10 Most Controversial Star Trek Episodes

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@DavidPaulStone
@DavidPaulStone 8 ай бұрын
I think Tom Wright’s portrayal of Tuvix made this so controversial. He captured the essence of Tuvok and Neelix and made you care about the blended Tuvix. A weaker portrayal would have had us just thinking that they corrected an accident instead of erasing a life.
@grahamvaneck8906
@grahamvaneck8906 8 ай бұрын
That's a very good point, I think you're on to something here
@STSWB5SG1FAN
@STSWB5SG1FAN 8 ай бұрын
Like I said, the writers wanted more of a gut punch.
@AmaranthOriginal
@AmaranthOriginal 8 ай бұрын
I didn't care about Tuvix at all
@keiyakins
@keiyakins 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, Tuvix is controversial because of how strong an episode it is, not because it's weak.
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse 8 ай бұрын
@@AmaranthOriginal you're just stupid then i guess
@roberthutson9463
@roberthutson9463 8 ай бұрын
You forgot about ENT S.3 ep.10 Similitude. Where they grow a clone of Trip (name him sim) to be a donor for a transplant to save Trip. SIM and Phlox’s last interaction had me more emotional than the Tuvix episode. SIM “you were a damn fine father” Phlox (tears welling up) “ you were a damn fine son”
@spiderboy43
@spiderboy43 8 ай бұрын
But was Similitude controversial like these episodes on this list were?
@RAdaltonracer
@RAdaltonracer 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think Similitude sparked quite the same controversy as in these episodes, since it was definitely a war time episode, so what Archer did is a bit more understandable than what Janeway did.
@DawnDavidson
@DawnDavidson 8 ай бұрын
@@spiderboy43I think only because growing whole human beings to harvest organs Isn’t a thing in the real world. If you stop to thing about it, it’s actually pretty horrifying for Sim. But we don’t (yet) have an equivalent practice. You can see it as a metaphor for animal research, and for this it works well. Is if ethical to grow entire beings (even if not sentient) to do research on them to which they can’t consent, and which affects their life quality and/or quantity? In this story, at least Sim could consent.
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
Also they stold a part for t they needed from a friendly race to save the planet. Seems after the e d end the arc tehy should have made an episode to give back the tem they stole
@bigfootwalker5399
@bigfootwalker5399 8 ай бұрын
Justice for Tuvix
@Andrew-pr9xv
@Andrew-pr9xv 8 ай бұрын
4:07 It's a small thing, but the editing and the timing of Worf showing up next to Yar talking about "fridging" was really well done.
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, sometimes I just luck into these things 😂
@RAdaltonracer
@RAdaltonracer 8 ай бұрын
Fully agree here! When I think of “fridging” on Star Trek, I think of Yar and Worf.
@oryx3
@oryx3 8 ай бұрын
Except that Denise Crosby decided to leave the show voluntarily. She wasn't bumped off to "further Worf's career."
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse 8 ай бұрын
@@oryx3 you are correct
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 8 ай бұрын
​@oryx3 The context is still the same, regardless of the fact that Denise Crosby left of her own volition and Worf would be promoted to chief of security
@timthompson3569
@timthompson3569 8 ай бұрын
This fails to mention that the issue of killing a clone comes up again in DS9 (the one alien that fakes his death). Odo explicitly states that killing your own clone is still murder.
@samurphy
@samurphy 8 ай бұрын
But, again like the abortion argument, there's a line. Very few people, no matter how pro choice they are, would advocate for killing an infant. Ibudan's clone was a living, conscious entity when it was killed in an attempt to frame Odo, while the partially-formed Riker and Puhlaski clones were not.
@wilburwhateley4626
@wilburwhateley4626 8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say remove Code of Honor despite how little there is to redeem in it. It is a reminder that even when you are trying to create art that you intend to be inspirational it is possible for bad actors (the director in this case) or even mistakes by well intentioned people to create a product that is counterproductive to it's intended goal. You keep it as a reminder that you must be weary of people that would pervert your message and also that you must be careful in crafting a message yourself so that you don't cause more harm than good. Don't hide it because it was a mistake, learn from it so that mistake is not repeated.
@CannonRanger2023
@CannonRanger2023 8 ай бұрын
I would rather watch Spock's Brain for eternity than watch Code Of Honor one more time.
@christopherkraft1327
@christopherkraft1327 8 ай бұрын
Wow!!! 🖖
@nickatmacomb8965
@nickatmacomb8965 8 ай бұрын
Same! Same Same!
@angbald
@angbald 8 ай бұрын
Brain brain what is brain?!?!
@redixdoragon
@redixdoragon 8 ай бұрын
Pain and delight
@MrRoundb
@MrRoundb 8 ай бұрын
Really?
@theotakux5959
@theotakux5959 8 ай бұрын
I think it's a bit unfair to assume everyone upset with April's casting are racist. While, unfortuntely, I'm sure plenty are, I'm also sure a lot are just upset with the contradiction with the animated series. For the record, I have no real opinion on it either way.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
That's too controversial - everything that might possibly be racist definitely is racist and that's final. The idea that after decades of struggle for equality there are people that only saw skin colour as a problem of continuity is far too optimistic for this world.
@theotakux5959
@theotakux5959 8 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday I do have to admit it's out of character for me to care so little about this. Normally changing that kind of thing in a single continuity really bugs me, like replacing Billy Dee Williams with Tommy Lee Jones in the Batman movies (granted, some newer things are treating the Burton and Schumacher movies as separate continuities).
@jimcaratenuto2958
@jimcaratenuto2958 8 ай бұрын
I dare say 99.99% of people who are made about the April casting are not "racist" They are simply mad at how they ignored "canon." Yeah I know his only other appearance was in the animated series which is debatable at best about canon. But I guarantee you that if the same actor was cast as a different named high ranking admiral, played the same way, no one even bats an eye. It has nothing to do about race. And the overwhelming majority of those who were upset about changing canon, would still agree that Adrian Holmes has been fantastic in the role.
@MishraArtificer
@MishraArtificer 8 ай бұрын
Hey, if they really want to screw with people's heads, they can give him vitiligo, so the melanin has left his skin by that point in his life...
@CaptainsChannel58
@CaptainsChannel58 7 ай бұрын
​@@jimcaratenuto2958exactly!!
@omf4ever
@omf4ever 8 ай бұрын
I've said this before in Trekculture comments, my final opinion on Tuvix is, he died to save two cremembers, the other chief of security, its the "Needs of the Many" argument
@mattrobson3603
@mattrobson3603 8 ай бұрын
It's an understandable decision. It's basically the trolley problem, where Janeway elects to kill one person to save two. Given Voyager's circumstances I don't think it was even the wrong call - but she still made the decision to more or less execute someone.
@icecold9511
@icecold9511 8 ай бұрын
The problem with needs of they many is it isn't a good idea. A many is still a group of ones. If the one does not have value, how can a group of them have value? More importantly, where are the dividing lines at, if you can ignore moral principles for a larger number of people. Spock chose to die for his ship and crew. In other cases, real and fiction, a choice was forced upon the person and not their choice to put people to harm. "Close that hatch or the ship dies" is a decision of a lesser evil, but not a situation created by the decision maker.
@philiphunn194
@philiphunn194 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, but one of those people was Neelix...
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
@@icecold9511 - If there's only one person to save and no other lives to lose? you blow up a thousand stars. But if there are two people - that one person is done for, no matter how much of a coward they are - it's not their choice - it's no choice at all.
@icecold9511
@icecold9511 8 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday And with that mindset, people could decide to grab someone off the street and go vadian on them, harvesting organs aplenty.
@bobosmith8012
@bobosmith8012 8 ай бұрын
The Retconning of Picard's mother for dramatic effect never sat well with me, and I would much rather have had that character portrayed not as Picard's mother, but could have been written as an older sibling. This could also have been a factor in Picard's relationship with his brother.
@wilburwhateley4626
@wilburwhateley4626 8 ай бұрын
I didn't mind the Picard's mother plot line so much although I think it was (like Picard season 2 in general) too far drawn out and paced much too slowly. The entire season should have been 6 episodes long at maximum given the substance they covered and the mother flashbacks were so numerous and kept re-using the same footage over and over every time that by the end of the season I was absolutely sick of them.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 8 ай бұрын
Or at least, not having Picard's mother unaliving herself, but rather have her death be the result of an illness or a tragic accident
@SciFi2285
@SciFi2285 8 ай бұрын
Tattoo's depiction of Native Americans is arguably just as racist as Code of Honor.
@redixdoragon
@redixdoragon 8 ай бұрын
As are most things early Chkotay run, unfortunately. This stems from them hiring a hack posing as an expert on native american studies, and the showrunners and execs not going to the source with developments and asking, "Is this ok?"
@TheFiddleFaddle
@TheFiddleFaddle 8 ай бұрын
​@@redixdoragon To be fair, Iron Eyes Cody fooled the whole damn country for decades. He met US Presidents. They _thought_ they were doing the right thing.
@danshive4017
@danshive4017 8 ай бұрын
@@redixdoragon I knew that was the case when I started watching Voyager only a couple years ago, and I was still inadequately prepared for the cringe that awaited.
@AmaranthOriginal
@AmaranthOriginal 8 ай бұрын
This gets into issues with the entire character, though, and as such isn't really limited to just one episode
@DoremiFasolatido1979
@DoremiFasolatido1979 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, and? Everybody is racist. So long as they don't let it permanently cloud all their decisions, it's not relevant.
@bonusbaby801
@bonusbaby801 8 ай бұрын
As far as Tuvix...What about Tuvok & Neelix's right to live?
@nobodyimportant2470
@nobodyimportant2470 8 ай бұрын
That is where the factor of intent comes in for the ethical debate. Fusing them to create Tuvix was an accident. Splitting Tuvix to bring them back was an intentional premeditated action. If they had been injured by a random exploding conduit would their right to live justify killing someone else to get replacement organs needed to save them?
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
@@nobodyimportant2470 - Their technology means the explosion was still happening and all three were inside. Tuvok and Neelix were not dead - just unable to make the case for their own lives.
@cellscribe
@cellscribe 8 ай бұрын
The core of the problem with Tuvix is people liked him. Had the result of the orchid merging the two resulted in; a creature all tooth and claw, A trek version of Audrey ii (little shop of horrors) or an amorphous blob, there would be no controversy. That's why people like squirrels, hate rats, love baby seals and hate baby bats. Janeway was always in the right and if we disagree it means we must look inward, not outward.
@jeffscott3186
@jeffscott3186 7 ай бұрын
Baby bats are fantastic Don't know how anyone could hate them.
@operationgoldfish8331
@operationgoldfish8331 7 ай бұрын
The Tuvix episode is one of several that overlook the potential of Trek's transporter technology. Just stick Tuvix in the pattern buffer while you recreate Neelix and Tuvok, then free him from the buffer. Abracadabra! One new crew member and no moral dilemma. They didn't kill Riker's transporter twin, did they? And Scotty spent decades hidden in a pattern buffer. Transporter technology has been demonstrated to be capable of creating eternal youth, yet no one has ever picked up on this. It may also have other medical implications, e.g. lose a limb, why not keep an emergency pattern in the buffer and combine with it to make yourself whole again? You could do the same thing with pathogens or cancer. Star Trek scientists must be the dumbest smart people in fiction. And don't get me onto what you could do by combining transporter, replicator and holodeck technology!
@GeekFilterNet
@GeekFilterNet 8 ай бұрын
Angel One’s message of apartheid I don’t think was somewhat lost I think it was completely lost! I literally have never heard anyone say it was a metaphor for apartheid! We certainly didn’t at the time when it first aired. I’m thinking they may have said that because it would be more acceptable than the “radical feminism” angle in 1988 or it was just completely lost in the many rewrites I’m sure Gene did
@anonymousscience4095
@anonymousscience4095 8 ай бұрын
I watched this episode in Apartheid South Africa. It wasn't banned there. I never got it was an allegory for apartheid, and neither did the Afrikaner government.
@maxixe3143
@maxixe3143 8 ай бұрын
I'm fairly certain that their intent to portray apartheid was legitimate. It was just horribly mishandled. Also, I think your confusing radical feminism for a femdom fetish. From what I've seen at least, radical feminists seem to either desire equality with men or seperation from men (seperatism and segregation are different), not female supremacy.
@GeekFilterNet
@GeekFilterNet 8 ай бұрын
@@maxixe3143 I was 17 when the episode came out so I am pretty sure my friends and I weren't aware of the subtleties of feminist discourse. And at the time (1988) and also I'd wager a lot of people were in the dark on such things--so people called anything that was different from the 'norm' of women's behavior radical.
@maxixe3143
@maxixe3143 8 ай бұрын
@@GeekFilterNet Oh, I get you now. I think I misunderstood what you meant in your first comment. Thanks for clarifying.
@annettemalaski1967
@annettemalaski1967 8 ай бұрын
I always figured that the message of "Angel One" was that women could not run things any better then men. That they would make and do the same screw-ups! If apartheid was the message, then they really missed the mark!
@CoreyKearney
@CoreyKearney 8 ай бұрын
I don't think that was fair at all. There are two kinds of controversy in in Star Trek. On the one hand you have things like code of honour ether whole or in part. The mistakes. Then there's episodes like Twovix. That episode hit the mark, it was intended to be controversial, to spark debate. It was not a happy ending, it left you feeling like uncomfortable and not really resolved. I got the impression that was the intent, and I think they nailed it.
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse 8 ай бұрын
i actually agree with you. ones like code of honor are just bad episodes, stuff like the sexual assault in the original series also shouldnt be depicted. tuvix is a controversial episode but its not bad
@boat1280
@boat1280 8 ай бұрын
Tuvix is just a stupid episode though. Janeway murdered a dude and there’s no argument around it The writers’ intention is obvious but the episode wasn’t well written. There as no external pressure to the situation, no ticking time bomb that made the crew NEED Neelix and Tuvok. They were just sad their friends died and killed a guy to get them back. It happens in a vacuum and the episode completely sucks as a result
@samurphy
@samurphy 8 ай бұрын
@@boat1280 There's clearly argument about it. The EMH refused to perform the procedure that would destroy Tuvix. There was argument in the episode about the options. Janeway was captain, outside the reach of being able to go to a senior officer or committee for guidance, and short of mutiny, had the first, last and only say in what happened. Now, in Lower Decks, the argument was revisited again with T'illups, wherein Freeman was faced with the same dilemma and DID have the benefit of resources to fall back on.
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse 8 ай бұрын
@@samurphy yeah I agree with you, I really don’t think it’s a bad episode either
@jaredholloway6333
@jaredholloway6333 7 ай бұрын
That’s a good point. I think it meant to do what The Measure of a Man did for Data, put upped the stakes and conclusion.
@thebaccathatchews
@thebaccathatchews 8 ай бұрын
I took a different view of "Up the Long Ladder" because of Deep Space Nine. A clone is not you. It is its own person. A delayed twin. But the Federation doesn't hold that view, because Riker and Pulaski weren't reprimanded for killing theirs. Meanwhile, on DS9, a man murdered his clone to fake his death and frame Odo. Odo says that under Bajoran law, killing a clone is a crime, implying they see clones as independent entities. This argument could be used to explain Archer's treatment of Sim, and could be stretched to explain the treatment of Tuvix.
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 8 ай бұрын
[identical bodies]+[different souls]=different persons. Closes we'll come to is twins.
@redixdoragon
@redixdoragon 8 ай бұрын
Take into account the clones killed by Riker and Pulaski were not fully developed. Neither conscious or sentient. They were still in a late embryonic stage. This helps to set it up with the allegory to abortion. This does maintain a continuity as it seems that the clone murdered on DS9 was fully developed and aware. Basically analogues to infanticide. Of course this makes it WORSE for Archer who did order the killing of Sim. Honestly I'd like to see a Trek episode where the captain doesn't fall into the trap of "If I don't do this THE MISSION/WAR is lost!" and might say, "If I do this, the mission's a success/we win the war, but we lose ourselves." and go with the other consequence. The captain has to make hard choices sure, but it seems every time a federation captain is set with this choice the decision they make is darkly predictable.
@kristiannoel4866
@kristiannoel4866 7 ай бұрын
They took a different stance with Thomas Riker. They treated him as If he were twin brother of Will Riker.
@sureshmukhi2316
@sureshmukhi2316 8 ай бұрын
For your next list: TOS: A Private Little War - Kirk arms a bunch of villagers with flintlocks for balance of power. DS9: For the Uniform / In The Pale Moonlight- we know what happens there ENT - Dear Doctor - Phlox withholds a cure to a life threatening disease because of "evolution".
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
TOS was directly mirored to the US and USSR. The episode from TOS was commentary on veitnam. Phlox and Archer more like what if the vulcans 10k years ago had gave the neanderthalls a genetic leg up.
@sureshmukhi2316
@sureshmukhi2316 8 ай бұрын
@@0011peace please edit your reply. I can't understand it
@wilmersandstrom2826
@wilmersandstrom2826 8 ай бұрын
​@@0011peace Your comparison of Vulcans aiding another human species doesn't hold water. Even assuming it did, it seems like an attempt to move attention away form the moral question presented in the episode. 'Help someone who is asking for help when it costs you nothing, or let them die because you don't know what will happen to the person next to them if you do' Neanderthals became extinct due to competition and interbreeding with Homo sapiens, not because some contrived plot mechanism decreed they should. So the situations are fundamentally non-analogous. Your analogy implies it would have been wrong for Vulcans to favor Neanderthals-isn’t Archer and Phlox’s siding with the Menk, like they do in the episode equally wrong? The Enterprise opts to favor the Menk based on a hypothesis that has literally no foundation and the episode doesn't present any actual evidence that it is correct, Phlox just says this is how it is "BecAUsE eVoLUtIooOon" and everyone just goes with it. After this archer chooses to outright sabotage and mislead the Valakians’ plea for help and indirectly mislead them about the possibility of a cure. This includes returning the sleeper ship to the planet and withholding potentially helpful technology like communication (these actions are hindering their search of aid), they also lie about the difficulty of making a cure which leaves the impression that even if they can find advanced technology (or help) then it might not do anything to save them. So they're actively interfering with them and the protagonists literally do all of this driven by a questionable hypothesis that would fit perfectly in a 20th-century eugenics discussion, hindering one group over another, by exacerbating their plight through deceit and interference. You are at best a useful idiot who blindly accepts anything the writers say without thinking about it, even in cases like this where the writers unironically promote ideas of racial superiority and genocide, or you're a moral coward who can't accept that the show you like made a really poorly written episode which at best could be described in one word, 'Evil'.
@thebullet7874
@thebullet7874 8 ай бұрын
When Kirk was split into two beings-he had a reason to be made “whole” the two parts couldn’t survive alone. With Tuvix, there isn’t any outside necessity to split him back. Thus, this became a truly moral story with no absolute right or wrong.
@Sephiroth144
@Sephiroth144 8 ай бұрын
Transport Tuvix, save pattern buffer, transport again, split being to component personages, restore pattern buffer and rematerialize Tuvix- all three entities exist, done and done.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
@STSWB5SG1FAN 8 ай бұрын
@@Sephiroth144 That would have been a very Star Trek ending to this episode. But that's not what the writers were going for, they wanted more of a gut punch.
@Sephiroth144
@Sephiroth144 8 ай бұрын
@@STSWB5SG1FAN Oh, obviously; but for the "there's no (good) solution" stuff- its right there. (Also, its really a shame that none of the alternate versions/timeline episodes in Voyager didn't bring back Tuvix at least one time- I mean, Tuvix on "Warship Voyager" would've been a nice Easter Egg...)
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
It's just triage. In the Tuvix situation, Neelix and Tuvok wern't dead, as they could be bought back. So they saved two lives instead of one. Tuvix is the immoral one - he's the one that wanted to kill two other people just so he could live.
@VolkerHett
@VolkerHett 8 ай бұрын
Just what I was about to answer. Neelix and Tuvok had a right to live, too. @@JohnnyWednesday
@Fayanora
@Fayanora 8 ай бұрын
To be fair to the Nazi episode of TOS, it was made quite clear that the statement about Nazi Germany being "the most efficient" was being said by a character who was clearly insane.
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
Also we know a lot more about how things were ran now than I imagine they knew when it was written.
@AzraelThanatos
@AzraelThanatos 8 ай бұрын
There's also the thing of being the most efficient doesn't mean the best there...being very good at one thing doesn't mean that it isn't a horrible thing. Remember that you also have the Borg where efficiency is a big thing and that is NOT a good thing there...similar to the paperclip maximizer thing
@metroplex8086
@metroplex8086 7 ай бұрын
Europeans here. As you might can imagine, it still is a rather sensitive issue here.
@marcoberry3038
@marcoberry3038 7 ай бұрын
I felt Picard’s portrayal of parental mental health illness and the impact it can have on a family was incredibly powerful. Having gone through something similar I was incredibly appreciative of the series undertaking an issue that is underrepresented in media today, I personally felt it was handled with grace and understanding. It portrayed the sorrow and guilt one can feel alongside the incredibly difficult choices a family can make to protect or attempt to protect a loved one suffering from serious mental illness. Although I respectfully disagree with Trek Cultures opinion on this episode I appreciate the channel bringing the issue to light as it will add to the discourse on mental health.
@Sovereign-kh4ng
@Sovereign-kh4ng 6 ай бұрын
Its just a shame the writing for Season 2 was terrible, because it was a good idea to include that. More talented writers could have made it compelling.
@adamgoss3638
@adamgoss3638 8 ай бұрын
I have to admit I had not a clue about the rasict tropes or depictions in Code of Honor until I read about it as an adult - I was 14 when the episode debuted, and had lived a very sheltered life. My parents weren't bigoted and I had very progressive teachers at school. The result of this however is I had zero inkling there was anything racist about the episode, I just thought this was how the alien society in the episode was written with maybe some faint hints taken from certain African cultures, and that was all. It never occurred to me to think there was anything wrong in the episode and it certainly never made me think that all people in real-life African countries behaved like this. In fact, to this day, I still don't know EXACTLY what the racist tropes at work in the episode are, I can only take other people's word for it that it's present. I'm not defending the episode (it was never that special to me, just an average episode for early in a first season at best), but I'd be lying if I said I fully understood exactly where the problems are and why they are problems, and I'd really like to know to be better informed.
@mattrobson3603
@mattrobson3603 8 ай бұрын
'In fact, to this day, I still don't know EXACTLY what the racist tropes at work in the episode are, I can only take other people's word for it that it's present.' It's pretty much the whole thing, the episode's plot is basically 'Ooga Booga where the white women at?' The original director read the script where some members of the Ligonian delegation were described as 'blackguards' (as in, synonymous with villain or highwayman) and just kind of ran with it. It turned a story about one of the Enterprise crew being kidnapped, and the whole ship having to play along since the aliens had something they needed, into a story freighted with overtones of 'black people are savages and black men are sexually obsessed with white women'. Of course, it's a season 1 episode, so it would still be pretty bad even if it didn't have the racial shading.
@WarpigGaming.
@WarpigGaming. 8 ай бұрын
Go watch sg1 season 1 ep4 same people did that 1 and its literally the same
@emaarredondo-librarian
@emaarredondo-librarian 8 ай бұрын
Greetings. There are many things in USA culture that are racist, but are so ingrained that seem normal or pass unnoticed. Unless you are at the receiving end of that kind of racism. There are people in the USA (and around the world, to be fair) who sincerely believe that all Africans live in huts in the jungle, and behave like cartoon characters. Remember the cartoon trope of Africans boiling white people in a big cauldron? Given that slavery had to have some justification for good Christians and freedom-loving Americans, the idea that Black people were (are) intrinsically inferior or less human than whites persists until today. Watch again Gone With the Wind and pay attention to how *slavery* is portrayed: the ""good"" Blacks are the ones who stay in their place, serving whites. Or pay attention to comments under videos about crimes in which there is a racial component: you'll find people openly saying that it is scientifically proven that Blacks are more violent/less rational than whites. A certain POTUS consistently calling a Black representative "low IQ" goes the same road. With all that context (and there's much, much more), any depiction of a group of Black people behaving silly, showing barely any advancement in the 24th century (don't ever forget, Star Trek is essentially about the human condition, USA version), filling squarely inside each and every cartoonish trope about Black people ever conceived - yep. An extremely controversial story, even more in a sci-fi franchise that's supposedly anti-racism. For more reference, watch the series of videos Black American History from the Crash Course channel, and pay attention to the algorithm-suggested videos accompanying them. There's so, so much about USA's history that's not mentioned at school - you can't even imagine. Some great things too, Black people's accomplishments - also silenced. For laughs, take a look at the videos by Charity Ekezie debunking myths about African cultures. Good luck. ✌
@carljackson6308
@carljackson6308 8 ай бұрын
Here’s one racist troupe from the episode: the fear of black men stealing white women, and Tasha Yar suddenly becomes the focus of an entire black society, talk about ridiculous!
@ferninthehouse
@ferninthehouse 8 ай бұрын
not sure why your comment has so many likes. youre missing something rather obvious. the other commenters who replied to this one explained it well. its the entire episode really. it depicts a savage culture that is intentionally cast as being all black. given the context we have of social issues, current and past, its really not hard to see how thats problematic.
@Sarfraz42
@Sarfraz42 8 ай бұрын
Interesting info on Angel One: it was one of the last times we see Patricia Mcpherson in an acting role. She was Bonnie from Knight Rider
@Deevo037
@Deevo037 8 ай бұрын
The one thing that always bugged me about the Tuvix episode was the historical creation of Tom(?) Riker. why such a technique couldn't be utilized to allow Tuvix, Tuvok and Neelix to o on.
@christalunn1143
@christalunn1143 8 ай бұрын
That's always been my issue too. They have so many random things that the transporters can miraculously do. From cloning, to time travel, to de-aging people. And yet beyond what is done in any given episode to deal with the plot challenge, such things are not mentioned or utilized.
@user-xt2zf4in4b
@user-xt2zf4in4b 7 ай бұрын
There's also an ST:NG episode where Pulaski is restored using the transporter and her hair. Why couldn't they recreate a Tuvok and a Neelix? Heck, why couldn't they recreate any crew person that has been through the transporter and died?
@keit99
@keit99 3 ай бұрын
​@@user-xt2zf4in4bbecause the writer wanted there to be a 'moral' dilemma
@Matt_R-A
@Matt_R-A 8 ай бұрын
I could not disagree with you more regarding Yvette Picard. Very few things can make me react the way that episode did. It’s the only Episode I couldn’t rewatch. I cried every time I thought about it for the rest of the day. Fiction usually doesn’t hit me that hard, but that one did. It’s something I certainly wouldn’t be glib about considering the subject matter.
@danshive4017
@danshive4017 8 ай бұрын
"Each of you is going to have to live with this!" "Joke's on you. We're mostly episodic." "Yeah, well, people will still remember this! And someday, be it years, or decades, or centuries from now, something less episodic will remember it, and call it out! Maybe even make it the whole B-plot to an episode!"
@sarahkinsey5434
@sarahkinsey5434 8 ай бұрын
Or a one off joke/reference in Lower Decks
@oddish4352
@oddish4352 8 ай бұрын
One thing I'll say for "Angel One", it acknowledged that gender equality comes gradually, over time, with the work of many people, and with resistance from above. As opposed to the ludicrous arc on Ferenginar, where "Ishka waves her magic wand and women go from livestock to full equality".
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
Then you missed the entire point of the episode. The Ferengi aren't human and it wasn't a metaphor for human gender equality. It's really easy to determine this because the episode aired in the 1990s and not in 500BC. If you thought that the ridiculously exaggerated treatment of Ferengi women was in any way representative of gender empowerment in the 90s and was thus a metaphor for it? then you shouldn't be watching shows you don't understand and can only appropriate at face value. That episode was about rule based law and the stagnation of a society - it was a parallel for Japan entering the modern world.
@oddish4352
@oddish4352 6 ай бұрын
Maybe there was an obscure hidden message... maybe not. Point is, a society's underclass went from chattel to apparent equality, not from years of effort by a legion of said underclass, but by one woman seducing the right man.
@Blasted2Oblivion
@Blasted2Oblivion 8 ай бұрын
I feel like the Tuvix episode would have been so much better had they had to actually live with the decision instead of just the standard "past events? What are those?" attitude that hurt so many of the choices in the show.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
You just described nearly all of Star Trek
@AzraelThanatos
@AzraelThanatos 8 ай бұрын
I would have loved to have seen things continue from it. Hell, that could actually be a reason for Tuvok and Neelix to end up friendlier due to sharing the memories of that...and a lot of reasons to distrust the rest of the crew save for, perhaps, the Doctor there. Kes and Neelix's relationship should have ended there because would you really want to pursue someone who is one of the people you have direct memories of calling for your death...that's nightmare fuel to start with there. It would also have been a major thing for even Tuvok handling because of how he was portrayed as one of Janeways friends and even with logic, that's something that would, likely, have created distance there. The end of that episode is pure nightmare fuel...
@QBCPerdition
@QBCPerdition 8 ай бұрын
​@AzraelThanatos except Neeliz didn't hear Kes calling for his death, he heard her calling for his return. Same with Tuvok and Janeway, he now knows how far she will go for him, that would deepen a relationship. What I wish they would have done is, in a later episode, have Tuvok and/or Neelix talk about how they felt about it. We're they grateful to Janeway for saving them, did they regret the decision. Maybe even have them disagree with each other, Neelix being happy and Tuvok thinking it was the wrong choice, or vice versa. It definitely should have been referenced later.
@prince_nocturne
@prince_nocturne 7 сағат бұрын
Tuvix really was a great 'Trolly problem' episode. His very existence means the effective death of two other people, but also a constant reminder of them. But to bring them back, he, an independent person all of his own, would have to be effectively killed. There is no right answer. And the episode does a fantastic job of portraying that fact.
@Nomad77ca
@Nomad77ca 8 ай бұрын
I see that Sean is an aspiring movie star now with the Power543 folks. Well done mate!! Also, I thought all Star Trek episodes were kinda supposed to be controversial, calling out societal ills and all that stuff. It's in Star Treks nature and purpose.
@timthompson3569
@timthompson3569 8 ай бұрын
How on earth did Phlox and Archer's genocide in 'Dear Doctor' not make this list?
@wilmersandstrom2826
@wilmersandstrom2826 8 ай бұрын
Either it wasn't well known enough for them to even think of it or, which I truly hope not, the video makers didn't find anything wrong with it.
@annettemalaski1967
@annettemalaski1967 8 ай бұрын
The genocide was not of Archer's making! It was nautual evolution.
@TheValoriusValcorin
@TheValoriusValcorin 8 ай бұрын
In The Pale Moonlight from DS9's 6th season comes to mind. Sisko was an accomplice to murder of a Romulan Senator. He got the Romulans to join the Dominion War by lying to them, which indirectly caused the deaths of even more innocent Romulans. I forgot Garak also killed the alien that created the forged data rod.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
Nothing controversial about the true nature of war. The controversial part was the lie saying it was about honor.
@TheValoriusValcorin
@TheValoriusValcorin 8 ай бұрын
@JohnnyWednesday agree to disagree, but Sisko betrayed everything Starfleet and the Federation believes in. He did it to save the Federation, but it's still objectively terrible. Which is why he says at the end, "I can live with it." He knows he did a bad thing, but the alternative was the end of the Federation.
@redixdoragon
@redixdoragon 8 ай бұрын
I feel like the most controversial thing about Pale Moonlight is the fan response. Especially from american views. The admission of "He had to do it" "It was necessary" seems to be a salve to our wars and conflicts and bombings around the globe. A blanket statement of "For the sake of victory, anything is permissible."
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
​@@TheValoriusValcorin - it's my favorite episode by far :) everything you said - but also having to watch this person we respected so much have to make that decision. None of us wanted that for the Federation - for Starfleet - but for Sisko? ten fold.
@triandfit1
@triandfit1 8 ай бұрын
@@redixdoragon Don’t forget that he had the full permission from Starfleet to do it.
@DannyPhantomBeast
@DannyPhantomBeast 8 ай бұрын
I’m Black and don’t personally PREFER racelifts unless it’s an inspired choice that adds compelling dimension such as A-Train from The Boys, for instance. Or Namor. But sometimes it seems to be courting unnecessary controversy for engagement. I wouldn’t have done that, personally.
@DannyPhantomBeast
@DannyPhantomBeast 8 ай бұрын
Or… if I were to racelift April, it would have been a lighter skinned Black guy such as Jeffrey Wright or Harry Lennix.
@DannyPhantomBeast
@DannyPhantomBeast 8 ай бұрын
(Or racelift to another race altogether.)
@paultapner2769
@paultapner2769 8 ай бұрын
I don't mind racelifts if they still get the character traits. I liked Jeffrey Wright's Jim Gordon in the Batman, and Jurnee Smollett-Bells' Black Canary in Birds of Prey. Then there was the actress who played Julia Pennyworth in Batwoman. White actress playing a black character from comics, but she was brilliant in the part.
@henrikharbin5521
@henrikharbin5521 8 ай бұрын
Re: the April issue, I've already thought that some of the new shows are set in 'the universe next door", not the same one as TOS. that's fine with me because a lot of science fiction already does that. So Holmes playing April is not a biggie for me. He does play the role well.
@AshuraH
@AshuraH 8 ай бұрын
Well, if you go with the the idea set upon by the episode "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" that the attempts to kill Khan Nonnian-Singh has caused the timeline and technology to shuffle itself around just to fit things around, it could also go about that certain characters have been changed by it as well.
@kairi4640
@kairi4640 8 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought the same thing, that it's just a reimagining of it like with Strange New Worlds. So many companies do that situation now with multiple universes I don't even bat a eye at it anymore. 😂
@CanuckGod
@CanuckGod 2 ай бұрын
I can somewhat sympathize with people who do have a bit of an issue with the color of Robert April having been changed from the TAS episode to his depiction in Strange New Worlds, but it's not a deal breaker for me. As he wasn't a heavily established character on-screen at any point prior to now [basically a one-off in a series that while technically canon, isn't quite on the same level as other depictions], I'd be fine if he were depicted by whichever ethnicity that the producers decided to cast, and Adrian Holmes has been excellent in the role. Also, AshuraH makes a great point as well about how the timeline reasserting itself might muddy things around, so outside of them outright changing the species of major characters, I'm not really that bothered.
@voteDC
@voteDC 8 ай бұрын
I'm a necromancer. I can bring two people back to life, fully as they were, the only price to do so is the child that is part of both of them. I can sacrifice that child in order to bring two people back. You'd call me a monster I'm guessing. Tuvik was essentially that child, the child of Neelix and Tuvok, no matter how he was brought into the world. Janeway killed him to bring back two others who were gone.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
I have to congratulate the editor Martin Wilkinson in the handling of this. There isn't really a good place to insert a Horgon in scenes dealing with racism, naziism, sexism, rapism, clonism, duplicanism etc. And I appreciate you wouldn't want to insert a request to 'Like & Subscribe ' or want the audience to LOL at such moments, So Very Well Done with the finale - the intro for Number 1 in this list: Code of Honour. Picard clapping and the roll of the red carpet showing the episode title, to Sean's narration "Here It Is" was brilliant. I howled out loud. That was handled perfectly.
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
Thank you good sir. I had a lot of fun making it. Glad you enjoyed 👍 I think there should be the usual items in there. I certainly remember where the NX-01 is.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
@@ashedarke damn, I didn't see the NX, I had my eyes peeled from the moment I saw the fizzle. Don't tell me though... I'll go for a third look.
@ReaverLordTonus
@ReaverLordTonus 8 ай бұрын
I'm going to be honest, I've never watched the animated series so my first Admiral Robert April is the current one, so I could care less if he was depicted as white.
@stacyharvey3554
@stacyharvey3554 8 ай бұрын
You know what would be a funny thing to see? Jean Luc Picard and Tom Paris having an argument in French!! Yeah, the fact that Tom is fluent in French is not mentioned very much. I know it was talked about in the book Pathways which gives the back stories of the Voyager crew except for Janeway. She got a whole book to herself.
@BoundyMan
@BoundyMan 8 ай бұрын
I actually enjoyed Angel One because I thought it was addressing how some men treat women and put them in role reverse. The message it brought to me is I should treat women with love and respect because I wouldn't like it if a woman abused, raped or mistreated me because I am a man.
@noirangel6416
@noirangel6416 8 ай бұрын
Atempt #8 Please do "Top 10 Greatest Friendships in Star Trek". 🖖💙
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
It's in the works. These things take time to write and then turn into a video.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
Great idea, Spock & Kirk, Geordie & Data, Dax & Sisko, Miles & Julian, Trip & Malcolm, Tom & Harry, Erm Erm Picard & his fish, Janeway & generally good command decisions,, erm Erm, Worf & Spot, Ortegas & the ship, Dulmer & Lucsley, Boiler & Marriner & Tendi & Rutherford, There's probably one on that Prodigy show.
@noirangel6416
@noirangel6416 8 ай бұрын
@@FirstDan2000 Personally i wouldve put Janeway & Coffee but that would fall more in the catagory of romance.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
@@noirangel6416 that's good too. Her affections go deeper though, but I'm unsure if it's for the replicator or it's for the ship. It's not Chakotay. She's just really really fond of him.
@marilynsobel7414
@marilynsobel7414 8 ай бұрын
@@noirangel6416 🏆🏆🏆
@CynicismForAll
@CynicismForAll 8 ай бұрын
I don't think it's "racist" if fans didn't like blackwashing of an already established character (which seems to be the norm these days). I hope these so-called "racist" fans didn't actually make any racist comments toward the actor: I think he did a fine job, but yeah, should have just made a new character instead of crapping on the fans.
@davemiller6055
@davemiller6055 8 ай бұрын
"Tuvix" was certainly intended to be controversial and provoke thought and discussion. And it succeeded. We are still talking about it 27 years later. I think they were trying to go into the darker places that DS9 lived in but they didn't do it quite as well as DS9 did those things. The episode could have been executed a little better, but overall it wasn't too bad. It took some courage to make that episode. Tuvix was a living being, but Tuvok and Neelix were also living beings. Tuvix had only just come into existence and had no history, friends, or family. The other two did. Tuvix was Tuvok and Neelix combined together. They were both in there. Tuvix himself said so. To leave them in there gone from the world and leaving their friends and family to grieve when you could save them is as wrong as killing Tuvix. This was Janeways Kobayashi Maru. Like "In The Pale Moonlight" was Siskos Kobayashi Maru.
@voteDC
@voteDC 8 ай бұрын
Tuvik was for all wants and purposes the child of Neelix and Tuvok. Could you kill an orphaned child if it mean bringing back that child's parents? Now those two people could go on to have other children, other loves, etc but that child would still be dead.
@JesseKnight2000
@JesseKnight2000 8 ай бұрын
1:30 , Bonnie from the Knight Rider
@ChrisRyot
@ChrisRyot 8 ай бұрын
What I love about the episode Tuvix is that even though Janeway definitely chose the unethical route and did "the wrong thing", she is very much aware of it and it shows in the closing shot. It could've given her character so much more depth had they only at least mentioned this event in a later episode.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
Don't be silly - Tuvix was the immoral one - he wanted to kill two people just so he could live. Janeway chose to save two lives instead of one.
@TheFiddleFaddle
@TheFiddleFaddle 8 ай бұрын
​@@JohnnyWednesday They're not being silly. He was selfish, sure. But he had no obligation to kill himself for two more. That's freedom of choice. There's no right answer, hence the debates.
@BlueCanary7
@BlueCanary7 8 ай бұрын
Even from first viewing I alway regarded "Tuvix" as two people suffering the side effects of an accident, which Janeway correctly ordered to be fixed, curing them both. I'll always hold that Janeway made the most ethical choice! But the way this episode still stirs up intense debate decades later is definitely pretty awesome. The writers must absolutely love that!
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
@@TheFiddleFaddle - He walked about in that uniform, he considered himself in Starfleet. That responsibility comes with the badge.
@sarahkinsey5434
@sarahkinsey5434 8 ай бұрын
The part about events never being mentioned again really irks me. Like when Troi had an alien baby that died in season 2 of TNG. She looked fine in the closing scene
@groom_of_the_stool
@groom_of_the_stool 8 ай бұрын
Tuvix was a homonculus who was holding Tuvok and Neelix hostage. Neither of them gave their consent to his creation and lacked autonomy and voice to contest Tuvix's control.
@craithteemeghan5311
@craithteemeghan5311 8 ай бұрын
The Episode where Icheb's parents use him a weapon, the episode where Tuvok has a Mind Meld with Lon Suder and becomes homicidal
@angbald
@angbald 8 ай бұрын
4:15 Great Editing. Buy the editor a beer.
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
It was excellent. No 1 made me HOL.
@johnpaulmolloy8127
@johnpaulmolloy8127 8 ай бұрын
I distinctly remember watching the "High ground" uncut on Irish channel RTE as a teenager when it first aired and been so excited that Ireland got a call out. Maybe I am misremembering ?
@BigNoseDog
@BigNoseDog 8 ай бұрын
You should’ve made the list 20 episodes, not 10. Cause then you could’ve included Threshold and the series finale to Enterprise.
@The_Str4nger
@The_Str4nger 8 ай бұрын
not s fun fact: The author of Code of Honor did the exactly same thing with the episode Emancipation in Stargate SG1. Like Code of Honor it was a early episode in the first season. this time they did it with mongols
@connorkilgour3374
@connorkilgour3374 8 ай бұрын
Written by the same person too. no seriously, look it up.
@paultapner2769
@paultapner2769 8 ай бұрын
I was just thinking of that episode. I remember how channel four would chop bits out pre watershed. So you got this build up to a fight scene for most of the episode. Then it was over in seconds with one bad jump cut
@dunhillmint77
@dunhillmint77 7 ай бұрын
In proximity to the "Tuvix" episode there was also "The Children of Time" from DS9 (S.5, E.22) as well as the Enterprise episode, "Similitude" (S. 3, E. 10).
@ansionnachbeagrioga5260
@ansionnachbeagrioga5260 8 ай бұрын
Regarding Robert April, I can't speak for particular comments I didn't see or am unaware of, but on face value it is not racism to bemoan a casting choice that completely alters the physical appearance of an established legacy character. It breaks the feeling of continuity and therefore also breaks the immersion to some degree. Few franchises suit diversity better than Star Trek but consistency still matters, and that includes consistency with a character's physical portrayal. It's disingenuous to pretend a character's physical portrayal doesn't matter, because if that were so then we wouldn't bother with things like hair and makeup or costume design. Imagine if Sisko made a return cast as a blonde man with a clean shave. Admittedly Sisko is a much more important character than April but I hope my point gets across nonetheless.
@mattrobson3603
@mattrobson3603 8 ай бұрын
I can see not being happy that they broke with existing canon, but it really depends on how stuff's phrased. April being such an obscure character, in terms of how much screen time he had (not to mention where that screen time was) it's definitely easier to read a complaint about the change in portrayal as being race related than it would be if someone like Tom Paris got a racelift. Of course, not having seen any of the complaints I can't really judge for myself.
@deeesher
@deeesher 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, chances are if you're watching Star Trek, you're not racist.
@christopherdaffron8115
@christopherdaffron8115 8 ай бұрын
I see your point, but the ethnicity of April was never a plot point in either of the Star Trek series. Maintaining a "consistency" or "continuity" in the physical appearance of a character(s) has not been much of a priority in Star Trek over the many different series. Captain Pike has not looked or acted the same at all from one portrayal of him to the next. Klingons have undergone multiple significant physical changes in their appearance, for example. Star Trek "canon" is a very fluid and ever-changing idea. Even Gene Rodenberry himself purposely broken Star Trek "canon" many times. Finally, you are wrong in trying to make your point by equivocating the ONE appearance of April as a minor character in the short running ANIMATED series from the 1970's with the character of Benjamin Sisko who was the MAIN, live action character of a long running series portrayed by actor Avery Brooks who is still alive an able to portray him again.
@marilynsobel7414
@marilynsobel7414 8 ай бұрын
The vast majority of Star Trek fans (much less people who just like a particular show and aren't Trekkies) have never even seen the animated series or any of its characters. I think the emphasis on making sure EVERYTHING is canon and any inconsistency is explained in such a way as to make it consistent with canon is a bit silly anyway (now we are stuck with Picard's mother's suicide forever when there wasn't the slightest hint of it in TNG). I think it matters to try to honor the history of Star Trek but not to the point of refusing to make even the smallest changes. And Star Trek has made some big ones, as others have noted. I think what people find racist is the tendency to nitpick over choices regarding characters represented by people of color in a way that never happens with characters represented by white males. I bet a lot of people had to go back and look up the character and find out the original version was white and then go online to complain about it and what was the point of doing that? To preserve canon perfectly in every tiny detail? Forgive me for doubting their motives.
@lightbearer313
@lightbearer313 8 ай бұрын
Have you considered the possibility that in the future people would be capable of changing their appearance, whether it be skin colour or other features, and even their gender, as easiiy as people now can change their clothing, and that if Trek was really advanced, both technologically and socially, that this would be a common practice?
@Sothlice
@Sothlice 7 ай бұрын
Hello there from Germany! First time I saw "Patterns Of Force" was 1995, because I bought this episode on video tape.
@laaendaersan
@laaendaersan 8 ай бұрын
I always thought that Ligonians were the Black Chinese from Outer Space... If Romulans are the Roman Empire from Outer Spce, then...
@sidkemp4672
@sidkemp4672 7 ай бұрын
Excellent list with good, clear commentary. Just two notes: Is Code of Honor really controversial? Does anyone actually _not_ think it is disgusting. On The High Ground: I disagree with the view in your conclusion. I saw it as an excellent exploration of not only The Troubles, but also many multi-generational conflicts that include resistance and terrorism. It showed the tragedy of the situation in a clear, challenging way. One of the best uses of TV for social commentary I've seen, personally, up there with The Hunted.
@MeNoOther
@MeNoOther 8 ай бұрын
Picard and his trauma with his mother also lead to him joining Starfleet, cause that is what his mother wanted. Which make the episode with Q important. If Picard didn't get stabbed in the heart, then he would be just a Lower Decker with NO ambition, drifting from job to job. Picard really wanted to be an archeologist. His mother ruined his choice. But at least he can fund archeological groups in retirement.
@brendanreeves6785
@brendanreeves6785 8 ай бұрын
Re Up the long ladder. You might want to check on who complained. At the time I read Irish Americans complained and the Irish Embassy was like oh yeah we recognize the play you lifted the characters from.
@wristdisabledwriter2893
@wristdisabledwriter2893 8 ай бұрын
The sad part is code of honor could have easily been avoided as racist by making them ferengi that looks like what we know as ferengi. Or something similar to that idea.
@DarthAzabrush
@DarthAzabrush 7 ай бұрын
Angel One reminds me a lot of the lost Doctor Who episode Mission to Magnus. Trying so hard to put itself in a reasnoble middle ground it actually ends up being pretty monstrous.
@BBB_26
@BBB_26 8 ай бұрын
What a spectacular summary! This was absolutely fascinating
@theonedollarbill4550
@theonedollarbill4550 8 ай бұрын
These for the most part seem more like people needing to find reasons to be angry or offended than any of this being truly controversial.
@SagPegasus
@SagPegasus 8 ай бұрын
Regarding Riker and Pulaski phasering there clones, I still remember the DS9 episode and Odo's comment "Murdering your clone is still murder!" which opens so many questions.
@lauranolastnamegiven3385
@lauranolastnamegiven3385 6 ай бұрын
Odo was enforcing Bajoran law, Bajor wasn't part of the Federation, perhaps it wasn't against Federation law? something similar came up in the luck/probability ep, when Sisko said there wasn't anything he (the Federation) could charge the new guy with, & Odo chimes in, that *he* can (meaning there was a violation of Bajoran law)
@aaronanglea
@aaronanglea 8 ай бұрын
Code of Honor, move a long home, and threshold were the best 3 episodes EVER
@paultapner2769
@paultapner2769 8 ай бұрын
Correct me if I';m wrong, but wasn't the original captain going to be called Robert Winter? Then he became Robert April. Then Christopher Pike. Trouble with the High ground is that it ends all smiles with the Enterprise going off into the sunset. It should have ended with a scene showing bad things still happening on the planet, and that nothing had been resolved. Would have been a downer, so that's probably why they didn't do it. But it would have been more to the point. I recall Brent Spiner in an interview in Tv zone 'it's not worth the fuss. It's not that good an episode anyway'. And that Gates McFadden was totally unaware of the ban till they told her about it. I recall the Daily Mail trying to make Haven a controversial episode. With one of those right side of the front page showbiz stories about 'British actress Marina Sirtis in steamy scene in her nightie.' Then I watched the episode. Should have learned long ago not to trust the Daily Mail..... But none of these ever bothered me. Not Even the High ground. Because none of them were real! There's real life issue far more important to get worked up about.
@theemmjay5130
@theemmjay5130 Ай бұрын
I heard about the premise of "Tuvix" long before I saw the episode, and went in expecting a comedic episode. I was therefore totally unprepared for what I actually saw.
@briangronberg6507
@briangronberg6507 8 ай бұрын
Voyager’s Death Wish and its discussion of euthanasia also comes to mind.
@bbartky
@bbartky 8 ай бұрын
Gene Roddenberry said he only considered the episode “Yesteryear”, about Spock saving his younger self, as the only episode he considered canon. So, from that viewpoint how April was drawn in TAS is completely irrelevant. Even if you do consider it canon there no need to match how characters looked like in TAS. However, Sean you were right about bringing it up since it made some fans mad.
@ShrekWallBee
@ShrekWallBee 8 ай бұрын
1:13 i had no problem with this because i seem to remember that in the BSG reboot Starbuck was a woman so its only fair that in this alt trek time line captain april is a african american
@bonusbaby801
@bonusbaby801 8 ай бұрын
As a Black man, I fail to see the controversy of Code Of Honor. If there was blatant racism towards the actors on set, that's 1 thing. But depiction of the tribe is in line with my studies of African Culture. In fact, many of the forest kingdoms in Western Africa are Matriarchal Societies. Just like in Code Of Honor, the lineage, wealth & all are handed down through the females. Most of the slaves brought over from Africa came from these Western Matriarchal Kingdoms. That's why African-American women are spirited & strong-willed. It's in their DNA to be leaders.
@FirstDan2000
@FirstDan2000 8 ай бұрын
Well said sir, that's a refreshingly positive view of the episode.
@drstevej2527
@drstevej2527 6 ай бұрын
So by that logic there may be something about European and Asian people that is genetically based which predisposes them to being more intelligent. Sorry but if you start down such a ridiculous path you need to consider the logical conclusions.
@bonusbaby801
@bonusbaby801 6 ай бұрын
@drstevej2527 , hey, how are you? Will you elaborate, please? I'm not seeing where I said that because of the Matriarchal society of some Western African tribes leads African-American Women to be strong-willed, precludes them from being anything else. I'm not seeing the line linking my statement to whether that makes anyone predisposed to greater or lesser intelligence.
@drstevej2527
@drstevej2527 6 ай бұрын
@@bonusbaby801 Yet you cited no evidence for any of this and CLAIMED that it was in their DNA. This means that there can be DNA in Europe and Asia that makes those populations predisposed to higher IQ if we use your nonsensical logic. Do you have any research credentials? Any at all?
@bonusbaby801
@bonusbaby801 6 ай бұрын
@drstevej2527 , and yet despite your unpleasant demeanor, I will continue to address you politely. It is an absolute fact that many West African societies are Matriarchal. The women are the ruling body & said leadership is passed through the woman's lineage. I should probably have then said they are raised to be leaders rather than attributing it to DNA. I apologize for my poor choice of words. Perhaps that makes it less "nonsensical", no?
@dominikkersten1506
@dominikkersten1506 8 ай бұрын
Patterns of Force was already shown on Sat 1 in 1996, during the 30 Years of Star Trek night. However, it was only allowed to be shown after 11 o'clock.
@jenniferwilliams9612
@jenniferwilliams9612 8 ай бұрын
10:23 I don’t know why you would call Tuvix controversial?! I never see it mentioned or discussed online in any forum. It was just a random season two episode of Voyager, with no staying power or controversy that I have ever seen…🙃
@All_I_can_say_is_Wow
@All_I_can_say_is_Wow 8 ай бұрын
I have to agree. The Tuvix episode was fairly dumb. I mean when there's an accident and you reverse it I don't see how that's killing someone. Imagine how Tuvok was feeling in there for crying out loud.
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
@@All_I_can_say_is_Wow Tuvix was completely acutuatedSinetient being with hsi own peronality . o it was lie killing living human top bring back ones who died. But wasn't last time Janeway did thator the first.
@All_I_can_say_is_Wow
@All_I_can_say_is_Wow 8 ай бұрын
@@0011peace Ok that's all well and good about Tuvix, but then what about Tuvok and Neelix who technically died in the accident?
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
@@All_I_can_say_is_Wow They died so technically they wern't alive anymore whjat you don when someone dies is omoprn them moa nd move on not kill somone who tp bring them back
@jenniferwilliams9612
@jenniferwilliams9612 8 ай бұрын
Clearly, the oozing sarcasm was clearly missed…
@curlybrace314
@curlybrace314 8 ай бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time there was really racist season 1, episode 4 of a TV show with "Star" in the name, I'd only have two nickels. But it's weird that it happened twice! (The other episode being Stargate SG-1 "Emancipation")
@rebeccatompkins
@rebeccatompkins 8 ай бұрын
_hands a warm cuppa and biscuits to Sean_ That was a rough episode for the Irish.
@KingfisherTalkingPictures
@KingfisherTalkingPictures 8 ай бұрын
I wonder if there’s enough for a list of episodes the producers were worried would be controversial, and the audience took in stride. An example would be Dax kissing another woman.
@marilynsobel7414
@marilynsobel7414 8 ай бұрын
I think you could find ten episodes where producers and audiences had opposite reactions! It wouldn't even have to be controversial ones. It could be episodes producers thought would be meaningful but audiences thought were silly, etc.
@thecunninlynguist
@thecunninlynguist 8 ай бұрын
😂 nicely played with #2 being tuvix. The lower decks episode is one of the best homages/call backs to it... He was murderrrrered!
@CanadianFabe
@CanadianFabe 8 ай бұрын
whoa.Janeway didn't **** around.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
Tuvix wanted two people to die so he could live. He's a live action Peanut Hamper
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday Anyalomost anyw one wouldn't want to die to save others speciually when tehy were alrady basically dead
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 8 ай бұрын
@@0011peace - Speak for yourself. Some of us have empathy and have no choice but to put others before ourselves. That's who we are even if it means death.
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday Most people wiil not give tier life for stranger. And, no one gives tier life for someone who is already deaf, Ruvpok and Nelix were effectively dead. But, it isn't the first or lat time JAnewqay did this nor the last. Cmanging time to save a crew memeber who had died. OFten causing other cre memebrs or todie,
@tweek01
@tweek01 3 ай бұрын
I love the new Robert April. That said, fans not liking it because it breaks continuity with the animated series doesn’t make that opinion racist. You should be ashamed of yourself trying to make it a racial issue, spreading hate. I saw many comments complaining and every single one was purely about breaking continuity. I’m disappointed in you Sean
@qdllc
@qdllc 8 ай бұрын
The funny bit is that I applaud how Janeway handled Tuvix. Tuvix owed his existence to the "death" of two other crewmembers, but he wasn't willing to sacrifice himself so that they could live again. Would Tuvok and Neelix done likewise? For all the superior advantages Tuvix supposedly offered, I think this was a significant character flaw. Imagine if your life could be extended, but the process would require one or more people die so you can "harvest" what's needed? Maybe you'd be okay if the items acquired were donated freely by the families of those who died, but what if they were forcibly obtained to "fill your order?" Would you be able to enjoy your extended life knowing what was involved to get it?
@lovehawks2814
@lovehawks2814 8 ай бұрын
Not sure how it fits in to this discussion, but a recent episode of Death Battle uses "Code of Honor" as an insult during the fight since one of the combatants was originally voiced by John deLancie.
@whiteknightcat
@whiteknightcat 8 ай бұрын
Beata (the late Karen Montgomery) in Angel One kind of reminds me a little of Nina Hartley.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
@STSWB5SG1FAN 8 ай бұрын
Were both "Patterns of Force" and the _Twilight Zone_ episode "He Lives" banned from being shown in Germany?🤔
@beminsterify
@beminsterify 8 ай бұрын
"Anyone that disagrees with race swapping an existing character is racist." -TrekCulture. Way to poison the well on that debate.
@aliannaflynn
@aliannaflynn 8 ай бұрын
'The Outcast' from TNG should absolutely have been on this list. Forcing someone through a medical procedure to change their sexuality/gender identity???
@jackdoyle7453
@jackdoyle7453 8 ай бұрын
With Culver this is bang on. Once they had undermined why not switch to the cmo or another doctor in sickbay. Just seems pointless
@JanAno98
@JanAno98 8 ай бұрын
Coincidently, Tele5 showed Patterns of Force yesterday evening here in Germany. As I have not seen that much TOS, I found it weird to see Kirk and Spock in Nazi uniforms. Maybe I should watch TOS sometime, but I cant keep up.
@Forge17
@Forge17 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s fair to deem criticism for Robert April’s race change as automatically racist. That’s always going to be controversial. I personally love his casting in SNW, and the actor’s chemistry with Pike is fantastic. but I do take exception to the fact that April was just portrayed as white, he was intentionally portrayed as a doppelgänger of Gene Roddenberry.
@Eggsy_TrekJedi
@Eggsy_TrekJedi 8 ай бұрын
A powerful and uniquely poignant episode,and Seán does his signature 5 Star work
@alanrogers7090
@alanrogers7090 8 ай бұрын
I have heard nothing positive about Mr. Hurley and Star Trek The Next Generation. It seems that he actually did his best to force a cancellation of that show.😢 As to "Tuvix", I noticed the costume with the fancy paisley pattern in one clip, but the next clip had a regular solid pattern. What's up with that?😂
@philiphunn194
@philiphunn194 8 ай бұрын
I think the one with the paisley is the one that Tuvix had when he first appeared (because of the merged clothes), and then he got a regulation one.
@veggiet2009
@veggiet2009 8 ай бұрын
They should've done another yesterday's enterprise and saved tuvix in an alternate timeline
@0011peace
@0011peace 8 ай бұрын
MAybe they should have done in the episodes with two Rikers mad all 3 live
@watts111
@watts111 6 ай бұрын
Remember: in TOS, the budget was so low that any time they could use recycled sets/costumes, they would. So: we get the nazi episode, the western episode, the gangster episode, and lots of toga episodes.
@gordonwallin2368
@gordonwallin2368 7 ай бұрын
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
@seanhillman1016
@seanhillman1016 8 ай бұрын
DS9 Season 2 Episode 10: Sanctuary. Depiction of Refugees and reaction to them. Enterprise Season 2 Episode 14: Stigma. Depiction of someone who has a disease but ASO a somewhat okay depiction of poly and a largely monogamous response from Trip, who wel...
@jackdoyle7453
@jackdoyle7453 8 ай бұрын
It's a shame that so many of the bad episode had a good allegorical idea to begin with.
@hillis1701
@hillis1701 8 ай бұрын
If you wish to truly depict equality, you cannot have sacred cows. Panning the death of Yar as "fridging" is intellectually dishonest. Also, objecting to changing the race or other characteristics of a known character is not racist, though I think the new April was awesome. He brought gravitas to the role. Frankly, too many imperfect people spend too much time pointing out the imperfections in everthing they encounter. It is not the role of the entertainment industry to lionize the current so-called marginalized group. Treating them as regular folks is a better plan.
@ashedarke
@ashedarke 8 ай бұрын
It was Picard's mum was said to have been fridged.
@kevinfarrell85
@kevinfarrell85 8 ай бұрын
What's the show/movie shown at 1:37?
@Scorpion15731
@Scorpion15731 8 ай бұрын
Idk people complain about fridging but forget that’s really what a lot of great characters have in their backstory Punisher, Kratos, The Flash, even Spider-Man. Picard’s actions as a child directly lead to the death of one of his parents. That’s something heavy for any kid and I felt it depicted mental illness really well and I’m schizophrenic.
@sarahkinsey5434
@sarahkinsey5434 8 ай бұрын
It sounds bad but tragedy makes for more interesting characters and growth. For example, Bashir was annoying for his attitude in the first few seasons for me and others because he viewed the tragedy of the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor as exciting frontier medicine. Kira was like "my tragic life and history of my planet are exciting?" I may not be describing what I mean very well. I guess better examples would be Nog and Jake after battles that scarred them.
@paultapner2769
@paultapner2769 8 ай бұрын
Forgot to mention: Conspiracy. Exploding head shots in Star Trek was a bit further than the franchise had ever gone before. Actually, shouldn't Miri be top of the list? Because that did get shown. Then complaints from parents led to it getting pulled. And those other three episodes not shown by the bbc for decades. I think that's far more of a controversy than people whining about an episode online.
@Jafar-dr6to
@Jafar-dr6to 8 ай бұрын
I’ve like Adrian Homes since he played detective Ryan on Sg-1
@Sovereign-kh4ng
@Sovereign-kh4ng 6 ай бұрын
I don't think anything should be "erased from history", we need to learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it. Too much these days is about sanitising and erasing history.
@robertszekely8686
@robertszekely8686 8 ай бұрын
There are many episodes in Star Trek that are controversial. This is not to say that all of these episodes are bad episodes. Many of them make us take a look at what is going on in own world today.
@AndrewLakeUK
@AndrewLakeUK 8 ай бұрын
I think we should leave "Code of Honor", Stargate had the same episode with the same writer, so no one will miss it.
@padfootspack
@padfootspack 8 ай бұрын
Since watching this I've gone down a rabbit hole of conTROVersy Vs controVERSY and found it a very contraversial subject :D
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