10 Moments That Nearly Destroyed Rock

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@slinkycrown8757
@slinkycrown8757 6 жыл бұрын
There are so many people that could’ve been legends and big rockstars but something happened and we will never know anything about them or what happened
@blindriv3r
@blindriv3r 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, and many that started to make it, but then were destroyed, like Danny Whitten, who Neil Young wrote The Needle and the Damage Done mostly for, and BEFORE he finally died, very sad
@stevenkolar8133
@stevenkolar8133 6 жыл бұрын
Tommy bolin
@backfromthedead4827
@backfromthedead4827 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinkinggg
@christianbelarmino9392
@christianbelarmino9392 5 жыл бұрын
i agree..as destiny would have it..if these people had all died, there wud have been other personas who would have continued the rock legacy in their stead. rock wud still live..duhh?
@mortasidhe1992
@mortasidhe1992 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of fantastic musicians work with me in an MI office. They just missed their break, or had a kid, or got arthritis, or some crazy minor thing that makes the tiny difference between stardom and a lanyard with your name on it.
@Slash18622
@Slash18622 5 жыл бұрын
That drummer from Nirvana kinda looks like the singer from Foo Fighters. Crazy.
@campbellbue5716
@campbellbue5716 5 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@campbellbue5716
@campbellbue5716 5 жыл бұрын
Amber_cakes133 Lee yeah it was a joke I think, I hope.
@campbellbue5716
@campbellbue5716 5 жыл бұрын
Amber_cakes133 Lee If he was still alive today I think nirvana would have died out anyway.
@amanda-182-9
@amanda-182-9 5 жыл бұрын
It's so crazy, someone should tell him 😱
@imyourpapi261
@imyourpapi261 5 жыл бұрын
@@amanda-182-9 it's a joke
@ShadowIsSnarky
@ShadowIsSnarky 5 жыл бұрын
My mom was buying us "Explicit Content" CDs when we were minors. She never believed in censoring. Visionary.
@ECartmanist
@ECartmanist 4 жыл бұрын
That right there,proved ratings don't work
@gerardosacar6968
@gerardosacar6968 4 жыл бұрын
Ur mom is a fucking god
@benjamincampbell2963
@benjamincampbell2963 4 жыл бұрын
Shadow
@s.a.l.1974
@s.a.l.1974 4 жыл бұрын
Just like my mom
@stupidthefish4981
@stupidthefish4981 4 жыл бұрын
I‘m actually glad there’s that stupid sticker now. I can tell which CD‘s the real deal.
@edoardoalves
@edoardoalves 6 жыл бұрын
Britney Spears singing "I Love Rock N' Roll"..
@GLee-oe3op
@GLee-oe3op 6 жыл бұрын
Edoardo Alves ironic
@ItsLoriK
@ItsLoriK 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know that happened. Yikes!
@loud-planet6489
@loud-planet6489 6 жыл бұрын
Gosh... Why on earth did someone ever claimed this a good idea
@Rekko82
@Rekko82 6 жыл бұрын
@Cameron Thompkins Metal fans. They are always crying. "Metal is dead" when they see Babymetal, Britney Spears or Avril Lavigne. They are super-emotional! Metal fans need mom's tits!
@j0seph1ne.mp3
@j0seph1ne.mp3 6 жыл бұрын
ew
@Spookyboi-dt7is
@Spookyboi-dt7is 6 жыл бұрын
Rest easy Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley (as well as every other fallen member of Rock and Metal)
@Funnivids100
@Funnivids100 6 жыл бұрын
Brad Nowell, Tom Petty, Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Dimebag Darrell, Vinnie Paul, John Lennon, George Harrison, Deloris O Riordan, Ronnie James Dio, Randy Rhoads, Lemmy Kilmister, Phil the Animal, Fast Eddie, Paul Gray, David Bowie, Audie Pitre, Cliff Burton, Keith Moon, John Bonham, Freddie Mercury. And many, many more
@Spookyboi-dt7is
@Spookyboi-dt7is 6 жыл бұрын
@@Funnivids100 you right
@IceNineThrills
@IceNineThrills 6 жыл бұрын
@@Funnivids100 Is Elvis Presley one? I know he was not technically rock but, I mean...
@henrywalton5967
@henrywalton5967 6 жыл бұрын
@@Funnivids100 don't forget Chuck S
@Funnivids100
@Funnivids100 6 жыл бұрын
@@henrywalton5967 and Peter Steele, hard to remember all of the late legends
@mattevans1643
@mattevans1643 5 жыл бұрын
You're going to put Elvis' military history on their but not Jimi Hendrix? Could you imagine a world where Jimi Hendrix got killed in Vietnam, and didn't go on to be one of the greatest guitarists of all time? I mean, that sounds pretty significant to me.
@Jsssddfgffghshdhdhusjsjd
@Jsssddfgffghshdhdhusjsjd 5 жыл бұрын
Jimi is better than Elvis as a guitarist, and inspired more people to pick up guitar than Elvis, who was more inspirational to singers. Jimi made guitar solos pretty much necessary in the eyes of future rockers.
@TopazBeast
@TopazBeast 5 жыл бұрын
Jimi Hendrix is easily the best guitarist imo.
@ashkara8652
@ashkara8652 5 жыл бұрын
@@TopazBeast well not easily come on.
@bardsimpson1404
@bardsimpson1404 5 жыл бұрын
@@TopazBeast ever heard of Buckethead?
@TopazBeast
@TopazBeast 5 жыл бұрын
@@bardsimpson1404 Yep
@gabefolco1888
@gabefolco1888 5 жыл бұрын
Number 1: still classifying imagine dragons as rock
@d0ppi034
@d0ppi034 4 жыл бұрын
I like them but they're not rock, more like Indie. Their song I'm so sorry is rock tho
@explodingegg123
@explodingegg123 4 жыл бұрын
i like imagine dragons they're one of the few good modern artists
@wastedheadedg3604
@wastedheadedg3604 4 жыл бұрын
Number 2: imagine dragons' entire career
@icannotcomeupwithanything4609
@icannotcomeupwithanything4609 3 жыл бұрын
@@explodingegg123 I can agree. Although I would never call them rock, sounds more pop to me.
@explodingegg123
@explodingegg123 3 жыл бұрын
@@icannotcomeupwithanything4609 i agree with u there they are definitely not rock but still a good band tho
@theunwelcome
@theunwelcome 6 жыл бұрын
my favorite quote from the Priest trial: "if I was putting subliminal messages in my music, the message would be 'buy more albums', wouldn't it?"
@mykenzieforbes5125
@mykenzieforbes5125 4 жыл бұрын
theunwelcome my favorite instance of a rocker on trial was Dee Snider. They expected him to prove them right but he showed up just how they wanted, full rocker garb and all and arguably did more than the other two rockers on the trial Edit: oof just finished the video, it was talked about a bit in the video
@2batgirl
@2batgirl 4 жыл бұрын
Made them all look like fools, just like Marilyn Manson does every time he does an interview and they underestimate him. I still remember that Tipper Gore douchebag. But the fact is, all the gore, violence, sex we are relentlessly subjected to does effect us as Americans as people. Deep into our psyche's. One trial won't solve it though. This isn't the cure, they never got that.
@chrispetritsch4959
@chrispetritsch4959 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the judge took that on board.That whole thing was just so fucking laughable and a massive indictment on the people who initiated the action!
@thatonedude1003
@thatonedude1003 6 жыл бұрын
Also...Grohl’s vocals on Nevermind. His harmonizing above Cobian brought those songs to another level. I am thankful for Grohl’s mommy....
@MakeMeLo
@MakeMeLo 6 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering the same thing lmao. As far as I remember, there was no back up singing and Dave never had a mic next to his face onstage either.....
@rjamison513
@rjamison513 6 жыл бұрын
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Dave did backing vocals on most of nirvana songs. You can look up most of these vocal tracks to hear Dave. I can name a few for you guys. For Nevermind he did them on the chorus of in bloom. On Drain You Dave did some in the verse and the whole chorus. Come as you are Dave did it on a few parts. Heart shaped box he even does low harmonies. I can go on and on, just listen to butch vig breaking the mixing down or watch live performances. OH AND Polly is like his most popular he plays a big role on the vocals. Also Dave ALWAYS had a mic by him on stage, he drummed and sang.
@somedaysometime
@somedaysometime 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty much all this ^ and the whole Paramount concert he sings harmonies with Kurt. Polly, Drain You, end of Aneurysm, on Been a Son it was great, etc. Pretty sure he sang the harmonies on the version on Incesticide too.
@thatonedude1003
@thatonedude1003 6 жыл бұрын
Gents...Dave sang on most songs. Turn on Nevermind...close your eyes and listen for it. He is all over it. Fast forward to Unplugged...still singing away. Grohl did a good job of complimenting Kurt’s raspy vocals.
@annekedebruyn7797
@annekedebruyn7797 6 жыл бұрын
Look up "Butch Vig Breaks It Down In The Studio" on KZbin. It's the producer/engineer breaking down multiple songs which reveals that indeed, Grohl did a lot of backing vocals on the album (and live shows, but we already knew that one.)
@roelofzinn8227
@roelofzinn8227 6 жыл бұрын
Food for thought: If Lemmy hadn't been fired from Hawkwind...
@theimmortalsleazus8057
@theimmortalsleazus8057 6 жыл бұрын
Yup beat me to it
@lenini056
@lenini056 6 жыл бұрын
Roelof Zinn then Hawkwind would have been huge in the US and because of his firing, the band would have never broken through the US markets.
@melgibsonfan9082
@melgibsonfan9082 6 жыл бұрын
Lemmy wasn't fired, the universe moved him on to a greater cause.
@lenini056
@lenini056 6 жыл бұрын
@@melgibsonfan9082 And that's sad for us American Hawkwind fans because they barely tour the US. The last time they did was back in 1995. They were gonna do it in 2015 which made shit my pants as a Hawk fan but cancelled due to guitarist's stress from an ex member deciding to jump the gun and tour the states under the name "Nik Turner's Hawkwind" (not the official original band). So a North American Hawkwind tour will never happen in my lifetime all thanks to Lemmy's firing. If you think that I'm "over exaggerating", then hand me money for a plane ticket to the UK, a hotel room at whatever British city the band is playing, food, and a freaking ticket to see Hawkwind live. (extra money is optional if I wanna buy souvenirs and a t shirt from the gig)
@timprescott4634
@timprescott4634 5 жыл бұрын
CRUSHED!
@joessatellights8714
@joessatellights8714 6 жыл бұрын
the drumming thing on "in bloom" "that's Chad" - Dave Grohl
@metalhammer5
@metalhammer5 6 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/b16aZ6yhf9Oee6M 8:45
@geteheh3h3636
@geteheh3h3636 6 жыл бұрын
He came up with it, but he didn't play it in the album
@NofreedomofspeechonYouTube
@NofreedomofspeechonYouTube 5 жыл бұрын
In bloom was recorded for bleach album and Chad played the drum it was added in Nerver mind album though
@cozycowboy
@cozycowboy 5 жыл бұрын
“Ckoockoockoockoockoockoo” - Dave Grohl
@kenwotamsain
@kenwotamsain 5 жыл бұрын
I thought the same. This channel has lost trust lol. Chad done the drums for in bloom end of story...
@egpmh2891
@egpmh2891 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite Slash stories involves him waking up in a body bag, as those trying to pump his stomach declared him dead, a few weeks later he bumps into a hammered Charlie Sheen and tells him to cut it out or he could end up dead.
@talsterenberg8244
@talsterenberg8244 6 жыл бұрын
I mean who sold more records, Jesus or the Beatles?
@meditatespace
@meditatespace 6 жыл бұрын
Ty.You made me laugh.
@matimacek6438
@matimacek6438 6 жыл бұрын
If you count The Bible as Records...
@matsen1153
@matsen1153 6 жыл бұрын
Id say Jesus. I mean, what if he's selling records in Heaven?
@Nathan-gd7xq
@Nathan-gd7xq 6 жыл бұрын
Who inspired more great music: Jesus or Satan?
@bkhai1041
@bkhai1041 6 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Ziebart I know you're trying to knock religion, and you do you, but what fucking sense does that even make? Lmao...
@WinStunSmith
@WinStunSmith 6 жыл бұрын
Les Paul May have been a jazz, blues and country fan, but having his injured elbow fused at a 90 degree angle, just so he could continue playing his guitar, is the most punk rock thing I’ve ever heard. 🤘
@dudeman1094
@dudeman1094 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say that's metal af...just as well the same tho...lol
@gustavnovak
@gustavnovak 3 жыл бұрын
He's a hell of a guitarpicker 1👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸👍
@masonkeith45
@masonkeith45 6 жыл бұрын
How about Dimebag not joining Megadeth?? We possibly wouldn’t have the groove style of Pantera
@SolarAdrift
@SolarAdrift 6 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of Exhorder?
@MGhoul27
@MGhoul27 6 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah dude Pantera rules.
@silovitipanj4958
@silovitipanj4958 6 жыл бұрын
Pantera didn't invent groove
@masonkeith45
@masonkeith45 6 жыл бұрын
Voivod never said invented. But if he joined Megadeth, Pantera would’ve ended without making CFH
@masonkeith45
@masonkeith45 6 жыл бұрын
bossome_ yes. Solid band
@lordtachanka7968
@lordtachanka7968 6 жыл бұрын
'Sorry wrong list'
@dominikrusnak8431
@dominikrusnak8431 6 жыл бұрын
How
@missblake8866
@missblake8866 6 жыл бұрын
@@dominikrusnak8431 I think it's because this video is very similar to the lists from WatchMojo
@sepix810
@sepix810 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe the narrator said it while referring to tool
@highanglelarry
@highanglelarry 5 жыл бұрын
He was in the same unit in the Army as Elvis. Also, though douchy as hell, the third reference on this list for that unit, Ol Axl has the unit crest Tattooed on his arm.
@evildead7597
@evildead7597 6 жыл бұрын
I didn’t realize there was a Z in Les Paul..
@darkspark7451
@darkspark7451 6 жыл бұрын
He just likes to say lez.
@melgibsonfan9082
@melgibsonfan9082 6 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of that. Hope she's hot.
@jebatman756
@jebatman756 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the guy thought it's short for Leslie, not Lester as it actually is...
@daBEAGLE1017
@daBEAGLE1017 5 жыл бұрын
There's a HWY at the end where I live. There's the Les Paul Highway in Waukesha Wisconsin. God bless this man.
@pdistler
@pdistler 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That was driving me crazy.
@SargeSerzh114
@SargeSerzh114 6 жыл бұрын
The very existence of Nickleback nearly destroyed rock
@clintmiller2408
@clintmiller2408 6 жыл бұрын
Yea I know it man fuck nicklecrap. ☮️
@mblund8711
@mblund8711 6 жыл бұрын
Their first couple albums were actually listenable. If you really want to pinpoint the moment Nickelback almost destroyed rock. Look no further than "Photograph".
@djcogdill9263
@djcogdill9263 6 жыл бұрын
@aidan's angels I'd rather listen to Nickleback and Creed than someone like fucking Hinder
@hksagemusic1617
@hksagemusic1617 6 жыл бұрын
*Theory Of A Deadman
@SargeSerzh114
@SargeSerzh114 6 жыл бұрын
@aidan's angels One of the crappiest and cheesiest post grunge bands of the early 2000s. They were practically made to be hated by 12 year olds at that time.
@joenouveau7109
@joenouveau7109 4 жыл бұрын
Fact: Brian May almost lost his arm in the early 1970s, when Queen were just getting noticed.
@BooBoo_17
@BooBoo_17 4 жыл бұрын
How?
@joenouveau7109
@joenouveau7109 4 жыл бұрын
RaceyCasey 17 He had an injection with a tainted needle and got hepatitis from it - his arm was worst infected. He almost had to get it amputated but somehow his doctors managed to save it.
@raspberrycrowns9494
@raspberrycrowns9494 4 жыл бұрын
I mean he could do what Def Leppard did to their drummer if he's really dedicated
@IABITVpresents
@IABITVpresents 5 жыл бұрын
"Can you imagine saying something like you being bigger than Jesus?" Kanye West: ...
@janfarkas8953
@janfarkas8953 4 жыл бұрын
Pussy
@jayzjar
@jayzjar 4 жыл бұрын
Ironically, the last album he made is called JESUS IS KING which is a gospel album, lol.
@D0M0C0RE
@D0M0C0RE 4 жыл бұрын
@@janfarkas8953 ok fuck you
@DTheAustralian
@DTheAustralian 4 жыл бұрын
This comment was made post-JIK, what are you talking about?? He likely doesn’t hold that belief now- and you know what John Lennon said, so even if he did it wouldn’t matter.
@jayzjar
@jayzjar 4 жыл бұрын
@@DTheAustralian No need to be triggered, I actually like Kanye, and he makes me laugh too. Those things he said like he's god etc. could be due to his bipolar disorder. I don't have a problem with JIK either, I think it's better than the Yeezus album... I just think he's funny, that's all.
@simonh.3148
@simonh.3148 6 жыл бұрын
Rock can't be destroyed... It's fucking ROCK
@hilly8000
@hilly8000 3 жыл бұрын
only paper can beat rock
@damf5488
@damf5488 3 жыл бұрын
@@hilly8000 aigth let me just create a new genre
@k1dofficial
@k1dofficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@damf5488 paper ?
@k1dofficial
@k1dofficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@damf5488the instruments are gonna be a piece of paper
@k1dofficial
@k1dofficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@damf5488 no vocals just paper
@erockpatton
@erockpatton 6 жыл бұрын
Wow a loud video without ghost!
@miguelherrera3707
@miguelherrera3707 6 жыл бұрын
Or Slipknot
@burroaks7
@burroaks7 6 жыл бұрын
idk man...... i don't think loudwire wants to admits ghost nearly derstroyed rock.......wait maybe they're saving that for 10 moments that nearly destroyed metal....
@alantaylorfc
@alantaylorfc 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but no Loud video without Tool worship.
@norgepalm7315
@norgepalm7315 6 жыл бұрын
Ghost is trash
@aTF2player
@aTF2player 6 жыл бұрын
@@burroaks7 why has everyone been dragging ghost recently?
@mztweety1374
@mztweety1374 6 жыл бұрын
Sharon saved Ozzys career, life, and freedom so many times it's ridiculous. She's the Jennifer Pryor of heavy metal
@Grrizo
@Grrizo 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The drumming of In Bloom was actually from Chad Channing, the previous drummer.
@sergiopg7790
@sergiopg7790 6 жыл бұрын
Nope, it was Grohl's
@Grrizo
@Grrizo 6 жыл бұрын
@@sergiopg7790 Grohl himself said it.
@sergiopg7790
@sergiopg7790 6 жыл бұрын
@@Grrizo I saw that interview but I think that he meant it was Chad Channing's influence, not playing it
@Fireglo
@Fireglo 6 жыл бұрын
@@sergiopg7790 i'm pretty sure Dave is a more reliable source than Wikipedia.
@acestringpicker
@acestringpicker 6 жыл бұрын
Chad played on In Bloom when they were doing demos with Butch Vig. Once they recorded Nevermind Butch wanted to start with In Bloom because he knew the arrangement. In the video where Butch breaks down Nevermind, he says "Dave and Krist had a good groove going," or something along those lines. Then goes onto the backup vox....but I clearly remember when the video played it showed "In Bloom- Featuring Chad Channing."
@jacobholbrook6049
@jacobholbrook6049 6 жыл бұрын
It just wasn't just dee snyder and frank Zappa. Probably the most surprising and strongest defender against the PMRC was John Denver. Probably the most popular musician at the time.
@BitchIInventedStubborn
@BitchIInventedStubborn 6 жыл бұрын
What I love most about that is that the PMRC were likely expecting Denver to take their side and he obliterated their arguments.
@theevildrummingsithlord1492
@theevildrummingsithlord1492 6 жыл бұрын
​@@BitchIInventedStubborn Really? That's interesting.
@eyellgeteven9928
@eyellgeteven9928 6 жыл бұрын
@@BitchIInventedStubborn John Denver was awesome.
@Uvevwevwevwe
@Uvevwevwevwe 6 жыл бұрын
Jello Biafra too!
@Fireglo
@Fireglo 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter. The PMRC won regardless. They got their labels.
@pinemarten7509
@pinemarten7509 6 жыл бұрын
Everybody say thank you to Dave's mom👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@Mr__Joe
@Mr__Joe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, dude!
@sfsf5555
@sfsf5555 6 жыл бұрын
nope
@yeah3096
@yeah3096 5 жыл бұрын
What about randy rhoades friend
@shaneb.9458
@shaneb.9458 5 жыл бұрын
*THANK YOU DAVE'S MOM!!* 🤘🏻😎
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 6 жыл бұрын
Surely the birth of Fred Durst should be on here?
@letsgorangers217
@letsgorangers217 6 жыл бұрын
Rob Ashton Haha so original
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 6 жыл бұрын
@@letsgorangers217 Found the Limp Bizkit fan. There had to be one somewhere I suppose. I hope you recover soon.
@letsgorangers217
@letsgorangers217 6 жыл бұрын
Rob Ashton So mature. Found the elitist douchebag who can’t accept that other people like different things. I don’t even like Limp Bizkit really.
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 6 жыл бұрын
@@letsgorangers217 That's it! Give in to the butthurt! Let it flow through you! Yeeeesssss!!! LOL! "Elitist douche-bag". That's priceless!
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 6 жыл бұрын
@Jeenius Foo Exactly.
@nicholaswaltermire
@nicholaswaltermire 4 жыл бұрын
I know he wasn't metal but John Denver's testimony against the PRMC was considered the most impactful. Gotta give the respect when it's due.
@nicksutera1869
@nicksutera1869 6 жыл бұрын
Actually chad Channing’s wrote the drum part for in bloom
@chanceishikawa1699
@chanceishikawa1699 6 жыл бұрын
Nick Sutera Chad’s contributions to grunge continue to go unnoticed 😩. Great drumme.
@s0m3cunt91
@s0m3cunt91 6 жыл бұрын
Dale Crover is also technically a better drummer than DG.
@theimmortalsleazus8057
@theimmortalsleazus8057 6 жыл бұрын
Chad channings albums were better imo.... I love Dave grohl tho. Sorts how I prefer Jake e Lee to rhoades i do love zakky bois pinch harmonics but I listen to all eras
@tamadrummer1nz
@tamadrummer1nz 6 жыл бұрын
Chad and Dale played on Bleach. Dave played all of Nevermind apart from Polly. Chad and played some of songs live before Dave joined the band, In Bloom and Breed
@aneurysm341
@aneurysm341 6 жыл бұрын
Who played on Incesticide? More importantly... who played on Aneurysm? Sounds like Grohl
@nicknottelling6636
@nicknottelling6636 6 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget about Rick Allen from Def Leppard. He got in a car crash on new yrs eve 84/85 and lost his arm. He had a lot of dedication and used electric drums with more pedals so he could accommodate for having only 1 arm. By setting the programs with the pedals as different drums he was able to play quite well, and after all these years continues to play live on tour with the classic 80’s-90’s band
@nerdy_.rockstar8254
@nerdy_.rockstar8254 4 жыл бұрын
My brother told me about that. I was so confused about how one could do that! strong dude.
@michaele5173
@michaele5173 6 жыл бұрын
The day MTV replaced Headbangers Ball with Yo MTV Raps.
@liammcnicholas918
@liammcnicholas918 4 жыл бұрын
Headbangers Ball still existed even after MTV Raps debuted.
@michaele5173
@michaele5173 4 жыл бұрын
@@liammcnicholas918 Yes, I'm aware. They put it on in the middle of the night.
@redrick8900
@redrick8900 Жыл бұрын
@@michaele5173 Yeah, because hard rock got to profane for the afternoon.
@bgvideos9030
@bgvideos9030 6 жыл бұрын
Yo! John Denver!!! He testified with just as much power and influence as Zappa and Snyder at the PMRC hearings. Don't write him out of the story.
@dirtyboy601
@dirtyboy601 5 жыл бұрын
Didnt he lose a ride to space because of his testimony. Some should do a vid about it
@famouslastwords0791HR
@famouslastwords0791HR 4 жыл бұрын
He certainly did! I actually just watched all three speaking on that day and LOVED Dee of course. Zappa was okay he just came in with an attitude that kinda alienated some people i think. And Denver was really great. Made strong points and spoke with conviction. I think the fact that he was not a rock musician helped as well. It's wrong to exclude him.
@ArkaeaFCL3
@ArkaeaFCL3 5 жыл бұрын
I actually liked the bleach album. It's a brutal, raw and angry version of nirvana. More hardcore punk than what we got on nevermind. Bleach doesn't get the credit and praise it deserves.
@Rpr1580
@Rpr1580 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's really good
@LouieR.4682
@LouieR.4682 6 жыл бұрын
We should thank the PMRC, because there's no such thing as bad press. How many albums went multiplatinum because of them and the parental label. The judas priest trial was a joke. Those that study music say that you can hear whatever you want playing anything backwards.
@TheFujac
@TheFujac 6 жыл бұрын
the priest trial is a joke now and to those of us who love metal it was a joke then but it was a serious accusation and it rallied conservatives all over the globe in the fight against 'evil' music.....if they had been found guilty things would be very different today.... what blows my mind is why people who listen to 'normal' music can kill themselves all the time but nothing is said about their music choices......
@Fireglo
@Fireglo 6 жыл бұрын
No albums went platinum because of the PMRC. Millions of people don't go "they say this is bad so let's all flock and buy it".
@Fireglo
@Fireglo 6 жыл бұрын
@@TheFujac "if they had been found guilty things would be very different today" umm no they wouldn't. One trial doesn't determine the outcome of all other trials of that nature.
@jpcrafton69
@jpcrafton69 6 жыл бұрын
@@TheFujac Conservatives? No. As a Conservative, I can tell you straight-up that censorship was never part of the Conservative platform in the 80's. Yes, some "Conservative" politicians (like the RINO Paula Hawkins) joined Al Gore and his wife Tipper in supporting the PMRC. Even so, the biggest outcry came from other groups - specifically moderate churches and soccer moms. During that time, the Republican party platform was strictly anti-censorship, while the more conservative churches tended to push individual responsibility for avoiding "sinful" activities, rather than forcing such responsibility on the government. The biggest supporters of the PMRC in government were Tipper Gore (a very, very liberal Democrat) and her coalition.
@TheFujac
@TheFujac 6 жыл бұрын
@@jpcrafton69 the labels people wear don't often match the labels that fit, especially when it comes to politicians. Conservative is a mind-set, not a political label
@solospiritgirl7886
@solospiritgirl7886 6 жыл бұрын
I really thought Def Leppard's drummer, Rick Allen, losing his left arm in a car crash might have made it to this list!!!
@chrispetritsch4959
@chrispetritsch4959 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you think that? It made no difference to the band nor there music,i believe.
@lovelar23
@lovelar23 6 жыл бұрын
IDK, Grohl's like a force of nature, If not with Nirvana, he would have had a breakout with another band, he was already with Scream at the time, he was like a local legend at that point..
@RickReasonnz
@RickReasonnz 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you appreciate how important Nevermind was for the 90's. It's not just about Grohl.
@MrLump
@MrLump 5 жыл бұрын
Lucas Ovelar They would have made it without grohl.
@m00t53
@m00t53 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrLump Extremely debatable. Dave is an essential part of the most well known Nirvana sound. Without the thundering drums in Teen Spirit, it'd be very easy to argue that Nevermind wouldn't have exploded the way it did
@anthonylipka5874
@anthonylipka5874 6 жыл бұрын
What if Keith Moon never said Jimmy Page's new band would sink like a lead filled zeppelin?
@Nathan-gd7xq
@Nathan-gd7xq 6 жыл бұрын
They would have been called something else.
@hhhfff7953
@hhhfff7953 6 жыл бұрын
They would have a different name. The band would be the same, dickhead.
@anthonylipka5874
@anthonylipka5874 6 жыл бұрын
@@Nathan-gd7xq suggestion?
@Nathan-gd7xq
@Nathan-gd7xq 6 жыл бұрын
@@anthonylipka5874 The Haunted Pterodactyls From Jupiter
@Thomas828
@Thomas828 6 жыл бұрын
Hobbstweedle. That's the band Robert Plant was putting together at the time Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones were looking for a drummer and a singer.
@robynewilliams-heller1816
@robynewilliams-heller1816 5 жыл бұрын
Celine Dion "Doing" AC⚡DC. LOL! That almost RUINED me for life
@sketchonomadek5270
@sketchonomadek5270 6 жыл бұрын
Ayeeee. I was just listening to Nirvana when the notification appeared.
@punkstar6732
@punkstar6732 6 жыл бұрын
same
@zoeyjoziee8885
@zoeyjoziee8885 5 жыл бұрын
Same Incesticide
@timprescott4634
@timprescott4634 5 жыл бұрын
Same! Freebird! OMG...
@man-h5y
@man-h5y 5 жыл бұрын
Also i was listneng to rhcp when it arrived
@dylanundead8379
@dylanundead8379 5 жыл бұрын
The Filthy 15 should be an album. That’d be sick.
@nunyabiz3830
@nunyabiz3830 5 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, you should also be thanking John Denver for taking on the PMRC. Yes, that John Denver. He also testified to Congress against music censorship.
@theriffwriter2194
@theriffwriter2194 5 жыл бұрын
What? A loudwire video with narration? Look who's learning how KZbin works (pinches cheek). So proud 🤗
@arianastrong8036
@arianastrong8036 4 жыл бұрын
A standing ovation for Dave's mother 👏👏👏👏
@Benjamin_Lees_
@Benjamin_Lees_ 5 жыл бұрын
"10 Moments that killed rock" **Thumbnail of a Grunge band**
@Cschnl_shoppingkart
@Cschnl_shoppingkart 4 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Lees isn’t grunge rock?
@turkishdelight600
@turkishdelight600 4 жыл бұрын
Fucking idiot
@Cschnl_shoppingkart
@Cschnl_shoppingkart 4 жыл бұрын
Nery Likes Rock that’s what I thought.
@liammcnicholas918
@liammcnicholas918 4 жыл бұрын
And when grunge died, Creed and Nickelback emerged, and killed of rock in the mainstream.
@VeryUsMumblings
@VeryUsMumblings 5 жыл бұрын
4:25 You forgot John Denver was at the PMRC hearings, too. Denver was under scrutiny for his song Rocky Mountain High, which was banned from several radio stations for 'drug related lyrics'. I know John Denver isn't metal, but neither is Frank Zappa, really. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJi2m516a9eFq5Y
@WhisperShield
@WhisperShield 6 жыл бұрын
The thing with John Lennon saying the Beatles were bigger than Christ, we wasn’t lying. Also, The Filthy Fifteen could’ve been any full-length Zappa album. Genius level trolling at its best.
@jasonwiggins6137
@jasonwiggins6137 5 жыл бұрын
To suggest Nirvana wouldn't have been the same without Gruhl is a joke. Kurt was the talent and from Dave's own words, Kurt taught him about writing songs and lyrics. Nirvana would have been just fine.
@hexenhammer7532
@hexenhammer7532 5 жыл бұрын
Agree, it was Kurt who was the driving force not Grohl. Kurt Cobain is Nirvana, so even if you replace the drummer and bassist, it doesn't matter. People will still like Nirvana.
@niaboctruk138
@niaboctruk138 5 жыл бұрын
But they were not the same with the 5 previous drummers. So I think Grohl played a major part as did Krist.
@bravepart
@bravepart 4 жыл бұрын
If it was ass Kurt it also wouldn't have been anything like it is. Successful bands, good music is all a collaborative effort or it's generally trash. Even solo artists get assisted by Producers
@m00t53
@m00t53 4 жыл бұрын
Dave was an essential part of the Nirvana sound and even Kurt would've told you that. Put Chad Channing on Nevermind and it doesn't even crack the top 15 in 91 guaranteed. Chad was great but Nirvana needed heavy thundering drums to complete its true sound. Imagine hearing Teen Spirit without the explosive aggressive opening hook or Heart Shaped Box without the echoing rhythmic crash cymbals. There is no way they would've been the same. Bands are the sum of all parts. Very few can claim to be carried by one person and the ones that can are the ones that have only ever had one permanent member
@boohoomoron7629
@boohoomoron7629 6 жыл бұрын
You missed two of the big moments 1. Farrukh Bulsara to Freddie Mercury 2. Jim Morrison the poet to jim Morrison the Trinity of holy rock n roll
@JesusRamirez-gp5sk
@JesusRamirez-gp5sk 4 жыл бұрын
To me honestly I would have added the death of the great Bon Scott, especially after making an album like highway to hell I would have wanted way more. AC⚡DC Forever.
@noahsaurfvckas2737
@noahsaurfvckas2737 6 жыл бұрын
Where's the death of three rock n' roll icons? Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper?
@cau_pse_jaksemas
@cau_pse_jaksemas 6 жыл бұрын
John Bonham's death..
@keitha.563
@keitha.563 Жыл бұрын
Would of loved a New Zep album in the 80's and not Coda even though I still love it.
@jamesm3235
@jamesm3235 6 жыл бұрын
For the tool one MJK and Adam Jones would constantly ask Danny Carrey to jam with them and always said no until one time he felt bad because someone who was going to play with them didny show. Once Danney played with them he was hook if he never took that chance then no Tool APC or Puscifer
@mellofest4059
@mellofest4059 5 жыл бұрын
Im a simple man, i See Kurt i click
@famouslastwords0791HR
@famouslastwords0791HR 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Every time.
@richardkey4289
@richardkey4289 5 жыл бұрын
#11.- that day in grade 9 when mom rented a bass & amp for me, my atonal noodling might have made EVERYONE quit music.but it wasn't that loud so only a few people ever heard my only gig.( just a few friends hangin' out at Colby s house)
@tylerspatafore9315
@tylerspatafore9315 6 жыл бұрын
Anybody else see the bloody snare head that Jay Weinberg posted on Instagram🤘🏻slipknot album is gonna be crazy
@harrymanback5133
@harrymanback5133 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep doing stuff like that
@lt7601
@lt7601 6 жыл бұрын
What about the day the music died?
@solomonjones5713
@solomonjones5713 6 жыл бұрын
Smoking Thrillz umm, it hasn’t..
@lt7601
@lt7601 6 жыл бұрын
@@solomonjones5713 Rock and Roll lost three young talented artists.
@BattleCryForFreedom
@BattleCryForFreedom 6 жыл бұрын
We were singing, "Bye, bye, Miss American Pie." Drove our Chevys to the levy, but the levy was dry. We lost four influential musicians to plane crashes. Three died in 1959. One died in 1977. The music of Ritchie Valens, Buddy Holly, J.P. Richardson, and Ronnie Van Zant shall forever be epic.
@solomonjones5713
@solomonjones5713 6 жыл бұрын
Smoking Thrillz ya but that doesn’t make the genre dead. That’s my point
@RickReasonnz
@RickReasonnz 5 жыл бұрын
Missing the point there. This list is about events that, if they happened, would make rock diminished. Day the Music died DID happen, so it doesn't count.
@craigknauer6535
@craigknauer6535 5 жыл бұрын
That's not Tipper Gore at 4:30. That's Mariel Hemingwway playing the part of Tipper Gore in the movie "Warning: Parental Advisory."
@rabinkhadka8382
@rabinkhadka8382 6 жыл бұрын
What if jimmy page never met robert plant.
@sgt.wolfenstein0818
@sgt.wolfenstein0818 4 жыл бұрын
4:33 Does anyone know the link for this?
@DrEvil-nx3xx
@DrEvil-nx3xx 6 жыл бұрын
When people lose their kids (that listened to metal) they are too struck by guilt and grief to realize that the artists didn't have an agenda against their kid. The artists shouldn't have to ever be responsible for someone else's decision. It's easy to look for an external source to place the blame upon, but at the end of the day, no musician should be sued for their message.
@richardkey4289
@richardkey4289 5 жыл бұрын
That judas priest lawsuit might have been fueled by grieving parents looking for an explanation, as well as overzealous lawyers & prosecutors looking for a way to get famous....
@rogerstill71
@rogerstill71 6 жыл бұрын
You attach more significance than I do to these events.
@MIZORAM_mafaka_hnamte
@MIZORAM_mafaka_hnamte 6 жыл бұрын
_"the Decline of western civilization" Documentary destroyed 80's Metal_
@morbid333
@morbid333 6 жыл бұрын
Only really the glam bands. Thrash and death did just fine.
@Fireglo
@Fireglo 6 жыл бұрын
No it didn't. Hair metal was still having hits in the early 90's. Warrant - Cherry Pie, Poison - Unskinny Bop, Something to Believe In, Mr. Big - Just Take My Heart, To Be With You, Vixen - Rev it Up, Love is a Killer, Damn Yankees - High Enough, Ratt - Loving You is a Dirty Job etc. Penelope acts like she changed the course of history with her film that no one even watched. Hair metal was doing fine for years after that film dropped. It went out of fashion around 93.
@siler7
@siler7 6 жыл бұрын
'80s.
@richferguson6860
@richferguson6860 5 жыл бұрын
I always wondered if all the band's in that film were real or some were actors portraying bands
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 5 жыл бұрын
@@richferguson6860 Actually, they were the guys from the bands, however... Perhaps not as accurate as it could have been. Case in point, as per Paul Stanley, for his segment, she asked him what the most Rockstar thing he could think of, was. He'd responded "I don't know, lying on expensive silk sheets with two women." Thinking it was just a general question. Then when it came time to do his interview, there was the bed with the two women, to which he was internally losing it like a little kid, thinking "This is so awesome!"
@pablomolina443
@pablomolina443 5 жыл бұрын
Actually Adam Jones was already a succesful plastic artist, he sculpted the velociraptor and T-rex of jurasic park, also worked doing the special effects of Terminator 2 and some more movies, he made the choice of playing ewith Tool full time because he had nothing to loose.
@eskimogioia9848
@eskimogioia9848 5 жыл бұрын
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You forgot John Denver's role in the filthy fifteen.
@davidnissim589
@davidnissim589 4 жыл бұрын
Rick Allen (Def Leppard's drummer) losing his left arm in a car crash? He thought he would never play drums again, but he had a special kit made for him (he has a series of pedals connected to a drum machine that make the sounds of the parts he used to play with his left arm), and ultimately continued. The next album he would record after his accident was Hysteria, one of the biggest albums of the 1980's.
@richardramirezthecat8147
@richardramirezthecat8147 5 жыл бұрын
When I saw Alice in Chains I said " the 80's are over, then I saw Nirvana and knew it was over.
@abusabsi
@abusabsi 6 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@kieranleski
@kieranleski 6 жыл бұрын
im pretty sure if Jimmy Page had followed through with his original creative calling of becoming a painter instead of a guitarist modern music would be very, very different as well
@keitha.563
@keitha.563 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree 💯
@IronheadOfScroteus
@IronheadOfScroteus 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot to add John Denver to the list of those who spoke against the PMRC along with Dee Snider and Frank Zappa. Denver's disarming country boy charm quickly turned to shrewd, intelligent eloquence when he took the floor and left everyone gobsmacked. Dee Snider became an instant fan. He'll confirm this if you get a chance to ask.
@Uvevwevwevwe
@Uvevwevwevwe 6 жыл бұрын
When mentioning PMRC you should have mentioned Jello Biafra. He obliterated Tipper Gore on live TV, and consistently was one of her biggest critics.
@richardkey4289
@richardkey4289 5 жыл бұрын
That whole thing might have been to help raise Tipper's & All s profile to further their political careers
@jonnuanez2843
@jonnuanez2843 3 жыл бұрын
1985: PMRC 2020: WAP-Song of the year
@maluorno
@maluorno 5 жыл бұрын
John Denver was also pretty savage in that PMRC hearing
@nickg1307
@nickg1307 4 жыл бұрын
i hate how everyone puts Slash and Guns N Roses as some kind of super group, they barely played good shows, they were fucked up and dysfunctional. There are tons of other groups who have more hits, more influence and more consistency...
@GLee-oe3op
@GLee-oe3op 6 жыл бұрын
There was a way to stand up the the man and it was called rock and roll, but no! The man ruined that too with a little thing called MTV
@abowla7187
@abowla7187 6 жыл бұрын
No. It was the internet.
@GeoffreyGentryMusic
@GeoffreyGentryMusic 5 жыл бұрын
It's a School of Rock reference...
@dddux
@dddux 5 жыл бұрын
Money ruins everything.
@Gothic109
@Gothic109 5 жыл бұрын
These are the saved ones, imagine how many future legendary bands we lost before they had their chance. We have no idea and never will
@KISSFanDan1995
@KISSFanDan1995 6 жыл бұрын
Slash auditioned for KISS in 1983 after Ace Frehley left but was let go due to him being only 16.
@booneadams2003
@booneadams2003 5 жыл бұрын
If you think about it there could’ve been millions of other bands and people that could change rock and music history but chose a different path in life
@euanmangan7760
@euanmangan7760 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine some alternate universe in which they would say that Kurt cobain's suicide attempt succeeding would have changed rock forever
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think they would have gone the same way as Pearl Jam, where they blew up exponentially, then kind of slow burned throughout the 90s and into 2000 (Pending they would have stayed together that long), and every time they come out with a new album, it sparks a little interest and that's it. I realistically don't think this perspective of Nirvana being the greatest band ever, to the point of being played on the rock stations ever hour, would be a thing. I'm reminded of that quote from The Dark Knight, where you die the hero, or live long enough to be the villain. However, adjusted for music, it'd probably be that you either die the megastar, or you live long enough to fade into obscurity. I mean, look at someone's trajectory like Jim Morrison's, versus Johnny Cash's. When Rick Rubin hit him up to do an album with him around the turn of the century, he'd been playing to rooms of a couple hundred people for over a decade. Then, he made the huge come back and died a star. Or look at Meat Loaf, he was pretty much off the radar for the entire 80s, came back, but now he's off the radar again. My point being is that most former stars don't usually get the come ba k, but when they do, it's just kind of repeating the process.
@user-wm8ib
@user-wm8ib 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Sforza If you heard Kurts unreleased tracks he recorded at home it was going to be filled with acoustics as well as some electric. It would’ve been their greatest album in terms of creativity. Shame.
@m00t53
@m00t53 4 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonySforza He was obsessed with the quote, "It's better to burn out than to fade away". It seems like Kurt was destined to die famous. He didn't want to go the route PJ ultimately did. He was tired. Life had weathered him down to nothing and he didn't want to just slowly lose what he had left of himself so he decided to destroy it. He never really wanted the life of a star. He hated the mainstream corporate rock scene and he still got caught in the trap. He was either gonna get stuck making radio friendly crap that he hated or he was gonna fade from the scene entirely and go back underground because his style of music doesn't fly with the corporate fuckwads that rule the industry. Tell me the last time you heard anything from Incesticide on the radio or Bleach that isn't About a Girl
@Lalalunatix
@Lalalunatix 5 жыл бұрын
I love that Tool, APC, and Puscifer not not existing made the top of the list. I couldn't imagine not being able to hear them. I could not agree more with the top spot. :)
@cooperhilinsky5939
@cooperhilinsky5939 5 жыл бұрын
When Tipper Gore looks eerily like Mariel Hemingway
@TimHeinz-htimba
@TimHeinz-htimba 5 жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for the Judas Priest trial, there wouldn't have been a Painkiller album. And besides that, Better By You, Better Than Me isn't even Judas Priest's song. It was a cover of a Spooky Tooth song.
@connormckee4431
@connormckee4431 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like Tony’s accident created their sound rather than potentially destroying it
@madflynn4856
@madflynn4856 4 жыл бұрын
that's why it's on the list cause he might not have played
@joelmacdonald6994
@joelmacdonald6994 4 жыл бұрын
If Tony Iomi’s accident hadn’t happened, we still wouldn’t have the metal sound we have today. Tony started the trend of downtuning and power chords in metal. His playing changed because of the accident, and his playing is among the most influential in metal.
@rejectedautobiography
@rejectedautobiography 5 жыл бұрын
Les Paul was not the inventor of solid body guitars.
@guitarcohen2224
@guitarcohen2224 4 жыл бұрын
Who was them
@rejectedautobiography
@rejectedautobiography 4 жыл бұрын
@@guitarcohen2224 ummmm.... Google it and research it yourself maybe? I'll give you a clue.... Slingerland Model 401
@joshhoehn
@joshhoehn 5 жыл бұрын
Scream broke up and Dave Grohl was he was stuck in California. He was told that a band out of Seattle called Nirvana was looking for a drummer he called his mother and ask her what he should do she you need to do what is best for you and so he joined Nirvana.
@helpidroppedmydignity6138
@helpidroppedmydignity6138 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think the Beatles quote would be as shocking today. Atheists are as loud as Christians online, they would get a lot of support...but cause a shit ton of pointless Twitter feuds
@dddux
@dddux 5 жыл бұрын
Bro, Christians are always loud. Louder than an earthquake. But true, public media is more open to atheists these days. Thankfully.
@ThemFuzzyMonsters
@ThemFuzzyMonsters 5 жыл бұрын
0:55 - Les invented his version of a solid body instrument and Gibson passed on it. A few years later, in reaction to Fender’s success, Gibson created their solid body guitar; they were going to make a solid body guitar but they thought a famous name would help sales, so they called Les ... kinda like George Forman and his grill.
@ieatass5101
@ieatass5101 6 жыл бұрын
I love how Loudwire always puts Tool on the highests posisions in all their tops, Spiral Out.
@motorinmaineiac5081
@motorinmaineiac5081 5 жыл бұрын
Dave Mustaine NOT getting fired from Metallica, Syd Barrett NOT being replaced by David Gilmour. There are literally tons of what ifs that would have completely changed some of the most influential bands in rock had they happened. My personal favorite what if, What if Jimmy Page had never joined the Yardbirds(he almost didn't).
@joerandom2957
@joerandom2957 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the Day the Music Died...
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 5 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, Osborne gave Rhodes the job after hearing him ay some random licks which sounded amazing to him... After he was given the job, Rhodes a was surprised and responded with "Those are just my warm up scales."
@Chaser627
@Chaser627 6 жыл бұрын
If judas priest lost in court death metal black metal or metal in general would have gone extinct
@renapeppers20
@renapeppers20 6 жыл бұрын
Great list!
@ives3572
@ives3572 6 жыл бұрын
Well, rock and metal music are here to survive and stay for people of good taste in music!
@mikedavis3840
@mikedavis3840 5 жыл бұрын
In the hearings before the congressional committee considering a proposal to “rate” music, the testimony of Frank Zappa and Dee Snyder was crucial, yet it was the testimony of the clean cut, popular country singer John Denver, opposed to what he called “artistic suppression”, that swayed the committee. Just some useless information....
@Danjoker.
@Danjoker. 6 жыл бұрын
Things happen for a reason.
@ShengTai80
@ShengTai80 6 жыл бұрын
since when?
@Danjoker.
@Danjoker. 6 жыл бұрын
@@ShengTai80 since then
@enigma1247
@enigma1247 3 жыл бұрын
It goes both ways. Imagine how many legendary artists did make the wrong decision and quit pursuing music that are out in the world somewhere right now working regular jobs. Crazy to think about.
@thegildedagemadonnabe
@thegildedagemadonnabe 5 жыл бұрын
Never understood what was so great about the Beatles, I always thought Pink Floyd was way better than them
@hurricaneheli79
@hurricaneheli79 6 жыл бұрын
If #1 didn't happen & he was never in the wreck, never in the hospital, than he could've made something inferior to what he made happen. So sometimes you make the best happen at your worst. This proves that. Randy was Ozzys best guitarist hands down. So I agree with that one. Also agree with the Slash & Judas Priest one. The others, I've heard arguments over, so could've gone either way.
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