CS2's VAC Wave - Everything you probably know already

[@collinslogan01]

A lawyer? Cheating? I’m shocked..

[@mcaffedidntkhms]

Saul Goodman

[@ANDR0iD]

I find it hard to believe that a studied man cheats in a video game.

[@johnwinter2252]

@@ANDR0iD Different way of playing the game and a fun way to learn coding. You should try it.

[@Deductive]

They were probably a Criminal Laywer.

[@larssmallbone]

​@@johnwinter2252That's like saying that robbing supermarkets is a different way of shopping and a great way of learning stealth. What a moron.

[@methanolfortheblind]

Anticheat isn’t a permissions issue- never has been. It’s a resources issue. Valorant has kernel-level anticheat. So does Escape from Tarkov. Invasive access isn’t the magic wand that people think it is, and Valve knows it- client-based anticheat has always been a contest of manpower. These machine-learning based approaches have the potential to squish cheaters regardless of the specific technical method they use, freeing companies from the massive expense of the treadmill and freeing consumers from the indiscriminate all-seeing eye of corporate-sponsored spyware. Unfortunately, it’s also a nascent technology, and Valve seem to be the only ones willing to invest in its development.

[@firstLast-jw7bm]

I love how intelligent comments are never near the top

[@trinkeslato9598]

Most people dont care about a potential anticheat when the game has been infested for almost 10 years at this point.

[@fergalhennessy775]

This is a terrible answer, ml is a black box and cheaters will always be able to say “i just always play like that” vs matching the signiature of known cheats which are impossible to argue

[@E92Harold]

EFT doesn't have kernel-level does it?

[@emiliodelgado2146]

Tarkov has kernal ac?? wtf is it doing in peoples pcs? cause it's obviously not banning them lolololol

[@theminecraft4202]

i think sax offender is one of my favorite tracks from philip

[@simoncollins69]

it slaps

[@xanderplayz3446]

oh please no please don’t tell me you are talking about the pink radio mystery song

[@theminecraft4202]

@@xanderplayz3446 ?

[@WatchmanEvan24]

I misread the op's message so badly 💀

[@k90v85]

​@@xanderplayz3446huh?

[@WayStedYou]

imagine cheating and still only having a 51% win rate

[@sakesaurus]

well you don't necessarily become a perfect player by cheating. You settle on a level where your poor gamesense makes you lose more than win due to cheats

[@crashniels]

Probably lost to better cheats

[@dinosharttt]

true

[@fr3gl3ss54]

Just had a Match with 2 WH cheaters who where are as obvious as you could be and they still lost.

[@zeus000.00]

That's just how matchmaking/premiere works (in theory). Unless there is literally no one better than you, the system will always try to find opponents on your level (within region, ping etc.)

[@rake483]

Meanwhile in Team Fortress 2, cheating bots spin like a top, have a headshot accuracy of 100% and KD of 100:1, but VAC still doesn't see any suspicious behavior.

[@leonardo9259]

TF2 is dead

[@wojtylawinkorgawryluk]

@@leonardo9259 say it to 14th most popular game on steam

[@IAm-zo1bo]

​@@leonardo9259how

[@CyberRAWRfareXD]

Bro has a computer and still decided to post the dumbest comment ever. :/

[@OriginalCatfish42]

​​@@leonardo9259 no its not 😂 And play on custom servers, not quickmatch. I have never met a cheater on lets say Skial servers and if so they are banned in seconds.

[@nat_sukashii]

the clip going from 0:34 to 0:57 (hi Caboosing!) is majestic! So much so I had to rewatch it to listen to Philip's voice. EDIT: the new music around 4 mins or so sounds like a Sim music on 2x speed, love it! (I still can't focus)) Begone cheaters!

[@Mari_Kross]

This is the most painful to watch Counter Strike clip I remember seeing on the Internet

[@42kitter]

that is literally the funniest cheating clip i've ever seen. what a silly way to expose wall hacks.

[@eddysteady3354]

1:43 BEC guy he's a wallhacker too. didn't you find it strange to have that amount of precision + prediction just from hearing?

[@tankfire20]

tf2 with 4+ years of cheater bot infestation

[@Jackfromshack]

Valve: "-he probably talking about Titan Fall 2"

[@JohnSmith-sk7cg]

As a non-CS player, the most shocking thing about this video is that Valve removed the community server browser in CS2 for this very reason (among a myriad of other reasons relating to community and modding culture).

[@yellowskrub]

TF3 in 2030 won't have any bots, my time traveling buddy says so

[@cj-3810]

I don’t think TF2 fans deserve attention lmao. But that’s my opinion.

[@SkjesRed]

@@cj-3810 why?

[@WaiGee_]

Really hoping valve does this game proper and doesn't let it rot like they are for TF2, and i say this as a TF2 player

[@hexakon]

On the bright side (or maybe copium), if this goes well for CS2 then they might be able to use the same tactic for TF2

[@WaiGee_]

@@hexakon definitely copium, valve has shown 0 interest in TF2 for 7 years now and even before that the interest was waning really badly. They've even said so, (I don't quite remember who it was, if it was uncle Dane or Tyler mcVicker) that they have nobody at valve working on the game and no plans on dealing with the bot crisis. I don't ask for much, just for valve to have the game playable and pray they don't treat their other games as badly as they did ours.

[@stefan-x9g]

tf2 is dead, get lmaobox.

[@fraizie6815]

TF2 NEVER had the same prospect as Counter Strike has. Counter Strike is easier to watch, pick up and understand for newbies which partly explains the high player numbers, anyone from pro to noob can pick up the game and understand you plant bomb and pew pew enemies

[@Cara.314]

TF2 also never had quite the playerbase and e-sports attention. CS is a very long standing series that has withstood the test of time. so it makes sense they put more effort into sustaining it.

[@farkrits]

If only they did the same for TF2: the bare minimum.

[@ieatthighs]

this is not a bare minimum, they would have to train their ai on another game, do you know how complex this is?

[@lupusexperience]

Trust factor never worked properly. My account is from day 1 of steam, never been banned, I'm a good and respectful teammate and still then I get matched with new accounts? This is just making a clown of me.

[@evankim2406]

Do you have prime? What rank are you?

[@kipchickensout]

i also got matched with new accounts but i never got matched against anyone that i thought was cheating for the past several years...until after CS2 beta that is

[@wittywolk]

If you're good, people will just report you and that'll lower your TF. I have 20 pages of comments on my profile of people calling me a cheater, I don't want to even think what would my TF be if I was still playing.

[@dadqqader]

It's easy to make such claim without knowing deeper knowledge such as your behavior and how often you play, for instance. You could be absolute shit at the game, don't play comp as often, or just being toxic in general and that'll explain why Trust Factor doesn't 'trust' you.

[@RedRiverCAE]

Same, 10 year old accounts across my 5 stack, approx. 25k hours between all of them, all generally well behaved beside the usual trashtalk, lots of money spent and not one ban across the entire lobby. Our enemies: 100 hour spinbotters on accounts low accounts x)

[@or6060]

when will they put vacnet in tf2 to ban 80% of the playerbase?

[@alins4629]

Tf2 is dead game. Nobody cares about it

[@Amin-dd9mk]

Chances aren't 0. They did update the game once or maybe twice last year if I'm not wrong.

[@effyiex]

@@alins4629 I dont care but neither is tf2 dead

[@or6060]

@@alins4629 you got tauntkilled 1 too many times

[@alins4629]

@@or6060 i dont even know what a fck is that

[@Levi_OP]

Don't worry Phillip, there are people who dont play cs at all anymore but are still interested in what is going on in the scene! In other words, I didnt already know!

[@21A_]

This ban wave is a much needed start for the end of cheaters

[@Vict0ry_Cs]

ive played 6 games today, 5 games full of ragespinners. 1 match got cancelled because vac detected a cheater but still. almost unplayable rn... sadly

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

that will never happen

[@lightlezs7048]

There is just not going to be an end, come to terms with that.

[@XxZkilzxX]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j you stand on the wrong side of history child

[@laurentiuprodan5663]

Wake up, the game is free2play and as long as it stays that way cheaters will come and go as they please.

[@sandvicheatfresh]

0:58 but not for tf2 cries in bot crisis for 7 years

[@MsZsc]

I want day of defeat 2

[@immortalsun]

*4 years

[@temboi32]

*screams in team fortress 2*

[@TobyTopF]

*cries in TF2*

[@justdakotamusic]

I said this months back and ill say it again. Im choosing to trust the process. CS is my favorite game of all time and the fact that Valve is still working on polishing the experience has me thrilled.

[@Thrall966]

You are huffing copium . It’s been 10 years of valve polishing. Csgo was infested with cheats . Faceit made the game playable . Valve doesn’t want to give 128 tick , faceit did. Now valve is forcing subtick in half assed game that’s filled with cheats and you die behind walls after peeking . But sure trust in the process . For me it’s only been going downhill since 2014 and faceit was a temporary band aid until valve decided to reveal the wound

[@Creepernom]

@@Thrall966 I dunno, I found the game very playable. Played it for years and never once touched faceit. I also feel like a lot of people who talk about 128 tick servers don't actually understand why they're supposed to be better, and why they aren't widely used in games. Apex runs at 20 ticks and it's entirely playable. It's low enough that it can cause some issues, sure, but 60 is more than fine, and subtick is honestly a really good system from what I've seen and experienced.

[@CrazyWS]

Well said. Valve surely takes their time, but they're not stupid.

[@chelly3190]

@@Thrall966you are looking at the past with rose tinted glasses if you think the peak was 2014 lmao

[@Faaire1]

@@Creepernom you can't be serious... what rank are you?

[@DanielBerthellemy]

I have bookmarked few dozen steam profiles of blatant spinboters I encountered 3 months ago before I quit playing. I am glad to announce that none of them are banned by VAC or banned at all.

[@skyfisherlp6675]

Pretty much same

[@collaide]

Nice! Now they should try to ban the blatant spinbotting BOTS in tf2. Tried to play yesterday but every server had cheaters joining constantly and spinbotting around like there's no tomorrow.

[@leonardo9259]

TF2 is dead

[@collaide]

@@leonardo9259 people have said this for 10 years

[@spacebassist]

@@leonardo9259 you're under every comment that mentions tf2, there's better ways of getting attention. the existence of the tf2 community kills your bait. try getting something better

[@wojtylawinkorgawryluk]

@@leonardo9259 say it to 14th most popular game on steam

[@theworldofdio]

@@wojtylawinkorgawryluk Only 20k real players XD

[@darksars3622]

Ok but when is this going to be on tf2?

[@rfwm]

"Good job Valve so when is this coming to TF2?" Valve: "Dota Dota Counter-Strike."

[@leonardo9259]

TF2 is dead

[@wojtylawinkorgawryluk]

​@@leonardo9259 say it to 14th most popular game on steam

[@Nova32x]

​@@wojtylawinkorgawrylukno one is home it's all bots

[@rfwm]

@@wojtylawinkorgawryluk it's bait don't fall for it.

[@fatfingersman]

dota is dead

[@AutismusMaximus1]

It's cat and mouse, but eventually it will be so hard to do it and so expensive because of it will fade away, but for this to happen, there needs to be a strong and persistent effort to end cheating.

[@anas_voice_over]

This is very random, but the music Philip uses genuinely scares me, especially the synth stuff.

[@shigekax]

It's his music, and he has addressed the issue in the past And cheekily decided to keep using it 🙉🤓

[@anas_voice_over]

@@shigekax oh that's very cheeky. Still tho. The music. Very uncomfortable for some reason

[@shigekax]

@@anas_voice_over idk honestly I've always liked it, I hope it doesn't bother you so much so that you stop watching !

[@V-95K]

For some reason his music makes my nostalgia active 😅 the worst offender was that one soundtrack he used when he was going low in csgo and in those videos he was remembering days of the past in CS:S… oh my god, that one just made me sad and nostalgic

[@spurka8837]

​@@shigekaxwait, it's his? I actually really like it

[@catfree]

Can we get a full render of the thumbnail minus the laptop? it makes me happy

[@DiamondFire]

the music in this video is insane

[@thizda]

4:13 what usually happens is people create new accounts, wait a few years, grind trust factor/experience/rank on said account for a while then sell said account. They usually grind a handful of accounts at a time making $100s per account selling to cheaters. This is a problem in a lot of games.

[@MightyGames7]

Finally, playing Premiere now feels heavenly.

[@3dtom]

On god

[@Schmidddyyy]

Man you'd believe the sky was purple if someone told you it was. Premier is still 90% cheaters.

[@kraken8458]

i can promise you that youre playing with closet cheaters on a regular basis still

[@TENNOM]

doubt

[@hestonsverige]

i had 3 cheaters today already so far from all hacks are gone

[@люмиафина]

btw a lot more bans ("overwatch convicted" ones) just dont show up on steam profile so i dont think they are counted.

[@AustinH7]

Would be pretty cool if valve could just ban all the extremely obvious bots in team fortress 2. A valve employee could literally just play tf2, spot the bots and ban them in real time.

[@kachsonek]

yes but they are (from what i know) very cheap to maintain so probably making a new account, downloading tf2 and cheating software would be pretty much very easy to do

[@leonardo9259]

TF2 is dead cope

[@ReKirzyz]

​@@leonardo9259CS2 is a game with no personality, cope.

[@wojtylawinkorgawryluk]

@@leonardo9259 say it to 14th most popular game on steam

[@renownedoutlaw]

"vac is actually doing something" *cries in tf2*

[@RoofusRoof19]

Only if this happened in tf2

[@pyroman7196]

“As a lawyer” clearly not a good lawyer

[@soniK_]

Boston Dynamics should hire the cheaters and have them program those robots to be IRL spins bots. That would be sick

[@CatsMeow_]

This might just be me, but I don't really want to be shot in the face by a spinning robot.

[@soniK_]

@@CatsMeow_ L take

[@johnrosim]

there might be a small issue.. boston dynamics has already agreed to not weaponize their robots

[@kachsonek]

@@johnrosim meh

[@idrisnobody]

These cheaters buy cheats from some website. They won't know how to program anything. Heck, most of them actually suck at using the cheats they bought.

[@Duckly97]

People think it ends with ring-0 ACs, but as cheaters are moving away from software, so too will ACs and require cameras or other specific AC-approved hardware to play certain games. Kinda like how HDCP, but for gaming. I'm glad Valve doesn't follow this, no doubt an AI is going to hallucinate sometimes, but kernel-level ACs are also doing that. As long as those people get unbanned relatively quickly it's not a huge problem. And obviously they wouldn't go kernel-level because of Linux (although I wouldn't be entirely against a black-box Valve-built kernel _specifically_ for high-level esport gaming, because on Linux you can actually switch kernels)

[@RubenTheCartographer]

The music was a little too much for me, especially around 3/4 of the video. Was hard to concentrate on what you were saying, which I really want to do because I enjoy your videos so much!

[@ethhics]

I really want to see CS2 succeed, since I actually enjoy it, not more than CS:GO for sure, but it is fun to play. These updates Valve has been doing give me hope that CS2 won't get the TF2 treatment, at least not yet

[@qu1253]

Is it even worth trying to get into CS2 as a new player? I've heard matchmaking is completely unplayable because of cheaters, and I'm nowhere near good enough to compete on FaceIt.

[@PunzL]

​@@qu1253If you're a new player, you won't be high enough on the ladder to face many cheaters but do expect to meet one from time to time

[@finmin2k]

@@qu1253 if you enjoy the gameplay then absolutely. people overstate the number of cheaters and for most players it's not a huge issue. cs2 is continuing to be updates and that wont stop anytime soon

[@laurentiuprodan5663]

​@@qu1253Not it's not and it hasn't been since it went free2play back in 2018. Up to that point they had to pay their way back in so they slowly gave up that's why the player count went down. After that no consequence whatsoever. They get banned and within a few min they're back in with a new acc. New players have to choose between sweats and toxic players on faceit or cheaters on Valve's servers. For your own sanity go do something else. CS takes time to master and at the moment it ain't worth it.

[@evdestroy5304]

CS2 literally just came out. TF2 is ~17 years old. Of course, CS2 won't get the "TF2 treatment."

[@Schmidddyyy]

Hey all, from the UC forums it seems this was just a major P2C supplier and a few smaller hooks that used similar methods getting hit. Hold the celebrations.

[@Mauld]

Nope this is a feature/unusual behaviour ban.

[@Schmidddyyy]

​@@Mauld Yeah, but you seem to not know what that means. I'm literally on the forums they use to discuss development. This is a P2C getting hit. The feature / unusual behavior you're referring to is a feature in a popular P2C. This also grouped in a few smaller hooks that have said feature.

[@reallydontlikethem]

Must be bot comments regurgitating only the headline and ignoring the content of the story

[@Schmidddyyy]

@@reallydontlikethem The CS community will parrot anything at face value good or bad.

[@grigorecosmin]

Yup. People actually think they did something about cheaters while in reality they added a few server side checks. It's actually funny how Valve does the bare minimum and people think we are saved.

[@Votexforxme]

few days later and i can say no the cheater problem didnt change much in the lower ranks of matchmaking, Source is my friend and screenshare.

[@city6291]

Most accounts being banned being from 3 years ago makes sense. That's when operation riptide happened and many people used bots to farm accounts with prime status and also to farm cases from the opoeration at the same time.

[@DavidWTube]

2 months later and it's still a systemic issue. Valve doesn't care.

[@CoolSs]

Let's hope more Valve games use this

[@leonardo9259]

Oh my, what an interesting COUNTER STRIKE 2 VIDEO, i hope i get to read a lot of INTERESTING comments with NEW information about COUNTER STRIKE

[@Arrgesh1]

F you Valve for letting TF2 rot with cheaters as long as knife sales in CS are better...

[@christofferore6285]

Its probly the tf2 cheaters and player base moved over to cs to protest hahhaha

[@leonardo9259]

TF2 is dead

[@Hesus_]

imagine still playing tf2 in 2024...

[@IAm-zo1bo]

​@@Hesus_any better game?

[@Hesus_]

@@IAm-zo1bo valorant for one, and I don’t even like valorant 😂

[@somnvm37]

one thing that people don't understand about cheaters is that people assume they always cheat, but in reality they could turn cheats on only like every 5th game, and out of those games only every 3th would have any serious blatant cheats, the rest would just be help and program assist. also ban waves have a problem, someone might've downloaded a cheat, and would be using it for months already, and then they randomly get banned. They'd feel like there's much less conection and the problem is that the wave happened ranomly, not that they could instant punishment for what they did.

[@Infisrael]

I feel like Valve is going to use this data to bring bots back when someone leaves or gets kicked and is being assigned a trained ai from the average skill group that is on the match, if that is even possible. Wouldn't make bots this useless.

[@litarea]

Theyll never bring bots back. Encourages toxic behavior. *In my opinion

[@flooku987]

​@@litareayou are made of stupid

[@twanheijkoop6753]

​@@litareabots could still be used for leavers.

[@potatoes5829]

@@litarea why?

[@litarea]

@@twanheijkoop6753 potentially yeah. I think it would still incentivize toxic people to troll teammates into leaving on their own anyway. The toxic do ruin everything for the rest of us

[@FoxSnootz]

You should do a video on which main menu background scenery lags the game the least when booting up counter strike/end of match return to menu. You might think it's just Dust II but they've added sandstorm effects that attack your cpu/graphics card while they struggle to load millions of polygons in only a few seconds

[@casualpooter1826]

So when does tf2 get the same treatment

[@brahimskender1785]

when it reaches 1.5 million peak players per day, that's the problem with Valve

[@shukky3960]

🥺😭

[@blitzgerald]

when you stop giving them money

[@DrJigglebones]

that is uh, quite the obvious AI thumbnail huh? I mean just look at that laptop screen lmao. and the wave. and the umbrellas in the treeline, the... wooden chair? by the nearer umbrellas. I do appreciate you still edited in one of your trademark lens flares though. I do wonder, is this two AI images stitched together, one for the laptop and one for the beach, or did you manage to make it spit this thing out as-is?

[@puzzlepuddles6712]

if only tf2 had ban waves...

[@luk4323]

There was one for bots 3 days ago

[@jamesbrendan5170]

touhou is fun!

[@leonardo9259]

Dead game

[@luk4323]

@@leonardo9259 shut up do you even know what dead game means it's when 100 or less are playing the game

[@wojtylawinkorgawryluk]

@@leonardo9259 say it to 14th most popular game on steam

[@Alex-xl4xe]

Yes, we people of Linux love Valve for what they are doing for not having invasive malware anticheat. This is the way to go.

[@shotya9403]

So when tf2 getting a vac revamp?

[@FitchInks]

Isn't it also, that some Accounts are restricted from playing, but not VAC banned yet?

[@Frost_Trow]

4:00 extremely pervasive mosquito distraction

[@blitzgerald]

made me laugh

[@lurchi1326]

Hey Pilip, i have to say that the music after 1:55 is kind of annoying, not thats its bad, its just distracting as backgroundmusic

[@knasiotis1]

with AI there is also the issue of false positives, how do you prove you didn't cheat in such cases?

[@knasiotis1]

@@3kliksphilip I completely agree that some people will definitely grift and claim they are innocent (they already are as you mentioned). AI models are inherently probabilistic, so there is no model without some percentage of false positives, this is why it is more tricky than it sounds. Your video and reply to my comment assumes the necessity of good customer assistance to accompany those methods. Sadly, this is not always the case, a prime example being bans on social media platforms where they rely exclusively on those models to cut on costs. All in all, I agree that AI tools can help improve VAC contrary to kernel nuclear solutions, what I just wanted to point out is that maybe the AI should be one of the 'experts' amongside other detection algorithms, I hope that it does not end up the main detection tool. Not arguing against you, just adding a little bit of nuance!

[@Hesus_]

@@3kliksphilip Valve do NOT reverse VAC bans, unless you're a pro or very famous.

[@blitzgerald]

only a hacker worries about false positives

[@thezasw]

Dude what the hell is that background music, pls fix!

[@XAMEREN]

"I'm a lawyer" if he was, he wouldnt mention it, because that makes him look stupid. what is valve supposted to do with the fact that hes a lawyer? they can ban whoever on their site

[@ynelcs]

Also important to point out that many of the bans are just infinite "global cooldowns" meaning that they do not appear on the profiles. So even if you see a blatant cheater account that hasn't been banned yet, they might not be able to play the game anyways.

[@intensitydiamondgamer4993]

They do, they appear as "Game ban". VAC Ban and Game Ban are two separate punishments, they however produce the same outcome.

[@ynelcs]

@@intensitydiamondgamer4993 They do not appear as game bans either. From an outside perspective some of the bans are completely invisible

[@edyslavico3761]

valve is not showing most bans on profiles to hide stats from cheat devs, it has been confirmed.

[@intensitydiamondgamer4993]

@@edyslavico3761 Well in this specific case yes, it might be hidden, but Global Cooldown usually means Game Ban

[@Markm8]

Now can we take this and move it to tf2 and let f2ps talk

[@leonardo9259]

Dead game

[@Markm8]

@@leonardo9259 blocked

[@gugga2745]

philip someone from a game i played in february got OVERWATCH BANNED like 40 days ago. wtf does that mean

[@noscopesallowed8128]

Glad they've made it this far without kernel level anti cheat. Hopefully it stays that way

[@Unknown_Genius]

I honestly don't think Valve will ever utilize a kernel level anti-cheat themselves. While kernel level is good to be able to detect kernel level injections (loads of ban waves, but fast fixes for cheat makers) they're mostly the exact same otherwise. Also while I do prefer non-kernel level myself (for the obvious reason of the risks associated with giving kernel access to anything) I don't mind using them either way, mainly because anything can spy on me either way without it (the one thing everyone try hard pushing against it is failing to notice), only annoying thing will be clean installing anything if one of the kernel ac providers ever manages to get exploited.

[@cooperwolfden]

I don't think they'll ever be kernel level because it will ruin Linux compatibility (can't trust the kernel if I can just recompile my own) which makes the game unplayable on steam deck and proton

[@noscopesallowed8128]

@@Unknown_Genius I do admit it is slightly hypocritical to assume all the other junk on my PC isn't harvesting my data or providing backdoors into my systems etc. But the point here is that not putting up a fight now means it becomes a guaranteed problem later. Give an inch, they take a mile. Kernel lvl anticheat is only one of many things I actively try to avoid as well. I guess its more of a principle thing.

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@noscopesallowed8128 Definitely a principle that indeed is noble - while I don't have that on kernel ACs I do have that for single player games where devs try their best to prevent cheating or even injection of any tool that slows down the game for people who may need it due to disabilities (so absolute pointless cases of measures taken), which I still don't get why precisely that has become a thing and why it has gotten so popular. I personally just hate that 99% of the complaining about it is due to "the risk of spying", usually by people that play any game while being on an admin account either way with important info on their system (so those that don't take security serious either way unless it's a kernel level ac).

[@Ajee02]

​@@noscopesallowed8128I think society moved way past the point of no return man, they already have that mile and a couple more, why not just give them one more inch if it means better service?

[@Ghostcod6879]

Cool but is it gonna come to tf2?

[@polygonvvitch]

I wonder how the absurd floods here in the south of Brazil that hit the state's capital have affected CS2 player counts. Surely it must've lost at least a solid 10k players from the region because you can't really queue for ranked while a cataclysm is going on outside (and invading your home too).

[@subtlewhatssubtle]

Cheaters only get what half of they deserve. In the ancient Olympics, the judges used to scourge-whip anyone found cheating.

[@JanVP1]

In TF2, for some time now, cheaters started wearing their expensive/unusual gear because they know they won't get banned. Let's hope Valve fixes not only CS2. Also: I'd love for them to distribute the locked inventories - Robin Hood style.

[@djblrhaaaaa]

is the music you used for the video is IA generated it is totaly random.

[@grqfes]

hey man can you please stop using ai for your thumbnails it shows your age

[@BicirikBey]

2:06 Turns out Valorants anti-cheat is taking pictured of your screen every frame and it recently got hacked and a lot of peoples passwords are in hackers hands, and not just Valorant passwords, Steam, Epic Games, KZbin and all other stuff that needs you to create and account and make a password.

[@NullNoctem]

This is interesting, maybe in 3 years the game will be 99% playable, atleast i'm having fun with source 2 hammer, btw have you made a playable map on source 2?

[@evankim2406]

Yes, in the cs2 smokes video you can see one of them.

[@NullNoctem]

@@evankim2406 indeed, but i was thinking of a map, more to the competitive side of cs 2, not just for testing things inside the game

[@evankim2406]

@@NullNoctem Well, there's none that Philip has shown.

[@C..J]

phil's always enjoyed mapping so even if he hasn't shown anything yet he's probably cooking something

[@evankim2406]

@@C..J Perphaps...

[@somnvm37]

*cries team fortressly [90% of the time official servers are completely unplayable, it's been like 5 years by now]

[@kipchickensout]

maybe that vac ban site isn't so useful if you consider the new ban wave didn't show the bans on the player's profiles

[@floatas2121]

Trust factor is not working. Since cs2 release I have been matched with new/smurf accounts every game. Which was not the case with csgo.

[@joeygoll6233]

talk bout that tf2 bot issues

[@evankim2406]

Not that kind of channel.

[@Jackfromshack]

@@evankim2406 mentioning Valorant but cant allowed to speak about Gabe forsaken TF2, sure bro

[@BanditLeader]

The bot issue is massively blown out of proportion tbh. Yeah sure there are a lot of bots, but they don't effect or ruin games because the players kick the bots as soon as they join; which means they dont exist long enough in the match to impact it. And theres some third party program that community servers are using to automatically kick bots and known cheaters

[@Jackfromshack]

@@BanditLeader you lying, or you are playing exclusively on North American servers. There are more bots than people in Europe and Australia, except for prime time. The only time you can try to play is in the evening, but even in this case, 60% of the time you will do for free the work of an anti-cheat that does not exist, instead of playing the game. This is not normal nd not fun. NA is not a indicator

[@Ajee02]

Imma be real no one really cares about TF2 which is likely why he doesnt talk about it. Valorant is just a good comparison to CS2 which is why he often talks about it

[@xxreal_gamerxx]

gabe busy getting ripped

[@rachmanfachri]

As a lawyer who cheated his bar exam, I find this unacceptable

[@0Blueaura]

Philip, I've played a game of premier at 10k level, 5 premade enemy team of 10 to 15 years olds, with one blatant trigger/aim cheater. We tied 15/15 and the enemy was on negative score except the cheater who had 75/19 score, he still isn't banned after a week has passed

[@2wheels2]

what if when a player gets banned and their inventory gets frozen, their items get sent into the game as free random drops

[@2wheels2]

@@IssaMeZane they could make it non marketable nor tradable. in essence, taking a bad players useless skin and giving it to someone who can use it.

[@marlon.8051]

​@@2wheels2that would still make skin prices go down, if someone has cool skin for free they wont buy the cool skin even if its untradable and valve wants most amount of money

[@2wheels2]

@@marlon.8051 mayhapps

[@tfolz1351]

now I know why the cheater got banned now when I last fought him 2 years ago

[@l3en.]

Pretty sure they could abolish cheaters with an accurate enough server side AI. Spoken to a fair number of cheat developers (not necessarily for cs), who don’t expect cheating to be prevalent for too much longer because of AI. One guy even predicted this 3 odd years ago, a fair while before the AI upgrades of recent.

[@sety5591]

do they talk about why an obvious spinbotting can get away when the user input is basically looking down, spinning, and occasional shooting?

[@Kaneki-jz4nj]

@@sety5591 because they probably needed a lot of data of how those spinbotters worked to serve to the ai and fine-tune it to only ban those who meet the criteria, and that takes some time

[@l3en.]

@@sety5591 I mean, they tried it and had people banned for cranking their DPI to 64k then spinning in circles. It’s more complicated than it may seem.

[@Unknown_Genius]

they honestly won't. they'll catch everyone that plays obvious enough, the better closet cheaters will always remain tho - and those are the ones that are willing to put a ton of money on the table for a good cheat one way or the other already.

[@l3en.]

@@Unknown_Genius I think you missed the point of the whole improvement on AI. Also closet cheating past a good AI would be almost impossible thanks to human error. Or it would be at the point where it wouldn’t even be considered cheating as they can’t move off the information the cheat provides, or accomplish aim and reflexes with enough human inconsistency but at the same time simulated skill, that makes it pointless to cheat in the first place.

[@MyNameGog]

Logged on to CS for the first time in awhile yesterday and was met with a "A player you reported has been banned" message. Gabe is good 🙏🙏

[@blitzgerald]

I'm gonna log in just to see this :D

[@qunas101]

Making a kernel anti cheat is just escalating the cat amd mouse game. You get unreasonable access to player's PC while cheating is still very much possible. I can only imagine that down the road this escalation will lead to sending an employee to your house IRL to monitor you while playing

[@blitzgerald]

I wouldn't be opposed if it meant no hackers ;)

[@Siafk]

AI has deleted billions of reviews on Google Maps which is called over blocking. So if Valve starts using AI to detect cheaters, many players that don't cheat will be affected...

[@evankim2406]

Great video chapter names, Philip.

[@Mynamewashere]

Can someone please tell me the name of the song that starts on 0:33 ? It's in almost every video, but I wasn't able to find it.

[@sourcelocation]

Kaboosing

[@some-replies]

4:00 Sounds like a mosquito in my ear. I'm fan of "alternative music" but that's just noise.

[@Surepeacooler]

Is the sax offending you?

[@blitzgerald]

you shut your mouth!

[@user-ot8wl7oh9s]

I love the song in the background is that new?

[@AvocadoAfficionado]

Valve always gets things done. (Except Ricochet 2, DoD 2 and Artefact 2)

[@wydua]

I am honestly glad that steam does not use kernel level anti cheats

[@NKorru]

tf u mean with that???

[@yanec2501]

They "fix" VAC for CS but still let TF2 rot. Dissapointing.

[@NoName-qx6tc]

0:56 how do I get my screen to say “Terrorists Win” after I won a round? Mine always says “round won” for both sides

[@kachsonek]

its because he is in spectator mode

[@Oncey]

Counter Strike 2 seems like a far step back but this is a good first step forwards.

[@Evercreeper]

What

[@gamingmarcus]

I think people underestimate what a jump in hardware we had between the JohnMcDonald talk and today. For reference: in 2018 when this GDC talk was given AMD had not even released Zen+ yet. Skylake was only out for a year, offering a whopping 28 cores on the most expensive (10,000$+) Xeon platinums. Compare that to the currently available Epyc lineups. Valve may really just have been limited by the silicon of their time (or at least not justify building a new datacenter with millions of investment cost just for cs)

[@GreenSwede]

Over two thousand HPC nodes operating in unison should be more than enough for their usecase I feel, I don't think 2018 hardware is going to be an issue.

[@gamingmarcus]

@@GreenSwede It may have been enaugh for csgo Overwatch, but not for high tickrate demos or even live match analysis

[@GreenSwede]

@@gamingmarcus The powerpoint slides states that they had twice the amount of actual necessary resources for CSGO just so they could future-proof it for CS2 as an example which was not announced yet at the time of the presentation.

[@MURINEg]

this time he used some really good soundtracks that i would really want to know their names , especially this one 3:35

[@Sandwichr]

It's at the very bottom of the description, in the "More from" section. Song is Sax offender - 3kliksphilip

[@MURINEg]

@@Sandwichr i only saw the first video there and thought that that was it , thank you mate

[@MURINEg]

@@Sandwichr he made that ??? my man is on a whole another level

[@kaitek666]

music at 2:40 fits perfectly and I think it's the first time I spotted it. and great vid as always

[@metaloph1l]

How does AI/Machine Learning help in this regard? Such an approach is probabilistic in nature meaning it does not provide conclusive evidence (just a certain amount of probability a given player is cheating). How much probability is enough? 90%? 95%? 99%? Any ban based on this evidence can be contested, especially for cheaters that are not quite as blatant to detect via Overwatch & when large sum inventories are involved. AI's a nice gimmick, but it won't fix the situation.

[@AthosRac]

That's why the ban do not show in their profile....

[@BanditLeader]

If you get banned by the AI, you can appeal. But to appeal you have to prove "without a shadow of a doubt" that you weren't cheating. And of course we all know what happens when cheaters try to prove they weren't cheating

[@whoami13__]

Fixing the situation would require kernel access and hiring a team of very clever people just working on updating the AC full time. They will never do that, valve never cared about AC, they are only doing this not be accused of doing nothing. I guess they are out of ideas because already tried this AI thing and didnt work but hey now it can finally detect spinbotters, only took 7 years. Hopefully by 2035 it will be able to detect wallhackers too

[@BanditLeader]

@@whoami13__ kernel level won't do anything. It ain't the messiah. It's not more effective than nonkernel

[@whoami13__]

@@BanditLeaderI literally said there needs to be a team of engineers working on it full time. Has for it not more effective.. lol you need it, without kernel you wouldnt be able to detect any cheats hiding above user space cause thats memory you dont have access to read

[@Drewstir68]

4:20 I believe people buy steam accounts with a few levels and medals because it’s actually cheaper than making your own and buying cs. A buddy of mine bought an account with a few medals and hundreds of hours for 15 bucks, makes it no so obvious compared to a fresh account

[@Bluelightzero]

I think until cheaters are prevented from just spinning up new accounts and continuing, then this is all pointless.

[@windolite]

Then just get banned on the new accounts

[@xpdatabase1197]

How exactly would you do that. Ip ban, get a VPN, Hardware ban get a Virtual Machine or spoof your hardware ? There is no way to track someone who changes their hardware and ip without an investigator trying to track the person or spyware that looks for patterns the user does with his mouse on his computer and what he searches for on the internet, what accounts he's logged in to on other websites and so on.

[@Bluelightzero]

@@xpdatabase1197 ID checks obviously. Make it optional. Allow people to queue for checked-only. Don't want to have you ID checked? Then suffer playing with the cheaters. Also deals with the smurfing issue.

[@xpdatabase1197]

@@Bluelightzero Mhh didn't think about that, i guess that would work.

[@Arcana_Veritas_EN]

@@xpdatabase1197 You just make it more annoying for the cheaters. The more hoops they'll have to jump through to be able to cheat, the less people will be willing to do that. I don't think there are many people who would continue cheating if they'd be forced to create a new account every 5 games they play.

[@LucaRuggier]

Your speculation in the video regarding cheaters who stopped playing before the vac wave took place is TRUE. There are accounts that got banned due to cheating before and not after the update that mentioned overwatch.

[@gentleman2292]

yesterday i got 5 leetify notifications saying 7 people i played against got banned, yippee 🎉🎉

[@arghpee]

Even though I never cheat or play multiplayer games anymore I always check my profile after a giant VAC wave