1 Timothy 2:4 - "desires all men to be saved" Comprehensive Exegesis

[@jewishbride5010]

Father God, thank you so much for loving all of us to want to be saved! In accordance with this word and 1 timothy 2:1-6, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I bind one to desire all to be saved from hell and come to a knowledge of truth in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ while binding to hell every lack of desire all to be saved from hell and coming to knowledge of truth, binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone not desiring all to be saved from hell and not coming to a knowledge of truth, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah ❤!

[@alihoussney7870]

Mr. McCLarty, while I am a 5-point Calvinist who agrees with you that 1 Timothy 2:4 is not talking about all people who have ever lived, you still need to understand something about the will of God. God's will takes on different forms, not just what He has decreed. He can desire something in one sense and not desire it in another sense. Act 17:30 commands all people everywhere to repent so when it comes to God's of will of disposition, He does want all people to bend the knee. God also has a prescriptive will, namely His law. Be careful not to tilt your theology towards Hyper Calvinism.

[@alihoussney7870]

Also Ezekiel 33:11 says that God does not delight in the death of the wicked, so obviously the Lord is not pleased with people perishing eternally.

[@jeremynethercutt206]

8 If I say to the wicked, O wicked one, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked person shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 But if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, that person shall die in his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. 10 "And you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, Thus have you said: 'Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we rot away because of them. How then can we live?' **** Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel? (Ezekiel 33:11, ESV)****** 12 "And you, son of man, say to your people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him when he transgresses, and as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall by it when he turns from his wickedness, and the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins. 13 Though I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, yet if he trusts in his righteousness and does injustice, none of his righteous deeds shall be remembered, but in his injustice that he has done he shall die. 14 Again, though I say to the wicked, 'You shall surely die,' yet if he turns from his sin and does what is just and right, 15 if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16 None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him. He has done what is just and right; he shall surely live. 17 "Yet your people say, 'The way of the Lord is not just,' when it is their own way that is not just. 18 When the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it. 19 And when the wicked turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he shall live by this. 20 Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." (Ezekiel 33:12, ESV) So let me ask you, do we want fair? Do we want judgement? No we deserve condemnation and God has the right to send us all into hell and would be righteous and just doing so. But GOD, in his patience long suffering and perfect attributes altogether , saves to glorify the savior Christ Jesus who redeemed and delivered a people to himself as God said he would do. We can’t take a verse standing alone and push our thoughts into it, we have to read the whole passage and see why it was said and in what context and to who and when , it’s not a God of our own understanding, it is as he has revealed himself , all holy and perfect , we are creatures, created and have done wrong rebelled and children of wrath of the devil BUT GOD, rich in mercy regenerates his own and grants them faith and belief and repentance

[@jeremynethercutt206]

That’s true, but we are ALL WICKED, we have to realize that

[@alihoussney7870]

@@jeremynethercutt206 Ezekiel 33:11 is talking about those who die in their wickedness and unbelief. God justly sends them to hell but he is not pleased with their eternal perishing.

[@mikeschaller9233]

Do you not realize that you are preaching a different Gospel? You misunderstand scripture.

[@jeremynethercutt206]

Not at all, this is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the power of God. God saves, we can’t save ourselves, he grants us faith by regenerating us giving us a new heart I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. I will give them a heart to know that I am the Lord, and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[@sketchbook1]

Yet another man who spends time, energy, and bible exposition to prove that God DOESN'T LOVE EVERYBODY.

[@aletheia8054]

God said he doesn’t love everybody.

[@wolfwatchers]

God wills for All to be saved and all are in the fullness of times! study 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 Romans 5:18-20 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, Titus2:11 For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people. colossians1:20 and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. 2 Corinthians 5 :19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. John1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 1John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 timothy 2:4 God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 timothy 2:6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 1 timothy 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. then if its ok to change meanings of words like all!!! we can see in romas 5:18-20 the many are All , how many of the many were made sinners, every man woman and child born since adamn ! how many of the same many will be made righteous??????

[@aletheia8054]

It says “all the martyring”. Those are the specific people it’s talking about in first Timothy.. those are the all men that they are praying for that were preaching falsely in the church, who God wants to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. It’s a synecdoche.

[@apostasiaelegcho5612]

From the most used Lexicon in academia; the BDAG: β. w. a noun in the pl., without the art. πάντες ἄνθρωποι all people/men, everyone (Lysias 12, 60; Andoc. 3, 25; X., Cyr. 7, 5, 52, Mem. 4, 4, 19; Demosth. 8, 5; 18, 72) Ac 22:15; Ro 5:12a, 18ab; 12:17, 18; 1 Cor 7:7; 15:19; 2 Cor 3:2; Phil 4:5; 1 Th 2:15; 1 Ti 2:4; 4:10; Tit 2:11. πάντες ἄγγελοι θεοῦ Hb 1:6 (Dt 32:43; cp. Demosth. 18, 294 πάντες θεοί). Clearly the effeminate male in the video simply makes up his own definitions.

[@aletheia8054]

It’s a synecdoche. Like here.. Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. It doesn’t mean every single person on the face of the Earth . Obviously.

[@apostasiaelegcho5612]

@@aletheia8054 Totally dependant upon the structure of the verse. Greek is a polysemy language. There are multiple definitions for a word.

[@themasterscall2426]

Synecdoche - a part represents the whole

[@aletheia8054]

Exactly