10 Dumb Decisions In Doctor Who We Can't Forget

[@Drp_br_]

Honestly I think that the master not killing the Doctor is actually understandable since there’s a layer of friendship under the rivalry

[@KnightRanger38]

I seem to recall that the Master as a child was the Doctor's best friend. The Master went mad in the process of becoming a Time Lord, but still has that sentiment - shared by the Doctor.

[@FlagadossSupreme]

Of love *

[@jeb284]

They have toxic relationships lol

[@davidandrews2972]

To quote him from the Five Doctors "A cosmos without the Doctor scarcely bears thinking about."

[@darkdeity2012]

Giving immortality to Ashildir for no particularly good reason was an example of The Doctor both breaking his own rules and creating a bunch of ongoing problems for himself, so I always consider that one of his worst decisions.

[@UgandanPrinc3]

Well he even comments on regretting it at the end of the episode. Personally for me I view his actions there as the spark that eventually lead him towards TLV, so seeing it pop again here, I had a feeling it wouldn’t end well

[@nocturne8333]

I mean, the River in the astronaut suit was an earlier version, and she only drained her weapon pack so that she could buy the Doctor enough time to think of a solution, and he couldn’t tell River he was a Tessalecta at the lake because he knew the Silence were watching and listening. If he’d told her then Kovarian and co. would know that the assassination had failed. There are lots of other examples that would have been better.

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

very true!

[@charlierenwick3682]

Also the fact is that him dying at that precise time is a fixed point. It has to happen

[@Venemofthe888]

I dont think wiping Donna's mind was dumb. The Doctor might not of known to find another way and probably knew she didnt have too long to live so wiping her mind was the only option he could have had in a short time

[@odmasters4817]

I agree

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Except remember he didn't wipe her mind really. He suppressed it with an extremely fragile cap. Any reminder would blow the lid off it and possibly her literal head. The dumbness is that the Doctor would be able to find a more permanent cure that would allow her access to at least her personal memories.

[@blackleopard555]

Except for two words that make wiping her mind pointless that we'd seen earlier in the series...The Chameleon Arc. A bit of Time Lord tech that can change a Time Lord into a human and suppress/restrain a Time Lord's knowledge. The Doctor only needed to do the latter for Donna to be able to stay with him. Or at least in theory... We'd have to find The Doctor in order to ask... I'm cool with that! XD

[@MeghanTheShade]

@@blackleopard555 The only issue with using the Chameleon Arch is that he gave away the pocket watch needed to contain the time lord consciousness, and yes, I know 10 could have just had the TARDIS make a new watch.

[@Pryderi_]

@@blackleopard555 the chameleon arch also changed him into a completely different person with an entirely new personality. Doing that to Donna would basically be like killing her, instead of just making her life boring again. We also don’t know if the chameleon arch would even work on just one half of a metacrisis being.

[@brianwindsor7923]

Wasn't the River Song that was in the space suit in Lake Silencio a PAST version of her? The Doctor couldn't have told her he was a robot.

[@ishaandw]

Yep, was going to say this. The video gets it completely wrong.

[@UgandanPrinc3]

@@ishaandw this video is like 80% reaching

[@annab9791]

In fairness to the Doctor in "Human Nature", Martha was supposed to open the watch the moment the Family showed up, but it went missing.

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

but when the watch was taken by Tim, didn't the Doctor specifically tell Tim to wait? that definitely was in the story. there was a line about that. Tim spoke to the Doctor in it. he could have told Tim to bring it back to Martha as soon as the crisis arose. it could have saved lives. also, would it not have been wiser to make sure that if ur going to change who u r and erase ur memories and change ur persona, shouldn't u make sure that u r not sending ur companion to an environment/time where she is going to be oppressed, demoralized, incapable having the resources to protect everyone in case a crisis does occur, also suffer bigotry, be mistreated... and in a time where hate crimes could easily happen and no one would raise a finger to do anything about it... and then never apologize to her at the end of of the story for putting her thru that? it just seems... heartless and like a bad idea.

[@gisela_oliveira]

I think it was already dumb of him to go to a time were a black woman like Martha would have so much trouble. He could've chosen any place in present or future, but he choses the past, so she is forced to be a maid and is very mistreated all the time, by a lot of people, HIM INCLUDED

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

@@gisela_oliveira exactly. thank u! no one ever seems to notice that was a stupid and awful thing of him to do.

[@gisela_oliveira]

@@philadelphiawhovian5641 this decision is probablly what made it all go bad, because she couldn't even talk to him. if they had come to, let's say, TO THE PRESENT, she could be his friend

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

@@gisela_oliveira exactly. that one concept just made it all not work. and if they came to the present, it would be easier for Martha and the Doctor to solve the problem if the family of blood did catch up to them. more modern advances and chances for self-defense. and this way, Martha wouldn't have to be subjected to a time where she easily would, could and DID suffer abuse. And then barely get appreciated for her efforts. and what's even worse is that it all could have been prevented if the doctor had just stood his ground and decided to defeat the family, as he had done with many foes before them. after all, we saw how easy it was for him to have destroyed their ship and left them stranded. that way, all those people wouldn't have died. it's one of those stories that looks great on the surface, but the second you think about it, it falls apart and u realize that u are watching the lead character make all the wrong decisions and never actually apologizing for it. i just wish they had thought of another way for the doctor to have wound up in that predicament, i.e. where he intended to send Martha to a better place where she could mount a good defense in case something happened, and his human self could help her, but the tardis was damaged when it was being chased and it wrecked its navigation. but no reason was actually given, alas!

[@Materminds187]

Wilf: “You're so clever, can't you bring her memory back? Just go to her now, go on, just run across the street, go up and say hello!” Doctor: “If she ever remembers me her mind will burn and she will die!”

[@samuelkremer441]

Um, Bill thought The Doctor was dead... What did you expect she'd do, stay with what she thought was his corpse for the rest or eternity?

[@ShaneJMcEntee]

The Master doesn't want to kill the Doctor. He wants to gloat and "win". The master has NO purpose without The Doctor. I believe he is secretly happy when any attempt on his life fails. He thinks he wants the Doctor dead but deep down he doesn't and never will.

[@mimseydemon1844]

Batman & Joker.

[@ankaplanka]

Yeah! What better than to gloat to the person who has been around for his whole life? He probably can't find a better rival than the Doctor anyways.

[@ShaneJMcEntee]

@@ankaplanka imagine if he killed The Doctor. He'd have no puprose. What's the point in ruining the universe if you can't see the Doctor's face when you do it?

[@generalJawline]

Perry the Platypus and Dr. Doofenschmirtz

[@happyhedgehog6450]

The master caused the death of Tom Baker.

[@TolaSrrup]

Dumbest decision in Doctor Who?: making Chibnall show runner.

[@eksortso]

Hear, hear.

[@oxenford539]

was looking for this comment. i didn't have to look long.

[@drego5]

THIS. So much THIS.

[@billcox8870]

That and the diversity and inclusion mandate which puts meritocracy at the bottom when it comes to hiring the cast and crew.

[@soltandvinegar]

That wasn't an in-universe decision, and therefore is not relevant to this video.

[@crazypomp927]

The Master has never wanted to kill The Doctor. They've wanted to beat The Doctor, they've wanted to drag The Doctor down to their level, they've wanted to mess with The Doctor's head, but they have NEVER wanted to kill The Doctor.

[@elliottwatt5297]

Except for those times in classic who where they literally try and kill him. Many times.

[@williammitchell4417]

Um hello, the Master tried to kill the Doctor on A Number of occasions. Logopolis, Castrovalva, the 5 Doctors.. etc etc

[@MoonlitMike]

@@williammitchell4417 lol

[@NottherealLucifer]

​@@elliottwatt5297 "Classic Who" otherwise known as "Nobody gives a shit about this."

[@elliottwatt5297]

@@NottherealLucifer lots of people give a shit about it, why are you being a prick?

[@gestaltdude]

I can actually understand the last entry. Personalities such as The Master/Missy, with their megalomania and narcissism, literally need someone to lord their achievements over. The so-called monologuing, as mentioned in both Who and The Incredibles, is merely a symptom of their psychological conditions. It's not simply an easy way for writers to get their ideas across, it is an essential component in their make-up, ie they need someone to know how clever they are, or their victories are meaningless. As such, having the Doctor, particularly one in a reduced state as we saw in Last of the Time Lords, is the only thing that, for The Master, makes the whole thing worthwhile. The fact he had achieved one of his life-long goals, domination of the Earth, was a minor detail. The only thing that held his interest was having the Doctor there to rub it in his face that he (the Doctor) had lost, and without him there, the Master would likely have grown bored and abandoned the planet shortly after conquering it.

[@onofftopic5275]

It wasn't genocide of the Silence. It was destroying the Silence on earth.

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

exactly! finally someone else points this out. 11 never committed genocide there. he also told the silence he did this right after he did it, which means they could have left after their plans were foiled... so if they stayed behind to keep terrorizing humanity, technically, they put themselves in that position.

[@bheast86]

and he was just letting the Silence speak for themselves: The killing was what they said when it was enough to give themselves away on film (problem with that episode is the 'dwarf star alloy prison', which would have been too dense to build).

[@davidharshman7645]

Didn't the Doctor strongly suggest that humanity would keep rewatching that video for millenia, even as they fly out into space and become various Bountiful Human Empires? Maybe it isn't genocide to the point of extinction, but it is certainly a good attempt at it.

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

@@davidharshman7645 but the Silence also told him to do that, in an act of intense hubris. literally, he followed their advice. since those particular Silence made it very clear that they would never stop devastating the human race, the doctor had to maintain a constant self-defense mechanism within them, making sure the Silence (or the chapter that broke away from the original priesthood) would never continue it, or reestablish it. if the Silence were to come in peace, which the original chapter did do later in series 7, the Doctor always could (And evidently did) change how things were. after all, he had done such a good job of erasing himself from history throughout 11's era, the Silence's apparent strong existence later on indicates that once they were no longer torturing the human race, there was another great shift. what i'm saying is, from ur perspective, their are too many factors that indicate that it still was a good attempt of extinction (that never actually came to be, from a factual standpoint. but still it was a good attempt at it, to you), but from the other side of the argument, there are too many factors to show that genocide not only didn't happen, but that the Doctor didn't cause that. both sides of this argument have many 'what if'/unknown factors to it. but one thing is certain: by the Silence making their own choices, they actually destroyed themselves. that's the risk u take when u seek to manipulate and destroy others. live by the sword, die by it.

[@DoinItforNewCommTech]

By that logic the Armenian Genocide wasn't a genocide because they only killed Armenians in Armenia, and left all the ones in America alive

[@georgiavost1434]

One thing the River in closing time and Wedding of River Song was a very young river compared to the river in season opener. Because in closing time she has just become a Doctor but by S6 opener Canton and the characters referenced her as Dr Song. Also, the slap in the Tardis was for making her rewatch and relive that moment again

[@andrewphillips-hird3761]

I wonder if she actually remembers it? Obviously she knows it happened, but I'm just thinking about occasions like in The Doctor Falls, where the Master can't retain his memories so Missy doesn't have them.

[@evesherlocked]

Who can forget anything about dr who??

[@ftumschk]

... apart from Donna Noble, that is ;)

[@thegayone1911]

@@ftumschk 😂

[@TheTjSquire]

I dunno, I'm rewatching Smith with my niece now, and there's plenty I forget or mix up in the Amy/Silence/River stuff.

[@jackmiles5489]

If that’s genuinely your belief you’ll be absolutely amazed by the feats I’ll accomplish as soon as Chris Chibnall leaves and a competent writer takes over who actually respects what is expected from the show

[@mikaelastefkova]

I sometimes forget Silence not sure why- Sorry, what was the question? 😄💗 Silly jokes aside, I agree with you haha

[@chantho2525]

4:51 actually, the River Song who shoots the doctor was from past, not future

[@Andros1921]

I thought Kill The Moon was all about him allowing people of Earth to choose what happens to themselves instead of The Doctor deciding their fate.

[@dylanziesing6122]

It was. He is wrong.

[@elliottwatt5297]

Right, but that’s still callous. Clara needed help, or at least advice. The Doctor had already made himself part of events, he doesn’t get to pick and choose on a whim whether or not he gets a say in Earth’s affairs. Kill the Moon is a bad story, like super duper bad, and preachy, and this really doesn’t work as a thing the Doctor should think is okay, dropping his friend into a potentially deadly situation then fucking off.

[@acerumble]

Anyone who wonders why the Master (or any archvillain) decides to monologue and glory in their victory while keeping the hero alive has never been a GM in a roleplaying game.

[@orionparish9858]

Considering what the Silence did to River Song and what they wanted to do to the Doctor, then yes. They totally deserved to be wiped out. Maybe not in the way they were. But seeing as they had been fucking with Humanity for so long. It's poetic justice.

[@philadelphiawhovian5641]

exactly

[@RuNoMai]

One bullet point in and this already feels like it was made by somebody who didn't actually watch the episode... The Doctor had to wipe Donna's memory because her body was burning up and her brain was glitching out. She was dying in front of him and didn't have very long at all left -- he didn't have any time to try anything else or to search all of time and space for a cure, he had to do it right then and there to save her life. He had incredibly limited time to work with and it was *literally* all he could do to save her.

[@stevenkarmazenuk2540]

The Master killed the 4th Doctor; what do you mean, "Nice to see him kill the Doctor for ONCE?"

[@sirnird9982]

It's actually been established in other videos of theirs that they don't really remember or know all Doctor Who details/facts like they should considering they have writers writing this for them so they can research before posting.

[@ashleyjones7765]

Did he though?? My memory suggests that the 4th version died as a resukt of falling from the Pharos Projrct's antenna array, suggesting that whilst the Master was deffo responsible for the Doctor3being there, twas actually gravity being ultimately responsible. Granted that's a bit if a stretch; equally, maybe it was the Doctor's trousers ripping which truly should be held responsible. All this assumes that the 4th version was the first Baker, changing to the young vet?!!

[@benlevan5645]

In regards to the Silence, those were part of a rogue faction of the Papal Mainframe. The Doctor didn't so much wipe out a species, as have a faction of guerilla spies taken down.

[@drdarkeny]

I always assumed The Master couldn't kill The Doctor and vice versa because at some level they love each other - it's a toxic relationship, but it's why they'd rather monologue at each other than kill.

[@deldarel]

It fits well with the Master's personality. He's a huge narcissist who needs an audience. Only the doctor has the full context of how vile everything is Master does. The doctor loves the master, but the master needs the doctor

[@NickwBush]

Timeless child isn't on this list because it goes without saying

[@amazon4662]

I think it was stupid decisions by characters rather than by writers.

[@drego5]

@@amazon4662 By all, really.

[@william...1]

it’s not here cause you’ve given chibs 1 episode to explain a long story arc. just wait lol

[@soltandvinegar]

That's because it isn't a decision. The Timeless Child was a decision behind the scenes, not in the show. (Also, we've only seen one episode focusing on the Timeless Child, its a bit harsh to judge when the story arc isn't finished)

[@StarField369]

@@soltandvinegar but- you just said it wasn’t a decision, then said it was? i’m confused- /gen

[@tessoup9022]

Amy cheating on Rory on their wedding night really made me hate her... It seems extreme but I hate the way she treated him. 😩

[@scarletbard6511]

Amy and Rory (as a team) are one of my favorite combinations, but that was still a very bad decision. No matter how fucked up her childhood was, nor how much she idolized the Doctor- you just don't write a scene where she tries to cheat on her husband with an unwilling partner. I feel like that's too far.

[@Sunprism]

Doing absolutely nothing with either the Tenth doctor's human clone in another dimension, nor his cloned perfect warrior daughter

[@ianmiller6040]

It still irritates me that Jenny just left the show, never to be seen again. Her unique ability to apparently "regenerate" into her original body with no ill effects would have been fascinating, a true form of immortality the show hasn't demonstrated before. And then she just leaves. Gone. Not to mention, her final lines tantalizingly hint at her meeting him again someday...which she never did. Even Clara got a resolution after apparently deciding to wander the stars forever with Me. Such a wasted opportunity.

[@dylanziesing6122]

@@ianmiller6040 She can’t regenerate into her original body. That was a one-time fluke of luck. Remember she is just an echo of a Timelord. She only had an echo of a Regeneration. Next time she dies it’s over.

[@CCCZMC]

@@dylanziesing6122 looking back it seemed it wasn't regeneration energy but the terraformer that gave her life, it was more greenish than yellow

[@Croftice1]

@@CCCZMC And the Master's first regeneration had rainbow colors, your point? She is a clone of a Time Lord, why wouldn't she be able to regenerate? When did terraform resurrect people? It grows plants, but are humanoids classified as vegetation? Why didn't it affect others? There were some other dead characters, did the Terraform bring them back as well? Was there a scene with the Hath friend of Martha? The one, that drowned in the mud?

[@NessTheCatLIVE]

you got a lot of these very wrong... starting to notice a pattern in some of your more recent videos that your research into the topics may be starting to lack a little and miss the entire context of some scenarios

[@Venemofthe888]

Its not just this channel it seems to be all of the What culture channels. Does feel a little shoddy

[@michaelbiscay9836]

I typically like your lists, but this one was very "WatchMojo"-ish in its lack of research, accuracy, or effort.

[@drego5]

Well said!

[@BeyondBaito]

The Doctor felt more upset over The Master dying than almost all of humanity being killed by The Doctor.

[@willadeefriesland5107]

Adding insult to injury? Paul Cornell's Human Nature was an adaptation of a Virgin Publishing novel of his with the same name and a similar situation with poor nurse Redfern pining away after losing a human version of the 7TH DOCTOR. Thus setting up a conflict with the books versus the TV show... a dumb decision doubled!

[@randomshit308]

Hiding on earth wasn't dumb, he didn't want to get anyone killed, saying it was stupid of him to not instantly kill them is like saying it was stupid to not let young Davros die

[@patrickmccurry1563]

He went from endangering countless people so as to avoid killing straight to eternal torture is dumb writing... unless it was supposed to be that the doctor is just one missed tea break from being worse than any enemy he ever faced, Master and Daleks included. I watched the show to see a good guy, not a sadistic psychopath.

[@randomshit308]

@@patrickmccurry1563 i mean, the tenth doctor is the doctor who's the worst after the time-war, he is a no second chances kind of person. You remember his first episode? The Christmas Invasion, where he let the sycorax leader live, but then ended up letting him fall to his death after he didn't give up? Or maybe in the runaway bride? Where he drowned the last of the racnoss and all her children? That was the same doctor, if you don't like it, don't watch it, but with this doctor, it wasn't stupid.

[@Croftice1]

@@patrickmccurry1563 He not killing them outright and rather hiding was HIM showing THEM mercy. The alien son even comments on it at the end of the episode. Also it wasn't the Doctor, who chose that time period and place. Blame the TARDIS, the bad girl chose it all. The Doctor said to Martha, that the Chameleon arch will make things automatically and that the TARDIS will choose the cover (background) for them.

[@sirnird9982]

I could be wrong but I feel like they did kind of square away Amy's attempt to seduce the Doctor through her time as his companion up to her wedding where she finally realizes it was a mistake...but maybe I'm wrong?

[@jacklawrence2212]

The point that's almost never got by people when talking about Family of Blood/Human Nature is the real reason why the Doctor's punishments are so drawn out and vicious. Deep down there is a part of him that - even as the Doctor - wanted to remain John Smith but the Family's presence wouldn't allow him to do that. His god-like vengeance isn't yet another example of 10's megalomania but comes from his genuine anger and grief at being denied a life and a love he wanted.

[@ALurkingGrue]

I still feel Kill the Moon just from the concept was one of the worst.

[@lillaxxitiv1501]

Really? It's one of my very favourites from Capaldi's era.

[@djhutchison]

It's an interesting point. How is it Donna can't handle Time Lord knowledge, but the Metacrisis Doctor can? Isn't he totally human?

[@patrickmccurry1563]

I assumed it was more that Donna absorbed all the Doctor's personal millennia of knowledge instantly, not some biological "essence" mismatch. The metacrisis doctor was the doctor's mind but limited with mixed human physiological limitations.

[@Croftice1]

@@patrickmccurry1563 Also as you said, Donna absorbed it, while META-10 was created from the hand. For Donna, it was unnatural, the META-Doctor was created like that, his "human" body adapted already during the process.

[@thebagfather4633]

the dumbest thing was casting Jodi Whitaker as the dr can we forget it happened..

[@21Michichi]

-Daleks invading satellite 5 instead of just blowing it up from afar (edit: nvm they had a fancy shield) -Doctor not sending Mickey and Rose home before jumping into France knowing he'd be stranded in France and them stranded on the space ship -Also in the episode going back through the fire place the last time instead of just using the TARDIS, despite knowing time jumps every time he uses a time window -Not summoning the TARDIS via it's key on the impossible planet -Or any time in danger really -Production wise: showing the weeping angels moving. The "cannot move when being watched" applied to the TV viewer as well -Not checking the date when first brining rose home. She went missing for an entire year and then its just never mentioned ever again. No big police investigation, nothing about searches being conducted while she was gone, etc -Everything that happened with The Master and 13: destroying gallifrey civilization, making cybermasters, the timeless child, and then wiping all organic life from gallifrey to end it And probably a ton more I just started rewarding nu who to prep for my binge of classic who

[@somerandomguy2073]

"The extrapolator is compatible, we've got a forcefield so that should stop the daleks from blowing us out of the sky."

[@21Michichi]

@@somerandomguy2073 THANK YOU, I was legit frustrated the whole episode. Missed that line

[@Croftice1]

9th once replied to Rose's question "why don't we fly closer?", he said "I don't wanna risk the TARDIS, it's a Time Lord hi-tech", or something like that, so not summoning into a battlefield, or sticky situation, if not really really necessary. And besides Key summoning wasn't invented until much later (11th Doctor). Showing Weeping Angels move - I totally agree. That was a dumb move from Moffat, he created them and in their next episode he ruins them, great job. Rose was missing for 12 months, that's a whole year. Micky complained, that the police interrogated him, because they thought he kidnapped her. How did you miss that? It's in the episode. Also not checking the date, you know, the Doctor actually never thought he could overshoot, he thought, that he brought Rose home, there's no need to check the date, not for someone so confident as the Doctor.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

1:08 The issue is that the one place in the universe that could solve that issue was probably called Galifray...

[@NurseDemars]

I still can’t help believing that Donna might have had enough Time Lord essence in her to regenerate and thus develop a brain capable of holding the Time Lord portion of her mind. River was Time Lord enough to regenerate just being conceived in the Tardis, so Donna should be able to. But the Doctor’s actions as his own regeneration nears show that he equates regeneration with death, the death of himself, the version of the Doctor that he is. He could have helped Donna to regenerate instead, and maybe she would have done so naturally, but prevented this because he didn’t want Donna as he knew her to die, even though Donna in essence would live on.

[@Croftice1]

Donna couldn't regenerate. She wasn't made Time Lord, her body was still human but with a Time Lord's mind. Like META-10 Doctor, he also was fully human, one heart and stuff, but had the original 10th's mind. The only difference between Donna and META-10 was their creation. While Donna absorbed the essence of a Time Lord, META-10 was "born" with it (or rather from it and absorbed human DNA instead), so for Donna it was unnatural, forced, while META-10 was already adapted to it.

[@scarletbard6511]

​@@Croftice1 A good way I differentiate those two is; Donna was a human base, add Time Lord. The outcome is disastrous and incapable of being sustained. Metacrisis Doctor was a Time Lord base, add human. Much better foundation to start from than vice versa.

[@blebhan8213]

So Doctor Who turns into a 3-foot whatever when he gets really really old? Just like Jack becomes a giant head in a jar?

[@Croftice1]

Definitely not. If you paid attention, the Master blocked his regeneration and made him older and older and older, til the Doctor was really really old. You know, how old people tend to hunch their back, the spine can't hold that well anymore and the skin gets all bumpy and stuff. The Doctor was actually beyond a typical human old age, so his body regressed even further, till it was very small. Since he's not human, this could be (as the Master claimed) how old age would look like for a Time Lord, if they never regenerated.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

The Master is a narcissist that only ever values the opinions of himself and the doctor. But he really wants to hear his thoughts coming out of the Doctor's mouth.

[@shindoushuichi0287]

The Master not killing The Doctor in the Last of the Time lords is not the biggest issue with that episode. its turning The Doctor into freaking Space Jesus to literally "WISH" him into victory. sooooo dumb.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Space Jesus😂

[@dylanziesing6122]

What do you mean? That was absolutely GENIUS! They used the archangel network to broadcast to every human mind and all 7 billion minds thought of the Doctor. Yes he because an all powerful god for a few moments... how is that dumb?

[@soc5676]

Though I do agree with some of these, half of them are only "dumb decisions" because you don't like them and you "are sure there was another way". If the show says it's the only way and doesn't retcon itself to show that there was another way all that time, than it IS the only way. The Donna wipe isn't a dumb decision because they haven't retconned in another way to keep her going as a companion (at least so far). Also, a lot of these moments help establish the character (the 10th being too afraid to immediately pull the trigger (not literally) on his enemies, the 12th being too cold and willing to screw people over, river being too naive and rebellious with time and the hard things that come with it, etc.) They aren't stupid decisions unless they have no point for it happening

[@soc5676]

Not saying this to just to crap on your views, tho. Please don't take this as me bullying you for your thoughts and opinions, I just happen to have a differing opinion

[@NottherealLucifer]

The Doctor has been given the choice of saving mankind or saving an innocent and rare alien life before, _The Beast Below_ being the prime example, so in _Kill the Moon_ him choosing to let humanity make the choice for once is a completely logical one. He wants humanity to make the hard decision he would usually have to make, not even for the guarantee of their survival, just better odds of it. He's cold to Clara in the episode, but that's because he's tired of making this decision.

[@jag2685]

Couldn't he have just taken that part from Donna mind, like he did with Rose when she had the time vortex in her mind. Which was also going to make Rose mind burn.

[@Croftice1]

Rose absorbed the Time Vortex from the heart of the TARDIS, but essentially it was just energy in her head, while Donna was fused with Time Lord essence from the hand, basically backed into her DNA, I think. It wasn't that easy to get it out, because Donna became METAcrisis, like the half human META-10 Doctor. The only difference between Donna and META-10 is Donna absorbed it, originally human absorbed the Time Lord DNA, it wasn't natural for her, while META-10 was created, so his human body already adapted. But they were basically the same form of creature, only Donna was forced into it by touching the jar with the hand.

[@darthraver]

I wonder if we will ever see the Master become a companion but he/she is still evil basically showing us what would have happened if the Doctor kept the Master imprisoned on the TARDIS after Series 3. Over the series, the Doctor slowly becomes more evil and eventually let's the Master go and the Doctor realises what they have done and have to stop the mad bull they've just released and it turns them good again. The best duo this can be done with would be Tennant/Simm but Jodie and Sacha would also be good as he is pure evil and she has an evil streak she keeps hiding away. It will be cool to see an evil incarnation of the Doctor especially since 13 is meant to be a goodie-goodie so it will be a brilliant contrast. Guess we'll never see it now since Series 13 is coming this year so no chance. Just hope the next duo can pull it off.

[@robthetindog8218]

From the very beginning, it was established that the tardis has a mind of it’s own; it takes the Doctor where s/he needs to be. So in Human nature/ Family of blood, blame the tardis, not the Doctor for jamming up Martha. The ninth Doctor, having just emerged from the time war, believing he had destroyed his own ppl; was desperate to save everyone. He wanted to forgive & forget (especially after Rose brings him back to himself in Dalek). But number 10 is past all that. Too many took advantage; now he’s just pissed. You crossed him; no mercy. NO MORE. Finally to cover that episode & many others you mentioned; let’s face it, the Time Lords aren’t exactly paragons of wisdom & have shown themselves capable of making some pretty dumb decisions. So why are we holding the Doctor to vastly higher standards? As the old adage says, No one is perfect.

[@Justanothernerd02]

Surely he could have used the fob watch on Donna

[@G-mountain863]

In season 12 episode 1 the new doctor didn’t know who she was, but when she did she almost killed her anomie

[@joeneadley3354]

"Utopia, Sound of drums and last of the tinelords" as a collective, remains the best finale of modern doctor who for me. The Master could have killed the doctor countless times but loves to gloat, part of his character

[@catfancier270]

I think curing Donna would have felt silly and anticlimactic. I like that there was a problem the Doctor didn't know how to solve. People complain the Doctor became too godlike but complain when he can't solve universe shattering or soul destroying problems in an afternoon. Just for reference, I love Donna-she is my favorite companion. Also, one way the metacrisis theme can be reimagined for the 60th is that Donna is complete without the Doctor and doesn't need him to make her great. I hope whatever happens to Donna, she has some agency this time and we see that she has had a fulfilling life.

[@deanemayer466]

I must agree that the doctor enemy's do talk too much rather then finish him off, but I think the master wouldn't want to kill him, they are friends and no matter how twisted he is, he wouldn't kill the the doctor he'd just want to beat him. But I think for most enemy's including the daleks the doctors reputation kicks him and most enemy's are scared to kill him but they should! This is why I think the BBC should scrap the children show thing, it's more of a teenage on-words show and would benefit from stronger stories. Just look At Torchwood! Look how good the world of doctor who is when it's made for adults! That's what doctor who should be like.

[@ianmiller6040]

I've always viewed their relationship like the Joker and Batman. Sure, the Joker "tries" to kill Batman whenever they meet, but he'd clearly be *devastated* if Batman ever actually died--he really just likes toying with him and would absolutely *hate* to see his favorite hate buddy actually die for good. Same with the Master. He "hates" the Doctor (so he says), but his actions don't mirror his words.

[@jimmuscle2891]

Letting John Barrowman run around the set naked springs to mind...

[@sxeetnie8419]

Davros not putting Donna in a holding cell even after he stunned her and she was the only one who wasn’t in one yet, and helped in making her half time lord half human which wouldn’t caused his downfall if he wasn’t so arrogant

[@thegayone1911]

That first sentence tho 😂

[@tracyroweauthor]

my problem with Kill the Moon was not the Doctor leaving Clara on the moon, it was the blatantly patronizing anti-abortion message of the episode. Watch it aagin from that perspective and tell me I'm wrong. The Doctor didn't "wipe out the Silence" he just rid the Earth of them. The Silence still exist in the universe. The Master isn't actually the Doctor's worst enemy. Ultimately the Master doesn't want to kill the Doctor, he wants to prove to the Doctor that they both have the same darkness inside them. They were childhood best friends, after all. It's almost like you guys don't actually watch the show. I also loved Forest of the Earth

[@FlushGorgon]

The fact that you don't understand something doesn't make it dumb.

[@neptune04]

I have a theory on number 9 maybe the way she wanted to get rid of the spiders was a very subtle influence from when the third incarnation had to deal with spiders and ended up regenerating from that so subtle she didn't realize it.

[@UgandanPrinc3]

Well if she remembered the planet of the spiders she could have stated she can move them to another home, which she offers to for most alien species, unless of course she’s holding a grudge to which maybe don’t show it like suffocating them was the best decision

[@neptune04]

@@UgandanPrinc3 Possibly but if it was so subtle that she didn't realize that it might have been a factor (when is the last time the doctor encountered actual spiders instead of offshoots like the Ragnoss before the arachnids episode)

[@bheast86]

the whole premise of KILL THE MOON needed total revamp THE DOCTOR FALLS failed in its final shootout where the sonic screwdriver was used as a zap gun, but the Doctor was shot so thoroughly he should have been killed outright. It was perfectly fair for the giant spider to die of its own weight, animals not being able to grow above a certain size because of such things. Dumbest decisions: Stunt casting - Nick Frost, Paul Kaye, and ultimately ('and') Matt Lucas.

[@kjpierson1152]

River isn't just a timelord, she's the timelord victorious. The laws of time are hers, and they will obey her.

[@paingoret6]

Idk if I would consider him wiping Donna's mind dumb...it was sad, especially since Donna grew so much confidence in herself but he did it to save her and storyline-wise it was good. Not that I haven't been hoping to see her again in hopes she could someday remember everything. Thank gods for the 60th! Agree about the spiders Your comments on 8th season...gotta disagree. Mummy on the Orient Express was so boring (Listen was good) to me whereas I loved In the Forest of the Night and Kill the Moon wasn't too bad either. I loved him leaving Clara behind to make the decision for her planet (while he defends the Earth a lot it's not his planet so makes sense letting the 3 humans he left behind decide) The Doctor not informing River about the Teselecta is such a typical TV trope of miscommunication lol Ugh Amy trying to get with Eleven was def a dumb writing decision NOT taking the Silence out the way he did would have been dumb. One of the reasons I love The Doctor is that, despite his kindness and willingness to save everybody, give 2nd chances, etc he is willing to do what's necessary, even kill, when he has too. Hate the hero trope where the hero can never make the tough choice and can't fight back successfully bc "Omg we are the goods guys we can't kill/hurt/capture/etc" 8:55 Every main/major/recurring villain in every show ever (and a lot of times vice versa of hero never killing the villain)

[@AHoyHere0111]

For #3, in all fairness, the Doctor does give the Silence one more chance/ultimatum prior to executing his plan....

[@cr10001]

Jeez, most of these objections are just contrived. Somebody thought of the headline '10 dumb decisions' and then had to dig up or invent 10 events to fill out the list.

[@Riversong63]

What happened to all the miniature sized people inside the Doctor/Tessalector when he was killed? Where did they go?

[@StudioGhibliFan494]

The Doctor said he'd save Bill Potts, then didn't work hard enough trying to. At least Bill left the Doctor in the Tardis

[@musicandsharpies]

Love these vids so much, but someone needs to tell Seán how to pronounce 'premise' 🙈

[@UgandanPrinc3]

Gonna update as I see them. Tl;dr. Agree: 9, 8, 4, Disagree: 10, 7, 6, 5, 3, 2, 1. Well better than most lists I suppose 10. Okay so not a dumb decision then. Let’s say there was a place they could go. Can you ensure Donna would be alive by the time they arrived, let alone explain what’s going on and get the kit to save her? And without crossing anyone’s timelines to do so, since at that point no one should ever really die in DW. 9. Completely agree. Extremely odd decision made by the Doctor here 8. Yeah Adam was a dumbass 7. IMO not a dumb decision, but a incredibly cruel one especially with no warning. He basically waters of Mars’d her, making her effect a pivotal moment in earth history, but she didn’t go into it thinking that, it was forced on her. 6. Really? I mean technically sure, you could argue sacrificing the world to save the one is a bad decision, but in DW we’ve seen multiple times the Doctor willing to sacrifice multiple people to save say Rose or Clara. Also yes, tell River who at that point was going to be captured again by the silence he had a way to cheat death so they could work around it 🤷🏾‍♂️ 5. Not a dumb decision, but again a cruel and logical one. Knowing they simply have to wait 3 months for the family to die off, and simply hiding until they do is a dumb decision? Really? 4. Agree. Even Moffat agrees is dumb. 3. Do I even have to explain why this isn’t a *Dumb* decision 2. She though he was *Dead*, she didn’t want to leave him in some foreign place, so she moved his body to his “home”, which as seen in Name of the Doctor, isn’t the first time that happens. She hoped he was alive but assumed dead. 1. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Squicx]

The dumbest decision in Doctor Who was bring back and adapting the horrendous Cartnel plan into the Timeless Child. Seriously. Not even the viewers of the 80s wanted that shit

[@Zick-ThingS-Col]

John nathan turner not casting jaquie hill as barbara in meglos its a sin. Not even mentioning the resemblance to barbara. :(

[@eshbena]

Come on, we all know that the Master is completely in love with the Doctor and would never kill him! XD He does all that stuff in a desperate attempt to win the Doctor's hearts!

[@herbertholland924]

He needed to hide from the Family blood so that we would know what the watch is when the Master is awakened at the end of time.

[@RD9_Designs]

But the Doctor didn't wipe out the Silence, just the ones on earth. Don't forget that they also worked on Tasha Lem's ship, the Papal Mainframe.

[@TheWiseCollector]

river never shoots the doctor anyway the og doc we saw getting shot was a teselct replica

[@Seddon-pt1rd]

Why isn’t the timeless child on this list? This list screams the timeless child.

[@Venemofthe888]

maybe because it doesnt need to be on every list

[@schwiftywizard]

This is dumbest decisions in the actual show, not decisions behind the scenes.

[@Seddon-pt1rd]

@@Venemofthe888 definitely needs to be on this one

[@Seddon-pt1rd]

@@schwiftywizard it happened in the show though.

[@schwiftywizard]

@@Seddon-pt1rd I thought you were just talking about the Timeless Child being a storyline.

[@elmoninjaking94]

I dont think the Master wanted to kill the Doctor, he wanted to best him and he wanted him to be alive to see it through

[@everythingwithashton5876]

There’s a lot of incorrect things in this video. It’s astonishing that a channel dedicated to the show would get so much wrong.

[@gremlinwc8996]

0:16 quite ironic that we can't forget this huh?

[@richardc5100]

How many of these visit videos are just other videos rearranged?

[@gateship2]

With the Donna thing, why couldn’t he have siphoned off the time lord memories into a pocketwatch and thrown it into a black hole or something?

[@Croftice1]

The Chameleon arch rewrites physiology of a real Time Lord and stores all their TL essence into the watch. That wasn't Donna's case. She wasn't made a Time Lord, she only had their mind. She was a METAcrisis fusion of a human and Time Lord DNA. Basically like the META-10 Doctor, human body with a Time Lord's mind. The difference here is, that for Donna it happend unnaturally, forced, her body declined it. META-10 was "born" like that, his body adapted already.

[@garyzimmerman62]

I have issues with a couple of these. First Amy's attempt to seduce (or rape?) the Doctor have me that icky brother kissing sister vibe.... BUT from what I've heard, a bride having sex with Some one other than the groom is a semi often occurance... Second, the Master wouldn't (and shouldn't )kill the Doctor. They were best friends and competitors... Its like Batman and the Joker. The Master NEEDS the Doctor, who else could he compete against?

[@CCCZMC]

semi often occurance?????

[@MrHelicx]

The moon episode was to tell humanity they have to make the decision by themselves and he shouldn't be involved i think u need to go back and watch the end again

[@bananaellingford]

Could the Doc not have used the chameleon arch on Donna. If it can remove the time lord from a time lord surely it could remove the time lord parts of the doctor Donna too?

[@Croftice1]

Nope. It's not that simple. And it's also painful btw. Well Donna wasn't made a Time Lord, she was still a human with a Time Lord's mind. Just like the META crisis Doctor, human body, one heart and stuff, but a Time Lord's mind. It works for META-10, because he was "born" like that, while Donna was forcibly fused with Time Lord DNA. The Chameleon arch can reprogram a Time Lord, but I doubt it works on a human, who just fused with some Time Lord DNA. Also the pain. The Doctor isn't a sadist. He underwent that himself, it was his decision, seeing that Donna didn't want to change, he would have to force her. Think of that. As a side effect, it also rewrites the Doctor's personality, memories and stuff completely (save for some dreams), so would Donna still be Donna in the end?

[@pablobratcat]

The Master is basically a Bond Villain.

[@mattevans4377]

Why isn't there anything about the timeless child episode?

[@reneesneed5778]

I'm sorry the doctor did not make a mistake he didn't tell anyone he was a robot because if he did the fixed Point wouldn't have been able to be cheated and everyone would have thought he was alive

[@rgoodwin1810]

I don't see that killing the members of the Silence who were on Earth, and/or forcing them to flee Earth (as it's implied that most of them will leave instead), constitutes genocide. For it to be genocide, ALL of the members of the race known as the Silence would have had to be on Earth, with no way off the planet. And since we see them hanging around in "church" in one of the spaceships around Trenzalore, we know that they WERE a space-traveling race. And the Silence still had the best defense mechanism, where no one could remember them unless they were looking at the Silence.

[@Croftice1]

Before anything else, they aren't a race. They are genetically engineered priests (as Clara walks in front of one in the church, he hisses "confess" at her) and the Silence was later declared by Mother Superior, Tasha Lem, for the Doctor down on Trenzalore never speaking his name. The enemies known as "Silence" are in fact a faction, that broke apart of the church, the Kovarian chapter, going back through the Doctor's timeline trying to stop him. So the execution, that the Doctor broadcasts with the Moon landing was only to erase those on Earth (and perhaps on human colonies in the future), not the whole "species". Thus it can't be viewed as genocide. The priests of the Mammal Mainframe were actually fighting alongside the Doctor's allies in the final battle.

[@bazzer124]

As to #1...c'mon!!!! The villain-tells-hero-evil-plans trope has been around probably as long (if not longer) than any Time Lord. And killing off the Doctor just to have him come back somehow is basically what kept the Master around since his intro with Doctor #3. Just smoke and mirrors that wouldn't move the story forward. Cheers....

[@keithalanbaker535]

It's a well-known fact that the reason the master doesn't kill the doctor is because he enjoys his encounters with the doctor Too much. ( i thought all Doctor Who fans knew this)

[@bsimester2010]

If you watch Classic Who there are many times The Master has tried to kill The Doctor.

[@TheWiseCollector]

hey if amy comes on to me im not saying no

[@declanhugors]

You should do Top 10 Most Dragged On Episodes

[@GoddessNeith]

war games would win out of hand. talk about LOOOONNNNGGG.

[@julieeverett7442]

@@GoddessNeith daleks master plan THIRTEEN episodes, 5.5 HOURS!

[@justinanderson4315]

I think that is every villain. They even joke about it in many movies and shows.

[@Glitchtophertm]

Adam ended up screwing up the doctor's timeline in one of the comic storylines. Was actually a good story in my opinion.

[@Croftice1]

Sounded to me more like a bad fanfic. Adam, the teenager, who only and non other was to blame for his greedy self would go on a revenge trip, capturing all Doctors (or companions? not sure), just because the Doctor kicked him out the TARDIS in his home? That was the least the Doctor could have done to him, but no, for some stupid reason Adam had to feel that deep grudge towards the Doctor. That grudge wasn't even shown at the end of the episode, so what was it based on in the comic? Really stupid, if you ask me.

[@agentween1845]

The last time I was this early the show still had good writing

[@PipsyProductions]

When would you say that was sixie?

[@agentween1845]

@@PipsyProductions anything before the timeless child

[@PipsyProductions]

@@agentween1845 k

[@GoddessNeith]

it hasn't had good writing since Peter Davisons run. there were a few in the new but mostly they're pretty wretched.

[@jimkirk4357]

We really are NOT qualified to judge this being. A trial is done by a jury of your peers. WE are not his peers. His life and his existence are truly incomprehensible to us in any real sense. He is nice to us in the same way WE are nice to dogs and cats and other pets we love.

[@Hawkeye26]

9:16 OMG! You actually said "his" when referring to the Master! Are you okay??? Did it injure you? 9:38 Nevermind...you said "they" afterwards...guess old habits n all that, eh?

[@deathrider7]

A toxic waste dump under Sheffield, Would that be on Bramall Lane?

[@TheWiseCollector]

sorry in season 11 sh didnt wisk them away in the firt episode in the first episode they teleport to where the tardsi is suposed to be the planet has been moved episode 2 desolation takes place then she finds the tardis and wisks them away

[@ruthalber6169]

If anyone ever heard of Warner Brothers cartoons after kind of reminds me of Sylvester the Cat doctor being stuck in that cage reminds me of well Tweety Bird

[@bruceflournoy7411]

Of all the messed up cruelly disregard for her feelings the David Tenent version of the Dr did to Martha? Taking her to an era where because of her skin color she would be treated like a talking annoying appliance and letting/ making her in charge of his missing masked memories.. Damn that was so COLD...glad she left him not long after..

[@Croftice1]

That's not the Doctor's fault. In one of these "flashbacks" the Doctor explains the Chameleon arch and then he said, that everything is automatic, the TARDIS will select some background for them. The Doctor had no say in where they end up.

[@alucards1stmaster562]

Wait I thought the 13 doctor relocated the spiders off scene?

[@alucards1stmaster562]

@@_MyNameIsAJ_ I just assumed that before she left at the end of the episode she moved them to like a arachnid planet or something

[@alucards1stmaster562]

@@_MyNameIsAJ_ oh