

Does not really matters, he cheated, the only people who could be pardoned are noobs not a pro with over 10 years in the game and community and I sincerelly believe thee people should be sued fo MONEY. It's ok though, we have his name and you can easily retrace his links to his relatives he will regret for sure and that will be well deserved.

[@alexandreiss0agr276]

how do you "can say"?? did you watch his demos? are you god ?

[@cloke3076]

@@alexandreiss0agr276 no, because Insilio is a KZbinr's team and their entire training/playing process was recorded to media. So while he was a part of that team he didn't cheat. and the point of my entire comment is to answer the question "how many of his 10k matches did he cheat" Not a god lmao

[@alexandreiss0agr276]

@@cloke3076 that proves nothing, you can cheat while you stream, how many compilations do you have on youtube of streamers getting caught cheating? you cant say he was cheating 2 years ago.

[@Reinehr]

does anyone know where we can listen to the background music? love it specially that first one we can hear in many of the 3kliks videos

[@philaoki]

the only way to truly prevent cheating is to have the game run on a trusted platform, e.g. a server (or "cloud"), the player cannot interfere with besides sending input commands. iirc there's an online fps called "the finals" that somehow runs in the cloud to some extent.

[@unpairedelectron2886]

I have a question I've been meaning to ask. Maybe Valve can't detect cheats in game, but why can they not look back at stats post-match to ban cheaters or at the very least discount those games. I have met spinbotters in my games who on Leetify have 50ms time to damage or 60K/D. Shouldn't this be easy for Valve to detect? If timetodamage < 100ms then banPlayer. Am I missing something?

[@dimitar4y]

lmao are you going to realize you are a slave, a product, a chicken that's farmed for eggs, a cow farmed for milk - to valve you're just a profit node, they don't care about you or the game.

[@ddream296]

what exactly timetodamage means though? like if i scan someone through smoke/prefire corner my timetodamage will be low? what if its gonna be only 1-2 rounds and then enemy/my team will surrender, my timetodamage should be really low by then

[@dioivan77755]

To me, an even bigger question is, how is it possible that the VAC cannot detect literally impossible stuff like milion actions per second, 5 scout shots in less than a second. It seems so basic, I mean, yeah there are instances where you can enable some stuff via sv cheats, but still, such things should be easily detectable or not possible to do at all.

[@filipbergman4232]

@@dioivan77755five scout shots in one second? What am I missing here

[@Alex_zer0_Shoveller]

@@ddream296 yes, basing solely on time to damage would be a terrible metric, if you get one good prefire in, then the team surrenders you'd get banned in theory yes

[@dangus5326]

valve pls fix my life

[@somnorila9913]

Online competitive games are too broken now. In other sports they have anti doping tests which fail plenty. In esports there is no such thing but at least we had anti cheats and demo reviews. We reached a point where even spectating someone playing you can't tell if they are cheating or not. In some cases cheaters were caught even in LAN events. So it is clear that in order to still have competitions you need only LAN's in a respectful and trustworthy league where everything is transparent with plenty of over the shoulder witnesses all players using league gear they are not allowed to change in any way besides the settings of the game within certain regulations. So for everyone else, for all of us at home, the only way is to forget about these type of games and just play single player games. As for online types, maybe co-op only ones. The competitive side is history. As even if you are interested you would only play in LAN or private servers and will not bring enough attention to make it worth it for the leagues to exist.

[@jeanrenne1436]

the thumbnail is perfect

[@kingsley6480]

Premier for pure cheater without acting Faceit for Oscar award acting

[@randy89555]

👏👏👏

[@DerLichert]

fuck this game

[@IMWATCHING501]

I've been saying it for 10y+, the only way to stop cheating in online games is to have a closed system. Consoles are wonderful for that and they are powerful enough, it would also standardize hardware, which is not cheating, but it's 100% P2W.

[@sunslap]

Whats the music you use in your videos?

[@George-df4uc]

Do you reckon making the game no longer free to play would help? Right now if someone gets banned, all it takes is a new steam account and they're back on. If they have to pay for £15 or so price tag, that would help deter cheaters surely.

[@redline841]

Kinda. It will slow down some but even back when CS was a paid game, there are lots of cheaters. There are also steam keys that can make it extremely cheap to buy the game constantly

[@olnnn]

I mean they could go even more drastic and remove skins and cases from the game which would remove a chunk of the market around exploits for the game but that would also remove a lot of profits for valve

[@Arcidi225]

Cheats are more expensive than game itself. Afaik 60$ monthly subscription in most cases. (Based on yt interviews with cheats developers) So this 15$ once in a while won't change shit for them. As for people who would use free cheats, it is not a problem at all, vac handles those kind of cheats fast and effectively. Once they are public signature is known it takes minutes to get banned.

[@assetaden6662]

The game isn't free-to-play though? Raising the price will deter possible players that will choose other games like Valorant. Also, there are millions of accounts with cs that can be bought for dirt-cheap.

[@coolbrotherf127]

At this point, Valve has so many security exploits in their game that the anti-cheat barely matters

[@dimitar4y]

yep, most high tier cheats have full control over MM servers, in addition to crashing them, instantly cancelling the match, changing the map or instantly securing a win. 'Seen it all. Mostly around SFC ranks you see these craycray bananas.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Never say those things happen ​@@dimitar4y

[@Spartan322]

All games have this problem because you can't just run every player on the server, the user has to have some control over their serverside state. That's the unfortunate state of modern technology.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@Spartan322 but we can't give up

[@Spartan322]

@@IAm-zo1bo Kernel level anti-cheat is still the dumbest solution.

[@HerraHissi]

I'm just saying. Being better than VAC is no way a benchmark on how good an anticheat is. More like the bar of entry...

[@Zeuskabob1]

The Y in "Wonderful_Y" might be an upsilon, or a "U" in cyrillic.

[@TheNixxus]

Rootkit anti-cheat still can't detect someone messing with a DMA device

[@theobserver4214]

DMA Devices are more expensive and require a lot more effort to use. Manual review can take care of them.

[@presentfactory]

It's doable to bypass kernel anticheat anyways if you know what you're doing, at the end of the day anticheat doesn't really solve anything and is just a pointless arms race where the user will always win, because the user (should) always be in control of their computer.

[@grigorecosmin]

If you think every kid has $200+ to spend on a DMA and also the knowledge to set it up you are extremely wrong. Rootkit anti cheat is the solution to 90% of the problem.

[@patrickmartin2236]

​@@grigorecosmin> He doesn't know about obfuscated virtualisation / SBC based machine vision power augmented mice.

[@TheDiner50]

To play online games your forced to have the most intrusive of software possible running on your personal computer? That is the solution? To bad single player games that have you pay $70+ loaded with loot boxes and endless money extraction ALSO force that intrusive crap on you. Not only ruining the game performance with frame murder and stutters. Also taking hold of your hole computer and scanning every little dirty secret. Like what brand of bread you like. Or what company to sell your personalized ad information to. The solution is not to force down to the firmware and kernel level anti-cheat. That is the kind of solution your going for when trying to fight digital warfare in a world war. Or you know... Steal with fake consent your 'data'. It really dose not matter how one twist and turns it. It is stalking activity rooting around someone's else's trash bin. Let alone walking right up to there schedule board and noting down al of it. Or taking sleep habits that not even the freaking person your stalking are putting down as data on a paper or storage device! All for your safety ofc. Or to stop spinbots? Closet cheaters? What is the excuses? All are bad. If Valve or anyone wants full kernel and complete control of a machine? Then the machine better be sold as that too. Like a console ONLY to play those online games. And the only thing that SteamDeck truly have going for it? It is the fact that is is a personal computer. Running opposite to Microsoft and Windows trying to control the costumers device. Nintendo Switch is not a personal computer. It might be able to run a web browser or whatever. You can probably jail-brake it and mod it. You can probably also develop cheats and spinbots for Nintendo games/hardware if you want and cared to. It really solves nothing trying to stop bad actors and cheats. If there is any proof needed then go and look up all the examples of DRM's that ruins games. Where pirates got the clear and in all ways the better experience. The hole POINT of Steam is that instead of fighting pirates they deliver a better service then pirating. I will not buy a console solely to play CS2. Rather stop playing online games completely if your being made to both pay and be handled at the same time like a crook/cheat. Solving the cheating problems is up on Valves and their server sides. Not forcing costumers give them the keys to there front door. And lock to the garbage bin. And optional give up your time table. We want to know when you walk passed a dark corner. For your safety! Totally! Do not mind the pixels I'm holding. Gambled for the pixel in something called loot boxes.

[@ianb9693]

One thing I believe that would help the cheating problem, is a lot more lan centers.

[@Forwardslashhug]

I for one can NOT believe people are cheating in Counterstrike

[@assetaden6662]

Fr, it literally can't be. Even the loading screen says "If you are vac banned, you cannot join other VAC secure servers"

[@Jane-qh2yd]

The youtube comment section suddenly acts like they have 3 Major MVPs under their belt when in reality none of them could really tell before the accusations.

[@sim00n99]

Sadly Kernel level anti-cheats are not much better at preventing good cheats, unless he randomly turned on some free cheats i suspec this ban is more likeley from data analysis and manual review (banned for being "luckier than possible") rather than faceit's anti-cheat actualy catching cheating software good enough to be undetected for big parts of his career.

[@kuma4891]

for each breath of fresh and relaxing video there are infinity of brain seizure inducing soundtracks in other videos...

[@McDonnerbogen]

donk is next 😈

[@mediumplayer1]

Bro was walling on major

[@Frogesh]

YOOOOOOOO I AM IN THE VIDEO LETS GOOOOOOOOOO BIGGEST ACHIVEMENT OF MY LIFE 😊😊😊

[@avoidknightmain]

is that the guy that played for Insilio team like 3 years ago?

[@Ne0S0ft]

Hey I know this ain't the place to discuss this right now, but what was uhhmm, wonderful_y's blue smokey steam background called, anyone here know peeps?

[@Keystoney]

Ink - The Debut Collection

[@Get69Rekt]

I'm not even playing any other CS than source anymore but I still watch your videos bc I really like your style. You seem like a person one could not dislike. And your videos are made so well, with some chuckles here and there. You could read me dictionary

[@ThatsMySkill]

i kinda wish the reasons for a ban were accessible to everyone. theres so much speculation in cases like these and theres really no use in keeping this private imo. if you cheat, you should be shamed.

[@emilgebl8644]

No idea why faceit haven't gone out and said anything. I think it's very unprofessional to event comment at first, but then not follow up on it or anything.

[@TheN1hilist]

a lot of times devs stay quiet about reasons for the ban to make sure the cheat devs dont know what got them caught so in theory this makes it harder for them to patch the cheats to become undetectable again

[@ThatsMySkill]

@@emilgebl8644 for real. the dude could say anything at this point. just put the facts on the table man

[@ThatsMySkill]

@@TheN1hilist eh i think thats a dumb reason. they dont have to be specific about it. just say "used external software to gain an unfair advantage" and it would be enough.

[@martinszymanski2607]

​why? you just described how every cheat program works, this is a pointless statement in the context of a cheating accusation @@ThatsMySkill

[@masterofallclasses7287]

10k matches that dude has no life outside the game...

[@Frogesh]

No pros in anything has Life outside their craft. Newton for example was completely obsessed with physics. Ronaldo is another example. But also w0nderful_y earning money prolly from salary and faceit cash while cheating so its free money lmaoo

[@Nova32x]

​@@Frogesh lmao you did not just compare a faceit nolife to Isaac Newton

[@Frogesh]

@@Nova32x I compared pros with issac newton. The obsession bit. I compared Wonderful_y with a corrupt politician

[@Hesgamein]

🍎

[@thatcooldudeisawesome876]

This guy has more hours than the pros bro

[@_penguins9916]

Number one in Eu and Na both getting banned is crazy

[@ThornySnailPictures]

I was recently thinking of trying out CS2 (I played lots of 1.6 and CSS ages ago) but not with this cheating situation lol

[@de_dan]

Thats really embarrassing

[@chairwood]

wats ur pfp

[@johnhank6721]

@@chairwoodgreen girl

[@chairwood]

@@johnhank6721 ok thx

[@zanmacarol7926]

Well idk… back in 2016 one of my account got vac banned and i suspect it was because i tried to inspect my custom made skins in-game by changing some of the game files (a tutorial showed me how to do it) and I forgot to launch the game in safe mode… so getting banned by vac doesn’t always mean someone was cheating.

[@0ZeldaFreak]

As I wrote under the video about VAC and kernel access, you won't get pro cheaters this way. There are 3 groups of cheaters. The ones that cheat obvious with public or private cheats, the ones that use private cheats and don't get noticed but use the same cheats as the obvious ones and then the really private ones. Overwatch is for the obvious cheaters and VAC is to catch the 2nd group as well. A big misconception is that other anti cheats can ban right away. This would only be possible if the cheat is known. Before that its just collecting tons of data. Sure kernel access allows more tracking and it can track a lot. It could happen that you build your own HID (human interface device, eg. keyboard, mouse, controller) but use a chip that is not that well known and you use it at the same time, you do kills. Depending on how the anti cheat is set up, it might ban you. It just sees inputs from an unknown device and it might make the wrong connections. When you cheat at a high level, software can't see the difference if you control your stuff or a piece of software. The hardware already exist and is publicly available. Obviously it's not marketed this way. When a lot of people would know about this, this would ruin a lot of stuff. Cheat makers don't want this and anti cheat makers don't want this. Anti cheat makers make money with anti cheat software. They want cheaters and they want to let everyone believe, that anti cheat is the solution and can catch everyone. Just think a minute about this. Would you pay for a software, that doesn't help? No. Anti cheat with kernel access is spyware. This is a fact. They will tell they aren't interested but can you be sure that they don't give others access? You might not heard it but the US want to tighten section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Faceit and ESL aren't US based but Valve is. People are scared about China and Russia spying but what is with the US, that openly admits that they doing it?

[@internetbestfriend]

This is why people should really understand how cheating works. They think it's spinbotting or obvious examples... But the true damage are the ones exploiting it to defraud the esports/competitive scene. The faceit/esea anticheat, and the Vanguard AC are more intrusive, but are flawed and bypassed, but because of the survivorship bias, people think they have good lobbies, putting to much trust to the point where the cheaters get away with it, because you can say '[x] should have detected it'

[@internetbestfriend]

The cheating issue is gonna reach a dilemma in the future: 1. Have Passport/State ID connected to your account. (Already practiced in some places. 2. Penel consequences for cheating (also practiced in some places) 3. Have hard to modify consoles/machines only used for esports (potentially can be bypassed) 4. Human microchips (okay a joke, but also a possibility, maybe a webcam setup like ones uses by exams during covid) It's gonna be a mess

[@xxxzzzzxxx]

@@internetbestfriend cheating will always exist and you have to live with that, for non chronically online people this isn't a big deal, but tbh all important competitive tournaments where you have a money prize should be played in LAN

[@internetbestfriend]

@@xxxzzzzxxx true

[@bsuns123123]

@@internetbestfriend That is horrible for user privacy. It's insane to see people recommending shit like online ID or criminality for cheating in a video game. Terminally online misanthropes.

[@rusthokkey7027]

in one of your videos you've said very interesting quote - "If you can't tell if the player is cheating or they actually just good at the game, then why should you care". After this, i usually just don't care if someone is cheating or not, cuz someone just might have a lucky day.

[@cerealhit555]

Yes yes you cheat and cope

[@evankim2406]

@@cerealhit555 How would you know from just 53 words?

[@lau6438]

@@cerealhit555 You're the type of person to accuse everyone better than you of cheating.

[@ligdjumvidja8294]

You look at positive side but if you cannot really be sure if somebody is cheating or playing really well is reason why people are in this paranoid mood and desperately report. It is also a good reason quit this game because you just can't be sure if somebody cheats or not.