10 TERRIBLE WWE Ideas That Thankfully Never Happened

[@StageRight123]

Tajiri said no, because impersonating a member of the Yakuza will get you a rather unpleasant visit from them.

[@NemesisRTCW]

Followed with a visit to a nearby lake, with cement shoes.

[@game_invader179]

Followed by broken knee caps

[@RandyOrtonrulez1000]

@@game_invader179 I think you and the comment above were reversed, it would be broken knee caps, followed by a trip to a nearby lake wearing cement shoes:))!! Lol 😆 😝 😂 🤣 😜 🤪

[@kurtvanderbogarde8402]

Back in the 1960s, The Sicillians, Lou Albano and Tony Altimore, had a visit from the real Mafia asking them to tone down their gimmick.

[@KTEFilmsInc]

Its worked wonders for Sega though

[@KingCanada]

Wow...who would have guessed that Heidenreich getting "up close and personal" with Michael Cole was actually EXTREMELY TAME compared to what we could have gotten?

[@CHAOTIXMaddLass]

I know right?

[@fragolastrawberry5920]

I can only imagine how horrendous that would've been for european viewers XD

[@mikejohn6669]

Michael Cole limps down to the commentary desk. Sits on donut pillow. Ladies and gentlemen we flash back to last week to show you full blown bathroom sodomy. Cole how you feeling?

[@ericpetersen6343]

@@mikejohn6669 b. Alyssam what 0]].%

[@supachef_dmoney_4]

The fact that goofy didn't know Paul Heyman was Jewish is beyond me smh

[@MrRebelMan360]

I cannot believe that the Lock was the bad gimmick used in the WWE2k23 career mode lmao

[@AnthonyBarnes-vt8eu]

was thinking the same thing 🤣 they really said f it it didn’t work irl let’s try in a video game

[@RustyShackleford101]

Hirohito was the Emperor, not just a General.

[@ryansykes859]

Yo my man Rusty i boiled some Mountain Dew for ya, also i left a pack of smokes out for ya

[@HoV326]

And wasn't it Hideki Tojo that was the general?

[@supachef_dmoney_4]

@@HoV326 That is correct sir

[@justinburmeister6316]

I was gonna post the same comment. Glad I saw this one first.

[@michaelbreen7865]

@@HoV326 Not just the general, but also the Prime Minister and Minister of War, among other political and military titles.

[@EmmaBonn96]

I heard about the idea of Heidenreich to be booked as a cryogenically frozen nazi, I didn’t know he was going to be booked with Heyman Noted Jew

[@sweetjoey2]

that must be why mr mcmahon left the room. even he knows they'd get booed and get everybody pissed

[@martinputt6421]

@@sweetjoey2 You know an idea is horrible when even Mcmahon says no it's a step too far

[@RandyOrtonrulez1000]

Not only a Jew, but a Jew who’s mother survived one of the most infamous concentration camps aushwitz birkenau:))!!

[@ddcs0s]

Yeah that whole idea totally didn't have lawsuit written all over it

[@DJDoubleCee]

Vince being the father of Stephanie’s baby?! Now that sounds extremely disturbing. I’m glad that storyline never happened.

[@christhornycroft3686]

But believable. That’s what’s really disturbing about it. The Levesque-McMahons are weirdos.

[@StageRight123]

@@TheDarkVampire666 Yep. That story wasn't an open and shut one immediately after the first rejection.

[@dabs.47]

@@christhornycroft3686 how’s HHH a weirdo?

[@btf_flotsam478]

You mean, it sounds like a WWE storyline?

[@RandyOrtonrulez1000]

@Bo Hill I mean Mark Henry’s whole sexual chocolate thing, the silverback gorilla, and his love affair with an elderly Mae Young which led to Mae giving birth on live tv to a hand, and a decade later the hand is all grown up and shows up on raw, yeah WWE storylines should never be taken seriously, EVER:))!! But with the Stephanie baby storyline I would think Vince was from Alabama or someplace down south, because that is absolutely GROSS 🤢 🤮 😷:))!!

[@joshbetz618]

"So when I was eating fish n chips, while drinking tea, while watching the wwf on the Tele" has got to be the greatest British sentence ever lol. Great video as usual!!

[@GCAbleism158]

I mean none of the things mentioned are British.

[@jeffshirey8768]

Tele! Lol

[@jeffshirey8768]

It's classic.

[@donaldmacauley4571]

@@GCAbleism158 that comment made me do research to find out that you’re ....totally correct! Everyday is a school day

[@everydaydubs1713]

"...as a youngster."

[@jackadams3878]

"vince said it was the stupidest idea he'd ever heard of" a sentence that means nothing when you consider this is the same guy who wanted to run storylines where first he, then her brother, was aurora's father

[@JM1993951]

Whose brother? Aurora’s brother? Or someone not mentioned?

[@Cremig]

Or that sentence means a lot, when you realise what ideas Vincent had ^^

[@Al7249]

Ohhh lol I was like who the fuck is Aurora. I thought he meant Stephanie but yeah I get it now. Should've probably just said Stephanie's daughter lol

[@hiidkwhattoput1116]

The thing this isn’t the first time he pitched an incest angle

[@john-olivierlukama1548]

When you think about it, for a guy who pitched the idea that he slept with her own daughter and was the father of her baby, if Vince of all people is telling you that your idea is stupid, you know there's something wrong with you.

[@moldyhotdog4749]

The Lock could have worked as a one time thing. Christian would definitely be able to pull it off in a situation like he was put in a tag team with the Rock for one night

[@alanguages]

Christian could just have used a bald cap to emphasize it was a joke. Similar to the satire segments from the show.

[@everydaydubs1713]

If that had happened, Captain Charisma would've buried The Great One without even trying. We'd all be here all these years later like "Dwayne who?"

[@TehJew22]

And then in WWE 2K23, The Lock 🔐 became a thing. 😂

[@dylanthebiguy]

Hmmmmmmm the Rock and lock connection 🤔

[@optimus2008]

Well, it worked in a video game.

[@krasskswg]

Hirohito wasn't a "general" in Japan. He was the Emperor during World War II.

[@FozzQuaker]

I also remember hearing something about Vince actually had an idea of selling HHH and Stephs marriage on Pay-Per-View... The man is both an idiot and a genius at the same time...That man could give Psychologists a whole careers worth of work

[@tempestfennac9687]

It may have been worth paying to see it for Michael Hayes' drunken singing. :P

[@nickhalbert3765]

"The Lock" was your character in WWE2K23 lol

[@RichieBhoy11]

Funny how the lock has ended up being the story in the WWE game 😹😹

[@choppatracks8168]

i was looking for this lmao

[@joemomma3208]

How about making a video about 10 terrible ideas that have happened and still are happening!

[@adjuster57]

That would be almost impossible to come up with a top 10. It would be more like a top 200, and the video would be 6 hours long.

[@KDill29]

Joe Mamma, you get around huh? I see you everywhere

[@dougtieman2877]

To be fair. the second attempt of the XFL was less gimmicky and more football focused, therefore more successful. The pandemic ruined that one.

[@goathippo93]

I literally went “nazi heidenreich has to be on the list right”

[@tamzidmohsinkhan3333]

Lol imagine if Vince & Stephanie storyline would've happened 😂

[@Hausbrauen]

"A Jim Morrison-type character for Edge would've been 30 years behind the times" -- I don't suppose you watched much WWE *10 years later, when they actually went through with this idea, and still use the gimmick to this day??* 😂

[@gabepollock1641]

Honestly the only thing that bothers me about John Morrison’s gimmick is the entrance music. A fine song, sure, but it’s played by a group called the Stonefree Experience, and it’s meant to copy the style of Jimi Hendrix. Not The Doors, not Jim Morrison, but Jimi Hendrix. Why did they give an imitation Hendrix song to a Jim Morrison send up?

[@sjohn8729]

@@gabepollock1641 because its wwe, inconsistency is their thing

[@zanethind]

In WWE 2K23 in the men's career mode they make your character change their gimmick to the Lock gimmick 😂😅. WWE still used the gimmick in a way

[@HoV326]

Uh... wasn't Hirohito the emperor, not the general? And wasn't it Hideki Tojo that was the general? As a WWII nerd, that made me wince a bit.

[@michaelbreen7865]

You're right on both counts.

[@liamhemstock2286]

Your going to read to responses and get confused a lot and that’s ok 😂😂

[@oceansoul6]

That storyline was the main reason stopped watching WWE back in the day.

[@Billy_Carter]

I miss Vine. They should bring Vine back.

[@OutsiderLXIX]

VINE FOR HOF 2022 VINE STILL HAS IT.... CLAP CLAP.... CLAP CLAP CLAP 🙌

[@SirDBee]

Vine > Tout

[@PopeyeBjj86]

VINE IS GONNA KILL YOU VINE IS GONNA KILL YOU VINE IS GONNA KILL YOU VINE IS GONNA KILL YOU

[@DukesMusic84]

They thought that EDGE couldn't talk? Wow, no wonder they can't find new talent. Edge's promos give me chills every time.

[@whaduzitmatr]

they also thought Stone Cold couldn't talk either that's why he was paired with Ted DiBiase at first

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

It was just Russo and it proves why Vince telling him no is why he didn't screw WWE like he did WCW

[@newavengerxx4428]

So many ideas that never, thankfully, saw the light of day... and yet, we still ended up getting the Katie Vick fiasco. Ugh..... my stomach....

[@jackadams3878]

"attempting to launch an american football league - twice - " xfl 2.0 wasnt a particularly bad run, but for covid. im not sure why people keep lumping it in with its forebear. if someone would launch a roller derby league that wasnt all about gimmicks and storylines, i'd watch that shit every week

[@Montaq_]

I actually got tickets to an XFL game like a week before the shutdown so I never got, and will never get, to go now. Shame, looked like fun.

[@mattcox8885]

@@Montaq_ You still might. The Rock bought it, and they're looking at a 2023 season.

[@tetristech9732]

@@mattcox8885 on the other hand isn’t the AAF eyeing up 2022? If they beat the XFL to the bunch they’d probably have way better talent

[@whoeckum]

Yea 2.0 was actually doing well, but their 2020 launch is just that. It was 2020

[@hiidkwhattoput1116]

Ngl I lowkey enjoyed the XFL games last year

[@MatthewKonvict]

“The Lock” is the men’s side of my career on wwe 2k23 🤣 😂 🤣

[@3sguitar]

Top 10 Honors given to a wrestler. Examples: Lesnar beating the streak Sammy Guevara getting the opening match when AEW went live.

[@robertclark2253]

Vince obviously never learned from his dad that pissing off organized crime isn't a good idea . Vince Sr had Lou Albano and Tony Altimore as The Sicilians complete with Mafia costumes and being pursued by a tag team known as The G Men until he had a visit from the actual Mafia and was forced to tone the gimmick down . In British wrestling there was a wrestler called Alan Kilby who was actually deaf and this was incorporated into his gimmick .

[@MikeMajora]

Last time i was this early, half the roster was still employed

[@ms.trishs6481]

👍🏿

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

Technically half the roster is always employed.

[@killingragethrowback]

Oh god, Mcmahon had John Cena in mind before Cena was even in the WWE! It's a good thing Hall shot it down.

[@liamevans9815]

"Terrible Muta'd ideas"... I see what you did there, Pacitti, you sly dog you!

[@fordman7775]

I’m starting to think that instead of thought provoking and quality stories, WWE creative is like people on dark corners of the internet who post edgy stuff just to get a reaction

[@KDill29]

You mean KZbin.

[@fordman7775]

@@KDill29 Honestly, KZbin isn't really that bad compared to other places on the internet I know of.

[@rumblebird9888]

Pretty much

[@Nick_C1997]

Apparently Shane was unaware of the Stephanie storyline idea until someone asked him about it a couple years ago Shane apparently said he would’ve been fine with it

[@rickyrosay33977]

He even said "my sister's hot I wouldn't have mind it" the McMahons are far from normal 😬

[@HDMS_Kingslayer]

Hirohito, Japans general?!? LOL Pretty sure he was more than that :D

[@PrizeJ]

Emporer, plus he isn't revered in Japan. Japanese people KNOW, that he was the reason there were bombs dropped on them during the war. They keep quiet about that part of history, and don't want to even think about it. I don't think Pachetti knows that though, I won't be too hard on him.

[@StageRight123]

@@PrizeJ Unfortunately, there are still many old generation Japanese people that still believe that Japan never committed atrocities during and prior to World War 2, and that the U.S. dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was completely an up front attack by the United States.

[@PrizeJ]

@@StageRight123 Well yeah, but those old ones were propagandized. I bet if there was a poll taken to see where the thoughts of older people that believe that lays, I think the numbers wouldn't be as high. I'm half Japanese and half Filipino, and I have been to Japan alot of times. I haven't heard too many of older generation that believe in the anti USA propaganda of they were attacked for no reason(though I know there are some that do exist), I have met older folks that didn't want to talk about it at all.

[@robjackson4050]

@@PrizeJ the only thing that is positive about him he is the longest reigning monarch ever but i don't see why he was allowed to reign so long and wasn't overthrown by his people

[@PrizeJ]

@@robjackson4050 Who knows man?

[@LandontheHedgehog]

2:25 Yeah. I smell a WWE 2K23 MyRise story

[@lashawnjordan1336]

I am glad that British Hulk Hogan didn’t happen! I am glad that deaf Edge didn’t happen

[@maeschder]

Hirohito wasnt a general per se, he was THE EMPEROR OF JAPAN. Also a frikkin war criminal. And more importantly, it was his actual name, not his title "Shôwa"

[@mistformsquirrel]

This list is baffling... I mean I'm glad none of it happened (except maybe The Lock as a one off gag, I could see that maybe being fun once. But when has WWE ever known how to show restraint when something is fun one time?) - but holy crap.

[@panoskakkavas4022]

And guess who has an AWFUL storyline as a character in WWE 2K23'S My Rise .

[@awesome6084]

To be honest, the McMahon family is really weird

[@bengibson3298]

Stupid ideas from bad creative!!!!

[@kingofsting19]

Scott Hall could have done that G.I. Joe gimmick pretty well. He could even keep the slick hair and toothpick, play it as more like a Full Metal Jacket kind of G.I., and it probably would have killed.

[@adambedard8641]

The fact that Razor Ramon wasnt WWF champion is down right criminal.

[@jeremywilliams5141]

How about when they were going to name Steve Austin " Chilly McFreeze" instead of "Stone Cold"? "Chilly McFreeze" sounds like a dessert you'd order at McDonald's, or one of Ronald McDonald's friends. Or how about when they wanted Sgt. Slaughter to burn the American flag during his Iraqi sympathizer run?

[@g-coalitionbrother1729]

@@MazeDaGr8 Somebody should've used one or two of those in a promo thinking they were clever and mocking Austin, only for him to shut it down both on the mic and by kicking their ass. Then again, in those days they did just fine even without such self-referential humor...

[@YourAverageFan]

To be fair, the XFL was working before the pandemic.

[@thesprock5270]

Vince is so weird

[@KingCanada]

I don't think "weird" is the right term. He went past weird a LONG time ago.

[@cvilledoula]

Haha The Change Of Hogan's Theme Lmao So Great!!

[@damiendemented9399]

Now instead of it being a real gimmick for a real life superstars it's forced on your male character in WWE 2K23

[@edalder2000]

Baron Von Bava? I lost 40 family members at Auschwitz. So, I am aghast and my brain is broken. I just can't. So tone deaf that Vince himself walked out says it all.

[@youngdolo8]

There are so many layers. 😂😂 Pairing Paul Heyman, a Jewish man, with this character is only the tip. 😂

[@georgewhite8242]

Is that what I think it is in the thumbnail??

[@jpgaltonscratch]

yalll the lock WWE 2k23

[@KeepGaming129]

Without watching the video first. Number one has to be Vince's pitch to turn Stephanie's REAL pregnancy into a storyline with Vince being the father....

[@mikeattard3543]

it's on the list

[@bottominaplatecarrier1118]

Hulk O'Hogan *Lights go down, the crowd begins to rumble, over the PA...* COMEOUTYEBLACKANDTANS

[@mrghost3088]

You know what would be hilarious? Imagine you're someone who wants out of WWE, but they won't release you. Stash a megaphone under the ring. Then when it's time to come out and talk, grab the mic, and start yelling FUCK FUCK FUCK. Knowing they'll turn it off, reach under the ring, grab the megaphone and continue. I'll bet they'd release you then. Plus it would definitely be remembered.

[@Beavie]

"Heidenreich was originally going to be a nazi" Me: ...Fuck no. For the love of God, no. How could it be worse? "Paul Heyman, (who is Jewish) who's mother was a holocaust survivor, was going to be his manager." Me: *drops jaw* ...

[@pyrothefriendlyarsonist9195]

General? Emperor Showa //Hirohito// was Emperor the General of Japan's military was Hideki Tojo

[@Carlitonsp1]

Didn't the Christian/Rock idea transform into Christian referring to his fans as 'The Peeps' as his version of 'The People'.

[@dennisfortner9641]

The number 1 sounded a lot like Captain America theme from Marvel Comics. Marvel Comics would of sued over copyright infringement. See...Captain America was frozen after WW2 in order to be revived in the modern time. So...WWE was lucky they never did this gig because Marvel Comics would of owned WWE.

[@rickyrosay33977]

That #1 entry left me speechless it's bad enough heindenreich was going to portray a unfrozen nazi soldier but pairing him with a Jewish manager whose mom experienced the holocaust first hand

[@tamzidmohsinkhan3333]

Edge is the G O A T

[@mistformsquirrel]

Given this list I'm surprised they didn't consider booking him *as* a goat. Or at least attracted to them.

[@valyahmadi]

That title is probably going to John Cena or the undertaker but edge is definitely top 5

[@mmind2295]

Christian is better

[@mmind2295]

Christian is better

[@jordanmccluskey891]

Wait a minute so WWE wanted Kalisto to be a gay hairstylist and have him Alline himself with The Miz umm first of all I'm glad WWE didn't go route and second of all what they should had did was brought back Rico the original hairstylist and manager for Billy & Chuck from 2002 and had him join himself with The Miz

[@andresscott3927]

Hey, At least Christian career is better now... Out Work Everybody.... Ah dammit

[@Your.Uncle.AngMoh]

2:10 WRONG!! Showa Tenno (Hirohito) was the Emperor. The country was run by Tojo Hideki.

[@Cultivation420]

Hirohito was the emperor of Japan during WW2. He wasn't a general. And crazy enough, it turns out that he wasn't divine either.

[@p1nazza]

While red headed comedian Matt McCarthy was a writer at WWE he jokingly pitched a storyline to the writers room where he would portray Sheamus' deadbeat brother Lameus who was there to mooch off his brother and constantly got in arguments backstage that would lead to Sheamus wrestling matches he didn't want to, the writers all laughed it off before Brian Gerwitz pleaded with McCarthy to never explain it to Vince because Vince might have done it

[@Swolekamania]

WWE did end up pairing Heidenreich with Heyman, but the weirdest it ever really got was on-camera, non-consensual sodomy. Umm.

[@an0npr0xi1]

To be fair XFL was a good idea and it did work. It's just the pandemic killed all of it's momentum.

[@Card_lol]

XFL had good concepts imo. Shame we may not see another XFL

[@broadstbullies]

Japanese mafia gimmick would of been cool. Besides that all garbage like anything from 2014 to now

[@baneofdan]

I know you came from Whatculture but please don't turn into Whatculture 2. You've put this stuff in videos before.

[@TeamDeXtreme]

Wasn't there another popular scrapped idea in the late 2000's where John Cena was rumoured to be returning as a masked luchador "Juan Cena"?? 😂😂😂 I'm sure I even remember WWE themselves mentioning it at some point lol

[@kieranwalsh5779]

He did the Juan Cena gimmick at a couple house shows after Nexus had him fired. Kind of a Mr. America thing.

[@TeamDeXtreme]

@@kieranwalsh5779 ahhhhhh I see.... vaguely remember it lol I knew there was something to do with a "getting fired" angle

[@djlarrybird235]

Yeah, no one bats 1000...except Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig of course

[@theyakaflocka]

Why did they show a picture of Mr America when they were talking about Hulk Hogan? Those are clearly two different people

[@djlarrybird235]

Goldust could have been the breast there is, the breast there was and the breast there ever will be...✨️✨️✨️✨️📽

[@nu-metalfan2654]

For those that don’t know plan B was to have Shane be the father of Stephanie’s baby, but that didn’t happen either. But about 4 years ago Shane was asked about this potential story on a Radio interview and said he wouldn’t of mind doing the story because he said he finds his Sister not, Lol. And tbh if I had a sister that looked like Stephanie I wouldn’t of mind either 😂

[@g-coalitionbrother1729]

And there goes the idea of Shane-O being the only sane McMahon...

[@baefanintropar3900]

Vince McMahon - one of the few people who's such a c*nt, it makes you think "actually that Dana White fella's not that bad".

[@HA-409]

That was Japan's Emperor you showed the picture of not their General from WW 2 !!!

[@happyChappy96621]

I can already see Bruce Prichard pitching the Lock to Christian. That’s the shit he finds funny.

[@rizzcs6018]

Imagine offending Vince so much you get fired, and it wasn't for something stupid like sneezing.

[@highrofellos6721]

If the Lock is seriously the stupidest thing Vince has heard I have to wonder how long it has been since Vince went deaf LUL.

[@PirateDrive]

It's a little disturbing that it seems for a good 5-10 years someones fallback idea in the creative team was 'why not incest?' Ken/Ryan Shamrock, Beaver Cleavage, Vince/Steph, Paul/Katie-Lea Burchill...

[@stewartmcrae8007]

It is not someone in the creative team that suggested it it's Vince McMahon who wants it

[@daviddaniel6949]

If Cole was woman. Little baby Heidenreich would be all grown up now.

[@JustinEvitable80]

A few minor ones: Bret Hart was going to get a cowboy gimmick at first. Many years later, another pitched idea was Owen going to have an affair with Debra.

[@SsnakeBite]

I'm shocked that no less than three of these idea not only weren't Vince's but that he actively opposed them.

[@barryparker4733]

You will NEVER forget the name of....... Goldust

[@achimsinn6189]

The fact that Vince McMahon acted as the voice of reason in some of those cases is telling a lot about past WWE creative.

[@neptunebartender]

Okay but why is Adam clearly in the stock footage of a business meeting at 0:50 ?

[@wolvie667]

So kalisto would have been Rico 2.0???

[@adriangaber9176]

with the benefit of hindsight, we got the lock in the 2k games and it was terrible

[@KylesWorldChamp91]

Also there was a planned Brock Lesnar being gay storyline 😂

[@panaoutsios1990]

Is it normal to kiss father in the lips his daughter!?

[@orinanime]

I could totally see Scott Hall playing a GI Joe type. He'd be the next-gen Sgt Slaughter

[@jackadams3878]

um, hirohito was their emperor

[@Whogrl16]

I believe kenzos wife told wwe the Hirohito gimmick was a bad idea

[@timothybelloftheclanbell1658]

People need to stop being so damn sensitive about stuff it's just entertainment

[@heyrelife]

4:30 Goldust wore a body suit anyway, if he was dead set on the idea why didn’t he just pitch stuffing the chest of the body suit to make it LOOK like he had implants?

[@trentbrownstone1481]

$$$

[@mantistoboggan2599]

Why does it not surprise me that a writer for WWE pitched a Nazi character

[@jedshaffer5956]

Considering John Morrison would do a Jim Morrison gimmick several years later and make it a success, not sure why it would be “behind the times” in the late 90’s. Also, there was talk that Baron Von Bava was, at one point, supposed to debut alongside Hirohito and do an entire WW2 Axis powers stable.

[@darkdude521]

Crossed the point from "Outdated" to "Nostalgic" I guess? Somethin' like that. Plus he looks a fuckton like Morrison, admittedly.

[@tmwfte81]

#1 - Ross Tweddell being a WWE writer

[@mxnzzchannel7590]

Nice vd

[@sparrow420500]

That one it with Melina is my all-time favorite Bautista moment! He never said he would call off the match, so never technically lied. He did imply he would call off the match, but Melina is the one who made that assumption and agreed to bang big Dave. After the deed had been done ( which apparently only took the length of a commercial break, because they were finished when they came back from the break) you still went out and kick their asses anyway! FUCKING LEGEND!!

[@Gamesta100]

Guess Batista was a 1 pump chump lol

[@IdkANiceName999]

based on a real story

[@dustinsteele3069]

"Don't ask me, I'm British." I had a good laugh at that.

[@TimmyTickle]

What about Christian's "blue dot"?

[@Colatron]

I just knew it had to the Baron Von Bava gimmick at number 1 - I remember seeing CM Punk at a show in Coventry in '05 recounting the tale of this shistorm of a creative idea to a stunned and silent hall; Captain America it wasn't

[@g-coalitionbrother1729]

Hell, *Red Skull* it wasn't.