10 Movies Where It Didn't Matter That The Hero Lost

[@BrainMedicine]

I've always thought that the best bit of In the Mouth of Madness was the final scene: a brilliantly cathartic and haunting image of Trent wandering into a cinema to watch the film adaptation, only to find himself as the main character. Weird you didn't mention it.

[@aburke0823]

Right? That should have been highlighted! 😂

[@Busto]

What a wonderful ending! Though, it doesn't belong on this list. Trent is nothing more than an unreliable narrator. He's only a protagonist in the loosest sense. He's our stand in. That's why he loses it in the theater

[@MySerpentine]

@@Busto Nah, he loses it in the theater because he's watching the movie he's in and it's an absolute mindfuck.

[@trinaq]

School of Rock's ending was realistic in that there was no way that a band comprised of children who had been together for about three weeks would win against a professional band. No Vacancy were happy to let the kids have the spotlight, and were even impressed by them.

[@joelovearsenal2]

The most unrealistic thing is a battle of bands getting that many people in the middle of the day on a week day.

[@thedarintino]

Damn, how does The Bad News Bears (1976) not get a nod?

[@Nathan-xr6uk]

Might do, on the more... List

[@ericthompson3982]

The original Rocky is absolutely marvelous. My mom made me watch it when I was a kid, and she hates all the macho BS movies from that era. It's just a magnificent story beautifully told. The boxing is just context.

[@rachelranderson]

Bring it On! "2nd place, hell yeah!"

[@TheRealGras]

Was waiting for the explanation why the hero losing in Law Abiding Citizen didn't matter.

[@altondavis4003]

Gandalf the Grey went out like a gangsta. "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!"

[@paulhilton6426]

Gandalf won in literally every measurable way. Won against the balrog. Escaped from Saruman's prison. And the carefully crafted plans he sets in motion over time all come to fruition with the destruction of the ring.

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

"A wizard is never late.... nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to!" It was never about winning, or losing. He was doing what needed to be done.

[@paulhilton6426]

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[@Paul_McSeol]

I would add a minor correction in that Bond does visit his wife’s grave in (I think) For your Eyes Only just before killing Blofeld in a very anticlimactic and unsatisfying opening. Great list!

[@AnOldGeezer420]

I honestly don't give a f*** how much s*** y'all might talk about Ewan. I really genuinely LOVE how passionate this dood is when he talks about films and comics. It's refreshing. Thanks guy; seriously. 🙏🏼 I have a feeling you've had a hand in getting the last few film "critique" videos green-lighted, and they're genuinely the best content you guys have put out in awhile.

[@CashelOConnolly]

Dude not dood

[@AnOldGeezer420]

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[@CashelOConnolly]

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[@CashelOConnolly]

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[@traceythomas6761]

The Bond series would later revisit Theresa (Tracy) Bond's death in the Roger Moore era, with him visiting her grave before encountering and dispatching an (unnamed) Blofeld in a wheelchair.

[@d.a.baracus]

Raiders of the Lost Ark. Throughout the movie, Indy tries to stop the Nazis from getting the Ark, but in the end, he fails & is captured. The Nazis get the Ark, perform their ceremony, & are killed by God. Despite everything, Indy is essentially inconsequential to the outcome of this story.

[@stephenolan5539]

The coat hanger Nazi follows him to Tibet. Without Indy they would not have found the headpiece.

[@Trebor74]

Actually,you're wrong. You're assuming that German high command would forget about a potential war winning weapon after 1 failure and that no German expert could work out the secret like Indiana did. The only reason the allies kept the ark out of Hitler's hands is because indy was there to remove it before the Germans got there to see what had happened. So he was essential to the ending.

[@stephenolan5539]

@@Trebor74 And they would not have found it if Indy wasn't followed to Tibet.

[@Trebor74]

@@stephenolan5539 because indy was the only one who could find it?no other experts in the German side? He made it faster to find,that's all

[@scheidttruevaluehardware6731]

In the Big Bang Theory one of the characters point out that that Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark didn't matter what he did. He failed to stop the Nazi and they all died. which would have happened if he did nothing. Then at the end he still looses the Ark.

[@rachelranderson]

Does that count as losing though? I mean, the Nazis didn't get it. I feel like that's the point in Indy movies-- Big Goal is have Nazis lose; Second Goal is put McGuffin in a museum. Third Goal is avoid snakes. Usually he only achieves the first 😆

[@scheidttruevaluehardware6731]

@@rachelranderson 😂

[@stephenolan5539]

But he did make a difference. The coat hanger Naz* followed him to Tibet. If Indy had not gone the headpiece would not have been found.

[@captainspaulding5963]

Yeah, no. That explanation has been a thing for a LONG time now, it most definitely didn't start with TBBT.

[@Mandrake42]

The think I love about Sierra Madre is the Bogart is the one saying that gold would never affect him like that and he is loyal to his friends etc, yet he is the one who goes completely nuts. His agents didnt actually want him to do the role as they didnt think playing a villain was a good idea, but he owns the role.

[@Ceares]

I thought for sure Bring It On would be on this list. Though arguably, them not winning actually was important. It was basically an 80s teen movie told from the villain standpoint. Also, I saw Rocky in the theater when I was a kid and it was one of the most formative moments in my life. The lesson that there's WINNING and then there's winning and the second one can be just as important if not more important has helped me filter out a lot of bullshit. Read the script a few years ago and it's just as good as the movie.

[@wgrandbois]

You might want to trim out a duplicated line of narration around 11:50.

[@mandtoftexas8365]

Cars anyone? Lightning McQueen was the greatest last place finish ever, did not matter one bit

[@corbz273]

7:34 biggest team in baseball? The Yankees would like to have a word

[@Arnak-the-Dark]

Theresa "Tracy" Bond is mentioned again in "The Spy who loved me" and "Licence to Kill". In adition Bond does visit her grave in "For your eyes only".

[@heatherblack9491]

You know what the beginning of For Your Eyes Only, Roger Moore's James Bond is visiting Tracy's grave when Blofeld attacks him.

[@Mandrake42]

People should talk about In the Mouth of Madness more :P

[@maddalonefarms]

What about McQueen in Cars?

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Amazing video what culture.

[@aarondeck7934]

Man, y'all need to get on the "Arlington Road" train. Greatest good guy doesn't win movie to ever exist.

[@markbayer1573]

The original Bad News Bears!!! Coach Buttermaker and his misfit kids fight their way to the championship, which they lose by seconds. But it doesn't matter because they learn teamwork, self-esteem and sportsmanship...while the winning team's victory is notably hollow and their coach's wife is probably going to haul his butt into divorce court!

[@captainspaulding5963]

You don't lose a baseball game by seconds

[@TheHoliday2012]

MOSQUITO FECKIN COAST !!!

[@seancollins7447]

Coach Carter's team was great team at basketball, they were just in need academic focus

[@Nathan-xr6uk]

OHMS is my favourite Bond film

[@PaleHorse73]

School of Rock got it right. The school band while pretty good-ish, were well below the talent of the other bands. The judges make the right choice, no matter how the audience felt.

[@joonassummanen6130]

In the Bond novels Bond actually kills Blofeldt in the follow up to OHMSS. You Only Live Twice

[@KhanKharma]

I know it’s a long shot, but imagine this list category being applied to TV episodes. One example is the Simpsons season 8 episode “The Twisted World of Marge Simpson” where the Investorettes pretty much defeat Marge and Homer by having the Yakuza try to take out the Springfield Mafia, preventing the latter from killing Marge and Homer for not paying them and allowing Marge and Homer to run inside since they pretty much put the scamp of sabotagery into Marge’s pretzel franchise and Marge won’t be able to screw with them anymore (even though Marge didn’t approve of the Springfield Mafia’s actions and Homer’s the one who hired them, being the idiot he is, and he even almost blew his and Marge’s chance to run inside. But Marge was ok with the Investorettes destroying the pretzel franchise and stopped competing with them , and the Investorettes must have been really happy about that and about ultimately getting a satisfying revenge on Marge.

[@anhurtorrez]

Why do you guys always put something from Lord of the Rings on this list even though it has nothing to do with the list?

[@jessesanchez9187]

Real Steel (2011) - didn’t win fight against the champion bot. But certainly angered the owners /lasted longer than anyone else ever had. People were calling them the “People’s champion.”

[@johnbogg7395]

The Bad News Bears.

[@56postoffice]

Was there ever a proper home media release of *"In The Mouth of Madness"?* Because that's a f'kn underrated masterpiece from John Carpenter.

[@kdtfiles1]

It's had a couple DVD releases and a Blu-ray release.

[@Ciscospm]

I really believe the contrary about Bond's wife's death, it affects the franchise and the portrayal of the character from then on

[@ixtlguul4578]

Gandalf doesn’t belong here. He’s not the hero, and his defeat by Saruman is more of a temporary setback. He wins in the end. Should have featured “Bring It On” instead. Otherwise, not bad.

[@stevennabours1320]

Wrong about the Bond loss there... The ramifications of his wife's death are felt ongoing. It's why he is so off the wall in License to Kill for instance... It's the second time it was made personal, and he goes ape. She is also me filmed in other movies.

[@exclusiveconsciousness]

In the mouth of madness portion says the ending twice btw

[@williamdixon-gk2sk]

As a long time citizen of Oakland, ca. It never matters if they win, we were going to riot either way.

[@JNO1947]

Made it to the third movie. The second Jack Black movie on the list. Full stop. Never again

[@iamgoingtodeckyoutwo5966]

There is an editing mistake, a line repeat at the end of three.

[@tomk6312]

Why did they repeat themselves from 11:40?

[@mrgraham5521]

Good video, but wrong about the Oakland A's. If you don't win the last game of the season ( the championship ), it just doesn't matter. As a die A's fan in my 50' s who attended all of those home games, it was still a fun ride.

[@aburke0823]

Why the cheeky repeat WhatCulture?

[@bheast86]

CYRANO DE BERGERAC (nb 1990), DON QUIXOTE nb1957

[@Busto]

Your A.I. needs a learning model update.

[@galogiha]

quick questio: who in the bloody hell is GODZILLER?

[@HarrisLoops]

Am I the only one bored with the word titular, in What Culture videos, you could play a drinking game with how often the word is used

[@fabrislemos]

Gondzillar?!

[@JasonJones-og2ft]

Friday Night Lights?

[@martinwestern3334]

What about Raiders of the Lost Ark in that even if Indiana didn't arrive on the island the Nazis would still have died

[@edwardhofmeyr6384]

Poor editing for Mouth of Madness guys!!

[@RendallRen]

Do you read Sutter Cane?

[@BethHasThoughts]

The wild bunch. The most heroic losers ever.

[@RomaroBrandon]

I wish School of Rock was made by Disney because then they would have won which they should have!

[@captainspaulding5963]

No, they absolutely should not have won. They were children that had been making music together for WEEKS at best, there's no scenario where they beat an established band

[@RomaroBrandon]

@@captainspaulding5963 did you miss the part where I said Disney? Better question, when was the last time you watched the movie? They weren't at the same level as when they first started and the whole crowd loved them, even the winners showed them respect. These kids deserved to win!

[@altondavis4003]

Kong and Gojira are the same size in the original Japanese old school version and King Kong wins because a primate brain can out think a medulla only brain. Then they remake it and Gojira is a hundred feet taller than King Kong and is able to beat him GTFOH with that bullshit.

[@RedgraveKennedy]

“Godziller”

[@TherealHazlett]

Jack Black isn’t funny

[@captainspaulding5963]

"I don't find Jack Black funny." There, fixed your mistakes for you.