10 Flaws STARCRAFT PROTOSS FLEET | BEST SPACE NAVY SERIES

[@g0tm04]

Starcraft? *Additional Pylons Intensifies*

[@antonlouis612]

StarCraft? *Need more Minerals*

[@jamoecw]

#1 deals with the fleet #2 deals with society, not the fleet #3 deals with their buildings, not the fleet #4 lack of population, didn't really tie into anything fleet specific #5 uses #4 to create a flaw for the fleet #6 flaw with their society, didn't really tie into anything fleet specific #7 flaw with their society, didn't really tie into anything fleet specific #8 flaw with their society, didn't really tie into anything fleet specific #9 flaw with protoss forces in general, but talked about ground forces not the fleet #10 flaw not grounded in lore, or in the games so we have 2 to 4 flaws of the fleet itself. nice video of the flaws of protoss, but misses the mark for 10 flaws of the fleet itself.

[@CallanElliott]

Given that a navy can't exist without a society, I'd say that such things are in fact relevant...

[@robertaylor9218]

@@CallanElliott I dissagree

[@jamoecw]

@@CallanElliott while i would agree that a navy can't exist without a society, i disagree that such things are irrelevant. the society of protoss as a whole does not mean that the society of the protoss fleet in specific shares the same flaws. think of the nordic peoples during the viking age. they were herders with a relatively democratic society that tried to help out the unfortunate. the navy part of their society however was very aggressive and violent. the two were very different in general.

[@alphazergling9255]

AHHHH the mispronounciation, the misrepresentation, and misinformation hurt soooooo much! Edit: this was meant to be a comment about the video and not one about this guy's comment. My bad.

[@RandomBeardGuy]

The dude does not know that protoss fleets are crewed with less people so in a grand scale of things the protoss would have like a thousand carriers with more than 10 crew per ship. And not to mention their hangars can hold pheonixs and arbiters plus according to Diablo III post carriers are equipped with plasma charges for punching enemy formations If you add the Mothership to the equation well you get your enemys trapped in space time bubbles and some blackholes.

[@Omniroc]

In StarCraft lore the protoss actually gave you jobs according to your skill and natuaral ability and personal fame was aknowledge. And the individual does not seek fame but pride in his own works. They are more motivated than you said. Their warriors would happily died in battle.

[@christiandauz3742]

Both Zerg and Protoss are Sector level factions It's the UED that are the ONLY Galactic Power in StarCraft!

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

@@christiandauz3742 UED isnt even Galactic Power, they do however control some systems and sectors - but not the entire galaxy How does humanity conquer an entire galaxy in just 500 years?

[@jamoecw]

@@christiandauz3742 according to the lore in starcraft 1 they had started in 1 sector and spread across the galaxy towards the protoss, making them more than a sector power. the protoss also looked over more than the 1 sector the humans inhabited. the single sector thing is just poor writing in which the writers didn't mesh earlier statements made with later statements.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@jamoecw Yet killing a Billion Zerg hurts them a lot Protoss are only a few Billion In fact, there are more Craftworld Eldar than there are the entire Protoss Species (Not counting the Undead Spirits that power Wraith Mechs or the Dark Eldar who number a few Trillion) The UED are strong enough that a scouting force was just as powerful as the Protoss, Zerg and Terran Forces! The Imperium wish they fight StarCraft instead of their normal enemies A single Hive Fleet has Trillions of Tyranids and more ships that the entire Zerg Species Even the lowly Guardsmen would be very happy fighting Zerg and Protoss over Tyranids and Eldar Zerg are allergic to lemons and can be killed quite easily with pitchforks Exterminatus on Aiur would kill most of the Protoss Species Terran Battlecruisers can only shoot and hit targets at close range (Just like Star Wars and Halo) Terran Marines DO NOT want to fight the enemies of the Imperium! Chaos corruption would corrupt everyone in StarCraft in under a year

[@F14thunderhawk]

@@CallsignYukiMizuki Sex, and lots of it

[@kevingriffith6011]

A lot of the problems with rating Starcraft factions compared to others is that their units don't make a lot of sense because they're simplified for gameplay reasons. Carriers can't have point defense guns because that would make them more complicated, Battlecruisers can't carry strike craft and mount sort of general purpose point defense weaponry, that sort of thing... not to mention that this is a universe that has a sniper rifle in it that can kill a battlecruiser in two hits if you take the campaign missions as 100% cannon, which I consider more... cannon embellished for gameplay reasons. Likewise the factions probably have more unit varieties than is implied through the gameplay alone that just don't make it in because starcraft's balance would be worse for it. It's a story that has to take liberties to allow for gameplay, and that's okay.

[@adamgray1753]

Just look at how things changed for the Terrans by Legacy of the Void. They had quite a few new toys to play with in-game.

[@TheIndignation]

Yeah exactly - there are a lot of things that are done for gameplay purposes. Strictly lore-wise, Battlecruisers probably do have some of their own "interceptors", and Carriers likely do have an array of laser weapons for defense.

[@petercarioscia9189]

You do realize the units in game are vastly different from.the units in lore, right? There is actually a custom gameplay mod that actually aims to more.accurately depict the Lore units in-game, called Real Scale. I recommend you look up 3 videos by a StarCraft 2 KZbin named Lowko, "Lowko Plays Terran/Zerg/Protss Real scale"

[@petercarioscia9189]

@@TheIndignation look up "Lowko playing Terran/protoss/zerg real scale" it's a custom mod that aims to portray all the units as they are in the Lore....in they're appropriate size scaling and all their abilities, weapons etc etc....its crazy how small (and humongous) some of the units become.

[@onepunchmantolkienfan5383]

I love StarCraft, I wish there is a movie or tv series on the way.

[@seancarroll9849]

Here is one I can weigh in on due to experience with the Protoss. - The Protoss value individual skill and craftsmanship. If you happen to be really good, you get some accolades. One of your points is ill-conceived, that one. - Their main enemy, the Zerg, may be budget Tyranids, but they are no less dangerous or wily. The Zerg evolved many forms to deal with certain threats. The Scourge are known as Carrier Killers, as well as 'anything flying killers'. If you have an air force and the Zerg deploy Scourge, well, you may wish to rethink your strategy, and the Protoss often do that where the Zerg are concerned. - Their robots are a mixed bag, so I'll let this one slide. - Since we are including Legacy of the Void, some of your points are now not as relevant. The Nerazim are back in the fold, the Purifiers are equal partners. The Taldarim, well...They're weird. As long as you don't mess with them, they will most likely not mess with you. (The Taldarim leader is voiced by Q, so he's cool in that respect.) - You should have included shields as a flaw as the Terrans are well accustomed to fling EMP charges. That's only one race, but still a flaw. All that being said, I still think as a cohesive force the Protoss do rank decently high. They are not OP by any measure, but I'm not looking at OP potential. I'm looking at the realm of what is reasonable. With Amon, they were forced to change; the Khala was a liability, and the Nerazim rightly could be smug about saying that now. Perhaps they'll learn not to shun that type of non-conformity ever again.

[@harrypascoe1751]

also destroying the psy matrix only slowed down the armada a few days at most so they dont rely on it as much as you think, they can still hyperspace but it is slower without it. my reasoning is that because of the amount of zerg and protoss on aiur during lotv artanis probably wanted to free them quickly to make finishing amon quicker and less costly and the armada was said to be "across the korprulu sector' when the daelaam attack aiur but the whole fleet was back in time for the final battle.

[@Kogakaze]

Shields are not a flaw. Just because something can be countered or worked around does not make it a flaw.

[@asmylia9880]

"They are not OP" said no one who engaged storm

[@casbot71]

Wait? You're not doing the Terrans from Starcraft? Xenos sympathizer! It doesn't matter if 40k come first, you are still getting a visit from a Inquisitor …

[@GenerationFilms]

Damn, knew you'd get me. That said, the Terran leadership has somewhat betrayed humanity, such is hard to forgive. I suspect the inquisitor won't understand though.

[@adamkiraly9805]

@@GenerationFilms I really hope u guys you've some non human faction from 40k soon

[@GenerationFilms]

Thinking about the Eldar or Orks.

[@illidin23]

don't for get the zerg

[@djcuevas1057]

Zerg dont really have a navy though.

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

STARCRAFT RELATED CONTENT IN THIS CHANNEL? HELL, ITS ABOUT TIME

[@L0stEngineer]

Protoss? *Yamato cannon starts charging, the ship shakes violently, the drunk Russian captain tries to abandon ship* FOOOM!!!! What Protoss?

[@TankHunter678]

@Mark Zimmerman Every Terran Battlecruiser comes with the mighty Yamato cannon (after upgrade) which allows them to basically nuke (no really, it does about as much raw damage as a nuke) a single target. Not quite Space Battleship Yamato which blows away a small moon worth of things.

[@345635356]

Mark Zimmerman the Yamato cannon is essentially a nuclear detonation contained within a field and then shot at a target like a projectile. I'd wager that attack is so powerful it would even be lethal to 40K ships. It does, however, require considerable energy to use and some charging time, and Protoss/Terran ships can evade it by doing a well-timed micro-jump. However, if the shot hits, its guaranteed to either cripple or outright destroy an enemy ship, unless said ship is Protoss and fully shielded of course, in which case it zaps the shield and in most cases damages the ship, letting the fast-firing turrets on the Battlecruiser do the rest of the work.

[@blacksnow7106]

Protoss Carriers have even better cannons, we just can't use it in-game

[@345635356]

@@blacksnow7106 Well yeah but in the lore the purifier beam is used exclusively for glassing planets, not ship-to-ship warfare. And even if it was, the fact that its a forward fixed facing weapon is a minus.

[@blacksnow7106]

@@345635356 it's literally in the first contact with the protoss that 1 carrier got engaged by 3 BC, shoot the purifier beam twice, each at one BC, insta kill them, while the interceptor trashing the 3rd BC, all while the BC are charging the yamato cannon. and about the forward fixed, yamato cannon is forward fixed too

[@cpMetis]

*MY LIFE FOR AIUR INTENSIFIES*

[@SgtRackhamm]

But you must construct additional pylons first

[@marimcgee8379]

Power overwhelming

[@deeznutz3712]

NOT ENOUGH MINERALS

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

WARP FIELD STABILIZED INTENSIFIES

[@LuisVasquezMusic]

FINALLY SOMEONE COVERS STARCRAFT!

[@sayeedduran7500]

Finnaly starcraft is my favorite retro game. Thanks for covering it.

[@GenerationFilms]

I hope you enjoy!

[@NiraSader]

#8 have you ever heard of Adepts? Talis? Selendis?

[@hoanier4273]

Don't forget Rohanna and Vorazun

[@ryomasjibeng8343]

oracle

[@zeratul____1228]

Some of your flaws are fixed later in the timeline thanks to Artanis, and he is even able to strike an accord with the Tal'Darim along with the other sub factions in the Protoss as well. Even the Khala is removed as Amon gave the no other choice. Also I do hope you include the grand Spear of Adun into the analysis, that ship is a monster in its own rights.

[@GenerationFilms]

Definitely going to happen.

[@puggodoggo7766]

I thought this was about the 10 Flaws starcraft protoss FLEET this is kinda just about the protoss and only little about ships but i still enjoyed the video

[@pedrokantor3997]

"Hell it's about time."

[@AlexanderofThebes]

You do know about half of those problems have been solved by the end of Legacy of the Void, right. Also I disagree with your idea that the Protoss are sexist in that we see multiple female Khalai leaders including Seledis, Talis and Rohana. My Life for Auir!

[@tureytaino2785]

Actually, the Terrans are even more sexists than the Protoss. Terran women can only be Ghosts, Medics or Valkyrie, Banshee or liberator pilots.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@tureytaino2785 That's only in gameplay. There are female generals like Davis, and there's a female Viking pilot in a cutscene.

[@jesseallen3109]

the channel itself seems leftist thinking anyway, so no surprise on the "women mistreated' bit. Also if you read the books (they're good) you find there are more females and other intersting facts that points out that just because the video game's main story line didn't show them... didn't mean they are there. Just like the small population thing.. umm.. no. Also the fact that the cyborg machines is a flaw...uuum.. no. They found the corpse of great heroes who have won many battles before butthen failed in one. If they are able to bne rejuvenated (their brain is still living) they will place their brain into a machine so they can keep a venerated warrior on the front lines. Both in game and in the books/comics this is considered both a blessing and a curse as it means they are forever marked as having lost once, but also still able to fight for AIUR. This is why you'll see protoss put into machines being FAR MORE deadly and take more risks as this second death is seen as freedom from a curse, and if they survive, they have regained their honour from the 'lost' honour from their first death.

[@petercarioscia9189]

Woaaaah I never thought I'd see you cover StarCraft!!!

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

Carrier has arrived...

[@sparky20105]

Love these videos. Always look forward to a new notification. Thanks Generation Film ^_^

[@GenerationFilms]

Thanks for watching.

[@ericrielly1496]

I feel they would have an edge against the terrors of the warp, due in part to the extensive psychic discipline each protoss Warrior exhibits

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

Protoss abilities have no connection to the Warp (Protoss are psionic, but they aren't 'psykers' in the meaning of the term as it is employed in the 40K fiction). Protoss powers should be unaffected by the Warp, but the possession of those powers probably would convey no protection from Warp phenomena either.

[@krautkopf4101994]

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 that depends on how you unify the rules of both universes By that logic there is bo warpttravel for 40k ships in the koprulusector and orcs are just humanoid fungu with no tec

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@krautkopf4101994 Up to a point, but there is no suggestion that Protoss abilities draw energy from any other reality like the Warp, but instead do so from their physiology, possibly pooled as a collective, which seems similar to but distinct from the Khala. If we transplant the Protoss in to the 40K universe, or create a hypothetical were all the rules of both realities apply in the same place, then the mental discipline of the Protoss would certainly help them maintain their mental balance when exposed to the insanity of the Warp, but their abilities don't work in a way that would let them command its energies as a Psyker could, just as a 40K Psyker couldn't interact with the Khala, even if they were telepaths, because the Khala works in a very specific fashion unlike the abilities of 40K Psykers.

[@justinthompson6364]

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 I think if any of them were to be 'psykers', it would be the Nerazim, seeing as they draw their power from another dimension of sorts in the void.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@justinthompson6364 I hadn't thought of that, but you have a point. Luckily for the Dark Templar, the Void doesn't have a thing for mutation and madness to quite the same degree as the Warp

[@yellowravenpro]

I have to digress with several of your points: Point 2: At the end of the LOTV campaign the Protoss head towards a new Golden Age where the Templars, Nerazim and Purifiers are united as one. Only the Tal'darim refuse to join the alliance and head towards their own part of the galaxy, but they leave peacefully and even allow some members to join the new Protoss. Point 3: You contradict yourself here. "The Psionic Matrix is a flaw because if destroyed everything shuts down, yet the Golden Armada was only delayed after the main source was destroyed..." . While many buildings require it to function, all ships posses some form of "long range connection" to it. Otherwise it would have been impossible for protoss vessels to even explore the space in the first place. Point 5: Lack of skilled crew members? Do you know Protoss Zealots train for DECADES to be the "front line soldiers"? It is only logical all crew members train, at least, as long as Zealots or even longer than them to operate the Protoss spaceships. The key aspect of the Protoss is "Quality>Quantity". They are few, but you can bet they are damn good at everything they do. Point 7: That is true, but again you seem to ignore the LOTV campaign where the Protoss accept change and start taking steps towards a better society in the future. Point 8: Why is this even a point? Didn't you just show Selendis from the Templar? Point 9: Robots rebelling against them? You ignore, again, the LOTV campaign where The Purifiers join the Daelaam (new Protoss alliance) as equals to the Templars.This is a major point that further solidifies their new Golden Age. Point 10: How do they fare against other than the Zerg? They have waged war against several Terran factions... one can argue the Inmortal is a direct response to the powerful Terran Siege Tank. There are only 3 races in this universe so... that isn't technically "their fault".

[@stewartb1019]

Actually, there are canonically many other races the Protoss have fought, but we only have canon information about one of them: The Kalathi, who "fought" the Protoss a couple centuries before the events of the game. The Kalathi were so severely slaughtered that they ended up back in the Stone Age, barely any Protoss casualties. The Protoss looked at the outcome and decided they didn't need anything as powerful as the Colossi after the war, and so the Colossi were deactivated.

[@techpriest6252]

Protoss huh. My main man adimiral spire just crusaded his way out of the cadia sector Failbaddon the armless just got rekt

[@christiandauz3742]

That isn't canon In Canon, Spire lost the Eye of Night and the Hand of Darkness to Abaddon Blood Angels had to rescue Spire from being killed! Nothing Spire has can defeat the Vengeful Spirit! (Horus and False Emperor launch METEORS at each other while in that ship!)

[@techpriest6252]

@@christiandauz3742 talking shit of my main man lord admiral "creed 2.0" spire

[@Oscar-j6b]

priests from now on I will call spire creed 2.0

[@26th_Primarch]

@@Oscar-j6b Spess Creed...

[@christiandauz3742]

@@techpriest6252 Spire's achievements are crap when you actually know the canon lore Creed got 'creed' by Abaddon and his BFF Krell had to sacrifice himself to save Creed! Creed got 'creed' by Trazyn as well

[@FulcrumK]

Thanks guys! Love you!

[@Fluffy1877]

Any chance you could start listing the music you use in your videos? Got a great vibe to them. Espcially the one from the CIS 10 flaws video the other day.

[@LotionSoronarr]

Not having womin in the military is a weakness.... That joke made my day.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Russian chick snipers had some of the highest infantry kill counts in WW2.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 Apparently, women are able to lie totally still for longer than men, and are better able to endure cold, giving them natural advantages as snipers, especially in cold climates.

[@davidho1258]

adepts are female

[@hoanier4273]

You also have high ranking female warriors like Salendis

[@sagesheahan6732]

FINALLY!!! More StarCraft!!!! XD

[@GALAXIE67]

Very interesting video/review!!👍☯️👍

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

Advanced psychic abilities, sophisticated technology, a refined warrior culture, no known association with the hated Dolphin menace - as Xeno scum go, not bad at all, and deserving of a warrior's death in battle instead of being wiped from existence by the indiscriminate annihilation of Exterminatus. Given the Imperium's stance on aliens, such high praise is but rarely conferred on even the least deviant of non-Humans.

[@345635356]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Protoss and the Imperium even come to an agreement. The Protoss and the Eldar sure as hell would. And the Orks would be considered an "interesting challenge" by the Protoss.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@345635356 Leaving aside all talk of Exrterminatus and Xeno scum for a (very short) moment, I think the Imperium could have the kind of watchful alliance in some circumstances with the Protoss that it does with the Eldar. We know that Guiliman is less xenophobic than most Imperial humans from 40K, having a fairly positive (though not what you would call trusting) relationship with Yvrainne, and generally being more concerned with ensuring humanity's survival than being obsessed with wiping out species like the Eldar or the Tau on a general point of principle, and Guilliman effectively runs the show in the Imperium now.

[@345635356]

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 I'd argue they'd do better with the Protoss, since the eldar are too proud for their own good while the Protoss have abandoned that attitude in favor of a more open-to-help aproach, considering they only killed the overmind and survived the battle of aiur because they had Terrans fight with them tooth and nail to the end. Guillamen might even find the Protoss to be able to help fight the psychic fight against the demons. Maybe even close the warp rift on terra that the emperor has been fighting to keep open. My biggest curiosity is what happens when the different factions of Protoss encounter the warp. Would the Khalai be corrupted, or would the dicipline and experiance of the Khala alow them to be somewhat resistant to corruption? What happens when the void energies of the Tal'darim and the Nerazim clash with the warp? Would the protoss create "warp wielders"? Would the psychic potential of the protoss become a concern for the demons?

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@345635356 Given the bad experiences the Protoss have had with Khala corruption in recent times, I suspect they would prudently want to stay as far away from the Warp as they were able. Amon was a nasty piece of work, but he was nowhere near as powerful as one of the Chaos Gods. If the Ruinous Powers once got their meat hooks into the Protoss, there would be no real way of reversing the process. It is not as though you can kill the Ruinous Powers like Kerrigan killed Amon. I wonder if the Protoss would be immune to the Shadow in the Warp? Since even non-psychic humans often start to go mad due to the whispering on the periphery of their senses the Shadow causes, it is possible any sensitive telepath might be vulnerable, even without Warp based powers. How would that interact with Protoss psychology and mental discipline? Could they mitigate the affects? How might it effect their psychic power nexus and so their technology?

[@345635356]

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 I thought similarily psychic powers could kill the ruinous powers? something the emperor of mankind is theoreticaly capable of? Also, I'd almos argue that warp and void would nulify eachother on contact so a Nerazim would be hyperlethal to demons. Its an interesting question isnt it? no race in sci-fi is more interconected with psychip powers than the protoss so the 40K universe would be interesting.

[@sephoralyon9598]

9:14 “The Khalai and their rape culture...” Are you shitting me? You dare slander the Protoss with no evidence anywhere in the games or other lore!? You wouldn’t be fit to lick the shit out of a Khalai’s crack, if they had any. You talked a lot of shit about the Protoss this video(that wasn’t even related to, or only questionably related to their navy), but that bullshit about “rape culture” was a bridge too far. The Protoss are some of the most honorable people, and to think they’d stoop so low as to rape someone is a sign of early onset dementia on the part of the accuser.

[@samyargo9752]

Thanks for not snubbing StarCraft as sci-fi channels are want to do. Video games are an art form which deserves your respect, and the writing and world building in the first StarCraft games are exemplary for the medium. (Altho admittedly it's embarrassing Micheal Bay-esque in the StarCraft 2 trilogy.)

[@samyargo9752]

I am, however, annoyed at your mispronounced words from the lore; these words are voice acted in the games, so someone who had played the game has no excuse. Also, the Kala is not a religion, as is often misconstrued (this may have been retconned, if so; my bad) but rather it is the actual psionic matrix itself; the literal unified consciousness of the entire species (which the Dark Templar avoid by cutting their tendrils), kind of like in Avatar, this matrix allows for a very real afterlife as the individual persists within it after death, and it is also how individuals are resurrected inside robotic Dragoon armors.

[@samyargo9752]

OMG THIS IS GETTING EMBARRASSING; "#8 - Lack of females in power" FOR FUCKS SAKE the literal supreme leader of the Protoss was THE MATRIARCH THAT WAS HER NAME CUZ SHE WAS A HER YOU DUMBASS DO YOUR RESEARCH She was executed by Kerrigan in the next to last mission of the Brood War single player(if you beat this mission in ?5? Minutes you got the secret mission), And it was a massive demoralizing blow and the sole objective of Artanis in the last mission is avenging her death. FFS, I.E. THE MOST IMPORTANT LEADER OF ALL PROTOSS AFFAIRS WAS, BY DEFINITION, A FEMALE.

[@Jeikobu]

I love star craft! *watches video* there must not be a lot of fleet flaws cause you spent most of this video talking about the species as a whole and only really critisized the carrier as a fleet ship.

[@GenerationFilms]

Good observation. You're right, there isn't an abundance of flaws with the fleet and in the advantages video we will talk a lot more about ships. In general, the lore isn't very comprehensive which means that much of the background on the ships doesn't go into enough depth to ever really reveal flaws.

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

I noticed this too in all honesty. Some flaws I'd like to add -Each individual Protoss ships are incapable of targetting mutliple targets at once (Blizzard did a big dummy by tying lore into game mechanics), making them too specialized. -No frontline/"battleship" of some kind, making them poor at close ranged combat -Has poor air support capabilities - glassing and planet cracking does not count as support -The entire fleet/Golden Armada is practicaly left for a single tribe's responsibility (Auriga Tribe). If Auriga decides to secede/rebel, the whole fleet goes with them.

[@chengliu872]

One issue is that although there units are good, they tend to be expensive and slow to build. It makes sense that it was done that way otherwise they would be tier 0 and banned in tournaments.

[@SpazMonkeyxd]

OMG FINALLY SOME ONE COVERS STAR CRAFT 😍😍 😍😍😍😍 😍

[@jasonsoto5273]

Great video, though i was hoping you would talk a bit more about the types of ships the protoss have, like tempests.

[@Maddtodd]

As a Protoss Main, your pronunciation of the different sects of the Protoss hurt's my heart... But otherwise I love the video and think it's pretty spot on!

[@mingming9604]

a couple of carriers with the repair drones and a group of void rays couplement each other real well!

[@pedrokantor3997]

Hey does anyone know what Protoss "honor guiding" means?

[@seanmccurdy80]

The protoss are pretty cool, for Xenos scum that is. Perhaps the inquisition can save them for last.

[@christiandauz3742]

Both Purifiers and Khalai are easy prey to Chaos Corruption!

[@345635356]

@@christiandauz3742 I'm not sure about that one... sure, I can see why chaos would corrupt them easy, but at the same time the Khala means that they have to keep emotion in check so as to not "overload the system" so it would be hard to corrupt a Protoss without the rest of the Khalai purging the corruption. You'd need a Demon Prince or Chaos God to completely corrupt the Khala, at which point Protoss will sever themselves from it as they did with Amon. Then there's the issue that the Protoss are psionically very very fucking powerful, probably more so than the average Eldar. They could be powerful enough to present a real threat to demons. My main curiosity is what would happen if a Tal'darim or Nerazim fought a warp spawn, as in what happens when Void energy clashes with Warp energy? Could these factions learn to use the Warp in the same way they do the Void? Its an interesting question.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@345635356 Amon created the Khala/Psionic nerve and the 'backdoor' Chaos can exploit that backdoor the same way he did Besides, the Tal'darim would be easy prey due to their drug use and mental instability Chaos can corrupt crippled Protoss through their tech (So Dragoons/Immortals as well as Purifiers are extra vulnerable) (It is one of the reason why tech is uneven and very slow progresses in the Imperium) (Even Necron tech and Tyranid flesh isn't 100% safe from Chaos) Void is not Warp Protoss are weaker than Eldar. The Eldar would have no problem beating the Zerg even in the smaller numbers of the Protoss To the Eldar, Zerg are babies compared to a single Tyranid Splinter Fleet (Which has thousands of Ships and TRILLIONS of Tyranids!) (There are only a few Billion Zerg at their peak) Ahriman once summoned a Mutated Space Whale (Bigger than an Imperium Battleship which themselves ARE VERY BIG) and he wasn't an Eldar (Granted Ahriman is a top-tier Sorcerer who could solo Amon or Xel'Naga Kerrigan but not even the most powerful) Warp is way different than the Void Who wins depends on the skills and magical power of the casters Primal Zerg are extra vulnerable to Chaos Some of them might not care as long as they become more powerful Mengsk, the Confederate Leaders and the Kel-Morian CEOs are also extra vulnerable!

[@nervon2393]

@@christiandauz3742 one fact you forgot about the zerg their adaptation so the zerg eat one eldar and bam they can make infested eldar / zerg-eldarhybrids and would prob beginn to mass produce the newer unit

[@christiandauz3742]

@@nervon2393 Yet they couldn't do that to the Protoss They got curbstomped by the UED and then by the Dark One

[@Clee-os6pv]

I love the protoss race, when playing SC 2. I give them a 5!

[@DocWolph]

Well, I know where GW got the T'au from.

[@admiralshadowofasunderedst3068]

Do the unsc and conaial navy from bsg

[@SgtRackhamm]

I know this series is gonna last a hot minute, but for your next one, could you do best mechs or best machines? I personally would love to see a comparison between battletech vs 40k vs gundam vs armored core

[@GenerationFilms]

We definitely want to do that at some point, I can't promise next, but I know that a lot of people are asking for it so it's on the radar.

[@SgtRackhamm]

@@GenerationFilms Don't matter to me. Love your stuff, and I just want to see more of it.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

Please do one on the colonials from Battlestar

[@trevorgecko8984]

There is one massive weakness completely skipped over. Lack of versatility in their technology. Protoss can't fix things... once a ship is damaged or armor scratched, they must replace the whole thing. Though yes they have grand understanding of advance science and theory, it was heavily narrowed by ripping off Xel'Naga tech, as a result they don't know how a lot of their stuff works, they just replicate it by rote, not by understanding. Though new units have sprung up as they gear more towards war against the Zerg, they stick to old methodologies and wasteful designs that are costly as oppose to focusing on efficiency.

[@DaczoZsuzsa]

maybe after this you could do a best sci-fi bug series

[@345635356]

I'd actually argue that the Terrans have a better-designed fleet than the Protoss. I mean a Carrier is good when working with other ships and all (that's where the Protoss fleet shines, when you put a bunch of them together to cover each other's strengths and weaknesses), but it's practically defenseless on its own, while a single Battlecruiser will give any opponent a hell of a fight, win or lose. Hell, the Zerg Leviathans are a better designed "warship" than most Protoss capital ship.

[@seancarroll9849]

True, but I do love the variety of craft at the Protoss' disposal when mixed properly. Corsair (ground suppression), Tempest (long range bombardment), Scout (multirole fighter), Arbiter (specialized warfare), Mothership (an outright combat vessel itself), Shuttle (transport), Warp Prism (transport and warp zone), Phoenix (air superiority), Void Ray (pinpoint beam attack), Oracle (specialized recon craft), Carrier (Interceptors galore), Observer (cheap stealth recon)....Even the freaking 'Spear of Adun' Arkship at the center of the formation for C&C. An entire army and fleet can warp in without a moment's notice. (Yes, I play stinking 'toss.)

[@345635356]

@@seancarroll9849 oh dude, no doubt about that. The Protoss fleet is amazing when working together, there's a reason the Golden Armada is so powerful. But a small patrol of ships (say 2 void rays and a carrier) would be torn apart by 2 battlecruisers or a couple corruptors

[@Belllcross]

I am pretty sure this is only true gameplay wise, not lorewise. If I remember correctly, lorewise a carrier would not lose to a standard battlecruiser, the hyperion sure because she is a beast, carriers are also more heavily armed lorewise.

[@pyeitme508]

PLEASE MAKE MORE EARTH IN STAR WARS?!

[@bigbigmurphy]

Vengeance shall be mine!

[@Thaidory]

There was a patch that reduced the price of the interceptors to 10 minerals (from 25 before) making carrier OP as fuck. Was nerfed to 15 minerals one patch late though.

[@barrybend7189]

Best mech based armies( 40K is not recommended as to give room to another franchise). My nomination is the Earth Sphere Federation from Gundam 00( they are still the most competent and least fractured of Gundam's many large factions).

[@adamkiraly9805]

Let 40k in, but only allow the small mechs, like the ad mech automatons, or at most the imperial knights, also I see u on archs videos so hello

[@dankovskimark4540]

Bias against 40K is strong in this one.

[@barrybend7189]

@@dankovskimark4540 eh well I like 40K but there's more room for others like Battletech if 40K is not there.

[@barrybend7189]

@@adamkiraly9805 I like 40K but I know its absolutely bonkers to compare to other sci-fi.

[@XMysticHerox]

I mean if you want to compare different sci fi universes you will always have to equalize them otherwise whats the point. You can absolutely put battletech and 40k in one video but you should look at the effectiveness of one over the other instead of technological advantage or similar.

[@Frostburnphoenix]

#1 i object. Mass carrier ALWAYS wins.

[@rager5865]

They are slow and easy to counter.

[@Frostburnphoenix]

@@rager5865 r/whoosh

[@brothersgt.grauwolff6716]

"Not Enough Minerals" 😊

[@IlIDOOMGUYIlI]

Spear of Adun itself is a huge threat to those who fight against protoss armada, It can literally freeze time and make a dimension rift, fire multiple plasma with the size of few kilo meters long cannon.

[@Sapper203]

Do they even have range weapons for their infantry. Cause all I see them do is melee combat

[@noone6359]

they had Dragoons with very high range in SC1 which were replaced by more mobile Stalkers, which can teleport short distances. As of the latest expansion they also have Adepts which can cast a shade and will teleport to that shade after some time. they actually only have one melee unit in their entire arsenal so I don't know where you got this idea.

[@williamharper6625]

One flaw I thought of, in the first one at least, is they lack medical personal and technicians to repair damages during battle. They do not regenerate like the zerg as well. All they have is a shield. However it can be removed by some attacks instantly. After the shields down what damages and injuries they suffer they have to soldier through.

[@jesseallen3109]

which actually makes them quite human. it's one of the reasons the Protoss learned to respect humans. We face shit they face WITHOUT shields.. Hell, we've faced WORSE.. without shields.

[@robbiebbadd]

You guys should do Battlestar Galicia

[@robertaylor9218]

The colossi fell out of favor because they were a dedicated fighting machine, and the Protoss had become a society largely of industry (think Japan during the Meiji restoration). While the Protoss honored their worriers, the use of machines with literally no other use but murder had fallen out of favor (personal weapons seem to have been the exception). The Zerg were such a massive threat that those horrifying machines were dusted off and rolled back into production.

[@pyeitme508]

COOL!!!!!!

[@jackferring6790]

I feel like some of your points are leaps in logic or overstated, but otherwise fair and nice to see the Protoss analyzed

[@shiinaai2978]

It's a good thing they didn't submit to the Khala anyway. Had they all accepted Khala, there would've been no more protoss resistance in the first place. The Khala was Amon's creation, just like the Zerg's Hive Mind was the creation of Amon. Both the Khala and the Hive Mind was created to allow Amon easy access to the Protoss when he revive.

[@Tydorstus]

For adun 4 only cuz i was a zerg main.

[@spaceman6463]

Starcraft yes

[@Allsmiles98311]

(Starcraft! Major props for covering a classic! With that said... the Protoss? Xenos sympathy on THIS channel? I am surprised! In all seriousness though, I will watch, and vote at the end, as I feel is accurate. And I understand that most of the major factions of the Terrans attempted to mind-control Zerg in order to use them as weapons to keep their authority. Sicking those horrifying xenos on their fellow humans to keep their power... utterly disgusting.)

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

It was only the UED that tried to tame the Overmind (to artificially control the Zerg) during the Brood War. There may be in other cases in expanded material, but otherwise, main line story, it's only the UED that tried that.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

The worst kind of Heresy indeed. The Ordo Xenos will not be pleased. If Mensk wasn't already dead, a visit from the Officio Assassinorum would be in order.

[@Allsmiles98311]

@@CallsignYukiMizuki (Actually, the Confederacy was running weapons tests on Zerg long before official first contact, and considered Mar Sara another such weapon test, intending to watch as the Zerg attacked the colony to judge their effectiveness. That's why they really arrested Jim Raynor and the militia. Sarah Kerrigan's backstory is heavily influenced by her being used to control Zerg in early experiments. And as for the Sons of Korhal/the Dominion... Tarsonis, and Mar Sara. They were responsible, in-game, for using the Psi Emitters to lure the Zerg to Tarsonis to wipe out the population, and THEN killed the Protoss who came to try to kill the Zerg, to make sure that the people of Tarsonis would die to the Zerg. And get Kerrigan killed, because Mengsk had a grudge against her that he'd been harboring for some time. And in the expanded lore, they were also the ones who actually used Psi Emitters to bring Zerg to Mar Sara. The Confederacy just capitalized on the Zerg's arrival, and the Sons of Korhal capitalized on their idiocy. Then the UED was straight-up trying to control the Overmind, and as we saw in the intro cinematic, were quite happy to witness a Zerg attack on a colony, again using it to judge their effectiveness, without helping the colony. And again, in expanded lore, it's stated that they actually caused that attack, to test out the Zerg.)

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

@@Allsmiles98311 Must have forgotten about the Confed part (just remembered; Jacob's Installation). Although I wouldnt really call using Psi Emitters to lure the Zerg into a planet as a means of "controlling" them

[@Allsmiles98311]

​@@CallsignYukiMizuki (I actually would, if only barely, however that's getting into semantics and the little details. The main point is that each of what wound up as the main Terran factions 'tried' to control the Zerg and use them against their fellow humans, with varying degrees of success. And that is utterly repugnant, and makes them traitors to humanity.)

[@h.plovecat4307]

Why is this on the films channel?

[@starsilverinfinity]

Zerg Next!

[@Battleship009]

It's said Tall-da-Reem(as in feed)

[@jimmcphearson7252]

Also he fucked up Rah-shah-gahl and Nehr-rah-zeem too. I suppose I can't expect them to play the campaign to hear the proper pronunciations though.

[@onepunchmantolkienfan5383]

Are you going to add Stargate series in the future?

[@bugaboo7520]

Can we get some terrain

[@jobanh7ify]

0:18 Lol I’m subscribing cause of the alien thing... #humanityfirst

[@jean-louispech4921]

Flaws for spaceships and units are not bugs, but features of the game for making it balanced between factions. A more realistic Carrier would more powerful with guns for defense and attack, like a an imperial destroyer in Star Wars. And the global fleet would be more strong.

[@duyang5357]

this is irrelevant to the video but... i'm a Vietnamese, xin chào

[@GenerationFilms]

Vietnam is an amazing place! I want to go back.

[@dohungdung6645]

Me too

[@astrobot4017]

We gotta get out of this place, if it's the last thing we'll ever do!

[@duyang5357]

@@astrobot4017 ??

[@astrobot4017]

@@duyang5357 Nothing, I just love the 60s (music I mean)

[@tba113]

+1 internet for proper use of "matrices" instead of the pleb's "matrixes"

[@Steelstriker]

Watch how many kids avtually look up the number to the consulate and call to complain after this videos. Lol

[@345635356]

Weakness N° 10 isn't really fair though. To those that don't know, the Xel'Naga is the Starcraft equivalent to a hybrid between an Old One and a Chaos God, coming from the Void, a parallel universe made of energy (similar in some ways to the Warp). When Amon, the evil Xel'Naga tried to invade the Starcraft Universe to purge it and replace all life with things in his image, the 3 main races (lead by the Protoss) first kicked his ass 3 ways to sunday in their dimension, then went to the Void to kill his ass in his home turf (imagine the Eldar race of 40k uniting, pooling their tech in to warp shielding, then charging in to the Eye of Terror to kill Slaanesh in the Warp itself with a little help from their own gods, and maybe the Imperium and the Tyranids/Orks. That's what the Protoss did in the face of a new, godlike enemy). What this shows is that the Protoss are adaptable motherfuckers (especially with the support of the other two races) and are willing to forge alliances of all kinds, sacrifice anything, and go to some very creative lengths to archive victory.

[@redamonblood5165]

who cringed when he pronounced narazim and tal'darem incorrectly? just me? okay

[@basicnothing8047]

Thanks I was looking for this...

[@camerongooch9606]

I love a good explicit offensive joke as much as the next guy but please make them even more offensive.

[@joshuawilliams9020]

Stargate tau'ri or asgard fleet please....

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

their women not having holes is a big downside you where right to point that out

[@ferencgazdag1406]

They didn't put machines (non-protoss) in lead, they put copies of themselves in lead (for the purifiers), and they revolted, because being mistreated. Also: the tempest are there to provide firepower, the carriers will just have to tank (with interceptors, witch they can constantly rebuild), and be a capital ship.

[@akumaking1]

"MY LIFE FOR AUIR!"

[@justinsmith9006]

other than the carrier dissing good video. the carriers with the repair modules are overpowered\the best thing ever! For the Emperor!

[@illidin23]

EN TARRO TASSADAR!!!!!

[@cpMetis]

EN TARRO ADUN!

[@illidin23]

@@cpMetis For the enclave

[@AugustAutumn]

illidin23 Did somebody say Enclave?

[@seancarroll9849]

*Corsair warps in* "It is a good day to die!"

[@illidin23]

@@seancarroll9849 POWER OVERWHELMING

[@stephenwood6663]

If memory serves, the issue with the Purifiers wasn't that robotic warmachines are inherently treacherous - rather, the Purifiers were an attempt to make mechanical Protoss, even to the extent of giving them a collective consciousness, since it was felt that a Protoss without some equivalent to the Khala was no Protoss at all. Having done this... they went on to treat them as disposable robot warmachines. The Purifiers didn't rebel because they were treacherous robots, they rebelled because they were proud Templar.

[@TankHunter678]

Which can be interpreted that as a society a big flaw they had was that any mind not connected to the Khala was one that a Khalai Protoss fundamentally had a hard time understanding and would subconsciously commit prejudice against. Which is what happened with the Dark Templar, and why they treated the purifiers so bad. They simply could not understand them because they could not just look into their mind to feel how they feel to then correct themselves. This naturally hints at an inherent racism, especially with how they saw other races as lesser unless that race put up as much of a fight as they could. This is why Protoss who fought alongside the Terrans saw them as worthy, while Protoss who had never encountered them, such as Rohana, still saw them as lesser. Though in Rohana's case she was in stasis at the time many of the protoss fought alongside the Terran and by the time she was woken up many of those Protoss had already cut off their connection to the Khala or were being mind controlled so she could not update her history. With LotV and the Protoss being cut off from the Khala they have to learn how to act without the training wheels and come to grips with how they treat others now that they are standing in the same shoes.

[@stephenwood6663]

@@TankHunter678 Precisely! To my mind, the biggest irony of Legacy of the Void is that the Purifiers are the last "real" Khalai left. It's also, in no small part, why I like the Purifiers so much: the Khala is absolutely central to Protoss society. Artanis may have won his war, but he's lost the culture he was fighting for in the process.

[@TankHunter678]

@@stephenwood6663 In truth he was not fighting for his culture when you look at it, he was fighting to save his species, his people, from extinction. The direct cause of that extinction was the very source of their culture: The Khala. Without the Khala Amon could not control his people like a hive mind. With the Khala his people were nothing more then materials to be used up for Amon's plans. So to Artanis the pain of developing a new culture, one not Khala based, was acceptable in exchange for saving his people from an absolutely terrible fate. He had also already seen in the Dark Templar and Terrans that it was possible. That it could work. It was Rohana who was the one who fought hard to try to preserve the culture, since the culture and history was her everything, literally. It was why she was the one who took the longest to decide to do the cut. While everyone else who were given the choice choose quickly. Those in the Golden Armada experience for themselves the results on not choosing to cut. So ultimately Artanis won the war on all fronts, hit all his strategic objectives, and put changes in motion that would allow his people to salvage what was left and live on. With everyone more as individuals instead of a collective he instilled the mindset through example that if you have the skills you can go beyond the limits of the cast you were raised in. He likely got the idea from the Terrans. He probably saw Engineers who fought with the same bravery, ferocity, creativity, and skill as any warrior, which is what gave him the idea that his own engineers could likely do the same.

[@stephenwood6663]

​@@TankHunter678 To be fair, the Protoss caste system had already been heavily eroded as early as the fall of Aiur: large numbers of the Judicator had been killed, and the Templar were picking up the slack (conversely, some Judicator, like Kizrath, demonstrated a far greater warrior spirit than their place in the caste system would imply). The precedent had already been set, it just took the Protoss some years to formalise it. It... remains to be seen whether the society forged by Artanis has the strength to last. During the war, the disparate elements of Protoss society had a very compelling reason to work together: mutual survival. Individualism is in many ways a very laudable thing, but championing individualism makes the formation of a stable society harder, especially if you have to do it from scratch. The Khalai were an empire. The Daelaam is more like a loose confederacy, and, at least for the time being, Artanis is probably the only leader whom all of its component peoples would accept.

[@maxdickson8649]

Imagine a scifi faction that had rly advanced tech but didn’t have a reclining population

[@twylakenarcher]

Do the Terrans next

[@ferencgazdag1406]

The purifiers didn't rebel because they were completely robots, the exact opposite happened: they rebeled, because they were treated as mere robots, but they had firstborn personalities and behavior. Such a thing won't ever happen with colossi or probes (exept for Probius of course).

[@HoneyBadger1779]

You know it's really weird, I had every rts , turn based, rpg and builder game of the time except StarCraft. We never got into StarCraft for some reason. Empire Earth, Age of Empires, Command and Conquer, Conquest Frontier Wars, Sim City, Populous, Elder Scrolls, Armada, Starfleet Command, Fallout..... But no StarCraft. Odd, because it was such a phenomenon.

[@Ballagorn_Ironblood]

Someone else have that feeling like this vid is about 10 Protoss Flaws overall?

[@jesseallen3109]

to be fair as someone said, the society itself does cause issues with the fleet. But on the same token, they didn't do research nor included books/comics that pointed out things like there are far more than what we see in Sc 1 and 2 in population, Carriers do in fact have point defenses, and that the reason they use robots is to compliment their numbers and lower their overall losses in wars. Because loosing 10000 robots and 200 members of the species is far better to have happened then to loose 10,200 members of the species.

[@chaospilot2142]

Terran fleet next?

[@HoggleToggler]

...🎶 don't need no shiny protoss flying machine. I'd rather have a clunky funky rusty scv!

[@royalegavi7643]

YESSSSSSS

[@TheIndignation]

She's not too prevalent in Legacy of the Void because (spoiler alert) she spends most of the time corrupted and possessed by Amon, but the one who became Executor after Artanis(/the player-character in BW) is Selendis, a female, which means the supreme commander (or 2nd in command if you count Hierarch Artanis) of the Khalai Protoss' military is female. That said, females in the Khalai military do appear to be few and far between among frontline troops anyway, though that may be more of just a gameplay thing. There are a handful of other female leaders you run into like Praetor Talis in the LotV prologue campaign.

[@jamesmcloughlin7385]

I had to double look at the thumbnail when I seen Protoss

[@deltafa23]

One significant flaws of the protoss are their shields. The protoss shields are vulnerable to EMPs

[@silvercrescent1264]

Carriers would be very ineffective in space combat. An Aviation Battleship would actually be a wholly more effective ship for space combat fielding powerful weapons of multiple categories (heavy, medium, light, pd) as well as having carrier capabilities.

[@mitchellgurney4390]

Protoss had been fighting the zerg for only as long as they reached the korpulu sector , they haven't been fighting outside of the game

[@crewcutter2030]

To be fair, the Protoss are walking space plants, so they might be reproducing by pollination :D.

[@DoublesOK]

I want to see stargate on here and in the Marines one

[@Davidh41690]

Your last point that, 'the Protoss only know how to fight the Zerg' even in the specific context of fleet makes little sense. Their first military encounter with the Terrans was a resounding success, proving they were far more technologically advanced and militarily capable.

[@mastersonogashira1796]

Void Ray? That unit still exist? I’m sorry, are we in HotS right now XD PS I know they got buffed but they are still hard to use