10 REASON ELECTRIC 4WD's WILL FAIL IN AUSTRALIA

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[@TurdBugler]

Jeep and reliable are two words that shouldn’t be used in the same sentence.

[@jeepercreepers54]

So is turd and bugler. 😅

[@steveweir2264]

11. Weight - The extra weight of the batteries, particularly with recoveries.

[@bstutt6960]

Let’s be real, whoever will own a cyber truck won’t do hardcore off-roading unless it’s for content

[@ruditoonen6057]

@@bstutt6960 they will once technology improves

[@mikeydangerous8808]

Aussie boys-no. Keep to your diesels that aren’t available here in the States…As a full-blown Tesla technician (including Cybertruck), enjoy your JDM diesels as long as you can. Don’t follow America’s propaganda for the Hummer EV or the 8-bit Cybertruck…they’re absolute junk, and we’re all jealous that you get the badass Landcruisers and Hiluxes over there!

[@paulbarnard5267]

You forgot 11 Mad Max in a cyber truck protecting a truck load of batteries just wouldn’t be the same.

[@christistrydom9035]

I fully agree with you. Wont work in South Africa either. We dont even have electricity for houses. Never mind vehicles

[@Philipk65]

EV as a 4WD? Absolutely not. Not even for around town.

[@ruditoonen6057]

Ok boomer.

[@WinahhTaylahh]

​@@ruditoonen6057ok rhee tahrd

[@Jaquim-cb8ip]

Exactly

[@JonnysAdventure]

Keeping the charge between 20%-80% is recommended when the vehicle is being stored to prolong the capacity of the battery as dendrites can form (some chemistry is more susceptible than others) but when you are using the vehicle you can use the whole of the battery without harming the capacity. Battery capacity does drop over time but tends to level off over time at about 85%-90% of its original capacity.

[@ChrisRyan_Oz]

The Electric Viking did a video a little while back of some guy with a Lightning that has done about 100000 MILES in about 2 years, with lots of DC fast charging. Battery health after that time: 97%. Anyway, your statements are correct, but the battery tech is improving all the time.

[@RoamingRooma]

Gotta love the Troopy (with 2x90L factory tanks & two fillers)

[@jerrymyahzcat]

Gotta hate the Troopy. Disgusting vehicles.

[@RoamingRooma]

@@jerrymyahzcat do you own one ?

[@Ozfreerider2504]

And an absolute bucket of shit to drive . We have land cruisers at work and ever time I get in one I wonder how anyone forks out 80k+ for them and can sleep at night

[@RoamingRooma]

@@Ozfreerider2504 haha. Time to buy a ssangyong musso.😂

[@Ozfreerider2504]

@@RoamingRooma same quality vehicle for 1/3 the price , could buy a Musso , a camp trailer and have 2 weeks in Vegas drinking cocktails around the pool for same money lol

[@dogg15]

Horse owners back in the day would have said the same bout the car. Technology advances so fast now that these issues won’t be a problem.

[@davesimmonds1133]

The first ev was made around the 1820's, it's taken 200 years to get to here. Don't hold your breath.

[@dogg15]

@@davesimmonds1133 yep. Imagine the next 200 years

[@intrusivethought]

It’s not just the technology. It’s also support network, ability to repair, cost and availability of said repairs and cost of insurance . Most ev brands will only allow you to take their cars to their own dealers and or repair centres.

[@yobgow]

@@davesimmonds1133 That's because they invested in ICE instead and ignored EVs. If the same amount of money and time had been invested in EV tech they'd be far advanced over whats available now.

[@waynekavanagh745]

Even if all these issues were addressed. It gets friggen HOT in Outback OZ, who wants to stand next to their EV in 50-degree heat while their shit box EV is charging

[@xanderjackson8518]

As an American I'm interested in the Jeep Recon. I've seen Rivians prove themselves on the trails and cross country. Things aren't as remote over here, so I could enjoy the benefits of an EV easier.

[@maine-lygamingtips2039]

🤣 Maybe where you are...there are no chargers within a usable driving range in most of the places I can easily drive to in an ICE 4x4. As far as buying any Jeep let alone an EV...I would direct you to any quality survey regarding Stellantis vehicles.

[@seannordeen5019]

I would not want to take a 5 year old EV on the kinda trips I want to go on in the US. As it is, I carry spare fuel for a reason.

[@jakedenteith2335]

What about the queue of cars to charge. They better put some more accommodation in all those ppl waiting a turn lol

[@darrentroypearson]

5 years driving a Tesla in regional NSW (and a Ford Ranger) and I have not once had to wait at a Tesla supercharger, there has always a stall available.

[@bernardrr]

It shows how good EVs have become that the arguments against have to do with "you can't cross a continent in a 3 ton truck in one shot." That's fine for 99% of use cases. I'm sure most people who own a fully kitted overlander also have a daily driver. It's OK to have both.

[@aresonasis3343]

Except that he was being very generous... That 500km range drops significantly with any amount of weight. Load it up for camping, and you're probably getting closer to 300km on a charge, if not less. This is a problem for tradies as well... SO really, these 4x4s, and other EVs are good for people who only need it to commute in the city. And at that point, an EV 4x4 is wholly useless.

[@bernardrr]

@@aresonasis3343 That's basically what I'm saying. Keep your fully-kitted overlander for your vacations and use something else day to day. After all, a truck that works great in the bush is nearly useless as a daily. You can't park it anywhere, you are using-up very expensive tyres, your neighbours hate the noise and smell, and you spend hundreds every month on fuel. Fuel savings alone will pay for a nice EV "shopping trolley."

[@3TZZZ]

Exactly. We replaced our city car with an EV. The fuel costs alone are less than a fifth of the cost of running a petrol car + there are zero servicing costs. The EV is serenely quiet. It’s the way cars should always have been. Having said that, we still have a diesel 4x4 for everything else outside the city. But I must say, the only reason is a lack of EV charging infrastructure and no credible / affordable 4x4 EV options yet. However, as the charging infrastructure becomes reliable across the continent (which will happen faster than most fear) and vehicles such as Rivian arrive in Australia, I will be an early adopter of 4x4 EV’s. ALL of the metrics are so much better than diesel IMO, as per my other post.

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

Sure, but it's not a 4wd.

[@3TZZZ]

@@mojrimibnharb4584 My future EV 4x4 will be

[@ginganuts8159]

After renting a Hybrid X-trail, I would for sure go a Hybrid in similar style 4wd, one where it is electric driven and fuel generator to charge the batteries.

[@andrewjones-productions]

I like this video as it not only highlights the downsides of current EV technology in the marketplace today, but also the many advantages and a glimpse into the future of what a 4WD EV could be. How far into the future, if it is at all in the future, I do not know but current battery and charging technology is certainly not up to much more of a job than a city runabout.

[@cjeam9199]

Nah current tech is fine for most people who own vehicles. They do really well for long ranges too, in places where there’s fast chargers, cos you save decent amounts of money.

[@neardood1]

I have to agree with Ronnie on this one. The battery technology alone just isn't good enough to get the range required for remote offroad travel in EV's. Throw in the fact that EV 4X4's are in their infancy and are unproven in harsh Aussie conditions.. yeah nah, its not happening.

[@T4nkcommander]

Spot on Ronny. We heard the same counter arguements here in the states before the Lightning and Cybertruck came out. Idiots who didnt own trucks - or never used them as trucks - said they'd be the "perfect truck" which was comical to any of us who have done any ranching, farming, or off-roading. Anyway, sure enough, the Lightning came out and promptly fell on its face trying to tow any range at all, and it is leagues better than the Cybertruck. But the idiots won't listen until they hemorrhage money. EVs are tanking fast now that the easy money is gone and the problems with EVs have made themselves evident to even the densest customers.

[@whitexicanat-large681]

A full ev with a small battery and a diesel/petrol range extender would be a great option in my opinion. You charge it for everyday use (which doesn't need a massive range) and if you travel you can just put some diesel/petrol in it. Best of both worlds. Not to mention a smaller battery would make the vehicles lighter, more efficient, cheaper, and more environmentally friendly.

[@oggyoggy1299]

PHEV

[@Syulang-nt4kj]

This. I think the Mitsubishi PHEV system is a good idea. Needs refinement and needs mating to a decent body, but the principle is very strong. If they offered it in the Pajero with a single electric motor driving the wheels through a traditional mechanical 4WD setup, you'd have the basis of a really good, cleaner 4WD that could multitask in town really well. Say a 15kwh to 20kwh battery, mechanical 4WD system, and make the motor a simple genset running in a narrow or constant RPM band to feed power into the system when needed.

[@davidroberts5199]

I’ve got a gen4 Outlander PHEV and it’s bloody brilliant. We’ll start to see similar PHEV systems in ‘proper’ 4wds with high clearance and more serious armour for the battery in the next couple of years. Once you drive around town on electric motors it’s just feels mad firing up a cold engine every time you want to drive to work or the shops. But you can’t beat the energy density of liquid hydrocarbons for long drives.

[@tim9241]

BYD Shark and Ford Ranger PHEV will be interesting for the market. I imagine Everest, Prado, Hilux, and Amarok will all have a PHEV option too soon. While people are declaring the sky is falling, it’s actually an exciting time in automotive development for all kinds of new offerings

[@poidonline4312]

Ronnie, the 80% rule is to reduce the battery degradation over time not due to fire risk, and the battery warranties are for 8 years they last way longer than that. There is no problem charging to 100% if you are on the move. However, that last 20% is also the slowest to charge so when you drive an EV long distance you only want to charge enough to get you to the next charging stop. This used to work OK in a Tesla on the main highways on the east cost, but now there are too many on the road and charging is painful when most people want to be on the road. EVs are nowhere near ready for Australia because thebrange is too low and the charging infrastructure sucks, and I don't think they will ever be ready for the outback because of the charging situation.

[@yobgow]

Bloke says he did research, but there is so much misinformation in this video it's hilarious.

[@Ozfreerider2504]

Check out the Audi Dakar race truck . Full electric drive train and had a petrol engine in the back running as a generator . So you get the benefits of electric torque , huge power and no gears or clutch etc . This could be something that could make it in to cars eventually for long range

[@allan1837]

that is just sheer stupidity,,,, driving long distance & only charge enough to get to the next charger.... what if that chargers not working.. what if you miscalculate or head west on the nullabore .. and find that the head wind has just knocked an extra 100k off your range

[@nick191088]

@@allan1837 I hope he means going from 80% to 40% and back up to 80% as an example. Anyone who goes from 40% to 0.1% and then back up to only 40% deserves to be stranded.

[@phumble87]

I think all these points are valid except durability. Without significant increase in battery power density and charge delivery, the most electrification we’re likely to see in overland 4wheel driving is there might be a decent hybrid at some point (there isn’t currently). Durability though, I have to disagree. How would they go on corrugations etc? I would expect better than anything. Think about it like this - the engine basically has one moving part. There’s no driveline to worry about at all, since the motor can be attached directly to the axle, and there’s no gearbox. You don’t need oil or coolant… only thing to worry about is suspension and tyres, which are already a solved problem. I take your point about if a computer breaks how do you fix it. Even for people like myself (I’m a software engineer), it would depend on the manufacturer making the systems accessible. Essentially I think for remote off-roading, they would need to make the software open source. But they can’t just make it open source, because if they give you access to basically re-program the computer, are you going to accidentally fuck up the brakes or the steering? Software is complex. Even someone who’s good at programming could cause unexpected behaviour, and in the tech industry, code changes that relate to people’s safety get THOROUGHLY tested before being made available to the public.. And are they liable if you have a crash after modifying the software? I can’t see it working to be honest. You would have to be able to self-solve ANY problem you could possibly encounter, and I can’t imagine how that would be possible without being able to push your own code changes. But in terms of PHYSICAL reliability, honestly, EV’s (as a concept) are pretty solid.

[@TimTamsLOL]

You definitely have oil and coolant in an EV. They still have differentials on the axles, often they have reduction gearboxes, and the batteries and controllers need active cooling which is done with a radiator and coolant circuit. It's a lot more maintenance free than a normal car though, to the point of being a total non-concern for up to 100,000km intervals, but whether that actually ends up being true is going to be down to how well-designed the particular car is. The same limitations that apply to a normal 4x4 on those systems will exist, eg, all diffs need breathers, so if not extended can suck in water on a crossing, radiators can be clogged with mud, etc. Overall I agree though - they are likely to be more durable, not less.

[@MR-hu1bx]

Yeah this is coming from a guy who said he’d never sell his V8 😂 Never say never

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Exactly, it's just a Sunday afternoon clickbait upload

[@ChrisRyan_Oz]

@@-PORK-CHOP- 100% agree

[@Brennomac83]

Explore life towed a boat from Brisbane 200ks to a dam return and only just made it, and they had it on charge all night as well. So towing a van, 150ks and recharge it. What happens if you're on the beach with tide coming in and she goes flat bahaha

[@CitizenCraftymethod]

probably similiar to running out of fuel. Try it again in 20 years, still won't be 'never'. Just like trying to explain someone who uses whale oil in their lanterns about the usefulness of battery powered (with small solar panels) on LED torches.

[@captainwin6333]

Yeah, that's the reality today but that wont be the reality in a decades time. Two decades time. Three decades time. This video could have been made about the internal combustion engine in Australia 120 years ago. "Why the ICE engine will fail in Australia." No fuel stations. ICE engine unreliable and not very powerful. No mechanics. No car shops. No decent roads etc etc. Things change, development happens. Li batteries are where they are right now but then, the first Li battery only hit the shops in 1991, relatively recently when compared to the first petrol engine.

[@Brennomac83]

@@captainwin6333 all fair points, but I'll let someone else be the guinea pig on this one.

[@deanadams7198]

@@CitizenCraftymethodI bet all these “never “ people were just as shocked at the idea of an automatic transmission

[@Brennomac83]

@@deanadams7198 never said never, I have been looking at evs for my wife. But get out into the remote parts and travel is another story.

[@RickZackExploreOffroad]

The reasons you listed also holds true in the States. EVs may make sense as a commuter vehicle in an urban environment but are just not practical in the bush. I'm too old and lazy to walk out of the desert.

[@valije]

If the Jeeps with the range reduction option (aka V8 392) have enough range in US, an EV should not be a big deal. AU is in a whole different level. Same with half of Africa.

[@SaltShack]

@@valijeWhat kind of fuel economy does venerable 80 series get? What ever the answer for any vehicle the solution is carry more fuel. I can’t carry more electricity or haul around enough solar blankets or windmills or nuclear power plants to create it.

[@RayJohnson1980]

In the USA there are a lot more chargers to allow off reading more viable so no issues

[@RickZackExploreOffroad]

@@RayJohnson1980 I've driven thousands of miles off road in the US and have never seen a charger on the trail. So no they are not a viable option for off roading. At least with the current battery technology, they just do not have the range. Even on pavement the EV trucks pulling a trailer have trouble making it to the next town. For example the Cybertruck has only a 90 mile range when pulling at capacity.

[@RickZackExploreOffroad]

@@valije The reality is that a gallon of gas or diesel holds far more energy then a battery. If one needs the extra range all you have to do is carry extra fuel. With an EV what you have is it. It is likely that an EV will only get half, at best, of it's estimated range when operating on rough terrain. It just takes far more energy off road then on a paved highway.

[@davemangle6448]

I’d love the EV conversions that Jaunt are doing in Victoria to old Land Rovers. Yes, bit of a niche market, but would be pretty cool if I could afford one.

[@tomdixon7955]

It's a non starter. I have a grenadier and my wife drives a Tesla. We have had the Tesla for nearly 5 years, its a great car and for day to day stuff it's brilliant. But if you need to do a long trip, forget it. Yes there are charging stations all over the UK but often when you arrive someone else is using it, and its not like waiting 2 mins for the diesel pump. Or they are out of order, or you have to download an app to use it... Honestly it's a massive PITA. If you are a 2 car family and you have a diesel for long family trips then an EV is really good, just don't think about driving big distances. And yes when it gets cold watch your battery life disappear... For the school run, commuting, and shopping EV's are great. For trips, towing and off road forget it.

[@falkdroste9895]

100% agreed!

[@blackcat4370]

Rivian is such a great company, that they now need the money from Volkswagen to survive and not going broke! Even in Germany the great brands are starting going back from EV, because there are to much problems with the batteries, the range, the cost and at most with the problem of charging.

[@reddmessiah6363]

Full electric will never work, but diesel electric could give the benefits of full electric with the ability to refuel. Also towing could be easy cause of that torque. Reason trains are diesel electric

[@RazVanPaulOfficial]

I'm happy with my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV because 90% of the time doing the rounds around town it saves me a lot of money driving electric from the solar panels and the 10% of medium off roading to various camp sites with the family is good enough. Comprising yes, but I think that's the best of both worlds.

[@andrefischer5025]

The sad thing is that none of that matters, the manufactures will build & sell what makes them money and the number of people using a 4wd for more than a shopping run is so small. The manufactures won’t care

[@Alan.livingston]

This is the correct take. Some content creator from Perth, the world most remote city, isn’t 90% of actual 4wd owners who are east coast and mostly day trip. Yes, EV’s can’t replace all 4wd’s, but for your average dickhead from the suburbs of mel, syd, or bne, they can do anything they need.

[@andrefischer5025]

@@Alan.livingston What Ronny said is still true. 4WDs are just not a good example for the situation, as 90% of 4WDs could be replaced with something else in Australia. But have a look at the humble 2WD tradie Utes that drive many kilometres and tow trailers all day long - everything said in the video can directly be applied to this group of vehicles. Haven't seen a single 2WD Ute EV......

[@ChrisRyan_Oz]

The Ford F150 Lightning is actually an example of a vehicle that would be useful for tradies - has power on board to run things at sites without needing a generator. Prices need to come down for anything like this, but it's early days yet.

[@andrefischer5025]

@@ChrisRyan_Oz still no alternative to a basic 2wd Triton or BT50 unfortunately. Wondering what's going to happen? A new 4x2 Hilux is less than $30k ......

[@ChrisRyan_Oz]

@@andrefischer5025 My prediction: less than 10 years, maybe quicker, but I think the fossil fuel industry, clueless politicians and other misinformation trolls will probably slow it down. Also, for that Hilux, can it provide power to the tradies tools?

[@richieh4WD]

It just doesnt work. Maybe it will in the future but i cant see manufacturers making batteries any bigger than they need to. So, what are we looking at here, most of the country being inaccessible? How is the government allowing that? What about the people living in remote areas!?

[@gaz8410]

Vehicle manufacturers are being forced to reduce emissions across the fleet that they offer for sale. They can average it out across their models, so a quick way of meeting targets is to have an EV in the fleet. At this stage, the main target buyer of a 4WD EV would be the weekend warrior who is city based and occasionally sneaks out to nearby 4 wheeling areas which are in range. And mining companies who can install rapid chargers on site.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

To be fair - an electric Ute may well suit a tradie who just stays around town. So much cheaper to run and they can charge it up each night. Also - Perth to Sydney has been done already my plenty of EVs. Yes you have to stop to charge and yes you must follow a route that has chargers BUT this nonsense about not using the top or bottom 20% of the battery capacity isn’t valid. On a road trip like that you definitely can fast charge to 100% and use down to 0%. Just best to stick between 20-80% when pottering around the cities. Road trips - can totally use it all. And if you have an LFP EV really the 80% rule isn’t anywhere near as relevant. Certainly though I agree that off-roading and towing - EVs are a long way off. What we need is every servo having EV charging and Hydrogen and we have have a winner all round. Mind you - can’t carry backup Jerrys of fuel for EVs unless you also carry a generator. For your survey - it’s petrol engine all the way for a 4WD for me (not pertol). Can’t stand diesel.

[@Haywoodjablomie100]

Go watch Heavy D Sparks Cybertruck conversion to run snow tracks then to run sand rail tyres. He's that impressed he's putting it in the Baja 500.

[@cjeam9199]

He did WHAT?! Also, holy shit the diesel mad guy?! Wow. I’ll enjoy watching that one.

[@franciscoshi1968]

In case you didn't know, there are chargers thru the Nullarbor and EVs do that stretch. One last thing you are forgetting is that as more people get EVs more chargers are installing. Lastly, if you really wanted you could install an off grid charger. This would be much cheaper than having a fuel station in the same spot.

[@dazaspc]

EV's have a place and that is with a remote controller for kids. Biofuel is the solution and will be powering ICE in the future. Be it hydrogen for fuel cells or old chip fat style in diesels or ethanol in petrol engines.

[@ajstevens1652]

100%

[@Syulang-nt4kj]

EVs work well in urban envrionments. Buses, local delivery vans, taxis and city cars (which really are the ideal vehicle for... well, cities - so a sizable chunk of the vehicle flet which spend their whole life trundling around western sydney carrying groceries, dogs to the park, kid to school and grandma to the doctors). For regional and remote use, biodiesel is absolutely a good fuel. I wish it was mandated here. Hydrogen is just another fossil fuel and has no real future except in some very niche roles IMHO.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

@@Syulang-nt4kjHydrogen isn’t a fossil fuel at all. It’s the most abundant element in the universe and can be extracted from all sorts of sources.

[@dazaspc]

@@Syulang-nt4kj Hydrogen reasearch re the manufacture is getting somewhere. Once it can be derived from a bacterial source it could be used for fuel cell vehicles. Those would be electric but using a fuel cell and gas as the main power source. Still electric powered, quick to fill and a lot lighter overall.

[@cjeam9199]

Hydrogen isn’t a biofuel. Hydrogen is also thermodynamically too inefficient to work as a vehicle fuel, with significant disadvantages over just batteries for most vehicles, and therefore won’t be used for the small number of vehicles where it might make sense due to infrastructure costs. Biofuels probably aren’t going anywhere either. Ask anyone who’s seriously involved in them and knows their stuff. You might find synthetic fuels or e-fuels, made from electricity rather than grown, have a place again for certain vehicle types.

[@hantusmostert]

Solution for EV4x4 remote camping = Trailer with a Tesla Megapack. Nobody buys a used EV, my math says 100% depreciation. EVs = Laptops

[@NathanNostaw]

I buy used laptops. :) I'm poor and tight arse, I'd happily play with a ( cheap ) used EV. I'd rip all the gear out and graft it into my old crusty land rovers.

[@oggyoggy1299]

100% depreciation? Great! Where can we pick up these free cars?

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

@@oggyoggy1299 This is typical garbage blurted out by the uneducated, what Ronny is also saying is also full of wrong scaremonger information.

[@ajstevens1652]

​@@oggyoggy1299 The junkyard.

[@NathanNostaw]

@@ajstevens1652 have you seen the wrecker prices on EV parts? Hardly 100% depreciation, more like 50%, by the time each part is sold off.

[@LionRunner]

Here in the USA I do not see my self buying an EV 4x4. I love the peace of mind I have with my Toyota 4Runner off pavement and on pavement. Even when I travel interstate I don't plan refuel, I just check the exit board, pump gas, buy some snacks and back on the road. Shortly we'll be in Yellowstone national park and we won't be wasting time recharging inside the park. Just pump petrol and on the way. We only have one week to cover approx 2000miles planned trip. I don't see that happening in an EV.

[@Natures_Doctor]

The only way it could work would be a hybrid system with a diesel electric powerplant

[@paulandpedro]

Comment section on this one will be fun…

[@julianmcgregor7949]

Haha I'm just waiting for it to devolve into arguing about USA politics

[@justinlynch3]

That seems to what people are missing. Electricity still comes from coal in many places around the world, and the more demand EV's put on the grid the more pollution coal plants will put out. It doesn't seem like we're gaining anything. Last summer here in Newfoundland was insanely hot and this summer is still bloody warm. Certainly doesn't feel like Global Warming has been impacted by EV's, if anything the weather has only gotten warmer since this EV push started. Wouldn't surprise me if the increased demand on power grids has completely offset any pollution savings EV's was offering.

[@danieltsv119]

Thank you Ronny, really enjoy your posts over the years. We have traveled the Savannah Way from coast to coast, and like other videos you have posted showing our beautiful and remote landscapes, EV vehicles are not capable of lasting the distance, let alone the river crossings and harsh corrugated roads. Governments will try and force us to EV vehicles, but this will hurt our remote communities, towns and our agriculture/farming industries who rely on diesel vehicles for everyday life. Those politicians and people who don’t venture out of concrete cities are the ones missing out on experiencing what remote Australia has to offer. Keep up the shows Ronny, may see you around the traps when you visit FNQ one day,

[@deejayvee]

I know this will get you heaps of views Ronny, but it's a bit disengenious to say they will never work due to the technology and infrastructure available today. Battery technology will improve, as will charging infrastructure.

[@TheMintox]

I think you need to travel the Aussie bush. I have like Ronny and no EVs will never work in the Aussie bush. Period.

[@deejayvee]

@@TheMintox you don't know me, champ. I've travelled in the bush plenty of times and agree it's not viable now, and probably won't for a good many years. But never is a long time and predictions about future technologies are always hard to make

[@reubs91]

Why does it have to be 100% ev though?

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

It's just a click bait to get more money to pay for his overpriced cars

[@reubs91]

@@deejayvee I’ve noticed Ronny does the “never do this” or “never will work” a lot, a bad habit and probably one that annoys a lot of people. People that have absolutes like that frustrate me.

[@grahamehuxley859]

True story, YT just shoved an ad for an EV down my throat. When will the world realise EV's are simply a marketing ploy.

[@gslim7337]

I've just travelled from Melbourne to Perth in a Kia Cerato that gets me 650km on one tank. Forget ever trying to do this trip in an EV. It is absolutely ridiculous. I'm running the heater over a winter run, and it's okay. There's not a chance doing that in an EV. I really appreciate having done it how remote Perth is. Anyone that says it's possible without risk or compromise in an EV is out and out lying. I'm looking at you Yahoo.

[@jmfu]

EV is a fashion trend for yuppies and dorks . 🌭

[@Gogga7]

Don't forget the soyboys and tree huggers

[@T4nkcommander]

A fool is soon separated from his money!

[@perpelle]

Let's be serious here. Few EVs (except air cooled ones) needs a battery change after 10 years. Battery degredation is probably around the 10-15% mark depending on usage.

[@waynekavanagh745]

Let's be serious here, you have to much faith in the marketing material propaganda.

[@perpelle]

@@waynekavanagh745 Look at the statistics we have so far with the vehicles that are 10 years old. Being ignorant doesn't help your cause.

[@T4nkcommander]

There's a very popular KZbin video of a guy blowing up his Tesla because the batteries didn't make it past 8 years (if even that). Was going to cost him the car cost again, so he did the smart thing and got rid of it and made money off views.

[@shutterfish]

Several Teslas got destroyed batteries in deep water in Iceland. And this is in the town 😂

[@scottcovo]

Weight. Start at 3t without anything added to them. Tyres? What will fit?

[@freelanceriders]

Hey mate. Donut have tested the Cyber truck on a off road, pretty much confirmed what you're saying.

[@trackwidener9860]

Moab hells gate cybertruck .I wouldn't do that in my Troopy

[@DEREK0313]

2:40 What a beautiful scene

[@roberttaylor7451]

The only thing Jeep has proven is that they are absolute shit. Pricy shit at that. I like the old Jeeps when they were on par with farm equipment. The modern Jeep is big with terrible cargo space and overall reliability. I have a 17 4Runner and it is the fifth 4Runner I have owned. When the engine gets tired I am converting it to the 2.8 diesel that is in the new 70series. Expensive swap but not compared to building another truck to this level of perfection. I don’t mean just the baseline truck, I have the best quality of everything I installed and the setup for overland travel is near perfect for our needs. It’s also on 35s with a re gear and double locked. It’s a beast off road and an engine would cost a fraction of replacing the truck. Cheers

[@8739paulstep7]

In china they got the tank 300 phev and leopard 5 going against japanese 4x4. Also byd just released the shark in Mexico too.

[@gr7788]

Yes, but are they like the Mitsubishi phev? Heavier than the petrol model, they run out of charge, then actually use more fuel than a standard ICU vehicle due to weight. And ICU engine does not charge the battery

[@8739paulstep7]

@gr7788 apparently it can do over 1000km on one tank and a full charge. Plus, you get vehicle to load with its 30kw battery. That's the byd shark anyway.

[@StuartKarlson-qn8pj]

In ten yrs you’ll all change your mind

[@Footballeditor450]

Stop lying

[@mangoszki4531]

That's if we survive WW3

[@iannorris6582]

So what you’re really saying is “EV’s are &@“$”g rubbish” and I completely understand 👍

[@mikedawe692]

This has been tossing around in my mind for a while. What if remote service stations had a pretty huge solar array out the back charging small trailers chockas with batteries and large truck batteries. Pipe dream I know and no good if your already towing but a possible solution to the distance issue, east-west anyway.

[@nick191088]

Besides the misinformation, the primary misconception in this video is that most 4x4 owners are adventurers planning expeditions into the wilderness. Most 4x4 owners are parents of large families who want the largest safest vehicle for their family and Teslas are the safest cars on the road. Plus they can drive themselves and go fast!

[@hi9580]

Fast charger on remote beach and in middle of desert.

[@maine-lygamingtips2039]

It's the same in America...they make OK city vehicles, but EVs are not ready for the remote areas at all.

[@TheM6lachlan]

Our electricity grid is approximately 30% renewable with renewable growing. Agree with the video in regard to long distance, remote travel and towing long distance. Regarding battery longevity, I have and 8 year old EV and battery is still fine, no noticeable range loss. I have a CT deposit and will purchase when available, it will suit our needs including towing and mild off road.

[@thelonewolf666]

australia will take 200 years to build ev charging to cope with large amounts of evs--- luckily we only have a small percentage of dopes who buy evs

[@reubs91]

PHEV will become king of Australian roads, EV’s for the city folk, PHEV for the country folk, and pure diesel with mild hybrid for the mines. Mines will take ages to switch to electric, once a couple of EV’s burn they won’t touch them.

[@jeronimocanton9557]

I live in Patagonia Argentina, and I don't see that the EV Trucks will work here either. As I say to a few Yankis that ask why we all use Hilux " Have you ever saw on the TV a column Talibans or other fighters riding on F-150??.. Imagine in Siber trucks!!" Great channel!!

[@doodledoobie29]

It's not just electric off roaders, all eletric vehicles struggle in super high or sub zero temps. Although could Australia power it's bush mining operations with solar panels instead of genrators and lorry loads of fuel. The solar panels could be placed or folded in to a stack and hoisted on to the back of a pick up using the winch and a couple of pulleys mounted on the roof to run the winch cable from the front over the roof to the rear flatbed when the gold runs out in that area.

[@fenceman53]

Yeah it will work. Wind turbines with battery storage every 50 miles to charge. 80.4 kilometers to you blokes

[@chrisfanchier2318]

I have no intention of ever owning an EV Vehicle at all. I won't argue that they have their place. That place just isn't with me. Also after seeing a few reports of the Tesla Cyber Truck getting bricked by a CAR WASH(yes that happens a few times already in the USA) I'm not exactly sure I would want to bother.

[@j01HUNTER]

You should check out what Edison is doing with the Hybrid electric conversion kits there making that would be a decent idea over hear as well

[@dadaadad1366]

I think that the ultimate goal for the extreme greenies would be. No more 4x4 or caravan and camping lifestyle in Australia. "Its a luxury where millions of km are wastefully travelled each year, and it must be stopped". So let's put and end to that too. It may sound silly, but I wouldn't put it past a government implementing this by raising fuel taxes. Raising registration costs as the vehicle gets older , like in Japan. Think cheap near new Japanese imports in NZ in the 80s. The " ute" tax is coming. It's just the start. Fuel tax rises won't be far away, as people will probably keep their vehicles longer and maintained. The government wants us to go electric. So squeeze us out with the above big tax rises. Would that be political suicide, ? Im hanging on to mine for as long as it takes!

[@MrDingaling007]

You can charge to 100%... They just recommend 80% for longevity. But LFP batteries are taking over and not even a consideration to worry about. Million mile battery.

[@jasonandlesleyread7428]

I would have thought EVs in Aus could do well in time. Australia has lots of sunshine, plenty of spare space for large solar arays. One big advantage with electricity is that the consumer can obtain the needed equipment to make electricity. Also EVs as 4x4s don't need air, no snorkels, engines can be completely sealed. Much simplified drivelines. You can have 4 motors driving each wheel independently. Awesome control over traction etc.. (Check out Rivian "tank mode") I think you are writing them off too soon Ronny.

[@rajuparvej]

best off rod car ❤❤❤❤❤

[@qanshawis-haqat6635]

I will think of getting one . when I pull to the gas station and fill it up within 5 minutes and go for at least 1200 kilometers

[@-PORK-CHOP-]

Then that would be faster than filling up with diesel, if you can fill anything with enough fuel to go 1200ks in 5 minutes I'm superman

[@stevenlippis5488]

​@-PORK-CHOP- the wife's mondeo will do that on a 60l tank. Doesn't take too long to fill. I might get similar range in my prado, but yeah, the 180l takes a few minutes.

[@3TZZZ]

...No one is saying EV’s are currently capable of replacing long range touring vehicles. …but they will be. The reasons are in fact similar to why Ronny ditched the V8 in favour of the new Land Cruiser. Driveability, fuel economy, a smoother, quieter ride, more torque, more power. …Across all these metrics EV’s are next level. Add to that, low maintenance, almost zero servicing costs, forthcoming two-way battery charging capable of running a house, or whatever gear you want, and not to mention 4x independently controllable motors at all four wheels enabling far superior traction. ...EV 4x4’s will become a no-brainer. Range anxiety is the only issue remaining, which will disappear in the next 10 years or so, as batteries become more efficient and EV’s can be charged via solar arrays across the continent for a tenth of the fuelling cost of diesel, on a network that will eventually negate the need for any fuel shipping. + everyone seems to forget, if necessary you can charge an EV overnight on any standard powerpoint, anywhere in the world. You can also carry a 3phase charging cable which will charge you in 4-5 hours, at any caravan park and endless outback locations. All cheaper than diesel. …and slowing down is the true art of travel after all. The naysayers will only prolong dirty diesel, until one of their mates gets an EV and they see how good it is.

[@seanchristie7150]

Fantastic video, should be played to every politician who is involved in the EV decision making. EV's are definitely not suited to remote travel and probably 90% of Australia

[@Expedition_Tranquilo]

Never say never. The equations all change when BEVs get to 1,000km range. Give it 5-8 years and we’ll be there. And we’ll soon be getting charging trailers for EV 4x4 - Ford already has a patent submitted. Towing will still be an issue, but we’d rather a rooftop tent than a caravan anyway, gives us more freedom.

[@marcturner5809]

Watch out, Delusional Bowen might get his eSafety Commissioner onto you. He wouldn’t want anyone dissing his EV utes.

[@FatboyAussie]

Owning both an EV and a Hilux. EV is great around town. It’s cheap, easy to park and comfortable. Anything more then a 200km trip I take the Hilux.

[@Tellminator]

Only reason to buy a ev in my opinion is "prepping". When there is no more gas/diesel coming in, beeing able to charge your vehicle at home (even if it takes 2 days) is valuable. Also ev vehicles don't need that much maintenance. No diff lock, gearbox etc that can break down (but on the other hand, software problems and battery life problems)

[@WesternAustraliaNowAndThen]

EVs in general are greewashing nonsense. When it comes to 4x4s they are just a joke in Oz.

[@Peter79123]

Nope no way, not only in Australia... Afrika.... and all cold places even like Skandinavien, Alaska plus plus. Good video 💯👍

[@oliverblake7619]

Like more of the older clips with proven facts an your own driving experience… These new video style is to much palyful in my opinion. Would like to see more real driving scenes and less stock pictures with „bang and boom“! What about the ineos in direct off road comparison to the 76 LC ??? Can you make a video about driving on side slopes on different terrain. Nobody did that propper before… you could be the first! Sand, Rocks , Mud … Diif locks or not while side sloping? I thihk you know what you are doing regarding the ammount of clicks… but my self personaly is more with the older stuff. If you want to tell something about 4x4 EV would suggest to get your hands on one and take it (a little) outside. There may be many people interesstded in. Sorry for bad english and greetings from Germany…

[@ozzlemcschnozzle7250]

A 100% ev 4x4 is silly but a hybrid done right is appealing.

[@falkdroste9895]

I have a landcruiser for the long trips and an EV for around town. For me that’s the perfect combination. Can’t see myself only having an EV. However I don’t agree with the environmental part. EVs are more environmental friendly. Maybe not so much in WA now. But if you can charge at home with solar or if the grid power source changes in a few years so will the car. My landcruiser will always burn old trees and can’t be tuned to run on solar or wind. Still prefer my landcruiser though!

[@edu4818]

Evs are for idts

[@karmann1799]

Until a EV can charge on the go so you dont need 240v, they wont survive on long distance off the beaten track. And thats the kicker. Australia is a WIDE OPEN country.

[@Combatants1]

Not many humans can drive for longer than 500km without a 10-15 minute break

[@jackbarnes6929]

Ronny, you almost got it right, but you need a 15Kva generator @ 160Kg, plus fuel. Hopefully the EV’s GVM is up to the task as I’m not sure how one would get a GVM upgrade for an EV.

[@garethhammett]

I would have thought you’d have said the same at some point about loosing the v8

[@td42williams77]

He did, he bagged the shit out of 2.8s and then actually drove one and owns one. Same same

[@JohnErnstP76]

Range anxiety based on how many trips from Perth to Sydney? So you buy a car based on the maximum distance you might do once a year????? That dumb! Buy a car based on how far you drive everyday, the fact is most 4WDs in Australia do no more than 60km a day, even weekend warriors don’t do more than 400km. This means overnight charging at home is totally practical and gives you 600km range every morning, how many ICE 4WD have got maximum range available every day. Resale value…. in 10 years ICE vehicles will be stranded assets, in 10 years new motor needed (20k plus) battery it will be degraded but replacement will get cheaper, we know this from Toyota Prius batteries are now half of what they were.

[@Pinchy80]

This is where a range extender EV will come in. Pure EV will never work for long range either trucks, caravans or touring. But if you have a conventional engine linked to a generator or in the future a hydrogen combustion or fuel cell this will give the benefits of the EV and the range of fuel, but at the cost of weight and complexity

[@charlesjeffery9644]

Honestly what I'm keen to see is a hybrid land cruiser. Imagine all the torque and instant power of the electric motors (especially if you have 1 on each wheel so power can be sent to each one individually) combined with the massive range that EVs can get and the quick refills of ICE cars. Might be slightly less reliable, but only a little bit and that would be worth the trade off.

[@JJ-uy2sg]

check out the tank 500 hybrid

[@Wayno77666]

As a work commuter where you can park at a charging station they work well. Charge at home as well. Alas lots of problems to iron out before oil runs out, with the ammount of LNG we have in this country, LNG should be chosen as preferred fuel however, global market drives car production and engine selection, our market is small comparatively. As a tourer or remote vehicle, its a big no, until the network has expanded significantly, even then its going to have weak points. our state government is pushing hydrogen power, bit like a monorail from the simpsons.

[@NathanNostaw]

The most exciting EV direct for Australia is what Edison Motors and Deboss Garage are developing. They are working on a retrofit hybrid system for all the common US and Canadian pickups. EV axles, batteries and a diesel engine. Check out the great Logging trucks Edison motors have built. Retro fit and new, both Hybrid will all the pros of EV and all the Pros of ICE, and even a mobile powerplant for a work site. And from an environmental and wastage point, retro fitting an existing vehicle is far better than buying new. I also don't trust a new manufacturer to build a real heavy duty machine. They would design for the average customer that just does the school run or light off roading. Would also be awesome to retro fit our already customised offroaders or tourers and saving all that significant investment we already have in them.

[@dontrump4697]

A real life road test in USA showed the cybertruck could achieve 85 miles on a full battery towing a reasonable sized caravan. Putting that into Australian perspective, doing a road trip from the West Coast to the East Could and back you could easily clock up 10 000k. 85 miles = 137km. 10 000k divided by 137 = approx 73 recharges. This is assuming charging infrastructure is available but every 137 km across Australia I think not. The average re-charge time for the cybertruck was 1.5 hours each. 73 x 1.5 = nearly 110 hours or 4 and a half full days and nights in total just waiting around for the car to charge. Also the cybertruck must be reversed into the charge bay which means unhooking and then rehooking your caravan 73 times. Enjoy your EV! Also the American test showed it was more expensive to recharge the Tesla than it was to buy diesel - though I don't know how that compares to Australia as diesel in America is cheap.

[@haanjamiis]

8:40 EV batteries have great resale value even at 60-70%. Those are used for home batteries, since home batteries cost too much at the moment. Also even though the whole battery says 80%, does not mean that all cell are that degraded. Most of the times replacing few cells in battery helps to restore the battery to much better condition. As more EV's reach the age, more places that do replace or reuse the batteries will pop up. That said, yes IMO the EV's are not ready for remote travel..yet.

[@user-do7zw1hb7u]

We live in south Africa and think all you said is true for us as well.I think I would add the weight of it against it too.How big a winch will it need and will someone able to push the thing.

[@benengelbrecht5637]

Even in Southern Africa it is an Absolute NO.

[@eddyhoek8919]

Ronny, what was with the American highway when you said Nullabor?

[@nicknick7052]

Then much better the testing SMR solution by Rolls-Royce fitted on large 4WD and trucks. The small modular reactor doesn't need any refueling for 3 to 7 years but some prototypes are designed to operate up to 30 years without refueling. Probably the best solution in couple of years and the uranium is pretty abundant in Australia.

[@OutbackOutlaw]

Whose bright idea was this? 😂😂

[@AKNigel]

People have circumnavigated Africa in an EV. But I think 4x4 is sort of a costume for many people and EV marketing conflicts with previous 4x4 marketing.

[@mariocueva8700]

Fast charging a battery reduces its overall lifespan . Specially if it’s done often. Also, ev batteries are sensitive to high temperatures. Like the ones experienced in the outback. I don’t recall if it’s reduced range or reduced lifespan. One or both. Lastly, it has been repeatedly demonstrated that ev’s don’t like any kind of drag, like towing a caravan which can reduce range significantly. I think it’s about 20%. That goes for going up hills too.