10 Things Everybody Gets Wrong About WCW

[@jessicawright426]

WCW is the reason I became a wrestling fan. I still go back and watch it. Happy to see a video that doesn’t just point out the flaws. A lot of good things happened.

[@ratedrva757]

The Wolfpack had the best wrestling theme song ever

[@ratedrva757]

And unmasked Rey Mysterio

[@imjusthere750]

Very well said.

[@caimbus]

Same here..The NWA got me into wrestling when I was a kid

[@adamlennard1828]

I think the buggiest issue is because wwe won they tell the history of it and really try to make wcw look awful. Yes it had its issues but there was lots of good too. I don’t think Vince will ever quite get over someone had the audacity to not just challenge but beat him at a time. Only have to look at HHH beating Sting to see it still hurts Vince’s ego.

[@KillaOunze]

Was a fan of the two top promotions in the U.S WCW AND WWE and still watch both the top promotions on American 📺 in 2022 WWE AND AEW and one thing hasn't changed: it's great to have two promotions. There are a lot of talented people who need work and plenty of people who enjoy a good story and more companies we have out there trying to deliver that then the better!

[@DeathsNitemareShepardOfHope]

Hell Yeah! 😄👍

[@propakindustries22]

Well said Bubbles

[@Simply_DJay]

I'm old, and I was there too. I was at the Nitro in late '99 where Sid Vicious had half the brain of the Outsiders.

[@TheManInTheLongBlackCoat]

One thing that people say caused the end of WCW was the guaranteed contracts, the idea that greedy wrestlers were getting Turner’s money and not putting in the effort. The Death of WCW has an interesting take: because WCW was gaining so much money-they were making bank-you could feasibly argue that the wrestlers were actually underpaid.

[@DannyM-m7q]

Bet the wcw show you went to in 2000 was absolutely mental going on the booking back then

[@cjvaye99]

WCW in 2000 was madness

[@DannyM-m7q]

@@cjvaye99 often go back for a laugh on the network

[@stevenparrish903]

Im still mad about Bret Hart. WCW has the greatest wrestler of his time come over from recently being the WWF champ and they utterly destroyed him and shortly thereafter his career was sadly ended. Such a damn tragedy

[@mikebowman5819]

I say this as a big wcw fan...did you really find Bret entertaining? Like lance storms gimmick was lack of personality and I found his wcw run awesome and entertaining but I just felt bret always seemed uncomfortable in everything. We all are entertained differently and I enjoyed brets matches but I just never got excited to see him. Cheers and happy new year

[@Starveed]

@@mikebowman5819 the best there is the best there was the best there ever will be

[@stevenparrish903]

@@mikebowman5819 To be fair, I would have to go back and watch Bret matches again. I absolutely loved him as a kid.

[@nateolison7553]

Agreed. Bret was phenomenal. Dude was straight-up a cornerstone of my childhood. Right up there with Ninja Turtles and the X-Men.

[@filmbuff2777]

@Zane Thind Bret still decided to wrestle after that match instead of seeking medical attention.

[@davidfair2009]

I'm old enough that I remember WCW. I watched the climb, the domination in the ratings and the fall. What killed WCW was they had no idea how to get out of the nWo/Sting story. They put the title on Sting and then...nothing. There was no concept of what to do with the story. How to bring it all home. Should the nWo break up? Should Surfer Sting return? They built a 14 month story on Sting winning the title from Hogan, then had Sting drop it the very next night on Nitro. They had no ending to the story so each week they just tried random shit, hoping something would stick. And let's not forget the nWo story was everything WCW was about then. Everyone on the card was involved in the story one way or another. Then in trying to recapture what they did the previous 14 months, they kept introducing storylines with no go-home in mind.

[@raiderbro8663]

Finally, someone who doesn't just point to one thing or a lazy narrative. Fair points, they definitely made magic at times - even did things that WWE copied, but looks like they were a victim of their own newfound success and didn't know how to handle it . It's like the lazy movie sequel that just banks on the originals ideas, name and fame. Love that you bring up starrcade 97 cause most marks will say put the blame on the botched spot as the reason that match was dissapointing but the match itself failed to build momentum and didn't setup the finish, so the botch didn't kill it - by comparison at that years WM Tyson counted way too fast and that spot was probably more egregious. It seemed they forget to tell a story within the match all they cared for was hyping it up (did a great job there) and the next plot point which is the finish -which I don't hate but timing is everything and having patrick as the designated heater. Anyways, not to go any longer but again to your point they also did the same with Goldberg, they didn't know where to go after he won the belt even if he's match with Hogan delivered

[@victoryusmc]

This is one of Simon Miller's old videos. He's grown so much! I'm a proud father

[@th3gr81]

Goldberg?

[@muneebahmad4378]

@@th3gr81 lol 😂

[@virgoaraaf557]

I live in Indonesia and I knew WCW first before WWF(E), it was around 1998, I was 9. I actually knew about WWF after the release of the first Smackdown game on PS1 before it's airing on TV in 2001 or so. Most Indonesian of my age or older will tell you that the first Pro wrestling they saw on TV is WCW.

[@grawirawenang8404]

legend

[@siagianpradipta94]

Kalau WWF Smackdown di RCTI ya bang.. taun segitu saya masih playgroup, ikut nonton almarhum bapak di foto saya nonton. Kalau WCW dimana ya? TVRI?

[@virgoaraaf557]

@@siagianpradipta94 WCW dulu tayangnya siang/sore kalo ga salah ingat, di TV swasta, bukan di TVRI

[@siagianpradipta94]

@@virgoaraaf557 ndak malam ya mas? Setau saya tayangan ini kan Dewasa ya, seharusnya jam 10 keatas. Kira2 apakah ingat TV yang nyiarkan apa ya?

[@virgoaraaf557]

@@siagianpradipta94 kalo WWF malem, tapi WCW siang hari, saya masih ingat soal ini. Jaman itu belum banyak TV swasta, tp kayaknya sih Indosiar yg nayangin… Dulu banyak acara ky gini, selain WCW ada WMAC Master (kalau ga salah)

[@mikecrawley7739]

I absolutely love your WCW videos. Makes me very nostalgic for the days of getting off of work and watching Monday night nitro. AEW is doing a good job of feeling that void.

[@Cloud121D]

WCW For Life!!! I lived, breathed, and bled for that company, and I still do to this day. They were, and still are the only wrestling company that matters.

[@charlesdigloria693]

4 Life!

[@punklover99]

Kinda coming off as old man yells at cloud, have you checked out njpw roh or aew

[@thekingofoldskool2]

When I was growing up, I always preferred WCW then WWF. I used to watch it on Channel 5 and TNT UK, before it moved to Bravo. I always felt WCW 2001 wasn't that bad.

[@patrickomalley3402]

I'm having knightmares about Judy bagwell on a forklift and Scott steiner hitting a plastic duck

[@thekingofoldskool2]

@@patrickomalley3402 I have a feeling that was in 2000 though not 2001. From around November 2000 they seemed to be a focus again.Everything was leading to the new ownership of WCW.

[@Segwo]

I remember clearly my friend and fellow wrestling fan telling to check out this WcW show. It has some wrestlers we know, and some really good wrestlers we don’t. I tune in, and see The Master shouting “Hogan! Hogan!” Over and over again. I promptly turned it off and never looked back. A few years later I watched Ready To Rumble

[@steveomac385]

It was better than WWF was just a couple years prior, and better than the WWE would be a few years later.

[@frankydave]

I'm old enough to remember WCW being on Central television in the UK, and enjoyed it at the time. With Bret Hart, I think he was burnt out when he came there, and with Owen dying shortly afterwards, I suspect he lost all motivation, and then there was Goldberg.

[@filmbuff2777]

It also didn't help Bret when he came in at the climax of the nWo story with Sting, with Bill Goldberg on his way to being a top star.

[@HonkeyKongLive]

It's so weird seeing these super old videos get reuploaded.

[@XX-ep5xt]

Yeah simons energy is so different

[@misterkeefus]

Okay I've thought I've seen this before and it sounds older. That is weird

[@nathan19882]

Whatculture reusing old videos for life 🤘🏻

[@jugghead82]

Man WCW I loved it even to the final days. It's really funny WWE did the old wrestler skits when intern Hogan came back in the end winning the WWE title.

[@jb4626]

Great list for those who only know the WWE narrative of WCW. WCW was the best during its heyday. Thank you, Simon! Glad to know you were also a fan of dubya-c-dubya!

[@damonodell9125]

"the old guys" argument was valid. It wasn't necessarily that it was an old folks home, it's that the old folks were keeping th new guard from becoming legit.

[@InfectedElite]

although Kidman can say he pinned Hogan

[@steveomac385]

The new guard were becoming legit because people tuned in for the older guys. And most of those new gaurd did no better in WWE till other people left.

[@damonodell9125]

@@steveomac385 so I just imagined them holding down the biggest stars of the ruthless agression era and we all just collectively imagined the mass exodus in 99-2000? Interesting. This changes everything. Do yourself a favor you doorknob. Read some books.

[@MrNegativecreep07]

Also, despite what WWE keep telling us, Degeneration X did not drive a tank to their venue. It was a jeep, and if WCW had opened the shutter to let them in they would have looked like complete idiots

[@thehottag3763]

The Jeep still looked cool though

[@EmberMcLain87]

wow. the old jules outro.. what a treat this video is. havent seen that in years.

[@Thecallmemisterajp]

Gotta disagree on the Nitro Girls. The concept was unique for wrestling, but you can’t take away from what WWF was doing with Sunny, Sable, and Terri in 96, which wasn’t just “valets,” but using sex to sell merch, magazines, etc. - basically the origin of the WWE Divas model. Remember Sunny’s claim to fame was that she was the most downloaded celeb on AOL, which in the early days of the net was innovative in its own right, and up until the Horsewomen’s rise, it was easy to see Sunny’s footprints in WWE and other organizations. Outside of the Extreme Expose thing briefly in ECW, I don’t think the Nitro Girls concept had any lasting influence beyond 1999.

[@denzilredden5096]

I watched both growing up but I was way more into WCW

[@i.YouTuber1]

Was all WCW till Stone Cold "Stunned" my interest. I feel bad now. Even if WCW was dying, I should've stuck with em. I'll never forget seeing Shane & Vince on WCW TV in 2001. Outlaw years!

[@TheDukeofMadness]

While putting the title on David Arquette was bad, his giving the money he made to the families of Owen Hart, Droz, Brian Pillman, and Bobby Duncum Jr was very good. In regards to WCW, it was the only thing available during the late 90's in Australia so I came to the WWF's Attitude Era very late.

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

I didn't know that about Arquette. Thanks for the info. And you're right. At least something good came out of it.

[@axelmalone]

Great video! Can you guys please make more videos about ECW, please and thank you! Keep up the good work!!!

[@mikebowermaster4250]

Everything good about the Flair-Steamboat matches that was good was Steamboat.

[@reylopez8433]

I was always more of a WCW guy until Nash laid down for Hogan. I still lose sleep over that.

[@lancewhiteeagle3203]

I was a bigger WCW fan than WWF in the 90's. What makes me chuckle is that at its worst WCW was still doing better, ratings wise, than WWE has in the past few years.

[@freddiejohnson6137]

Wrestling as a whole isn't anywhere near as popular as it was back then regardless. It doesn't really mix well with the modern world of social media and the new generation of wrestlers willing to discuss everything about what is going on backstage. Wrestling thrived when you didn't know everything about the guys on screen and their personal lives and they didn't advertise they were hanging out with the guys they were feuding with.

[@KruelAidMan]

@@freddiejohnson6137 The Attitude Era started with breaking kayfabe

[@PaulSman123]

The biggest reason IMO that WCW fell apart was the lack of proper booking for younger talent which lead to their inability to move on from the older talent/NWO during the end of the 90's. The blame goes solely on the creative team for this.

[@DoylePotateo1989]

Is there a video where Simon Miller shouted MEAT at Shawn Stasiak on KZbin? Also, is it on the WWE Network?

[@jasonmccrank4981]

Dax Harwood is 100% right. I wish that WCW would have won. To hell with Vince McMahon.

[@tamzidmohsinkhan3333]

WCW last days are way better than todays WWE

[@DeathsNitemareShepardOfHope]

This was a good video, i coulda listed to an entire hour of stuff on this topic. 😄👍

[@thewhitewingedeagle6330]

Nitro and Thunder on TNT on Comcast cable when it first came out in the UK. Those were the days.

[@InfectedChris]

How old is this?!

[@mattwilkinson5858]

The irony off wwe making fun of ace for using me guys while they rely solely on part timers

[@SleepingCollectibles]

Simon, the busiest man in wrestling. Hope you are well brother!

[@TheSilentScreamX]

WCW is definitely why I'm a wrestling fan today. Hell, Sting coming out to Seek & Destroy is even responsible for my taste in music.

[@jesusmoncada4614]

Ric flair and Ricky steamboat is still considered top 3 matches ever in my book Kevin Sullivan vs Chris Benoit in there falls count anywhere which was the beginning of hardcore matches in my book, I still remember Benoit smashing Sullivan's head with the toilet stall door.and of course the match that started it all for me hulk Hogan vs the iron sheik when Hogan became the first person to break out of the camel clutch great story telling

[@letsplayxboxsports]

in regards to #1, I love how WWE made fun of hogan being old and useless in 1994, but then had that same guy main Event Summerslam, the 2nd biggest ppv of theirs of the year, more than a decade later.

[@JustinEvitable80]

3 More: 1. "Tony caused fans to switch over the RAW by spoiling Mick Foley's title win." He didn't cause fans to switch over, Nitro going to commercial break did. 2. "WCW failed because they didn't want to make new stars." I think Booker T, Scott Steiner, Big Show (Giant), DDP, Sting & Ric Flair (although started in NWA) would like a word with you. Also WCW gave better exposure for guys like Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Saturn, Mysterio & Jericho. 3. "Vince was going to make a WCW show during invasion but the Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell match was so bad, he didn't think they'd survive on their own." The match was MEANT to be bad. Why would the bookers want you to cheer a WCW match? If anyone thinks Booker & Bagwell were competing to their full potential, you obviously didn't watch enough WCW. (Yes, this is more WWE related).

[@twrx9801]

Wcw facts… Rey mysterio wcw matches were way better than in wwe and he was gettin pushed just not in world rutile scene… in the heat of the moment the finger poke of doom nor mash beating the streak was considered that bad of a thing and the higher power was way worst… the Wolfpack was over and dnt let no one tell u something different… the same with ppl lik Norman smiley… I got plenty of these… if time permits check on the content on my page

[@JPD2587]

Repeat?

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

I know that Sting was never a wwf guy, but did you notice how wwf never went after him in the Billionaire sketches? They didn't want to burn that bridge without having a chance to cross it first.

[@markwrenn5965]

Interesting point I never noticed

[@walterlucero5757]

The Rock took care of that when he told Booker T "Who the hell are you?" on an episode of Smackdown. After that, Sting didn't want to sign with WWE until McMahon named his price.

[@jackmackakaheavyguyhaiku545]

@@walterlucero5757 Yes, but Sting wasn't attacked in those bits, just in case.

[@christopheropie9704]

Anytime you hear “Ding. Ding. Done.” You know it’s an old video

[@steveomac385]

I love how the first time Stacy Kiebler showed up in WCW was as a fan that a camera man happened to see and drool over lol.

[@briwanderz]

"wcw would do things, and have no follow up of the story" imagine if wwe did that today, wouldn't that be.... oh wait.

[@DLKnightstick1989]

...I'm confused as to what people get wrong about these things. If you were a WCW fan, you already know all of this.

[@frankrappa4765]

Both WCW & WWF were a big part of my childhood. I loved both companies and still watch WWE to this day.

[@zachbalon4027]

Even though it’s like a horribly scripted mtv show?

[@aramanon]

I love how Simon pronounces it Durbya See Durrbya

[@TheTenCentStory]

WWF had epic title changes like Hogan Vs Goldberg and it didn't affect them. It's actually said to benefit them. Does anyone remember Mankind vs Rock?

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

WCW would have likely folded anyway as a result of the bad AOL/Time Warner merger coupled with the tech sector meltdown. Even when their ratings were high, it was an awfully expensive business to run, and AOL/Time Warner hated having to carry a wrestling property.

[@MrSniperfox29]

That and there was no cross over with the wrestling fans to other Turner programming, so there was no reason to keep them on if they weren't making money

[@what3801]

WWE has become the WCW they once made fun of.

[@pooldead7712]

But surviving... for now

[@AZK91]

@@pooldead7712 Because they're a publicly owned company in the billions and have hardly any competition.

[@pooldead7712]

@@AZK91 well done lol

[@MuenchnerHai]

Of cause WCW went straight to our hearts and stayed there. After all, they were the only promotion who had a German wrestler we could root for, Alex Wright.

[@KruelAidMan]

Nowadays you've got Bathel & Tischer...

[@kamarichristie4346]

Reupload?

[@thehottag3763]

Yeah I believe it had something to do with copyright

[@poncho_x4410]

WCW was the first wrestling promotion that I was allowed to watch as a kid. My mom seemed to think that at the time WWF was full of way more objectifying women and inappropriate things like that and that WCW was more focused on wrestling. Plus my Dad just preferred WCW's roster a lot more than the WWF roster at the time. Which to clarify was from around the mid 90s up through until the company was sold to Vince and absorbed into WWF. By then I was old enough to watch whatever I wanted though so I obviously just switched to watching WWF from then on.

[@redrayvn]

I would like to know how you would see the finger poke of doom, post-loss Goldberg and a couple of others on here being salvaged. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I'm legitimately interested in how it would have looked if these angles were handled more competently.

[@theslickrips5904]

How could a finger poke of doom angle be good in any way, shape or form?

[@anthonyaman1488]

@@theslickrips5904 WWF did the same thing to switch the European title from Shawn to HHH in 1997.

[@robertwilkinson4435]

I was always wwf/wwe but my younger late brother loved wcw so eve³ry Fri nights we went to our grandfather's watched wcw every Fri night tnt must of had a UK channel showed wcw Monday nitro on Friday nights then sky changed by 1999 finally we watched wwe raw on Fri nights good memories of wcw since my brother is no longer here.

[@ARealDorkieHero]

Oh this was recorded awhiiiiiiile ago. They havent used the Jules outro or that song in a loooooooong time

[@DebitAdams]

Rerun? Or Copystrike Reupload?

[@juliooquendo220]

Simon Miller always loves wcw. He is goldberg Jr

[@smeqwack7337]

Is insane how long wcw went with no profit until 97-98 and then never again

[@charlesdigloria693]

WCW was my first wrestling love.

[@mosunshine501]

I swear I’ve seen this video before. Do you guys repost videos

[@jorgebarrera2165]

As soon as Simon started saying “commercial” a commercial interrupted the video…thanks KZbin…

[@thezero1918]

Isn't this video a repost?

[@cppblank]

I haven't watched wrestling much since the end of WCW but aren't some of them still around with other promotions?

[@garyblackburn3080]

Yea a few of em....Rey Mysterio and a couple of others....you're not missin much lol

[@ChuckPTV]

Wcw nitro girls best idea yet love the cheerleader idea 😎

[@andu1854]

I liked WCW more until they lost the Radicals and brought a Vince Russo

[@Psmgamer]

Russo being an on screen character ruined WCW. He should have stayed behind the scenes.

[@pooldead7712]

@@Psmgamer Russo, hulk, politics, turner's board a hole lot more ruined wcw, it was always going to fail.

[@whocanitbenow13]

My most favorite version of Sting is NWA/Crow Sting.

[@SexyAssDanny4]

need pics of 2000 Simon at said wcw event

[@danielmillard6620]

You guys should check out "You Can't Kill David Arquette."

[@thehottag3763]

I think no one would be happy however you booked Goldbergs first loss

[@anthonyaman1488]

I disagree. Look at the crowd in the match with DDP at Halloween Havoc and tell me that a lot of people would've loved to see him end the streak when he hit that diamond cutter.

[@taitholtwick2670]

Don’t think Owen’s death helped Bret’s enthusiasm for his work in WCW either.

[@mikewerner1304]

Bret Hart came to WCW to deliver and get back at Vince for the screwjob. He gave Bishoff ideas and possible matches but to quote Bret "Eric always had some bs excuse why he couldn't do it. Oh! We would love to put you with him but we can't... bc its... raining out." 97 Bret was amazing and WCW sank the momentum . Please listen to Brets interviews which prove Bishoff is just passing the blame.

[@megamike15]

i feel like as the years go on wcw is just turning into the " sonic was never good." meme.

[@kamarichristie4346]

Probaly reuploaded due to copyright

[@CH-ju8zt]

Ding Ding Done? How old is this video?

[@awkc63]

You said ECW instead of WCW when talking about the Raid lol

[@jdubz8292]

I wonder how those dynamic dudes are doing these days.

[@1_Fish.2_Fish.Red_Fish.]

Virgil is my favorite wrestler of all time.

[@Twiceborn_by_grace]

So did Scott Caan get a title too? 🤣🤣

[@joneichelberg6432]

The truth of the matter is WWE undermined WCW by purposefully sending talent to WCW and setting up the backstage politics resulting in the fold.

[@jamesmcdonald9588]

Sunny was around before.the nitro girls though so surly she did it first?

[@andu1854]

Also 89 WCW was far superior to Wwf (after hogan won, 89 WWF was horrible and boring)

[@drevandamva]

Can we agree Bret’s wcw theme was fuckin 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥?!?!

[@PopeyeBjj86]

RELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAD

[@mikebowermaster4250]

I know that sting and luger were pushed WAY TOO FUCKING HARD.

[@cheekyfragrance]

No 1. It's not actually Pronounced Dubya See Dubya as if your George W Bush! My Nanna Loves you Simon and she doesn't usually trust bald people. You just rock.

[@thepolarphantasm2319]

WCW 2000 > WWE 2022

[@GarbanzoBeansFan]

nice seeing one of the old videos being brought from the closet

[@briwanderz]

the dumbest part of wwf making fun of the age of wcw wrestlers, when they went back to wwf /wwe after when they were even older... so according to vince they were so old and not entertaining you shouldn't watch them now, but 5+ years later when they are working for him you should watch.

[@billeckert6614]

"Things happen for the sake of happening" MAN THAT SEEMS FAMILIAR FROM SOMEWHERE

[@LuciferTheDogKiller]

The best thing WCW did better than WWE was that they didn't make their ethnic wrestlers become stereotypes.

[@djlaguna3047]

1989 i was one year's old i was born 1988 have not seen it yet but as i got older i did see wcw and i just love it and said screw wwf.

[@isaiahgarcia163]

Brook havok is coming

[@buckingham412]

Who gets these things wrong exactly? It'S pretty common knowledge by now

[@ManlikeMarcC]

This is a repost ?

[@garrettbarry411]

Wait…did they just recycle this video??

[@stuartday2980]

How are cheerleaders dated now? Maybe in the U.K. but thankfully not here, where there's validation for women who want to dance and keep the energy up at sporting events and women who want to wrestle as well.