10 Reasons Why Classic WoW is Better and Worse Than Retail

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[@davidthompson6099]

Skills. When you press mortal strike, you get mortal strike. Not mortal strike and 30 procs you have no control over that are 80% of your damage.

[@jmanjman2685]

I like Classic more then retail but i just wish Blizzard would take what is best about classic and put it in retail. I hope we get TBC servers but i mainly just want retail to be good again. I feel like nothing in retail matters. Like gear, having a main, gold does not matter you can just buy your way to max level and having gold. Also the gear is just rng based garbage with nothing really mattering. I also get the feeling many Blizzard staff just dont play the game anymore. Like the azerith system and dailies are boring as hell and I doubt anyone at Blizzard do these.

[@Blazingwheel]

Ever since the change in WoD with the character models, I can't stand retail, the models in retail just look over cartoonish like kid friendly. Classic models left more to the imagination and has meaner looking character models.

[@danielhayden8674]

I've been thinking about this a lot as someone who loves classic. The best thing about the game is that you are forced to be social, and because there's no dungeon finder, social reputation actually matters. The things forcing you to be social are all the things most people consider a pain in the ass: hard mobs, grindy levelling, tough group quests etc. But a key one is the class design. I was watching analysis of Shadowlands class changes and everyone wants their class to do everything. Everyone has to have burst and good single target damage and good AOE and good mobility. Playing retail as a shadow priest, it's like... Sure I'm ok in raids, but in casual content or mythic plus I suck because I'm one of the only classes that still has ramp up and no mobility. In classic class design is kind of a mess and a bunch of specs aren't viable - retri pallies, boomkins etc. But every class has their niche too. Mages are THE aoe class: Rogues are THE single target damage, Locks are THE dot class. You had an identity and had to work together. In retail it's more just like, one button to delete a mob in a range of colours. Because class design was such a mess, they were limited in how they could design raids. But I wish we could go back to that sort of identity (along with making the levelling and gearing feel rewarding again) in Retail.

[@thaloh]

In a perfect world, we would have Classic's gameplay and social aspects, with retail's graphics and animations.

[@xande59o]

🙏

[@BasedChadman]

Still hoping for this. Maybe a classic plus with texture and animation revamps.

[@oskarsvanberg4157]

I prefer buying my skills from a class trainer, makes it more rewarding once you get it

[@Bossbabyy99]

Skill upgrades, new spells, and the old talent systems are great.

[@robertAnthonyColon]

Oskar Svanberg buying the same rank like 10 times,?

[@tuhmitsu]

yes! that's was one of the best things in classic. i can't understand how someone finds this rewarding system so ''irritating''.

[@juhomantynen4638]

My favorite version of this was in Cataclysm. You needed a trainer to teach you new abilities, but they didn't cost so much you literally have to grind gold to be able to afford anything apart from skills. If you insist they need to cost something, then the cost should be way less. Losing 30g in classic at lvl 56 to learn new ranks to your essential spells feels unrewarding and honestly a bit like theft.

[@davidoliver9655]

Same with building groups for runs

[@paulswabek173]

I think those time consuming farms are way more rewarding than the daily's in retail. You never had to do that you could buy most enchants and rep rewards worth end game. But for those who did you felt accomplished unlike just doing 20 daily's then fucking off til the next day.

[@HaplessOne]

Classic wow made me feel like I wanted to explore and quest and I loved that feeling. I would actually respect mobs of equivalent level as strong enemies and not just sprint up to them, and like you said id have to strategize. These days you just mindlessly quest until you can do dungeons and then you mindlessly grind those. Retail just feels pointless to me personally.

[@General_Snus_]

@Jonathan Soko I think you just missed the point. The point is that questing is more rewarding in classic since it gives quite a good amount of Xp and gear. While retail just lays more on the side where dungeon grinding is superior!

[@aldo6532]

That is literally the problem dude - you level up too fast in retail, enemies get easy fast and since you can just use the dungeon finder to level up instead you don't actually need to explore the map. In classic you level up slower, enemies are a little harder and items take longer to save up for, making you explore the map more... and really just the omission of the dungeon finder lol

[@ZeranZeran]

Yup, I started a new character on retail last night, and in about 45 mins I was already level 15 and realizing I was just clicking everything in autopilot and not even trying. 0 challenge. Classic wow is better

[@Camps2630]

How is the game now, worth coming back? Only got to level 45 or so then had life stuff going on.

[@destroying8978]

dude i love ur videos man , i got a suggestion you should do like cataclysm vs old world so like pre-cata vs cata and like revamps on the world etc.

[@silenciummortum2193]

Destroying Like why not like do a video like on it? You like know what I like mean? Love your comment dude bro like really I do.

[@midqualitygaming3498]

On the subject of heirlooms in classic, have you tried [Skinning Knife] Enchanted with +30 Spell Power yet?

[@tlking7488]

Or just green wands dude up to your lvl range

[@zedekiahjeffery888]

Don't forget white boots with minor speed

[@tlking7488]

And after lvl 10 just buy boost from mages 😂 never been so easy to level

[@BoyGamer100]

What I still don't get is why no one ever mentions how it is for a new player to play retail WoW first. Many of the same experiences people had in vanilla happen for that player in retail, but they get plenty of quality of life improvements, class balancing, and many more ways to explore and level compared to vanilla. It feels mostly the same for a new player (and imo, the post cata world is far more enticing to explore. I remember seeing large tornadoes and giant shields and just wanting to go find out what it was about. I don't get that with the old world). That's not counting all the extra stuff you can do in the game now, which is a lot more content for new players to indulge in. I spent the past few years trying to figure out why people enjoy this version so much, and honestly, it's almost all nostalgia. Most of the issues that are in current are the same type of issues present in classic, just in different ways. The new players to WoW playing classic that enjoy it, enjoy the social experience the game literally forces, which brings me to the only thing vanilla does differently, the social aspect. It forces social interaction instead of making it more optional like in retail. Which as a solo player, I hate. I don't get the same reward feeling for going through tedious, frustrating stuff vanilla presents me with too. PvE content is trivial, and even getting a legendary weapon is underwhelming to me, as it's not actually much more powerful than your previous weapons (often times being replaced by epics and sometimes rares). Nothing matters in the game, because players don't value the stuff like they did when it was released. If people did, the game would be far more enjoyable (it says a lot when R14 players just get insulted from doing the rank grind now compared to before). TL;DR: The game hasn't changed as much as people think, the player base is what changed a lot. New players will have similar experiences regardless of what version they play.

[@General_Snus_]

I was completely new to the game a couple of months ago and started playing classic. I can't play retail when i tried it a couple of weeks ago cause of how unrewarding it feels. I like that grind of achieving something you worked hard for. I mean, mount level 20 in retail. It just feels so basic to me

[@petrkulhavy6246]

Big part of my amazing experience in classic was the fact you had to walk to lvl 40 before you could get a mount and even then 90% people didnt had money for a mount at 40 it was an epic moment when you finally got him

[@glennclapp2537]

This. I still remember when I started playing WOW. (I bought a hard copy game the day it came out on a macbook with 1Gb of ram). I played all the way to my freshman year of college and when I finally got a tiger mount it was such a sense of accomplishment. I had to team up with strangers and run dungeons to get a pair of daggers that finally let me complete some of the quests at my level. I just booted the game up for the first time over the past few days... I had 3 mounts, All the areas scale with my level. There's no sense of danger in the world like I might stumble into a hostile area and be killed. All the weapons and armor on the auction house are basically the same thing with different skins... no meaningful stat differences, no competitive edge. There's nothing to pick and go "This is what I need to work toward." It feels like a luke-warm nothing burger of a game now.

[@petrkulhavy6246]

@@glennclapp2537 yup they made it so a 3 year old can play it now unfortunately

[@YuyaD139]

I had fun just by giving a free ride to new players on my mamut 🤣🤣

[@Knife1437]

After playing classic, there are plenty of quests. I think it genuinely comes from the idea that people thought quest hand in values changed depending on colour. Most people dropped cause they out lvl'd their quests. Most didn't know until many expansions down the road about that small detail.

[@thatkindofguy234]

They just need to make wow 2 now or something like that, imagine a completely new game, new graphics, mechanics, new engine, new map, it’d bring that new feeling back

[@bluefate2159]

and get bored in a month xD

[@xblowsmokex]

Yeah this is true. I feel like releasing classic wow was an easy way out, but we were all begging for it.

[@bobbymoneykotick5682]

A mix of a game like this: Classic lvl grind Retail graphics/phsyics Retail mounts like 1000+ Mounts for grinding Retail raids but just for classic PvP Classic Classic gold, like 5000g is rich and not 1500000000g Classic Numbers/ like damage etc. Retail is just toooo much like with those 12 Million hp and dealing 1177227272dmg no one can chill with that number

[@hyaril4405]

in my opinion, classic is wow and retail is like wow 2 or something, personally i dont play retail anymore and i dislike everything about retail, but since classic is here im playing all day since it release and i hope they wont release bc or wotlk classic cuz u know vanilla is much better than both of them, and thats my opinion

[@bobbymoneykotick5682]

@@hyaril4405 wotlk is the best Addon ever

[@titiung]

@@bobbymoneykotick5682 They should really stop at Wotlk classic, anything after it is trash.

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

PVP Classic? Fucking pepega

[@chadgerman3987]

when you kill your very first enemy in classic and get a couple copper but also a mail chest piece with 36 armor that you cant use because of your class. I don't even have a 36 armor item in retail yet.

[@crowyn1644]

I think the Part with aggro on Onyxia is not true, we go full dmg with Rogues ect after like 10seconds and it works

[@AP-qc9hi]

I am a returning player after 10 years off (stopped at Lich King), when I had our first child. My oldest is 11 now and I subscribed her and my 7 yo son just this past 2 weeks. Within a 10 day period we are all level 80. My most memorable day in classic wow back in 2004 was the 40 minute walk my wife and I had to make from Darnassus to Ironforge. My favourite zone, like many, was and apparently still is, Howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills. The only issue is, we level up so fast that we outlevel these zones before it gets to simmer in my mind. To the point I would avoid resting at inns to slow my leveling up process. Sometime over the next few days, I will hit a zone I have never been to before, either Cata or Pandaria. Looking fwd to it.

[@AP-qc9hi]

@ill bill Retail. One thing i am feeling is that the leveling is so fast that i feel disconnected from the stories in each zone. I am still in the first area of the first zone of pandaria and already halfway to 90. Same with lich king. 1/3 of the way through the first zone howling fjord and i hit 80. This can't be immersive to new players. I have friends at 120 so i am plowing on but if i was a new player i probably would have stopped. The world is there only to serve the leveling process, nothing else. Perhaps blizz needs to have different leveling speeds for new players and alts.

[@AP-qc9hi]

@ill bill I know what you mean haha. My old acc is locked behind an authenticator installed in an old dead phone. Have messaged blizz 3x to get the auth removed but have yet to recv a reply.

[@zerus9630]

I started playing during Cata and really enjoyed WoW despite what the majority thought of the expansion. Over the years the game has changed alot, but now playing classic I finally understand some game design choices that now fade in the backround of retail. For example: class trainers, dungeon summoning stones, weapon skills, and first aid.

[@nakki123]

I mostly like gear design in Classic. Good gear is rare and when you get upgrade you really feel it. Also the outside world is far superior to retail.

[@ps5056]

Lmao at you. Itemization was the worst in classic even the devs didn't know wtf they were doing.

[@nakki123]

@@ps5056 Laugh all you want but i happen to like classic gear. Also seems to me that devs still dont know wtf to do with items in bfa. They seem to change the system every patch.

[@pcgameboy8407]

@@nakki123 There is more to see, and do in retail, and better visuals.. Not sure how classic has better world, when retail has it and more.

[@nakki123]

@@pcgameboy8407 In retail all activity is locked in few new zones that xpac has and rest of the world is unused. When you have something to do in old world you jump around with portals and hardly see the world.

[@pcgameboy8407]

@@nakki123 You have multiple worlds through the expansions to see... They dont exist on Classic was my point.

[@Link5020]

Classic is the RPG part of the World of Warcrafts MMORPG tag..

[@Booley95]

The best thing about Classic to me is that everything is a challenge, even mobs and monsters in the open world can be tough. So when you get or find an item with that extra bit of Stamina or hit rating you were excited! Or when your talents gave you something sweet like a dmg cooldown of increased suvivability. Everything is an adventure, from quests to professions.

[@Robin...222]

raids aint a challenge wtf you smoking? Whole classic isnt a challenge, its just time consuming. This classic version is a waterd down version of vanilla.

[@Insan3Mach1ne]

@@Robin...222 true wow classic is a marathon thats it

[@gianniboy101]

lol a challenge tf you smoking dude mages pulling whole dungeons clearing raids in green gear picking up flowers. k buddy what a challenge

[@darrylmogg6967]

I didn't think anyone enjoyed bfa as much as previous expansions? I think we all have our favourite xpac or version of the game. Bfa is the worst for me I was excited going in like the leveling hot excited about allied races I could unlock then played it the story started to push me away and some endgame content got boring fast

[@hentaimage95]

You are very bad if classic is a challenge for, it's so easy onyxia has been killed by 3 players and bosses go down in less than a minute.

[@jthompson6189]

I have played retail to most levels of end-game, but have been playing classic for the past few months. Having done all the end-game content in classic now, I can easily say classic is a better overall experience. It really boils down to I feel more rewarded playing classic, each levels means more, each gear upgrade is more meaningful and in a lot of cases can last a very long time. Even simple things like picking a herb is more valuable, because gold and items are more within your reach. Retail, everything is thrown away as fast it comes, levels fly at you, gear is showered upon you.

[@paytondelaney8316]

One way they can fix questing in retail is that they should double the amount of xp than dung. Where as dung would be more convenient and more loot.

[@Blazingwheel]

Ever since the change in WoD with the character models, I can't stand retail, the models in retail just look over cartoonish like kid friendly. Classic models left more to the imagination and has meaner looking character models.

[@codyray3344]

there is an in game option to make all the character look like their classic models.

[@kaizouttv]

Cody Ray no there isn’t

[@codyray3344]

@@kaizouttv, i looked it up, apparently they removed it in Legion. but the the ability did exist up until WoD.

[@paulswabek173]

Also the threat fights I think are fun. Now says you dont have to even worry about pulling threat, its literally impossible. Like it's so boring knowing you can go all out without the boss giving a care. With threat fights you have strategy involved with who pushes and who is focusing dispels or learning to control you damage to aggro ratio. Retail has no risk besides just mechanics which all end up being robotically replicated everytime you run that raid. With threat you have to communicate and it can be different every raid because of plugged players or new gear.

[@paulswabek173]

Now a days**

[@johaneriksandberg]

Snarler was a wolf, I think he had 100base resistance to all schools of magic right after taming.

[@86Corvus]

Paying for spells is obviously the better, more satisfying way to acquire them.

[@Zippyshock]

Just a heads up I level faster Questing then Dungeon grinding and I played a priest. So dungeon a chose or you hate questing I know I do that why I only lasted a week in classic to slow and boring.

[@raguru1032]

It’s quicker to quest than spam dungeons to level in retail since they changed it quite a few months ago.

[@lotropug2320]

Sadly, questing in retail is so fucking easy and boring.

[@scurrx]

LOTRO VIDZ yeah because the real game starts at the latest xpac where it then progresses to raiding/arena

[@lotropug2320]

@@scurrx Mythic is challenging but questing in BFA is definitely not.

[@juhomantynen4638]

Shadowlands fixes that fortunately. I'm actually excited to level new toons when you can choose a few zones where to level in-depth for the whole 50 levels. For example I've never leveled through Decolace or Burning Steppes and I'd like to know about the questlines and the lore but right now there's no real incentive to do so. Even in Classic those zones have avoided me because there are other more interesting zones at their respective levels.

[@scurrx]

@@lotropug2320 Well if you just hit lvl 120 it kinda fucking hard to do heroics

[@leroyjenkins9649]

It seems like you’re going off ppl words then actually diving deep. Example ony phase 1 mage can use more than wand example frostbolt 4 saves mana low tps. Viable/optimal all classes are viable. More theory crafted is need on hybrids. Example Paladin tank with pole arm from brd the fire shield 15 secs stacks 1 for 1 sp dmg. Meaning you drop consecration, proc depends on gear 35% to 50% after proc sword and board. Repeat. Paladin tank would estimated do 600+ dps on single target. Aoe up to 10k dps. Best tank for taunt immune targets and aoe tanking would be Paladin if played/built currently. Next retail you can one shot ppl in PvP with corruption procs. Vanilla PvP in my opinion is player’s choice. You want more dmg(you’re weaker at defs), you want more defs(weaker at dmg), and whatever as in like controlling the fight. Example a mage. You can use the ony head trinket gives parry fire resistance, and av rep trinket gives dodge/frost both give 12 hp per 5 sec. If you have full T2 switch in wands with stats/resistance, cloak, neck. You can get about 10parry, 15%dodge, 24 hp per 5sec, resistance 50+. You can even remove T2 and go full on defs 150+ resist. Go from there. You can do more than what you believe is possible.

[@pogolas]

I hadn’t played past WotLK. Played Classic for 9 months, and vastly enjoyed it. Today I played retail (I suppose it’s retail although I don’t have the expansions) with a friend. They made levelling and questing so easy, that I almost fell asleep (it was late). And I too hate the talent tree removal. It is so boring. I remember anticipating the next skill or talent point in Classic. On a positive note, the allied races look great. Alliance side at last can be badass looking. And the models are improved. Retail, is the MMO version of new generation. Easy and cheesy. Only the the destination matters. A teleport for everything. Agree with the author, about grinding in Classic. Completing all the quests in a zone, was not enough, to go to the next level zone and you had to grind. And feels meaningless as a story.

[@sdewey4152]

Meh classic is closer to TBC than classic (1.12.0 clearing MC and BWL? that's like clearing Karazhan when Sunwell is out...)

[@billytheweasel]

I play it to see what the devs came up with now. Exploring via quests and chasing gear that way is more fun than raiding now. As I get older I have no time for angry young men. I hated walking, glad to get riding... and flying was so cool.

[@stemina32]

If you expect to finish a zone from A to Z in one go and not explore the world then Classic is not for you. Have you ever wondered why there wer emultiple zones for your lvl ? thats why :D

[@PrsnllJebus]

We have a LOT of feral druids and ret Prot pallies raiding with us very successfully.

[@Rednazm]

It's not that they are not viable, but compared to other classes they fall pretty far behind.

[@matthewosterman9030]

Who tf cares about being more viable they ARE viable is the thing

[@FUgays1]

I disagree with "you can only play one spec" about classic. Sure one spec is always going to be the most optimal, but thats just always going to be the case. We have a druid tank, an enhancement shammy and a bunch of other off-specs in our guild. I raided as surival hunter for some time just for fun, and we had aoe spec mages. Cleared everything and got nefarian down first week without consumes. You just have to not be an idiot and stand in the fire and you will probably be fine.

[@aleksadmitrovic6347]

Stop lying people, no1 wants more then one enha, or more then one ret paladin,that means you can't enjoy your class as fury warrior will enjoy, so don't listen to this guys that said to you that you play every spec, you can, but you will get spot in the raid every 3 weeks. There is no balance in classic.

[@FUgays1]

@@aleksadmitrovic6347 lol ofc you can't have all of your dps as enhancement shammies. Nobody said that. Just like you don't want all of your healers to be resto shammies. Tryhard min maxers who want only optimal specs are ruining the game for everyone. Shame on you.

[@ventu7907]

Atanas Yurukov survival hunter is the best raiding spec for high gear lol you are not special

[@darrylmogg6967]

1 thing I kinda dislike in classic is the time it takes to level a character, I get alot may enjoy it but personally it kinda becomes tedius unless you constantly have a group of friends to level with

[@darrylmogg6967]

Kinda wish classic got a 100% xo boost this month also :P

[@markxv2267]

Go back to ez mode retail pls

[@inmysoul7]

Ah yeah everything has to be fast nowadays.

[@darrylmogg6967]

Like I said it's better with friends but when you have none it's boring as all hell,just because it's slow doesn't make it difficult the best part for any mmo is endgame for me

[@newtondamon]

@@markxv2267 being slower does not mean taking more skill or being better

[@codyray3344]

one thing i noticed about this video is that MetaGoblin does not seem to like many of the RPG elements of the game. like "paying for your abilities" they are "Class Trainers" they are training you to be able to use that ability it wouldn't make sense to not have to pay for them. then there is pop class balancing, classes should not be totally balanced, in vanilla it was rock paper scissors kind of combat style in that some classes were really good against one class but really weak against another. there with arena, was that it wasn't the right environment to show this off and only a few class/specs could flourish. Arena or more specifically putting emphasis in arena was a mistake for the game. as for certain specialization not being viable in raids, i agree that this sucked and should have been done differently but i also understand it. the idea was that classes that could ONLY be one role should be better at that role than classes who could be multiple roles, though some classes like affliction warlocks were not viable do to technological restrictions. the other class/specs on the other hand weren't viable purely do to bad design (in my opinion) like elemental shamans and balance druids, who were unplayable do to lack of mana sustainability, ret paladins were destroyed just before launch (in beta they had the same problem as Ele Shamans and Balance druids in that they had no mana sustainability and had major revisions at the last moment) and enhancement shamans who's DPS was to reliant on RNG, feral druid DPS was alright, but they weren't as good as rogues who were a dime a dozen. A lot of these issues however, were fixed in TBC.

[@MultiPizzapizza]

Hate to break it to people but most people that play WOW are casual players and the current state of WOW retail is perfect for them. I played Vanilla hardcore and would never never play that time sink again...you couldn’t pay me to play it. Besides, TBC was far superior than Vanilla. I am casual and I love retail...and I approve this message :-)

[@andersohlund7317]

I don't think anyone plays classic hardcore because it's too easy to consider hardcore. People literally cleared raids without being max level, that's pathetic for this 'difficulty' the game is supposed to have. Retail is a cakewalk until you get to endgame, i'm not afraid to admit that, leveling in classic is much more time-consuming than retail, which is fine. But retail mythic dungeons provide more of a challenge than any raid classic has atm. Hopefully TBC will be different with the introduction of heroics, but we'll see if min-maxing kills TBC too.

[@MultiPizzapizza]

Anders Öhlund Yea agreed. TBC at least introduced heroic which is nice. However, I am a PVP’er at heart so arena was my jam! I was so fucking decked out in season 1 and 2 that me and my guild would go just wreck people! Good times! TBC for the win!!!

[@aaronunterseher1627]

The un balance in arena in bc was what made it fun... You knew you had to set your team up right to counter as much as you could... It created strategy... Mages new a hunter would reck them... But hunters could get recked by resto druids souly based on there survivability... That's what made it fun anyway... The stuff you could do with the talent system was insane and fun.. Tanking rogue... Yeah that was a thing a rogue with 98% dodge chance and cheat death could tank several bosses... Warlocks could tank caster bosses... Every tank class had a specific roll to fill... A druid couldn't tank it all, a pally couldn't tank it all and a warrior couldn't tank it all... Every class had a purpose and made them desirable... The new system with everything balanced you could literally have 3 or 4 classes only for an entire raid and succeed... Doing pvps every person you come up against there is no risk of consiquence because its so balanced... That's wrong... It was fun knowing that you needed help fighting one type of class because of your own class... It was fun helping other classes fight what they struggled with.... Having everything decided for you destroyed the game... Gear checking, specing, class, race, ranks.. That's what made it fun. The classic honor system could have easily been made better with some revisions to the brackets and how to obtain the gear... Hardcore player will get it first... Less hardcore will take longer... That's how it should be.. World pvping needs to be a thing... some zones should be contested and perks should be given for owning it... Making players want to go and get them... World buffs, faction taxing there AH something anything... World bosses coming to attack cities (scheduled so lower players don't get affected as badly)... Things that are consequences to your server... Not cross server BS...

[@trillytrill1852]

Critiques sound like shit wasn’t handed to you easy in vanilla

[@georgeantoniadis7042]

Nothing can come close to the challenge of m+ keys and arenas ...Small groups pushing gear/classes/skills to their limit. Classic is awesome if you wanna chill tho. Doing quests and grinding is surprisingly calming.

[@richardstrage3682]

the same thing is happening in classic as guilds are pushing raids as fast as they can and pushing their classes and skills to the limit. for example MC is down below 30min atm and speedrunning is where the challenge is at in classic.

[@nikolagvozdenovic940]

@@richardstrage3682 You can't even compare it. Yes you can try to do your raid as fast as possible but for example mythic plus can be not even doable like +26 atm, so doing fast does not mean you are pushing it at all.

[@richardstrage3682]

@@nikolagvozdenovic940 its just a number increase the higher you come. And comparable you could say that under a specific timer is not possible to do. Dont really see why retail is more interesting because of a number increase in mobhealth and dmg.

[@richardstrage3682]

And as ts said but the opposite, retail is good if u wanna chill. Do some quests for gold/gametime. Some lfr and heroics without even having to communicate. Doing the raid speedruns in classic is where the challenge is at. As you see its just a matter of opinion. No game really is harder or easier. I will take it as fact that one game is harder when a person who has done speedruns in naxx and done mythic progression decides to weigh in. I have so far done mythic progression but i havent done speedruns in naxx.

[@nikolagvozdenovic940]

@@richardstrage3682 If you think classic speed runs are even close in difficulty as mythic raids you never touched mythic raiding in your life.

[@angelbird538]

I appreciate the Neutrality on on the subject. I feel like most of the "Changes" have been Quality of life changes. No one wants to spend 300 Hours leveling up a character they might touch once a week. That is all you ever had to do to level up in WoW. Instant Queue Tank, and Mow mobs down in a Dungeon. Its more efficient then Questing, Takes less time, drops better gear, and lets be honest, I am tired of killing Generic Big Felines and Canines. One would think I have single handedly Extinct the entire fucking Genus species from the record book. Same goes with the Population of Undeads. Point is, I'd rather bite the bullet and get it done then grind a billion mobs. Ye, I heard Vanilla was full of annoying crap and that is why I decided not to ply Classic. I don't do Dailies in WoW I am not going to spend 7 hours grinding for world buffs, Farming gold, resistance gear.. That one is not me. I feel like challenge is a bit more Subjective. Look at the response to Cataclysm nd Cataclysms "Challenge" Blizzard having to go back and Nerf everything Derailed the whole expansion. I agree Raiding is a lot better now. We actually have Mechanics and Hazards we need to be mindful of. I do miss the old Talent System. It was kind of Basic but, I liked how it had "Trap Talents" Talents that, At its core seemed really good but, didn't Mesh well with other better Talents, or even your Rotation. Spec Unviability is something that still happens to this day. Even if its not completely unviable, Your guild will force you to play the spec that does 60 more DPS then that other Spec. Questing as a healer is literally the worst thing ever. You have to have a friend or you will get annoyed, and Alt F4. I don't think Elemental Shamans have ever been good.. At least it was overshadowed by Enhancement. I doubt AV was any better then it is now. PvP hasn't changed. Its still Dependent on gear, I doubt capturing FogDeep Mind would turn the tide of a Full BiS 40 player well balanced Alliance Side When the horde faction are Fresh 60's mostly in greens but like 2 blues. It simply doesn't happen. Its an Honor farm at that point. I agree present day PvP is Better but, its still Heavily dependent on Gear. Skill is out the window if the gear is Equal except for the other person has a better ring. That "Ring" is causing him to hit you for 8K more damage then you are hitting him for. I feel like "More unique pets" Is like a reverse META argument, where you didn't like how some specs were unviable but, Its ok for Some pets to be better then others. Ether you're ok with META Lording or you're not. (Unique appearances are fine, Forcing hunters to use a Specific Pet over another is not) I agree the Team that does the Cinematics are Great but, the lore just keeps getting worse and worse..

[@jamesrenshaw71]

5% QoL improvements sure, but at the cost of 95% ruining the game. It was trusted to the wrong people and put in the wrong hands. The only thing about retail after WoD that didn't become awful was the art direction, and maybe most of the raiding content itself.

[@darrylmogg6967]

I do love the armor sets of the game after classic especially for Hunter I dislike the Hunter sets in classic except maybe naxx

[@joser4232]

Imo classes shouldn't be balanced to all other classes. Its an rpg an mmo. It makes you group up with others that have what your class needs and yo counter other classes. That's a real rpg. Mmo isn't a solo 1 player game. You need and should group up. Or just play a different game that's 1 player. 1 character that conquers all.

[@xande59o]

Mejor dicho imposible

[@NeinnLive]

Someone who tells that arena made pvp balanced... too funny. xD

[@RenierCronje]

It’s all about the content. The trouble with WOW is that most of the content consists of tasks like ‘kill 10 - 20 of X’, ‘Collect 20 of Y’ where the drop rate of Y is a mere 0.5%, ‘Kill Z the Boss’ and, if you’re lucky, ‘kill the rare when he is alive’. Swap X, Y, and Z for crocodiles, slugs, elementals, bears, toxic bears, infested bears, and so on. BORING! It’s no wonder people don’t bother reading quests anymore and just speed through levelling. Then there are the dumb mobs that just stand there waiting to be killed. I’ve played games where you had to lure two guards around the corner, quietly take them out, and hide their bodies because if you don’t, the whole base goes on high alert and hunts you down. Your only escape is to run to your ship or swim underwater, as the entire zone is now on red alert, searching for you. You end up running for kilometres because that whole area is hunting you down. That’s the kind of content I want.

[@beliq7043]

Retail has had a revamp in scaling during leveling for about 2 years now. Heirloom don't provide the same player power they used to, so there's no "one shotting everything" anymore. This has resulted in dungeons being not near the same experience production as it used to be. Yes, you can just sit in Org and queue for dungeons and climb to max level, but it's not near as efficient (questing is often faster unless you have a dedicated dungeon group). But this can be done in Classic too, hell you can buy boosts and literally AFK from 10-60 if you have the coin. At least in retail dungeon finder, you have to push *some* buttons other than open trade.

[@vindexintegrale4708]

I like those arguments: "You only spam dungeon finder to lvl up in retail. Or even worse, you boost your char for money! In classic we have true adventure!" - yeah, and meanwhile 90% of ppl just grind ZF/Mara/SM or simply buy mage boosts. But seriously, if you want to explore game world, do some chilling dungeons/raids and have fun during exp, then pick classic. If you're oriented towards engame pvp (arenas, bg) or pve (mythics raids, m+), then choose BfA.

[@imCXS-zh2yt]

Anyone remember buying ammo prior to a raid

[@pogolas]

FORGETTING to buy ammo. Or reagents for buffs and rez.

[@daniel8728]

Essentially he’s saying anything but pushing pew pew buttons is boring

[@parabel5437]

using spine of dw as an example of cooler raiding is a little bit off m8 :D

[@caffemocca8855]

WotLK is the most balanced for me. I'm talking about PvP. Not all classes are balanced for dueling and arena but it was overall the best experience for me. Probably biased as hell since I played spriest. Hated it so much after Devouring Plague was no longer "free" and I left.

[@caffemocca8855]

Also, I do have a love hate relationship with flying mount in Azeroth since Cata. One one hand it's very convenient but....it also removes tons of traveling aspects that was fun like the zeppelins, train from SW to IF, etc. Also, I HATE it when people are like swarming the cities with their big ass flying mounts. It's too crowded. Raiding opposite factions also doesn't feet that dangerous anymore since you can just fly. Back then you couldn't just go in and out of enemy city so easily.

[@davidbanterford3216]

My 2cents. Dungeons. Classic has non linnear dungeons which let you approach them in multiple ways like brd or LBRS. Retail every dungeons is a linnear 20-40minute exp token. Classes. Classic classes meant something. A mage did mage stuff a rogue did rogue stuf. Retail every class does everything. Rogues do aoe and selfheal. Warriors selfheal. Every tank has taunt and is just as good basically at all aspects of tanking. Casters don't even use mana. Its a joke. Gear. You care about getting gear in classic. Its organic and you get great gear from all over the place. 5mans, crafting, raids, pvp. Retail wow every bit of gear is just a piece of item level on a stick for the most part. And as soon as a new raid tear rolls around it becomes totally worthless and all your hard work is made pointless. Lore. subjective but i prefer classic lore to BFA. BFA is written like a Spanish telenovella with the bullshit drama and feuds between faction leaders.

[@-Mardos]

@O K 😂 Dude stop

[@jackmastrogiacomo7975]

@O k he said every tank has a taunt you stupid fuck

[@jackmastrogiacomo7975]

O K mages and rogues aren’t tanks fuckhead

[@scurrx]

O K but rogue tanks are just not good at all they are legit troll picks

[@xande59o]

Tu comentario se merece 1000 likes, expusiste casi todos los aspectos que hacen classic genial y divertido y muy por encima de retail.

[@andremendes2551]

Naax was not at all hard, ever, people were just clueless back then, just watch the Nihilum world first and watcht their fights, they played terribly compared to the average retail player nowadays.

[@herantd]

After leveling a couple of 60s on classic i do appreciate face-roll leveling on retail

[@robertAnthonyColon]

Yeah have a fresh 120 and run into those N’Zoth priests. Those fucks will literally delete you.

[@Poisontooth]

I wish classic WoW had the updated character models and transmog. I think I’ve been spoiled by transmog on retail.

[@zachleonard8830]

How do you still only have 40k subs man? Keep up the good work man, you were born for this :D

[@Bossbabyy99]

"question was quicker in vanilla than dungeons" I don't think that's accurate at all.

[@oDaRRaGhx]

It is if you find it hard to find groups... btw I like that theres no dungeon finder.

[@raguru1032]

Luke Darragh being that people literally spammed dungeons from Scarlet onwards I beg to differ.

[@Isdezenaambezet]

I think classic has disproven many of the "positive" aspects of the game back in the day. While leveling was definetly more of an adventure i would hardly call it challenging, it simply takes a shitload of time and patience, you will die a lot, you will need to wait to pull, you need to eat/drink/bandage. I think the greatest thing about vanilla was the need to group up for people and the novelty of the game itself. Both have been somewhat successfully recreated in classic, since it's been so long since the world was revamped that most people have forgotten all about the old quests.

[@Vakarispk]

"While leveling was definetly more of an adventure i would hardly call it challenging, it simply takes a shitload of time and patience, you will die a lot," if it's not more challenging than what were you dying from? :D The fact that it was more challenging meant that you'd need to do extra, like be careful not to pull to many mobs, craft/buy potions or group with friends. In a way game forced you to do a bit of extra, that adds to the experience.

[@mattjek2261]

Everything about classic is better, Classic doubled subs for a reason. I would argue classic might even have a more active community.

[@tgs5725]

Retail has a MUCH better end game. While classic had a wayyy better leveling experience. I HATE leveling in retail wow, its so insanely boring. The challenge in classic makes leveling kind of fun.

[@xande59o]

X2

[@xadamx94]

to me i love classic a lot more because every gear i get in raids is a clear upgrade for me, whereas in retail, it could be a big upgrade in every way, but because it doesn't have the right corruption, i shouldn't use it

[@darkzero226]

The scenario you've written up here is flawed. If an item is an upgrade and you don't have corruption in that slot, why wouldn't you use it? An upgrade is still an upgrade, corruption or not.

[@darrylmogg6967]

I felt this with azerite gear is get a new gear with a few more stats but the wrong traits in it and the trait outweighs the stats

[@mgks2784]

I started WoW at Classic launch and really enjoyed Classic but when I reached 60 and cleared MC and Ony there was nothing else to do except grind BiS (which is better than corruption). I switched to retail to give it a go since my friends were actively playing the game, yes the leveling was very easy but they made the decision to not have leveling as the main content of the game which is 100% better than grind your ass for days of playtime to reach 60 and raid log every week. The end game content is actually there grinding m+ for the challenge of doing high keys pushing heroic then mythic as a guild is so much better than just doing the same easy raid every week, also trash clear doesn’t feel like a pain in the ass because raid compensate the duration by making longer/ harder fights with mechanics and so trash packs are trash packs not annoying shit wasting time. I will 100% admit that the social aspect of Classic is so much better than retail if you don’t have a very active guild but retail with a great guild is almost as good as Classic socializing

[@juhomantynen4638]

Wiping at Broodlord in BWL is the most annoying shit ever. The mobs in suppression rooms respawn very quickly and you just waste another 15+ minutes clearing trash. I heard it only goes worse in AQ. That's the one thing I'd change in Classic raiding, otherwise it's pretty epic.

[@mattjek2261]

@@juhomantynen4638 or get good? If you wipe on BWL idk what to tell you find a new guild Lol.

[@mattjek2261]

and retail is no where near classic socializing Lol, retail had 1.7 subs than classic came out now there over 3 Million. You farm gold, Level Alts, Set personal goals, Help Friends, Do boosts, learn boosts, farm mounts, farm pvp. Theres tons of stuff to do in classic you're not given a board that tells you what to do.

[@GH-gt7ub]

Max level content has been terrible since Legion

[@agm_99]

The problem for me is that it takes too long to do everything in Classic. From killing mobs to doing quests to walking to every single destination. Oh and walking back to my corpse constantly. I understand why people like it but it just doesn’t work for me. Oh well, to each his own.

[@THEPunisher1255]

for me I like wow when it was a few expansions in. i didn't play as far back as classic. I just remember being motivated.

[@t.ydunston2251]

All these people saying classic better h they play it like retail....since “classic” has come out how many people actually read quest? I bet less then 5% of the players. They do what’s in retail. Hurry and get to the end game. Then bash retail after legit doing the same tactics.

[@martinfischer9724]

Retail ppl dont understand that in classic your mouse curser (take it its your first char) is as much of an adventure as your moving character... all thoose little huts and shiit holds items or secrets og even lore. rewards! WORLD og warcraft... not instance of warcraft

[@NeguraGhost]

that only stands true for playing classic the first time.. most ppl in classic you questie and noone exploring shit, they just wanna be fast 60 and raid. do everyone a favor and quit lying to yourself. I played both and retail is just from neutral perspective the better game. Vanilla will die out in the next years ;)

[@martinfischer9724]

@@NeguraGhost Retail is not wow end of discussion

[@andersohlund7317]

@@martinfischer9724 Vanilla is good, classic is not. Classic is only good if you play it how it's meant to be played, people preached about how amazing the world was then when classic came along they spammed scarlet mon. and zul'farakk to level. Min-maxing is completely against what everybody preached vanilla was all about

[@martinfischer9724]

@@andersohlund7317 You are so right! and i play it the right way.

[@darkzero226]

It's...really not like that at all, lol. To act like it's not like that in the modern game is disingenuous, too.

[@arisuaozora]

Tbh... cata came and everything f up since

[@somethingsomething8511]

Retail is too easy, classic made pulling an extra mob terrifying which made it rewarding to make it through

[@richardstrage3682]

Guides arent always right, there is not just one specc available. for example. u can parse as high as a survival hunter as a you can marksman if you build right. but there are no real guides out.

[@saborivaille1258]

I was told retail doesn’t have open world pvp. You have to toggle yourself.... really???

[@klocka88]

Yeah, it's pretty nice

[@georgeantoniadis7042]

Everyday it's a massacre over a rare 😂 ...

[@zsomborsteiner7066]

Dude dont be a classic boomer. Classic also has pve servers for ppl who dont want to get ganked 24/7. And also being able to toggle pvp is a more convenient way of playing since you are given the option

[@saborivaille1258]

I only play the game to kill other players. Pve servers mean nothing to me

[@catag3866]

@@saborivaille1258 that's my man

[@mmocracy]

That Retail hot bar... its what... 8 buttons? I've been playing classic heavily for the last 4 months and seeing that is just shocking

[@anstik2689]

Lol and you only press one or 2 buttons on classic

[@mmocracy]

@@anstik2689 depends on the situation. my hunter hotbar is absolutely full especially when DM farming I have keybinds coming out my ears

[@robertAnthonyColon]

splendidoyster1 farming? Lmao

[@robertAnthonyColon]

splendidoyster1 you are living proof you never played retail lol. Spam those two buttons son

[@mattjek2261]

@@robertAnthonyColon What? I have a 120 warlock I spam a 4 button rotation.. My warrior on classic requires more.

[@ColCoal]

I am tired of this myth that in classic only 1 spec is viable per class. It is just not true. Each class has atleast one viable role, but the way you fill that roll is much more diverse then retail. Warrior- 2 handed fury, one handed fury, duel wield tank, deep prot, Shout prot Pally - pure holy, sanc spec, kings spec, might spec Mage - deep frost, Arcane frost, glacial frost, deep fire, scortch fire Priest- hot n sheild, standard heal, Power infusion disc, shadow Warlock - imp buff, pure shadow Rogue - Sword spec, Dagger spec Druid(all the choices are sub-par) - resto, Bear, moonkin

[@hentaimage95]

I lolled

[@Reelyreed]

Naxx was difficult for us back when WoW released. It is in noooooo way the most difficult raid ever released unless you only raid LFR. Mythic raids this expansion expected far more class stacking and pushed the players to extremely high wipe counts.

[@andersohlund7317]

Naxx will probably get cleared within the day it's released just because of the fact that it's such old news and people know everything they need to about it. Emulation ruined the re-release of classic

[@decimater75]

I think he specifically used the term difficult because it was the least seen content ever in WoW. He even says immediately after he says that that it was “due to scaling and mathematical reasons”. Calm down.

[@andersohlund7317]

@@decimater75 Calm down for what? I was just replying to the guys comment lmao no need to defend someone when there's no hostility.

[@decimater75]

@@andersohlund7317 The comment was directed at op, not you.

[@Reelyreed]

@@decimater75 Thats not what the word difficult means brother...

[@july5345]

Biggest problem with classic....Nothing to do except raid logging every week, very very boring.

[@inmysoul7]

There is a ton of stuff to do . If you are bored and you only raid is another problem.

[@july5345]

@@inmysoul7 Like what.

[@Klaital1]

@@july5345 Like for example, are you already exalted with every faction? I very much doubt it.

[@july5345]

@@Klaital1 Nice fucking logic. Trying to find myself a reason to play the game doesn't mean it's good fun content.

[@MolmorJS]

@@Klaital1 Lmao. That's like asking if someone has every battle pet at max lvl in retail when someone complains there's nothing to do. No one wants to do that shit

[@aliox326]

Man ur making so many conflicting statements its annoying... cant tell if u want a challangening experience like classic or shitty ez mode retail

[@cruelmellow4182]

WoW classic is too grindy? Laughs in RuneScape.

[@tyrdan4893]

Runescape? Ha ha ha, laughs in Everquest 1999 :D

[@0mr0z0]

@@tyrdan4893 Everquest 1999 lol go check out Silkroad get gud scrub

[@hhhhrekt4356]

92 is halfway to 99

[@fluffywise686]

Classic is flawed but still a fun older style of MMORPG. the fact that it's older n grindy throws some of the newer crowd off. Retail is a rollercoaster of instant gratification that gets dull. there is little substance unless you mythic raid or high end arenas. where is my rpg? There are many fixes that can be implemented in classic to fix a lot of the issues but, let's be honest classic was a cash grab and surprisingly the community prefers classic over retail.

[@robertAnthonyColon]

Nathaniel Wise isn’t classic that game where you can spam one button or auto attack bosses for loot? Or better yet the raids are cleared in 30mins? It’s already proven retails shitty looking for raid is harder then anything classic offers

[@fluffywise686]

@@robertAnthonyColon not about difficulty. it's about a RPG experience mixed with a MMO. you may like getting a bunch of free stuff with a world that bows to your feet for just being high level. the majority of the playerbase wants something different.

[@mattjek2261]

@@fluffywise686 exactly, the brain dead retailers are like But content and raids are harder? Who cares? Its a MMO its not supposed to be instant 120 than ONLY endgame. MMO's want you to explore the world around you and have a somewhat difficult time leveling up. Every time you get a big upgrade you can feel it. Retail is barely a MMO and thats why 11 million people have left. Retail is just a Content/Raid simulator add a couple of mounts to the mount store and throw in a new level of the raid every month and the sheep will be happy.

[@xande59o]

@@mattjek2261 Exacly!!!, you are my classic hero 😊

[@MrEloy441]

Ony knockback wipes 25% threat.. dps freely up to 75% and you're fine.. if you're wanding in P1 your tank/RL sucks.

[@jamesvowles7650]

And what if she does double knockback, as she often does? RIP raid then i guess with ur mentality. Go back to retail

[@MrEloy441]

@@jamesvowles7650 If you let your DPS do their job she's in the air quickly.

[@josehmanyon8473]

Classic is probably the worst expansion. As the player base is soooooo hard-core they get mad if you play something that is off meta or not viable in pve environment. the pimples on their faces explode because they can't stop thinking about what its like to just play a game and enjoy it for what it's ment to be. But rather just turn it into a games done quick/speed run mess, of playing whats good rather than what you have fun with. Wait for tbc or wotlk you'll get less sweaty boomer fucks who care about dumb shit and more people who just wanna play wow and have fun. Not saying the general population of classic is like that,but I can tell you that classic has alot of sweaty fucks. And I can't wait for tbc and wotlk so I can get away from them. Shoutout to my classic pvpers though, they are fuckin cool as fuck.

[@---xm2bo]

Why did i just give this video a view...

[@wisniamw]

Classic>retail - better loot system - better economic - talents - stats (like tons of it, not just agility and strength) - everything at least seems to be helpfull, not just thing you do cuz you need to - massive multiplayer game - hybrids - crafting things is much more enjoyable - actual items with names and sometimes references to lore Retail>classic - all trees are more or less viable - ,,dual spec" - mythic+ - raid mechanics - arenas - rated bg

[@darrylmogg6967]

Oof I do hate what the loot system bacame in retail, I started in cata properly in cataclysm for me that was a good experience until raid finder hit that is

[@hentaimage95]

Add these to retail: arenas, world pvp is better, raids are an actual challenge, rated bg.

[@wisniamw]

@@hentaimage95 raids already included, world pvp is contentious issue, rest added

[@mainossteemit9007]

Vanilla = feeling of accomplishment, Retail = Easy mode

[@andersohlund7317]

Depends if you mean the leveling or raiding, if you're talking about endgame, classic = easy mode (onyxia / MC getting cleared by people who weren't max level) and there's nothing difficult about the dungeons what-so-ever. Retail offers mythic dungeons which are more difficult than any RAID Classic has currently

[@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116]

You get to a end In classic you get to pinacle of your toon. All your spells, BIS, epic mount, questlines (even you dont care about the story you have to read to defeat the mob or track him down) . And gg you "won". In bfa Hope you get drop with the right stats, level and type of corruption, (azerite powers if azerite armor), epic mount dont need of those (besides the looks and rare % most of them are irrelevant) , the questline are a haze if you dont care about the story. You can "Won" but its. A haze a BIG RNG HAZE

[@richardstrage3682]

i want to be able to be done with a toon. thats just not possible in retail. i remember going the dungeon over and over in hope of getting an item warforged. it's useless. in classic atleast the item just needs to drop.

[@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116]

@@richardstrage3682 Yeah its like classic its desing to die Classic: Do this dung 20 times for a BIS and you are done Bfa: Pray to RNG-esus for the item to drop with the Best stats, corruption and with a socket

[@wienwest1072]

21 Anti-Private Server dudes still mad .. Like how ppl tryna deny your opinion, like if youtubers are not allowed to have one or share it in a video. Iternet is a bytch :D

[@ninjahawk6434]

...hope they don't ruin it by adding TBC

[@mattjek2261]

are you dumb? TBC will make it even more popular

[@ninjahawk6434]

@@mattjek2261 Troll Alert! Move on

[@forsakenbanksy1269]

CLASSIC IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE SUPER NOOBS. RETAIL IS TOO TECHNICAL FOR THE NOOB.

[@mrpotatohead321]

Nah just better

[@BUckENbooz]

Change your title to just "Why Classic WoW is Better and Worse Than Retail", leave out that 10 reason shit. Trust me as a fellow content creator, people get triggered and are sensitive over the dumbest shit such as "THIS ISN"T A 10 REASONS WHY COUNTDOWN".

[@martinfischer9724]

I am a classic gamer... I made a warr on retail... killed 15 mobs without eating or barely loosing hp... made it to level 6 and stopped... Thank you for ruining wow kids.

[@Insan3Mach1ne]

yeah i can smell shit here

[@darkzero226]

@@Insan3Mach1ne it's not entirely out of the question, but that's mostly because in the very first few levels, you already have abilities at the start as a Warrior that you can use pretty much as soon as possible as well as spam it (Slam) vs Vanilla, where a Warrior only has Heroic Strike which will rarely see much use just because of how bad generating Rage is at the start. Not to mention, by level 6 you should have Victory Rush, which heals you and really removes any need to have to take a break to eat or anything. So yeah, he's being disingenuous by not mentioning the fact that Warriors have had an ability that helps their leveling since TBC.

[@Freakomamatic]

i can do the same in classic all up til 60 actually, you just need to know how to play the game >.< if you ever leveled a priest or warlock in classic, you would know that you dont ever have to stop eating or drinking.

[@NeguraGhost]

If you reupload a video from 3 years, maybe check for some updates that came in retail, like you nearly can't pull that many mobs. Lowskill player like classic players would need to pull group after group in a dungeon... I'm sick of this vanilla noobs, unskilled lowbobs.

[@989896123]

Your videos are usually great, but you need to prepare a bit more before releasing. I feel like you said alot of Eeehh uhhmmm or "like this like that". It makes the video a little bit hard to listen to in my opinion :-)

[@thomasskrydstrup3724]

only one tank spec being viable? wtf is wrong with u. Every tank spec in the game is viable it might not be optimal but optimal and viable are 2 different things

[@crowmaster9652]

People who disliked are literal retail fans who know their game is in dead water and they downvote videos like these out of sheer emotion no logic. To them I say grow up you will never have your game the way it was and TBC classic will basically forget you

[@ericskoglie]

honestly these classic negative videos are lame.. if you dont like it go back to retail. I liked your videos cuz of how enthusiastic you were and how fun your videos were but lately your videos are all about complaining about classic.

[@JaeyXVI]

Thats because classic isn't nearly as good as people remembered it and people are starting to realize that classic is slow, easy, boring and way too grindy. You're probably still blinded by nostalgia, so youre probably gonna disagree

[@robertAnthonyColon]

ericskoglie dude classic is trash. So bad that hardcore single player mode some streamer made up is more popular then bwl

[@ericskoglie]

Well those are your opinions. I love classic and theres so much to do and achieve. Cant say that for most other games.. atleast this game pulls me in and not wanting me to log off.

[@mattjek2261]

@@JaeyXVI nostalgia Huh ? is that way it made wow subs double? LMAO a 15 year old game made more subs than retail. Thats fucking sad and we are still here playing the game? But nostalgia? why are there still a million people on classic when the nostalgia is over? Brain dead retailers bro LOL

[@benito9635]

"More story & cinematics" is the case of quantity over quality. Nu-WoW story is dogshit, it doesn't matter that it has high quality cinematics alongside it

[@TheKensei777]

i cant hear a word he's saying. british plus whispering lol

[@greenwizard5205]

Retail wow is a evolution compared to classic , forged by years of feedback from players , for today's standards full point'n click game doesn't work anymore the players want more action . Retail has lots of improvements , the major one is not stealing you life , a issue that blizzard probably got some headache in the past , they learned the lesson . There is somenthing we need to realize ... the idea of a alternative life on the virtual world they had in the past doesn't worked very well as they espected , wow classic has this idea on his design that's why it don't work anymore , it's a dated game with few content compared to modern games , you can ask to any serious professional developer from the area , we are now walking in the direction of virtual reality . Today's kids want action+graphics+realism , some kids now can make they own world of warcratf if they want we have acess to lots of information/data .

[@trillytrill1852]

None of this speaks to the quality of the game or experience just how to corner a market

[@greenwizard5205]

@@trillytrill1852 Yea , you call it a game but the developers call it Business .

[@trillytrill1852]

@@greenwizard5205 again has nothing to do with the opinion of whether the game is better or not from a user's perspective/experience

[@greenwizard5205]

@@trillytrill1852 You are really slow on get things don't you ? :)

[@mattjek2261]

@@greenwizard5205 Idk I think you're the slow one. Kids dont play World of Warcraft bud, World of Warcraft was never a fortnite. Wow came out in to rival Everquest another OPEN WORLD MMO, that you had to actually walk around and experience the world. When Vanilla or TBC was out it was RARE to find a 10 year old playing the game it was full of adults. Graphics and Realism is not what kids want. Fortnite Is Not graphical and it is not real. In fact i would make the argument that adults want Graphics and Realism. Either way WOW has NONE of those things.

[@robertAnthonyColon]

Classic so bad they already want the burning crusade legacy lmao!

[@Kjetil523]

I want TBC after im done with aq/naxx yes, but it doesn't mean Classic is bad. Log in and stand in Stormwind on a medium populated server at 7pm on sundays, and then say people are tired of the game. I get 35fps with my 1080ti, i have never seen wow this crowded before.

[@mattjek2261]

Classic is bad yet retail has lost 11 million players and had less players than elder scrolls online before classic came out... Lol Right retail guud

[@QkelleQ]

Literally all your “negative” points about classic are the things that i love about it. Retail is shit, get over it

[@andersohlund7317]

If you like an easy endgame, retail probably isn't for you

[@saborivaille1258]

Anders Öhlund reason to get geared is to kill more ally easily. I hear retail doesn’t even have open world pvp. You need to flag your character first. No contested zones. Is this true? If so that’s fkn lame

[@andersohlund7317]

@@saborivaille1258 You're talking about war mode which is world pvp for rewards. There are still PvP servers which are exactly the same as they are in classic. World PvP exists just as much if not more in retail, and its more actual PvP than ganking.

[@hentaimage95]

@@saborivaille1258 you really didn't research much didn't you? Easier to just get mad. In retail you flag yourself and when you enter a zone you just find there players that are flagged too simulating a pvp server without having the downsides for those that don't like wpvp. It's like you can chose if you want wpvp or not every time you're in a capital

[@thiccnos4759]

This idea that ''classic has a lot of flaws and a lot if improvements have been made since'' doesn't hold true. Sure, vanilla hs flaws, but due to the amount of HORRIBLE features added since, it is disingenous to suggest the game has actually improved in any way. I would much rather take the bad of vanilla over Legion, wod and bfa any day.