10/22 .22LR A Good, Better and Best Comparison with Kidd, Shilen & Green Mountain barrels

[@delles1548]

As an old man, I have to say we had old school 513T's and others that shot in the .2-.3's way back when. I still own one of those old 513T's, and with CCI Standard, it still shoots 50yd groups that are completely covered with a dime. Heck, I have an old Remington 541 that shoots 50yd groups in the .3-.4's, and even with CCI MiniMag HP, it stays in the .5" and below. An old friend of mine had one of the last years production 513T's, and in the 1980's, we drilled and tapped it for scope mounts, added a 6-20x target scope, and it was an exceptional prone match shooter. Also, we used that rifle for "bottle cap" competition, which was shooting white plastic soda bottle caps at 100yds. Years ago, I bought a Green Mtn 20" bull match barrel for my 20 year old 10/22 stainless 22" rifle, hand inlet the barrel channel, completed a trigger stoning, added a 6-9" bipod, and it shoots every bit as good as most modern high dollar builds I have seen. At that time, the barrel was around $89.

[@RimfireSS]

That’s awesome!

[@russelldoughty506]

On of the things I do when I shoot groups is dial up or down a half mil after I confirm my zero. That way I'm not shooting a big hole into my point of aim. It has really helped shrink my groups since I'm not floating my point of aim. Great videos man.

[@RimfireSS]

Ive been thinking about doing just that, thanks for the advice.

[@Quality_Guru]

Totally makes sense. I seen where iron sight shooters use a six o'clock hold so they can see their target at distances. For shooting paper, this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing.

[@marianiurea6217]

Your honesty is most welcome. A lot of people think that spending thousands on a rig will make them better shooter. Get the proper ammo if you want accuracy not the cheap bulk pack. You will be surprised what a $350 rifle can do.

[@RimfireSS]

Absolutely

[@Chuck_Carolina]

I had to sub to your channel because you take the heat that comes from the 10/22 fan-boys. Don't get wrong, I have a 10/22 too, and I started playing with them in 1987 before all the after market goodies; and the goodie today are great! But..., let me tell you a story: I got out of the Corps in 1986 and moved back home in So. California where all my friends were into fire arms, and .22 were no exception; people had kids and everyone had .22 rifles along with every fire known to mankind. I was the first guy in our circle of friends to buy a 10/22, a 'Deluxe Sporter,' at that time. I also found a Winchester 52B target rifle in a local pawn shop with no sights. It was set-up to use Redfield Olympic peep sights, which took some time to find back then. Over the years that 52B has beaten more kids with their hopped-up scoped 10/22's then you can shake a stick at - they just can't wrap their heads around how an open sight rifle can beat them. At any rate, I got to playing with that 10/22 in 1987 and came to the same conclusion you have come up with - the 10/22 platform can only achieve a certain level of accuracy, and you can not spend more money to wring anymore out of it regardless of the depth of your pocket. In 2015 I walked into the local gun shop and saw a 10/22 model 1150 - Dang, it was the same thing I bought in 1987! I missed that old rifle, so I bought it and did just what everyone else does today - put all the goodies in it. I put Kidd guts in it along with his single stage trigger and Tech Sights on it, and it is still only a minute of beer can rifle at 100 yards. The fun factor is off the charts with the 10/22, and I don't miss a dime I gave to Tony Kidd. I have always been an open sight guy, but to each their own in the 10/22 world. This rifle brings back more memories than I swat away with both hands. Now, about two years ago I ran across an article about Al Freeland's Tack Drivers, it was mostly about his BSA Martin rifles; I about fell out of my chair when I saw my Winchester 52B in that article that I bought all those years ago in that pawn shop; I paid $425 dollars for it and have about $675 total into it. I have since been able to run down documentation that Eric Johnson barreled the action for Al Freeland and who the rifle was made for out of Uncle Al's shop in Rock Island, Il. And to think that a little 10/22 purchase sparked so much passion in me about the shooting sports. I hope you pass this passion on to others better than I did over the years. Good luck on you channel, and I look forward to seeing more content from you. I am still working on things, and have more to say, but enough is good enough for now. On to the next Caper,

[@RimfireSS]

Welcome aboard glad to have you my friend!

[@keithkircher1782]

I appreciate the comparison video, all my builds have the same methodology applied. The "name recognition" equipment is not important to me whatsoever but I do appreciate the "fit and finish", if you can "budget build" equipment that performs as well as "high dollar", why do so in todays economy. To clarify... my term "budget" does not include inferior quality equipment. Analysis type work is required to attain budget quality that performs.

[@RimfireSS]

And that Analysis can get expensive all on its own. Especially if you get a turd you can’t return.

[@malcolmgary1086]

AGAIN... I compliment you on your presentation style... to the point; informative; visual/audio effectiveness.

[@IndigoBlues-dt7ob]

Thank you so much. Very informative for us new to 10/22 and wanting to save money, while being tempted by high end stuff for what was supposed to be a budget build!

[@RimfireSS]

No problem. Sometimes quality boils down to fit and finish. But I’ve been finding with some manufacturers they have the fit and finish but there off on some key measurements that hinder accuracy and longevity.

[@gronthomson]

Excellent review! Trying to decide on Kidd vs. less expensive. Just plinking and reducing the squirrel population. I can afford both. Thank you!

[@rsmoz]

What did you go with?

[@gronthomson]

@@rsmoz, Summit Precision!

[@rsmoz]

Interesting, how did you get to that decision and how happy have you been with it?

[@donniepowell7146]

I’ve got Kidd and Green Mountain barrels. For the money it’s hard to beat the Green Mountain barrels.

[@RimfireSS]

Yep, Love the Green Mountain barrels. Thanks for Watching

[@scottnj2503]

Good video. I built up a stock Ruger 10/22 with Green Mountain barrel, upgraded Ruger trigger on Magpul stock. Gave it to my Dad (near 90 years old) shoots MoA-1.5MOA groups at 100yards. I then built a Kidd, reciever, barrel, bolt and 2 stage trigger which I consistently shoot MOA - groups at 100 yards. Fun firearms. But like you seemed to have experienced. Both are ammo sensative.

[@RimfireSS]

For sure. Then there’s the deformation that happens with some magazines. That upward spring pressure can play hell on the rounds even before they get to the chamber.

[@knine8154]

Did the same thing as your dads with a KSA barrel, stupid accurate for a $600 build even with the cheap KSA

[@emmausroadjourneyman3530]

Great Video! My "budget" gun wears a shaw heavy barrel ($100). It is my 2nd most accurate rimfire behind an anschutz 1712 silhouette. The accuracy surprised me because it was a pretty loose fit into the receiver- so much so I would shim it if it didn't shoot consistent .25" 5 shot groups at 50. My Green Mountain sporter contour barrel is also very accurate- .3-.4" groups at 50yd That one I had to put in the freezer to get it to insert into the receiver.

[@RimfireSS]

They make adjustable Vblocks so you dont have to shim. they work well too.

[@zacharyfelkel7924]

I got one of those v blocks and the Shaw barrel x2 and beyond good results. Almost same hole at 50 if I do my part with both barrels on 2 different rifles. Cascade ammo from grafs. I’ve have the best results with that but it shoots great with other stuff too.

[@Jesse-le9bh]

Thanks for this video. It has helped me understand my CZ MTR barrel. Blessings

[@joe-dp3ng]

I found out what you just did 20 years ago. After putting together a dozen or so 10/22 rifles over the years I stopped using money to get accurate and started using my brain. Also keep in mind that nobody has been able to tell me why one day I shoot pool and I make almost every shot an a day or two later I can't win a game to save my life. It's all about hand eye and brain coordination. People shoot one time with one type of ammo and judge It. So have fun chasing accuracy for the rest of your life people and keep your wallet handy. Ps Annie Oakley could split a playing card in half without a voodoo.

[@RimfireSS]

We all have our days thats for sure.

[@michaell397]

Is it just me or was Annie Oakley one of the "Hottest Women" who ever walked the planet! KnifeMaker

[@bobbygray496]

We are on the same page to not spend a lot to get great accuracy! I have blued match bull barrels on my 2 accurate .22 LR "barking bitches"! I spent as little as possible to get great accuracy. The Shaw barrels cost only $129 each on sale (Bentz chambers). Arken scopes are great for the money, Magpull and Titan stocks are great also. I did have to drop some money on the Kidd receiver and triggers. Ain't life grand!!!!!!!

[@CompShooter54]

I just found your channel and I subscribed. I totally agree with what you say about the cost vs. accuracy dilemma. First some background about me. I have been shooting for 58 years, used to own a gunshop, did some gunsmithing, am a Grandmaster in Steel Challenge shooting Rimfire Optic. Enough about that. About 20 years ago I was at a gun show and decided to buy a Butler Creek blued steel heavy barrel for my completely stock 10/22. The guy I bought it from said "you will hate this barrel". When I asked why he said "because you can't miss with it, it is that accurate". He wasn't wrong. With doing nothing else but putting the barrel on, and using RWS Rifle Match ammo, with a Tasco 3-9 scope, I was able to consistently hit push pins at 50 yards. I am not a rifle novice, I shot 3 position rifle using an Anschutz 1813 rifle for many years. It is my feeling that all of the accuracy is in the barrel, and once the bullet is in the chamber, the rest of the gun is just a way to get the bullet there. Fast forward to today. As I said I shoot Steel Challenge at a high level, and built 2 guns for that sport. I started with 2 10/22's that are about 50 years old, and the only non-Ruger part I added was the barrel, which is a Tactical Solutions X-Ring 16" Aluminum sleeved version. I deburred and polished the inside of the receiver, polished and did some bolt mods, reworked the stock trigger for a 1.25 pound pull. It's amazing what you can do with a little knowledge and some hand tools. I am into the gun for $50, the barrel for $200 and a dot for $39. The stock is "stock" as well with some modifications. And that's it. I am routinely beating the guys with $1,500 guns. In this sport it is the reliability combination of the gun and ammo, it has to go bang every time you pull the trigger. In 4 years of competition, and many thousand rounds shot, I have only had one malfunction and it was a dud round. I have shot a variety of different ammo after testing for reliability, and have settled on CCI. It groups well and always fires. Just recently I updated the dot to a "real" one that is brighter and doesn't was out on the white plates. If you want to see how I built this gun and what mod's I made, check out my channel, Al Frangipane, or click on the green dot to the left. If it works, the link is below. Being a mechanical engineer, and past gunsmith, I always try to do things myself before buying stuff. I understand that not everyone has the talent to work on guns, and I also have limitations, but I get much more satisfaction making it myself then buying. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKiYdoagrJmerK8

[@RimfireSS]

I'll check it out.

[@joecitizen6046]

About ten years ago I took my sons factory stock Ruger 10/22 and made it into a tack driver. I bought a Green Mountain 20" fluted blued barrel and a Hogue green stock through our local gun store for about $150. Since I bought it through them, they threw in a trigger kit that normally would cost about $75 but they hadn't sold any and they gave it to me so that I could come back and let them know if it was easy to install and whether it made any difference in trigger pull. The kit was fairly easy and it brought the pull down to about 3.5 pounds. But nowadays you can buy a 2.5 pound trigger pull Ruger BX trigger drop in for about the same money. I have done about a dozen builds since then and the BX trigger is the way I go; I recently bought one for only $64.99, but mostly they are selling around here for about $80. Anyway, the first build I did was my sons and only cost $150 above the cost of the gun but I figure with inflation, I could still do that for about $250; it would be about $275 since I have come to appreciate the skeletonized charging handles that cost $25.

[@RimfireSS]

You better start looking at prices my friend. That 20” GM barrel is about $200 now all by itself. It’s nuts.

[@damingrail3655]

Have a KIDD 24" barrel and Kidd trigger but in stock receiver. Love it. I put mine together one piece at a time. If I was going to drop the kind of money on a super grade I think I would go with a Bolt gun. But for now NRL22 I am sticking with my KIDD build.

[@RimfireSS]

I did the same thing, probably could have bought a super grade barreled action for what I have into my Kidd rifle.

[@johnmcchesney5155]

Check out Beyer Barrels in Tacoma WA. Small shop does amazing work. Used one of his in a build for my grandson and couldn’t be happier.

[@brhoffer7]

Green mountain stainless 920, butler creek stock with built in bi pod sticks, volquartsen trigger job at 2.5 lbs, and my BSA sweet 22 sniper scope. I also set my head space at .042 . .25 moa at 50 yds. You are literally putting the majority of the shots in the same hole with cci ammo

[@jimdavis1124]

Thanks you for the very good video. All there rifle are very accurate. For your next 10-22 build have an accuracy gunsmith thread a good action with tight class 3 threads for the barrel to action fit. My Ruger action was threaded by my friend that taught a 10-22 gunsmithing class for the Colorado Gunsmithing School a number of years ago. It is very accurate with a tight Benz chamber. I bedded it into a wood Ruger Sporter stock. The only additions are a Kid 2 stage trigger, some unknown stainless barrel and a brass tuner I made. See Day at the range Turkey Challenge for target and rifle photo. Philip’s experience was that a threaded action and barrel with a good chamber will out shoot a rifle with a standard Ruger barrel attachment. There are exceptions. Reference: Harold R. Vaughn’s book “Rifle Accuracy Facts”. Less barrel to action movement during firing. Thanks. I really like your videos. JD

[@RimfireSS]

Thanks JD, from now on any 10/22 build will be built with the Powder River Precision receiver set. It has a thermal fit for the barrel and it’s tight. Saves having to go to a gunsmith and with there recoil spring being on top instead of on the side, that setup provides the smoothest action on any 10/22 I’ve ever had, even after 800 rounds with no cleaning. It’s very impressive.

[@bradbeam7254]

I always like to see that. I have a green mountain barrel on mine as well.

[@RimfireSS]

Can’t beat the accuracy for the price.

[@Youdoneedmyname]

WTF would you say cheap and expensive but not say the value of each? That makes no sense at all.

[@jeffhall5909]

I would highly suggest you check out the ABRA (auto benchrest association) I have a 10/22 benchrest gun created by Joe chacon… accuracy is all about ammo and learning the quirks of your magazines.

[@alanlurie8675]

Thank you. I really appreciate the video.

[@RimfireSS]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@someguy9607]

Ammo sorting, different barrels, after-market bolts - all these are mostly esoteric, after $100 all 22lr barrels are just the same accurate - just good, perfectly straight barrels, ammo, trigger, optic and the most important skill means much more there.

[@rossarnett8079]

Love the videos Don, keep it up. Where are you located? I’m assuming North of Missouri?

[@RimfireSS]

I’m in Michigan

[@22guru]

I agree totally my kidd SG with hunter x is not as accurate as my brn-22 Volquartsen Inferno chassis kidd 20" barrel Kidd 2 stage build

[@RimfireSS]

I think these 10/22s with a barrel nut are probably somewhat better then your standard 10/22 with a vblock. But as long as that vblock upper has a thermal fit like the brn22 and a KIDD barrel do there just fine.

[@donegotold8776]

Like to see the same guns and ammo at 100 yds !! In my experience that's where groups generally start falling apart !! JMO

[@RimfireSS]

KIDD actually just warranted my barrel. Wasn’t up to there standards. I asked them for a un fluted barrel this time. Shoots much better. 100 yard videos to follow.

[@jeffstephenson4156]

I think they all shot well. Almost as good as my Volquartsen rifle

[@RimfireSS]

They did all shoot well, especially considering the Green Mountain barrel at $130 vs the Shilen at $380.

[@jeffstephenson4156]

@@RimfireSS the shooter has something to do with it also. You definitely did your part!

[@RimfireSS]

@@jeffstephenson4156 thanks Jeff

[@ronkorsch1464]

How about a follow-up video with these three rifles and SK Long Range Match at 100 and 200 yards. "The new SK Long Range Match is the perfect choice for demanding .22 LR enthusiasts routinely acquiring targets out to 100 yards and beyond." From this video you've demonstrated that the Budget 10/22 gets the same results as the other two, at 50 yards, but most of us will shoot longer ranges too.

[@RimfireSS]

I actually have videos shooting each of these rifles at 100 yards. But not all on one video. I’ll give it a shot. Haven’t had much luck grouping 10/22s past 150 yards. But, good idea I’ll do it. Thanks for the input!

[@ronkorsch1464]

@@RimfireSS Thanks, I'll see if I can find your 100 yd videos. Just seemed to me that if they are so close to the same at 50 yards, should you ever spend more for a 10/22 than the Budget gun for any range?

[@RimfireSS]

@@ronkorsch1464 the fit and finish is better on the more expensive stuff and it cleans up way easier as far as lead and barrel fouling. But if you have more time then money that’s the way to go.

[@hawkeyeinthehouse2995]

I've got 2 modified 10/22s. One I built from scratch with pretty good name brand companies parts from Midway that were REDUCED or CLEARANCE priced. Then the other one was built from possibly even better companies (most of the parts are NOT LABLED, all I had to do is mount a decent scope. I'll let you know later how they do. Unfortunately I had a FIRE at my house in my BEDROOM at 3 am and I'm spending most of my time fighting with the insurance company and it's not smart for me to have my TOYS where I'm living while I'm waiting for the insurance company to cough up MONEY for me to FIX MY HOUSE.🤔😯😳😵‍💫😩😖😡🤬😮‍💨

[@RimfireSS]

Man, sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out as fast as possible. I hate insurance companies.

[@LintonHorton]

Wonderful video!

[@rsmoz]

Why single stage triggers on a precision build? I thought 2-stage was generally preferred for slow precision fire. (I’m trying to figure out what I want in my build)

[@RimfireSS]

All depends what you like, some people need the low weight of a two stage to get a good squeeze some people don’t. I prefer single stage but as light as I can get it. I prefer no pre travel and I like a glass like break, you get that kind of trigger more with a single stage. All in what you like, everyone is different.

[@Quality_Guru]

Thanks for sharing your rifles with us. It gives us a goal standard to shot (pardon the pun) towards to. I have a wooden stock Ruger 10/22 Takedown that I had a lot of fun modifying it on a budget. I installed the KIDD "Trigger Job" Kit and it made a big difference. I installed other parts that enhanced the operation, but not necessarily it's accuracy. It's great to perform your own "gunsmith" work on in inexpensive rifle and make it better than it was.

[@RimfireSS]

10/22s are fun to modify for sure.

[@johnd513]

Great, well documented comparison of the 3 rifles’ accuracy. I wish you would have actually discussed real price ranges for these guns instead of “budget, expensive and really expensive.” In the end, this didn’t help me so much.

[@RimfireSS]

It really isn’t hard to go online and check the prices for yourself, when I made this video prices were going crazy and are about 30-40% higher then they were. If I would have priced things out not only would my wife had been mad at me , but im sure people that got way higher pricing then I bought them for wouldn’t have been so happy either. It’s not hard to go online and get pricing, i showed you how it performs for that price, isn’t that more important? Jeeze…

[@pitts3219]

What’s your feelings about the KIDD now since they sent you a replacement barrel? Thx

[@RimfireSS]

The new barrel shoots great, and the other Ultralight barrel I have from them is a tack driver also. Definitely do not be afraid to buy a KIDD anything. They make great products.

[@chuetouaher1160]

I’m very interesting watch your group shooting. It’s very accuracy. I like it a lot. How much the cost to build one or how much if you sale one?

[@RimfireSS]

A build would range from $1000 with a less expensive optic up to sky’s the limit.

[@Sha16rad11]

Is the shilen still your favorite on the market?

[@RimfireSS]

@@Sha16rad11 actually no, all the match barrels shoot about the same. Shilen I have is not my best barrel.

[@CompShooter54]

You mentioned that you would discuss the cost of the guns, but I didn't catch it if you did. You only say low, middle, or high for the pricing. Are you willing to release the real cost? I have a good idea based on the components, somewhat.

[@RimfireSS]

The only one I’ve actually kept a good track of is the “budget” rifle and that’s about 700 without the scope and $1000 with, I’d say the Shilen with the Kidd Trigger, better stock and barrel probably around $1650 and the KIDD around $1800, but that’s a guess.

[@CompShooter54]

@@RimfireSS Thanks, for the fast reply. I'm checking out some of your other videos right now. Great channel, keep up the great vids.

[@RimfireSS]

@@CompShooter54 if your not already Subscribed please do!

[@CompShooter54]

@@RimfireSS Done, the channel and content are great and to the point.

[@RimfireSS]

@@CompShooter54 thanks Al

[@keithkircher1782]

This type of analysis works for ammunition also! The tube (barrel) you've selected doesn't apply name recognition to group size.

[@RimfireSS]

Absolutely, I never get hung up on name brands anymore. But, with a reputation like what KIDD has you would expect something more for your money. Although the inside of the KIDD barrel is absolutely impeccable, the Green Mountain not so much but they shoot exactly the same and that’s what matters. Will the GM barrel last as long as the KIDD? I believe it will as long as it’s cared for. I have never spent more then $11 for a box of ammo either. I set a price on what I want to spend on ammo and try everything in that price range and below. And I’ve never had a problem finding something that shoots.

[@bearbeau13]

Have you tested or have any plans to test the Black Rain Ordinance 10/22 line?

[@RimfireSS]

I have not, but I’m not apposed to it. I’ll reach out and see if they will send something for testing.

[@bearbeau13]

​@RimfireSS I have 2 and they are great, would be great to see your results I'm the midwest vs southwest. Ask them for the proof barrel model as well. Thanks for posting great vids.

[@bearbeau13]

In the midwest*

[@markroth9667]

I like your content Would you be interested in doing more reviews? We introduced the Luth-ar MCA-22 chassis for 10/22s. Would love to see what you think of it.

[@RimfireSS]

Sure, hit me up on my email at [e-mail], and I'll give you my address.

[@RimfireAddicted70]

Shoot n see pasters are never a good target. Save them for the kids on fun day. You lose your aiming point and anything after that is just waste of time and ammo. Heavy stock paper on a solid backer always gives the cleanest holes for measurement. Nice channel overall, great content!

[@georgecolee7663]

Send that Kidd barrel and receiver off to Randy at CPC he will get more accuracy out of it. My 100% factory Ruger 10/22 target model shoots 1/2” ten shot groups with CCI green tag every time after his tune up. I haven’t found any match SK, Eley or Lapua locally to even try yet. You should be getting 1/4” 5 shot groups from a Kidd setup judging by the ones I’ve seen in action.

[@RimfireSS]

Kinda over the KIDD. It’s so ammo picky it’s pathetic. It won’t Run the Eley SABR reliably at all, when it gets cold forget it. It will hardy run SK when cold. I’m gonna send it back to KIDD for some work, the amount of money it costs I shouldn’t have to send it to CPC, it should shoot out of the box.

[@georgecolee7663]

@@RimfireSS It’s worth spending another $150 on it Randy’s chamber is the perfect compromise I think.

[@RedNeck_Rimfire]

Do a video on cleaning your 10/22

[@RimfireSS]

Which one?

[@RedNeck_Rimfire]

The cheap one

[@RimfireSS]

@@RedNeck_Rimfire the budget 10/22 or Ruger RPR bolt gun?

[@RedNeck_Rimfire]

@@RimfireSS 10/22

[@eFISHancy]

Great video!

[@RimfireSS]

Thank you

[@robertwatson818]

What is the diameter of the circles?

[@rstlr73]

How do you like the Arkin scope ? Been thinking about pulling the trigger on one , pun intended .

[@RimfireSS]

Arken scopes are hard to beat for the money, and you don’t feel like you settled for a budget scope. The EP5 and the SH4J definitely punch above there weight class.

[@davidyummus6259]

Fun video but I took my standard 10-22 to the range today before I plan some cheap mods & I was hitting round after round into a 3 inch post at 100 yards with Williams Peep Sights & my 55 year old eyes so that isn't a bad place to start.

[@robertwatson818]

least expensive would indicate price "over the counter" as bought. Is that correct.?

[@RimfireSS]

@@robertwatson818 what else could it mean? I’m confused.

[@dylanforney780]

This video is Gold, thanks for your honesty. Sent you an email I wanna build the budget model.

[@north4961]

Great video! What are parts for the budget build?

[@RimfireSS]

Look at my videos, I have one dedicated to that rifle and it has all the information you need.

[@north4961]

@@RimfireSS 👍 Found it after I wrote the above. Thank you! 🇨🇦

[@SlimJimAaron]

So I’m looking into building my first 10-22. I have a few I have bought but my main question would be on the receivers. Should I spend more money on the bolt and barrel as compared to the receiver? As in a Brownells receiver compared to a Faxon or VQ receiver

[@CompShooter54]

I see that no one has answered you yet, so I'll jump in here. I built 2 Steel Challenge rifles based on 10/22's and every part is stock Ruger except the barrel, and both guns are 50 years old. Stock receiver, bolt, trigger group, and stock, all which had been reworked by me. The trigger breaks at 1.25 pounds. In many thousands of rounds fired in practice and competition in the past 4 years, I have only had one malfunction, and it was a bad round (misfire). Before I built these guns - 20 years ago - I installed a Butler Creek heavy steel barrel, and with RWS Rifle Match ammo, I could hit the heads of push pins at 50 yards, every time. And that was with a very old Tasco 3-9 scope, stock trigger with a crappy pull, and "stock" stock. As long as the gun functions, in my opinion, the barrel is the most important, a good trigger next, then the glass. I don't think the stock adds anything, as long as it fits the action properly. If the receiver is loose in the stock then you should bed it for a tight fit. Check out my channel for the build of this gun. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKiYdoagrJmerK8

[@RimfireSS]

Sorry man, for some reason, when i log into KZbin from my computer i found way more comments. The barrel and Trigger are probably where you should spend your money. Find a receiver you like the looks of and go with that, unless you want a rear tang bolt, then its KIDD that has that capability. The Krg Bravo and Victor Titan have tang bolt in capability as far as the stock goes. i prefer the KRG.

[@IrishKnacker]

Off topic but what rear bag are you using? Thanks

[@RimfireSS]

I use a couple different ones, I use a gameChanger for some stuff but I just bought a Protektor Model Rabbit Ear Rear... www.amazon.com/dp/B006MGB13Q?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Which I really like for group shooting. It’s just more solid and gives a path for recoil. Gives a real solid sight picture .

[@rhodesoflife]

Got a breakdown on the budget build? Ive been wanting to build a 1022 for a while and ice debated on just getting a super grade but this is peaking my interest!! Inwould appreciate it 🫡

[@RimfireSS]

@@rhodesoflife hard to beat a SuperGrade. I can get u 10 percent off if you decide to go that route. Use code 22rsskidd. When I made this video I was trying all kinds of different manufacturers parts. While this rifle does shoot great it has presented a few issues. I’ve had to replace the Brownells bolt with a Kidd. Light strikes. The GM barrel takes twice as long to get clean as it is not lapped like a Kidd barrel. The rifle was quite reasonable when I built it but the prices have really gone up on everything. It’s not that much more to build a Kidd at this point as they haven’t raised there prices all that much. And the quality is so much better. I gave a break down at the end of the video I made on this rifle. I’ll get u a link.

[@RimfireSS]

@@rhodesoflife kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-9qZh8ntV1jbMsi=P7ZUsfKu_6bz7uP4

[@charliehanks7293]

So how much are they?

[@RimfireSS]

My wife watches these videos and reads the comments, so..... no comment. lol

[@jonwhite1479]

Not a 1022 anymore, does it say ruger anywhere on it?

[@RimfireSS]

I never said it was a Ruger, it’s a 10/22 pattern rifle. Why would you buy a Ruger when you can put together a rifle exactly the way you want it with parts that are of better quality and refinement?

[@XrayxRich]

The scopes you used cost more than all the rifles combined. Try that with a Bushnell or Burris 3x9-40.

[@RimfireSS]

Why would I handicap myself with a hunting scope when I’m shooting for precision evaluating the accuracy of a rifle?

[@XrayxRich]

@@RimfireSS - Oh, I see. What is your magnification? I didn't realize my 3x9s weren't suitable for bench. I was on a budget. My build: Ruger receiver, Kidd bolt & guide rod, 20" Green Mountain .920 barrel, 1 1/2 lb. trigger in a Hogue stock. I'm shooting 1/2" groups at 50 yards. It out shoots my CZ-452. Thanks for the videos.

[@thomaswalther8460]

How do Remington Thunder Bolts do?

[@RimfireSS]

Not terrible, there better then they used to be, but not that accurate.

[@SamsSweetAndSexyBBQ]

As someone who doesn’t know much about 10/22s and the accuracy on different builds and pricing this was a huge help I was thinking I had to spend almost $2000 just to have an accurate 10/22 Would it be worth buying a 10/22 target lite? Or build on a budget like yours Thanks

[@RimfireSS]

No question I would build one, and if you want to spend alittle more on a trigger do it. Build what you can afford and not what Ruger thinks you can afford. Rugers quality on 10/22s is not that great.

[@lmbear]

I'll take a Kidd barrel every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Mine shoots better than what was represented in this video. It will even shoot the cheap Federal automatch into smaller groups than this video showed. I know Tony Kidd laps and guarantees these barrels personally, so I'm skeptical of something being wrong with your set-up. Receiver may be stressed in that stock, or scope rings not torqued properly, or just the nut behind the butt.

[@RimfireSS]

Lol, this is funny. It’s like people don’t listen. I said I have lot tested ammo for this rifle, that does shoot better then the SK used in the video. But I wanted to use the same ammo in each rifle to be fair since the GM budget rifle wasn’t lot tested. Tony Kidd guaranteed 1 moa at 100 yards and it does that. But so do the others at half the cost which is my point, for instance Kidd charges $400 for there 2 stage trigger and it feels great, but it didn’t beat a $65 ruger trigger. Does it feel better, yup, is there the utmost care taken in the build quality and design, yup but it didn’t show any improvement in the group size when everything is apples to apples. Funny thing is the weather had the most to do with the groups. .22 is just a tad unstable when it gets cold out, and if you have watched the Budget build video you seen that that rifle actually shot the same SK shot in this video at a .272 at 72 degrees. So I’m not surprised you Kidd barrel shot better then in this video. Lol

[@larryfoster2227]

I am using a Fedderson barrel and get results as good as this video with Federal bulk ammo but the damn barrel costs as much as a stock 10-22.

[@lmbear]

@@RimfireSS What's "funny", is you found out the barrel was bad, just like I told you, sent it in to Kidd, and they gave you a much better barrel. Glad to see you got a good one now though. Disappointed you did not shoot the st. Patrick's day challenge with any of your 10/22's. That's alright though. Some other guys did, and did pretty well.

[@RimfireSS]

@@lmbear I was going to but I was out of my precise ammunition needed to do well in that challenge.

[@charleswinter2639]

What’s the scope used. Thanks

[@RimfireSS]

That’s a Arken SH4 on all of them. Good scope for the money.

[@gaetanvallee]

We love your video (Quebec)

[@RimfireSS]

Thank you

[@robertwatson818]

Use plain cardboard. The groups are easy to see.

[@blakemontrose6111]

This made me get a green mountain barrel and this MF’ shoots.

[@RimfireSS]

Yes they do!

[@terrybrooks2120]

I basically built the exact same rifle as your budget gun with the Green Mountain barrel with Victor stock and with the right ammo it can compete with my 457. Thanks for all you do!

[@RimfireSS]

No problem. I enjoy doing it.

[@jtmarshall]

Thanks for the comment.. been wanting to try a green mountain barrel for awhile... They're actually made in my home town .. conway, nh

[@jamesdevrees8663]

Not trying to troll you. Are there any Ruger components on those Precision Rifles at all? Once you have replaced the: - Barrel - Trigger Group - Stock - Bolt (and assemblies) - Receiver What's left that was made by Ruger?

[@RimfireSS]

It’s a ruger 10/22 pattern rifle. Don’t think many people that are serious 10/22 guys actually buy a stock one anymore. Build it the way you want it. I still have a couple stock ones but I never shoot them. They can’t hold a candle to the built ones.

[@donaldpotter3200]

Put a Tacsol 16 1/2” bull barrel on my 10/22. Upgraded to the Ruger bx trigger and a Holosun red dot. A Blackhawk axiom stock free floated stock finished the build( lol) for now😜my new squirrel gun!

[@RimfireSS]

I’ve never tried anything Tac Sol, they never reply to my emails.

[@donaldpotter3200]

I bought my TacSol barrel at the local Sportsman’s. I do know that TacSol is based here in Boise Idaho. We are a little red-neck. They might not know how to e- mail! Lol😂

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

Aim at the center and move the impact 1” high to save the aiming point

[@marcoortega8458]

You did not mention the price on your budget rifle a minue subscriber of yours and I would like to start in a low-budget can you help me with this about your price of your life blow budget

[@RimfireSS]

I did mention the price on the video I dedicated to that budget rifle. It has all the information you will need to build a great budget rifle. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-9qZh8ntV1jbM If you have any other questions let me know.

[@Brett-.22nushooter]

Would have been nice to know the cost of each setup but all in all nice video.

[@RimfireSS]

@@Brett-.22nushooter in this inflationary economy we’re in it’s impossible to predict what prices will be when you watch this video. Hell even before. I made this video almost 2 years ago and the price on everything I used to build these rifles has gone up by atleast 30 percent. That’s why I don’t put prices on my videos. Easy enough to google it and get current prices.

[@GunnyArtG]

Looking to order a barrel but green mountain says they’re not rated for subs. Why?

[@RimfireSS]

When they say subs they mean the 700 FPS stuff. All I shoot is subsonic out of mine.

[@22rimfireultra67]

Nice video. Fine job today from all three. Thanks for the effort!

[@steelthunder76]

You did not you did not mention price like you said you were going to

[@RimfireSS]

My wife watches these videos...... Lol

[@couespursuit7350]

The KIDD rifle had 4 groups under .4 and the worst group was .42, that is a level of consistency and accuracy the others did not match.The real test would be at 100 yards

[@RimfireSS]

They all shot good, pretty much the same. IMO

[@RimfireSS]

Maybe if I get I decent day soon I’ll shoot all of them at 100.

[@rsmoz]

Do you have a build/price list?

[@RimfireSS]

It has changed so much since I did this video almost 2 years ago I wouldn’t know. KZbin does not let us put prices on anything anymore, even in the comments. Pretty easy to just Google the parts to see what it would cost.

[@danielandrews7028]

Those scopes are probably north of 2lbs

[@RimfireSS]

2.5 lbs plus the mount. What’s your point?

[@dereksullins4841]

Dial up or down a couple minutes. Hold dead on. This way you don't shoot your aim point for better consistency, and you can use the shoot n see stickers with out the splatter for the groups.

[@mudsta9828]

Do you have a build breakdown of the budget rifle? I’d like to build one. Thanks.

[@RimfireSS]

I did a whole video on it.

[@mudsta9828]

Thank you, I found your video. @@RimfireSS

[@echo2003]

Nice fit and finish is to be appreciated no doubt…but accuracy is the bottom line. Good comparison

[@RimfireSS]

Actually KIDD replaced the barrel and it shoots pretty good now.

[@whitezcamaro]

Great video, keep them coming 👍

[@RimfireSS]

Thanks, and I will.

[@roccofortura2468]

How much were they`?

[@RimfireSS]

Sorry, my wife reads these comments. Lol

[@BeefaloBart]

This time around I opted for the limited Talo Light Varmint 10/22 with 20" stainless tapered threaded barrel. Stock is nice but not going to be suitable for bench use. For now since my budget is limited due to not being able to work. I used cheaper optics and bipod. And once I am able to hit the range will see how it goes. I will check the barrel to see if its free floating before I go. But what other things can I do to get the most accuracy with the least amount of money?

[@RimfireSS]

Play with the action screw torque.

[@samstone8652]

Really need Kidd’s supergrade

[@RimfireSS]

I’ve never seen one of those before. I’ve heard there very accurate. Should have just bought one of there barreled actions instead of the way I went about it.

[@1947froggy]

Did I miss the actual total $$$ prices? Thanks. subbed. I know prices vary with time and vendor, but still.

[@RimfireSS]

Yeah I didn’t put the price in the video, it’s not hard to go online and price out a build, the prices have gone up probably 30-40% since I made the video so if I had put them in they wouldn’t even be close today.

[@1947froggy]

@@RimfireSS No worries, thx.

[@kalenderquantentunnel9411]

Came across your channel yesterday just after sighting in the scope on my Ruger 10/22 Competition. Quite the coincidence and subscribed without thinking twice! You should really take those rifles to 100yds, at 50m/55yds even my humble Factory-Ruger shoots 5 in 1 ragged hole, which again supports your point.

[@RimfireSS]

It’s funny, when I first started doing the videos everything was at 100 yards and the comments were horrible. Started shooting at 50 and most people seem to like it better. That last 50 yards changes a lot and people couldn’t seem to wrap there head around how these expensive 10/22s weren’t shooting one hole groups with there match barrels. Actually most of the upcoming videos will be at 200 yards. We’ll see how people like that.

[@SEAKPhotog]

@RimfireSS That's interesting. I'm surprised folks weren't interested in 100 yard results. I'd love to see 100 and 200 yard tests. My stepson and I are shooting a Tikka T1x in an Oryx chassis and a stock Bergara B-14r, mostly at 100 yards. I'm impressed how they do even with inexpensive Norma Tac (the only half way decent .22 I can regularly get in my neck of the Alaskan woods) I've got a 10/22 I bought 43 years ago that I love and while I don't want to mess with it to try and accurize it, I am very target 10/22 curious. Looking forward to seeing if money will buy more accuracy/consistency at 200 yards.

[@RimfireSS]

@@SEAKPhotog they were interested they just thought if there rifle shot .35 it would translate to under MOA at 100. Which most of the time it don’t. Most people don’t shoot at 100 and I think they were surprised that most of the rifles were at 1” at 100. You wouldn’t believe how many people said my rigs were junk because of that. It’s just ignorance.

[@SEAKPhotog]

@@RimfireSS ah, yeah, gotcha. That had to be frustrating.

[@charlesmckinley29]

Rimfire ammo is very finicky. The further out you push it the bigger those small deviations show up on the target.

[@okiedoak201]

Wonderful video and excellent groups between all three rifles... So we never talked about price...how much ?

[@RimfireSS]

Prices have changed so much since I made this video I couldn’t even venture a guess. Easy to google the parts and price out yourself. Thanks for watching!

[@chaddfry5345]

Is the Shilen rig still your favorite setup?

[@robertbillodeaux8971]

Well, you got lucky and got yourself a good GM barrel. I’ve got one too. It’ll shoot into 1 inch (minute of squirrel) at 75 yards, but only if I feed it Eley Match. Unfortunately I’ve got 2 other GM barrels, one of which will not shoot Minute of PAPER PLATE at 100 yards no matter what I feed it. The other one, will at least shoot MINUTE OF APPLE at 100 yds with SK Standard. Both have been replaced with KIDD barrels and if I do my part, both of those will shoot less than a MOA at 100 yds. with several types of ammo. I’ve never owned a Shilen barrel so I can’t comment on it but I hear they’re pretty darn good. The main things to stress when making a video like this is: 1 - With the cheap stuff, sometimes you get LUCKY. But not very often. 2 - With the more expensive stuff, (quality stuff) sometimes you get UNLUCKY . But not every often.

[@RimfireSS]

I would get in contact with Green Mountain I’m sure they would like to know #1 they have barrels out there that are not up to there standards and #2 I’m sure they would like the chance to make it right. I have 4 green mountain barrels and they all shoot, and they shoot everything reliably, sometimes with other brand barrels they won’t feed Eley or RWS. Not a issue with the Bentz chambered GM barrels. I’d give them a call.

[@ronkay1573]

My Clark 10-22 with sporter barrel is impressive. Clark and kidd both use walther lothar barrels. Lilja barrels are impressive too. My Anschutz 1710 is my most accurate sporter.

[@RimfireSS]

Live my Lilja barrel. Just bought the 23” for another 457. I’ve got a problem…

[@ezrabrook3993]

🎯👍🏻✌🏻

[@SiliconeSword]

Do you think I would be better off with a stainless or regular Green Mountain barrel? I will be doing the machining myself for an AR22 I'm building.

[@RimfireSS]

There both good barrels, either should work great.

[@cacinaz8802]

Don, have you built a 10/22 Takedown?

[@RimfireSS]

I do have one, the bull barreled model. It shot like crap and I had to send it back to ruger twice. And every time I would take it apart it would lose zero also. They replaced the barrel and adjusted the takedown mechanism then it shot alittle better but would still lose zero. I bought a Magpul Backpacker and put the pic attachment under the front of the stock. So the rail where I have my red dot mounted is now attached to the barrel and does not lose zero anymore but I’m pretty much stuck with a red dot now as the rail is small. It works as a survival rifle but that’s about it. I’m really not that interested in the rifle anymore, it’s just not what I expected I guess, and with that new PRP lightweight build I have now that drives tacks I don’t see me gaining interest in it either. Lol that’s the complete history of my 10/22 takedown.

[@cacinaz8802]

@@RimfireSS I was afraid you would tell me that story. I got a 18.5" TD barrel from Clint Beyer (aluminum w/steel sleeve, threaded, and Bentz chamber) that shoots sub-MOA. Put a Tandemkross bolt in mine. Looking to go with the Kidd single stage trigger and a Spectre Ballistics chassis. Lastly, am considering a 11/22 receiver from Fletcher RW so it is easy to clean the bolt, receiver. So I end up with a total custom build and a second complete Takedown rifle. Should maybe just go with the "budget build" you did instead (Green Mountain barrel, etc.). Thanks for your advice and channel.

[@RimfireSS]

@@cacinaz8802 if I were to build another 10/22 I’d start with the Powder River Precision complete receiver set. There trigger is close to KIDDs single stage. Put a green mountain barrel and chassis of your choice and your good to go. There are many advantages to the receiver set and it’s actually cheaper to go that route than to build with any other receiver set.

[@cacinaz8802]

@@RimfireSS Appreciate the advice and am always looking to save what little money I have left LOL.

[@marinevet7273]

Who makes 4R Match Ammo?

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

Interesting. I got one of the first reasonably-priced mass produced aftermarket 10/22 barrels back in the early '90s (I believe it's a Green Mountain), cinched it up to the factory receiver/bolt, put a Volquartsen trigger kit in, and dropped the whole shebang into a Hogue Overmolded stock. Groups @ 50 yards are 3/8" (.375") with several different types of ammo. I know that the recent variety in available receivers, bolts, chassis, and trigger groups makes the rifle more suitable for positional shooting, as well as improving ergonomics and making optics mounting easier, but I am slightly surprised that it doesn't seem to increase the accuracy significantly beyond what was achievable 30 years ago.

[@RimfireSS]

Keep in mind this was not the optimal ammo for each rifle and the temperature was quite cold which has a devastating effect on accuracy with .22lr. In the summer I was getting a average with that budget .22 with the exact same ammo used in this video I believe the average was .278. The temp just kills the groups.

[@michaelsch.668]

@@RimfireSS Hallo, ich komme aus Österreich und besitzenden selben 10/22 Ruger. Darf ich fragen welche Munition Sie in dem Video verwenden. Normalerweise stießen wir hier bei uns CCI aber die sind schon 1Jahr nicht lieferbar. Über eine Antwort würde ich mich freuen.

[@charlesmckinley29]

@@michaelsch.668 SK Long Range Match

[@brhoffer7]

Check your head spacing. You might tighten it up

[@2A_lifestyle]

​@@RimfireSSInteresting........ I recently took out my ruger american rimfire out in temps just about freezing. It had me scratching my head because ammo that usually shoots excellent groups was just mediocre at best. And some other ammo that was usually not impressive actually shot fairly well. I was tempted to blame it on just a bad day of shooting because my hands were cold. But maybe it was in fact due to the temperature difference. I guess I need to start my ammo testing all over again and come up with a separate cold weather load lol.

[@ryand8050]

I really like your channel thank you and keep it up! Have you tried taking the kidd and putting it in the stock? I have read that chassis are not 10/22 best bet for accuracy

[@RimfireSS]

Yeah, the Kidd has been in every stock I’ve got with pretty much the same results.

[@loyloy9975]

อยากให้มี 2 รุ่นนี้มาขายเมืองไทยบ้างครับ

[@peterschmidt2849]

🤙🏻🔥🇺🇸

[@pickin4you]

Ok, you messed up as soon as you said all three would going to be shooting the same ammo. EACH RIFLE likes its own ammo. So you cannot compare a cheap rifle to an expensive on that way. Now your components like the stock, that’s your choice, but from the many 10-22’s I have built, those I used a Kidd barrel, trigger and bolt in, all shot just as well as my Anschutz bolt action rifles. But I let the rifle tell me the ammonia liked. I did not force feed an ammo in it that I used in another rifle. So all of this for nothing. You wasted everyone’s abs your own time. Yes you can find a good GM barrel now and then. But KIDD barrels are the best. Kidd bolt assy’s are the best also. And their triggers. Actions do not matter. Stocks do but to a point. They all need the actions bedded to be extremely accurate. So yeah, next time you test three rifles and shoot the same ammonia all of them, two of them will not do well with that ammonia, but one of those other rifles may be the far better shooter WITH the RIGHT AMMO.

[@RimfireSS]

Actually that ammo shoots well in all 3 of those rifles. I mean the group sizes were very close and very good.

[@jaredettinger23]

How much is the budget 10/22? Great video!

[@RimfireSS]

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