10 Things I Did NOT Expect When Getting a DOUBLE-NECK Gibson Guitar

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10 Things I Did NOT Expect When Getting a DOUBLE-NECK Gibson Guitar
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@TheArtofGuitar
@TheArtofGuitar Жыл бұрын
I should have mentioned whether or not there is a neck-dive issue. Surprisingly no. I was prepared for the worst though. 🤣
@8KilgoreTrout4
@8KilgoreTrout4 Жыл бұрын
haha no shit right
@tanz5229
@tanz5229 Жыл бұрын
you can rotate the 3 way selector to be horizontal for switching between necks faster
@rockerfromhk
@rockerfromhk Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's what I wanted to ask. Neck diving is one of the worst thing for a guitar.
@Riverdeepnwide
@Riverdeepnwide Жыл бұрын
The BC Rich 6/12 spread the necks radially just a couple of degrees instead of being parallel. It gives some welcome clearance for tuning up at the headstock.
@sarguitars6603
@sarguitars6603 Жыл бұрын
The neck dive comes on the Bass over 6 models. I have 2 double necks, a 12 over 6 and a bass over 6. Unfortunately the bass over 6 has an offset body so the whole bass sits further to the left and makes the neck dive worse, along with creating a reach issue. I think I may make a short scale neck for the bass and see if that helps :)
@righty-o3585
@righty-o3585 Жыл бұрын
You could tune the 6 string to an open tuning that matches the key of the song you are playing on the 12
@beefs0ck911
@beefs0ck911 Жыл бұрын
Personally I'd do it the other way around
@dw7704
@dw7704 Жыл бұрын
Or the other way around
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium Жыл бұрын
The other way round would make more sense imo if you're going for "sitar-ish" sympathetic ringing
@_o.O__
@_o.O__ Жыл бұрын
@@atrumluminarium for sure i have a epi version and the 12str is def not as playable as the 6 for obvious reasons xD
@brizzieleif5258
@brizzieleif5258 Жыл бұрын
Jimmy Page did that playing live, not sure if it was Song Remains or The Rain Song. and if correct the twelve string was open chord
@andrewpappas9311
@andrewpappas9311 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved these guitars because of how cool they look and sound great, plus how legendary they are thanks to guys like Jimmy Page on Stairway (probably the most iconic example), Alex Lifeson on Xanadu, Don Felder on Hotel California and countless other players
@humanbeing2420
@humanbeing2420 Жыл бұрын
And Rick Emmet of Triumph on some crappy song from the early 80's that MTV had in its rotation for a couple years
@svdd10
@svdd10 Жыл бұрын
Steve Howe made excellent use of one in the early 70's on songs like Starship Trooper and And You And I.
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 Жыл бұрын
Rick Emmet and crappy can never be said in the same sentence.......the two dont fit
@Riverdeepnwide
@Riverdeepnwide Жыл бұрын
Ian Thornley of Big Wreck in their “Albatross” video. There’s a great gear video too where he discusses his 6/12.
@tomtheyank1
@tomtheyank1 Жыл бұрын
On the last waltz video , The Weight , Robbie Robinson is playing a double neck madilin 8 string and a 6 string . Very unique...
@lucasdeaver9192
@lucasdeaver9192 Жыл бұрын
Page used the double neck mostly because he had to switch quickly between "The Song Remains the Same" and "The Rain Song" which was in a different tuning. He felt the two songs had to be played just as the are on the album fading from one song to the other. If you watch him play it live you can see he plays the Song Remains The Same on the 12 string and Rain Song on the 6 w alternate tuning.
@brushstroke3733
@brushstroke3733 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, using it for "Stairway to Heaven" was just an afterthought.
@ChrisOBrien666
@ChrisOBrien666 Жыл бұрын
Which is why The Rain Song is played in a different key live from the studio version, it requires retuning fewer strings when both necks needed to be in standard tuning for Stairway.
@emilmaze
@emilmaze Жыл бұрын
@@brushstroke3733 Stairway was played live before TSRTS and the Rain Song were even written
@markhill9275
@markhill9275 Жыл бұрын
Better do your homework junior, Jimmy bought it specifically for Stairway. Go home to mummy
@geraldhartley
@geraldhartley Жыл бұрын
The hardest part for me when I've performed with my double neck is making sure it's in tune. Temperature changes, and getting it in and out of the case etc, can really screw with those 18 strings. Unless you have a guitar tech, plan on a few minutes to fine tune the thing. It makes for an awkward pause in your show unless you really plan for it!
@TheArtofGuitar
@TheArtofGuitar Жыл бұрын
I’ll find out tomorrow at the gig. 🥹
@geraldhartley
@geraldhartley Жыл бұрын
@@TheArtofGuitar Good luck and have FUN!! That's a gorgeous guitar.
@DocGliss
@DocGliss Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the new guitar! I have an Epiphone with upgraded pickups and switches, so I can definitely relate to all of your discoveries. In April, I will be playing for a high school edition of Rock of Ages. In the high school edition, some of the songs have been transposed down a step to accommodate the vocalists, including Dead or Alive by Bon Jovi. So I will probably end up tuning this whole thing down a step and playing the song like we're all used to playing it. Thanks, as always, for the information and inspiration!
@kevinking2468
@kevinking2468 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny, I played a Gibson double neck and never noticed it had 20 frets. Mine was terrible for neck dive and was a tank… I don’t remember the year but if I had to venture a guess I would say early 80’s? Maybe 70’s. I feel like it had standard Gibson tail pieces verses what the new models use. The coolest thing I remember is it being super resonant and sounding huge through a Marshall 50 watt! I use to tape a weight on the tail end of the strap to compensate for the neck dive tendency - Good memories!
@TheArtofGuitar
@TheArtofGuitar Жыл бұрын
I was way relieved that it didn’t neck dive. That’s a deal-breaker for me.
@kevinking2468
@kevinking2468 Жыл бұрын
@@TheArtofGuitarHappy to hear - I’m a big fan of your channel and guitar skills - Rock on!
@soaringvulture
@soaringvulture Жыл бұрын
@@TheArtofGuitar The trade-off is that it's only got 20 frets with only 18 of them usable.
@uskissvinylreferencepage3388
@uskissvinylreferencepage3388 Жыл бұрын
I have a doubleneck BC Rich Bich. There was definitely a learning curve. You learn little shortcuts, like leaving both necks on until you are going to be on a single neck for the rest of the song, so you don't have to switch so much. Fade To Black comes to mind.. I just leave both necks on until I get to the last chorus riff before going into the solo section. You can also be a little creative and mute the 12-string with your arm while playing the 6 string neck.
@lonesomelenny7606
@lonesomelenny7606 Жыл бұрын
Tip: Don't leave a Snark tuner on a guitar with nitro cellulose lacquer, The rubber pads on the tuner with eat into the lacquer. I had a double neck and it takes getting use to. I now use a a single 12 Reverend Airline as II play it on many more songs. Enjoy the double neck and have fun.
@davidbassplanc
@davidbassplanc Жыл бұрын
Same with that A frame stand! I have a few of those and the rubber caused finish damage on the back of my dc tribute lp I have some socks on it now to cover that rubber up and I never leave my snark on my guitar after I’m done tuning.
@hubbsllc
@hubbsllc Жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder how John McLaughlin felt - he used to play entire gigs with one of these in the original Mahavishnu Orchestra.
@aquilarossa5191
@aquilarossa5191 Жыл бұрын
The fingerboard and frets guys had to knock off early. Only had time to do 20 of them. The guy doing the cut-aways did what he could with it and hoped nobody would notice.
@stewieiommi
@stewieiommi Жыл бұрын
I've owned my Alpine White/gold hardware EDS 1275 for at least 15 years, bought new from Musician's Friend for around $4,000. MSRP has since doubled. I bought it largely because I'd been such a RUSH fanboi for so long.. (Can't really call myself any kind of "boi" at my current age of 69.) I had fun playing Xanadu on it and a few other songs, but it became the most expensive (and coolest) wall hanging in my studio. As you point out, you have to find a happy medium between neck heights, with neither being ideal. String changing is a real PITA. There is no getting a string winder on either neck where the headstocks are on adjoining sides. Winding those thin 12-string wires by hand is a test of patience. It really isn't practical for playing anything that doesn't require changing between 6 and 12 strings on the fly. Even Lifeson only used one for a couple of songs per show... they're unwieldy. It's not practical to pick it up just to play a 12-string song. I bought a Danelectro for that. I think it's cool you're going to gig it, though. Definitely has a wow-factor, and it's not practical to own unless you intend using it on stage. I hope you enjoy the guitar and find lots of use in it. I'll take this opportunity to tell you how I appreciate your positive, honest and humble attitude. Great channel, nice guy. Peace!
@SirSneakerPimp
@SirSneakerPimp Жыл бұрын
I was watching a Crimson Guitar video several weeks ago and he featured a double neck. The really cool aspect of it was that the necks were off set from each other. If I remember correctly the 12 was two/three inches forward. He marveled at that. And remarked that Gibson had them lined up. Then I thought wow, why aren’t the Gibson’s like that.
@MathiasBronnes
@MathiasBronnes Жыл бұрын
I have the epiphone version, red with a flame top, heavy as shit, im not a big guy so i can almost hide behind it lol. Definetly a fun instrument
@TheGalilee416
@TheGalilee416 Жыл бұрын
Not a fan of double neck but was legit excited to see what Mike would say
@jackshittle
@jackshittle Жыл бұрын
It gives me a warm & fuzzy to see someone get a guitar/bass that they've wanted for a very long time. Congrats & I look forward to seeing more videos with it 👍.
@righty-o3585
@righty-o3585 Жыл бұрын
12 pounds is lighter than most would expect that guitar to be, but 12 pounds is still a tank however you look at it. That's a friggin heavy guitar
@seanbaines
@seanbaines Жыл бұрын
My 3 mains, a Player Strat, a PRS SE Custom 22, and an Epiphone Les Paul Modern, are all under 8. My Epi LP Standard Pro is about a pound heavier, and feels like a tank by comparison. 12 pounds! Ack! That'd put my 61 year old back into spasms within 5 minutes!
@j_freed
@j_freed Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how they’d get around having an extra 12 string neck and hardware and wider body all for under 10 pounds. Gibson did make a few partially hollow body designs with various 2-neck configurations, those are quite rare and appear extremely well-made.
@j_freed
@j_freed Жыл бұрын
By the way Norlin Les Pauls could be over 14 pounds. Some guys would not trade their old Deluxe or Custom for anything.
@SmedleyButlerII
@SmedleyButlerII Жыл бұрын
That thing weighs 3 pounds more than a fully loaded M1 Garand
@brainpanner
@brainpanner Жыл бұрын
Check your volume for consistency and roll off the tone on the 12 just a bit. Once the 6 is dialed in, the 12 is WAY too bright. You can adjust it a bit with the pups and poles, but I've never been able to get mine dialed in equally. Also, if you get a chance, power chords on a palm muted 12, with a bit of drive, with a tiny bit of drive, is the best rhythmic element no one talks about. Rock. Break a leg. Get a wide strap and it'll be great fun!
@dylbertzombert
@dylbertzombert Жыл бұрын
I expect Stairway to Heaven by Zeppelin and Xanadu by Rush to be played in the next video
@michaeldique
@michaeldique Жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Ace Frehley did the thing with playing the 12 string, while only having the 6 string on for his instrumental Fractured Mirror from '78. Congrats with a very nice and different guitar!
@PetersRockinTheWorld
@PetersRockinTheWorld Жыл бұрын
Maaaan, I thought the same thing watching this. Nice observation!!
@brucec.822
@brucec.822 Жыл бұрын
@@PetersRockinTheWorld It was a six string and a mandolin, not a very common double neck.
@muleblues71
@muleblues71 Жыл бұрын
XANADU!
@GordonHeaney
@GordonHeaney Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Rush!
@mikeshanermusic
@mikeshanermusic Жыл бұрын
That's still waaaaay easier to play than Michael Angelo Batios double neck guitar. 🙂🙃
@anthonyw5261
@anthonyw5261 Жыл бұрын
😆😂🤣I bet!!!
@HannahCope88
@HannahCope88 Жыл бұрын
🤘🏻🔥🤘🏻Congrats on 782k Subscribers! Really interesting stuff, I admit I didn't really know much about the double necks. I haven't ever seen a double neck anywhere but it'll certainly be a cool experience when I do find one 'out in the wild' haha. I've actually got one of those A frame stands, I've got a small rack now as it's space saving but my SG would slip down on the A frame stand so the heel of the neck right where the strap attaches would rest on it, I had to tie something on to the supporting bars to stop it from sliding down.
@JoeR203
@JoeR203 Жыл бұрын
12 string guitars are a pain to tune. But they sound SO good once they are. Add some distortion and shred on one. 🙂 You didn't need to buy a fish scale. Just weigh yourself while holding the guitar and then weigh yourself without the guitar.
@rwmcgeesr
@rwmcgeesr Жыл бұрын
No surprises here. I play a 1966 Mostrite Joe Maphis 12 over 6 since 1966. Yes, tuning especially after new strings is a chore. Yes, it is heavier and as I am almost 70, your lower back will let you know about it. I have 22 frets on both necks, and the action is exceptional. I use a regular guitar stand and have never had an issue. I can also play it behind my head like Hendrix. Takes some practice. I use Ernie Ball Super Slinky strings on the 6 string and their standard 12 string set above. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine.
@chriskocher1469
@chriskocher1469 Жыл бұрын
If you don't want the sympathetic tones you can use fret wraps as an easy way to stop that while leaving both necks on. That's that I do on my double neck Ovation acoustic.
@maximusindicusoblivious180
@maximusindicusoblivious180 Жыл бұрын
The double neck Ovation acoustic models were the standard for years. I love the sound of them. I own an Ovation Celebrity 6 string acoustic, which has the best neck of my collection.
@joeclark903
@joeclark903 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, contrary to popular belief they are not a double neck SG they are a different thing, for this reason I got one of the Harley Benton double necks as they have much better neck access ( also I'd never be able to afford a Gibson on anyway...)
@TheArtofGuitar
@TheArtofGuitar Жыл бұрын
I just can’t not see the SG in it. 🤣
@seanbaines
@seanbaines Жыл бұрын
Because of the more widely spaced pickups, I imagine it sounds more LP like than SG like.
@Matt_Barkley
@Matt_Barkley Жыл бұрын
I've always wanted one thanks in large part to Claudio Sanchez of Coheed and Cambria. Changing the strings and doing the intonation seems like a nightmare though.
@CodyTheGuitarist
@CodyTheGuitarist Жыл бұрын
Same, a shame he really only brings it out for Welcome Home tho
@Dzeroed
@Dzeroed Жыл бұрын
Omg that resonance? My mind is doing somersaults thinking of the amazing tunings you could do, you coul have them tuned totally different and have harmonic overtones from the resonance effect 🤘🤤🤘 Edit: Imagine the feedback fx you will be able to get!!! Oh I am so happy for you man, you're gonna have an Ernie Ball 😁👍
@narrativematrix9971
@narrativematrix9971 Жыл бұрын
Seems like a pain in the ass.
@OGEdger
@OGEdger Жыл бұрын
Warning: you're gonna look too cool on stage. Be careful. 🎸
@keithneal4410
@keithneal4410 Жыл бұрын
I play in a Eagles tribute band. I bought my double neck about two years ago. I went through a learning curve to get it ready to play on stage. The guitar added to the sound and the look for a complete experience. Have fun with yours.
@johnnydropkicks
@johnnydropkicks Жыл бұрын
“I play in an Eagles tribute band.” I’m sorry. Just kidding. 😊
@jwilder2251
@jwilder2251 Жыл бұрын
Your “Love Alive” sound is killer! That justifies the double-neck purchase in my book - criminally underplayed song!
@kismetcapitan
@kismetcapitan Жыл бұрын
I might be one of the few people who have played doubleneck guitars almost exclusively for decades. Not gonna lie, the EDS-1275 ended up being sold on; the 20 frets were just a deal killer. BTW the reason for the design is that the basic Gibson doubleneck layouts predate the SG by many years, and the EDS-1275 is basically a solidbody version of the semi-hollow doublenecks Gibson originally designed and built (hence the 20 frets). Changing 18 strings is a chore, but Sperzel locking tuners greatly accelerate the process. And as far as headstock layout, doublenecks where the 6 string neck is 6-inliine and reversed, avoids the tuning awkwardness. One could also swap to banjo-style tuners like on the Gibson Firebird.
@charlesrocks
@charlesrocks Жыл бұрын
That is a KILLER guitar. I love Double Neck SGs. What a beautiful and creative instrument! It keeps guitar playing and songwriting interesting and WIDE OPEN.
@chrissullivan9143
@chrissullivan9143 Жыл бұрын
That sympathetic resonance sound is very interesting, I think something really cool could be found if it were played with! I'm surprised that some of the iconic double neck guitarists like Page or Lifeson never composed a song using it! I think playing the 12 string off while 6 is on could yield something interesting!
@dln8393
@dln8393 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I watched an interview where ace frehley said he used a double neck on his song "Fractured Mirror" and he said he played the 6 string with both necks on and let the 12 string side ring out
@Fuff63
@Fuff63 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this and very helpful thx. Would using a volume pedal while doing that resonant vibration thing be cool ? - you know, to fade it in and out? [I don’t own a double neck - are there two output jacks?]. Cheers.
@mbcarlson
@mbcarlson Жыл бұрын
That sympathetic resonance effect is super cool! That would be perfect for a song intro.
@mikej70
@mikej70 Жыл бұрын
You can hear it in the song remains the same during stairway did it often playing stairway. fractured mirror by ace frehley. Really cool sound the notes really ring out
@vojtechfryc994
@vojtechfryc994 Жыл бұрын
John McLaughlin in mahavishnu orchestra used the resonance to great effect
@andyderby150
@andyderby150 Жыл бұрын
I played a EDS 1275 at guitar center a long time ago it was extremely heavy slightly out of tune it was like holding a piano, I thought I leave this to page my les paul is heavy enough.
@tehmessiah5617
@tehmessiah5617 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know anything about double neck guitars but I highly recommend you move that Salt lamp out of you guitar room because it encourages rust!
@kevintaylor5079
@kevintaylor5079 Жыл бұрын
For the average player this axe is useless.The 10 issues he noted are too many to justify the high price . The guitar is for those who have to have a collection. Money is no object for some . God bless them
@frankcarter6427
@frankcarter6427 Жыл бұрын
hope you get on with it better than I did, I had the Epi and found it unplayable - tuning, weight , but the main issue was neither neck being in a playable position - I was severely disappointed as I wanted to be jimmy Page when I was a lad
@stefanthorpenberg887
@stefanthorpenberg887 Жыл бұрын
The neck dive on doubleneck SGs are quite aggressive. I use a Dimarzio strap that has a sling - it was said to be for bass guitars with long necks.
@orquestraoceanica1245
@orquestraoceanica1245 6 ай бұрын
Great review, very insightful! Thanks, keep on rockin!
@bobbcobb8925
@bobbcobb8925 Жыл бұрын
Rush Xanadu live 1981 for master class on how to operate an ES 1275
@richardcummings1167
@richardcummings1167 Жыл бұрын
Set the 6 string to an open tuning and let the resonance flow while playing the 12 string. Neck selector in the center position, of coarse
@cobra02411
@cobra02411 Жыл бұрын
I have the Epiphone version and the sympathetic resonance is the coolest part of it. I always play with both necks and it has a massively full sound due to that. I remember playing once feeling like somehow I became a rock god overnight then I realized it was just that resonance. I found my neck heavy and a little hard to manage at times but it's a super cool guitar.
@steveelling9604
@steveelling9604 Жыл бұрын
How much does it weigh? Only his chiropractor knows for sure. 😛
@nascargas
@nascargas Жыл бұрын
As far as string changes go, its a period of peace for me. I can go through and actually spend the afternoon changing out the strings in all my guitars. 18 strings would be fun imho. As far as switching during a live performance, the only thing you should consider is the placement of the toggle. Have your amp righr at that sweet spot where the 12 is ringing clear at 1/3 volume and the 6 is breaking at 5/8 volume to shred nasty at full. Or keep them both clean....its up to you. Distort pedal for the crunch. Gotta remember leads can switch pick-ups and hit pedals to nail those bridges for lead tones. The toggle is up high or on the other side for LPs or Strats. On yours its out there in the field between two rivers. Reaching back and sweeping down while hitting your pedal...(or having the 6 ready for lead as mentioned above) will keep the flow natural.
@ducamuk
@ducamuk Жыл бұрын
I have the Epiphone version of that guitar. And yes, I have experienced everything you have discussed in this video. The biggest annoyance for me was the neck dive. They are still beautiful guitars, though. Congrats on your purchase. Keep on rockin! ✌️
@randyteta9170
@randyteta9170 Жыл бұрын
Epiphone here too it was my dream guitar, I have the white one
@onusgumboot5565
@onusgumboot5565 Жыл бұрын
I have one too. Move the strap button down to the six string neck. Actually I just added one down there. No more neck dive. Improves the balance incredibly.
@blackinblue11
@blackinblue11 Жыл бұрын
I tried Epiphone version, by standing up I found the issue with balance, much leverage neck wise..so have to be fairly quick in switching necks or the necks would dive away
@bradygoodmanofficial
@bradygoodmanofficial Жыл бұрын
I’m a wish kid, and I got one of the slash signature series double necks that Gibson replicated a few years ago. Once I finally got it, I played it for hours amongst hours once I got home. (I even got to miss school the next day). The thing sounds so sweet and crisp, but the really disappointing part about it all was/is how difficult it it to reach that 20th fret! I can only reach it when I (vertically) lower my wrist, and very uncomfortably reach my finger around the thick neck it has. Another thing on that: I believe they modeled the EDS model the way they did because of the guitar body being too light in comparison to the chunky necks and the headstocks. Like you said, it’s only around 11-12lbs, likely 65% of that or so, coming from the neck and headstocks. I did not expect it to be that top-heavy! Especially while standing- it’s very awkward, but I’ve managed to get used to the 12 string neck being at about my mid-torso, and the 6 by/ just beneath my belt. But yeah, I’ve used mine during rehearsals, and I can’t stand swapping necks while kicking on the distortion!!! I had to do that for our Knockin on heaven’s door cover (GnR). That’s another song you should practice that transition on lol. It’s a pain, but man it sounds beautiful on either neck. Rock on man! You’ll come to enjoy it more and more as time goes.
@larrywong5793
@larrywong5793 Жыл бұрын
Man, when I see this double neck, I immediately think about Xanadu
@TomLaios
@TomLaios Жыл бұрын
I built one from a kit, my biggest gripes being re-stringing, tuning and the horrific neck diving. My guitar teacher had one back in the early 80s, that we were allowed to play if we mastered our lessons well.
@1mespud
@1mespud Жыл бұрын
Besides the occasional if not uncontrollable neck dive, you've pretty much covered all the issues when it comes to dealing with a double neck guitar. I have a Danelectro 6/12. As a novelty, the 6 side is strung as a baritone which I find to be a lot of fun.
@davidbanta7303
@davidbanta7303 Жыл бұрын
welcome to the double neck world,,I had an Epi 1275 for years and had a lot of fun with it,,they can be a challenge on stage because the extra pounds of it add up the longer you play it,,,I used mine on several songs and learned to only do one or 2 songs at a time with it because it does get heavy after more than 2,,,enjoy
@teresathomley3703
@teresathomley3703 Жыл бұрын
John McLaughlin. Everyone should listen to the Mahavishnu Orchestra. I think he almost exclusively used a double neck.
@WalterDiamond
@WalterDiamond Жыл бұрын
He ordered a double neck SG but it wasn't ready in time for the first record. He toured with it shortly after and it was the only electric he played live until his Rex Bogue Double Rainbow was ready. I have no knowledge of him using any more double necks live in post-Shakti MahOrc lineups.
@skippydog7053
@skippydog7053 Жыл бұрын
Maybe these needs the g-force tuners - or at least the 6 string
@TomGrubbe
@TomGrubbe Жыл бұрын
A Les Paul version of that would be 40 pounds lol.
@riangarianga
@riangarianga Жыл бұрын
I never played such a guitar, it was very informative. Thanks! I guess I'd approach that switch of guitars within a song you mentioned slightly differently. Before the switch, I'd have both guitars on, while I'm still playing clean on the 12-string (you get that harp effect for some brief moments, haha). Then I'd just worry about moving my hands to the 6-string and turning on the distortion, while I'd mute the 12-string with my arm. I think this could sound smoother, the tail of the 12-string wouldn't be killed so sharply. Then I'd switch the 12-string off at some other point, when I'd be a bit more free. Personally, I find that combining too many things at once is a recipe for disaster.
@TheRockinDonkey
@TheRockinDonkey Жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, glad to see you're happy with the guitar. Really cool things I never would have even thought about with a multi-neck guitar, but definitely makes sense. That sympathetic resonance is something that I would have hours of fun (and probably frustration) with.
@markleyva3108
@markleyva3108 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations! That's my ultimate dream guitar too. I recently bought an inexpensive double neck to scratch that itch, and immediately realized a lot of the issues you have. 1. Seven tuners are blocking each other, so it's difficult to tune and really difficult to change those strings. 2. 20 frets is a good thing...probably helps the physics on the otherwise wicked neck dive. 3. Only issue with both necks on is that (like the middle position of a 2-pup guitar) you get an overall weaker signal. Would be really cool to set the 12 in an open tuning, then let it drone over some single note stuff on the 6. 4. Mine has the full stop tailpieces and they just add weight to a heavy guitar; Gibson has the right idea. 5. 18 strings is a LOT to change. I did that, a setup, and a pickup swap (x4!) at the same time. Took a few hours. 6. Yes, the too high/too low effect is real. 7. My impression of weight was the same. Heaviest I own, but getting essentially a second guitar for just a few more pounds is cool. 8/9. No comment. LOL 10. Yeah, I was a bit surprised about the stand thing too...I was expecting to use two wall hangers to display it, but didn't consider that I'd need a new floor stand too. Mine is irregularly shaped as well, so it doesn't want to rest on the floor w/o leaning hard. I did find an interesting hack...Do NOT try this with your Gibby though (my double-neck was $400, not $8k). It will hang on a single wall hanger (with the hanger between the necks), resting on the inner points of the two headstocks. Looks perilous af, and probably is, but it was surprisingly stable and the necks are particularly resistant to any outward pressure in that direction. I never intended to keep it that way, but posted a pic in a facebook group and nearly broke the internet with people worrying about my guitar. One final note from me... the neck dive is so hard on the one I have that playing lead stuff on the 6 is nearly impossible; you have to truly hold the neck end up with your fretting hand, so it loses a lot of mobility. Playing the guitar sitting isn't bad, but standing with it is a major challenge. I do believe that's why the iconic images in our heads of Page or Felder playing leads has them holding it with the necks pointed at the ceiling...that's the only way to really free up your fretting hand. Hopefully your 20-fret (i.e., shorter) neck offsets some of that. As for stage performance...my buddy (a wickedly good player) has a double-neck that he places on a stand for live performance. Seems to work fine for him. Super jelly about your Gibson...that is an inspiring thing of beauty. Enjoy! Summary for all others considering a double-neck splurge: if you aren't familiar with how it feels to hold/play one, try one first; doesn't have to even be the exact one you're going to purchase. But at least get a feel for the weight, girth, and playability quirks before spending your money, especially if you're spending more than a lot of peeps' cars are worth.
@SteveOuimette
@SteveOuimette Жыл бұрын
Ace Frehley used one of these (his was the 12-string plus mandolin version like Robbie Robertson's) on his solo album on Fractured Mirror. He used the middle switch setting in the intro to let the strings sympathetically resonate while he played the other neck. It's a great sound. 20 frets???! Never knew that!
@SteveOuimette
@SteveOuimette Жыл бұрын
Actually, I meant the setting you used on #8. Yep, sympathetic resonance!
@klepetar
@klepetar Жыл бұрын
1st thing.. bank account depleted..
@XxStarFoxWolfFalcoxX
@XxStarFoxWolfFalcoxX Жыл бұрын
I want one of those its one of my dream guitars ever since I started playing guitar. Guitar Hero got me into guitars and didn't know the names or what brand or anything about them until I studied them and the sounds and other things interesting about guitars. That guitar is a beast I want one someday.
@gaudetgaming
@gaudetgaming Жыл бұрын
I found some similar things that felt new when I picked up the epiphone version of this guitar. The minor weight difference, neck, tuner trap, string change is a chore, etc. However one minor gripe is the toggle that switches between 12 and 6 doesn't always work, and the click sounds loud (mind you yours is probably built better) but otherwise, I love it
@jimwalshonline9346
@jimwalshonline9346 Жыл бұрын
Backache?
@firepheonix2530
@firepheonix2530 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if this stands for all gibsons, but be carful about the tuning stability issues
@markleyva3108
@markleyva3108 Жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah...a Gibson with three G strings... I have experienced the Gibson tuning curse before, and a buddy of mine has it bad on his ES339. But for the most part I am able to keep my Gibsons in tune; just needs good setup and some experience with string stretching and tuning.
@paulschedler
@paulschedler Жыл бұрын
I see you figuring all this out and it's great! I went thru ALL of this! Hope your show is awesome. From your excellent demo I think you'll do fine! The more you play it, the more natural it feels! Peace
@kdlflyballer8977
@kdlflyballer8977 Жыл бұрын
I do not have a Gibson SG, but when I got my Gibson Double Neck, I really like the feel and sound of the six string neck. It has the strings that came with the double neck, so I don't know if its the gage of the strings or if its the way its built. Feels much better than my Les Paul. P.S. I do have an issue with neck-dive. Love my Gibson Double Neck.
@JayMoreau
@JayMoreau Жыл бұрын
6:15 end of over the hills and far away
@skipsterz
@skipsterz Жыл бұрын
Love SGs! They look so good in white. I have a white 95 special. Congrats on your sweet new double neck!!
@RockingMarshall
@RockingMarshall Жыл бұрын
A Fractured Mirror cover please by Ace Frehley
@FrehleyBurst9-1878
@FrehleyBurst9-1878 Жыл бұрын
If you are old enough to remember the KISS video for Don Kirshner's Rock Concert show (Way before bands did music videos) of KISS playing Hard Luck Woman in 1976 off the Rock and Roll Over LP then you will remember the very iconic scene of Ace and Paul playing a EDS-1275 at the end of the song. Ace is standing right behind Paul (Who has the guitar strapped on) and Paul is playing the 6 string while Ace is strumming the 12 string neck. I had a T-shirt made of that scene and it's one of the T-shirts that KISS fans always compliment me about. The scene is around the 3 minute mark. That EDS-1275 is a 1967 rare factory Sunburst (Has the real long 12 string headstock) and was used to record King of the Night Time World from the Destroyer LP. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5qchqqJmLmtmKc
@greeneyedmonstrosity
@greeneyedmonstrosity Жыл бұрын
I have a Carvin 6/12 double. Couple things I have found. 1) I like replacing the the G octave string with a matching gauge in unison. That little thing loves to snap at the wrongest time. 2) Don't thing too much when transitioning from one to the other. The minute I think about it, I start anticipating it, aaaaaaaand I botch it. 3) Space the songs you use it for. Mine weighs in at 14 pounds. That starts to grind me down 3/4 way through the song. Cheers.
@jravell
@jravell Жыл бұрын
That sympathetic resonance is my favourite thing of the year!
@8KilgoreTrout4
@8KilgoreTrout4 Жыл бұрын
This is so sweet bro. Huge Led Zep guitar influences for my playing and beginnings :)
@waynegram8907
@waynegram8907 Жыл бұрын
THE ART OF GUITAR, try to make a 12 string licks lesson of 70s,80s, 90s bands that used 12 string chords and licks to make a video lesson
@wjsguitars
@wjsguitars Жыл бұрын
I've been wanting one for years. My concern was always the weight. Looking forward to your review.
@teresathomley3703
@teresathomley3703 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful guitar. Sounds incredible- especially that sitar stuff (the sympathetic resonance.) Does sound very Zeppelin-esque.
@yaminub
@yaminub Жыл бұрын
I have gigged a few times with my 6/12 doubleneck. I would always be sure to have time to check the tuning on the 12 string before starting a song using it. Often I would use it for the beginning of a second set, having tuned it on break.
@stevelongo2334
@stevelongo2334 Жыл бұрын
Good video! I use my double neck for 2 songs live. Xanadu and Closer to the Heart. It's a Rush tribute band. It really is a great guitar and I am happy to own one.
@BrentAdams
@BrentAdams Жыл бұрын
I had an old "Vester" Doubleneck that I used a few times LIVE. While I appreciated what I had the capability of doing... I found that it wasn't as well suited for me. I could easily get by with other means. I sold it. I still love the looks (personally) of a Doubleneck of stage...my venues weren't the best suited for it IMHO.
@normbarrows
@normbarrows Жыл бұрын
Most informative. I'm planning a twin neck build, and this helps identify potential issues. Many won't apply in my case as the guitar will be a 12 string tail tuner combined with a 6 string headless. being headless, there won't be clearance issues with the tuners. Locking tuners for the 12 string will help speed up re-strings. Steinberger "R" trems are easy to string up in the first place. Both necks are 24 frets (of course!). Looks like I should wire it for both single and dual output jacks. What do you think - stereo as well? Not sure what can be done about "one neck too high and the other too low". You need a certain minimum amount of space between necks for access, and you need a certain amount of space around the picking area to avoid hitting things (like the other neck's strings). 6" apart would likely be the minimum at both ends. 9" would be nicer, but would make the "too low too high" issue worse. How far apart are the necks on yours - centerline to centerline?
@back_stabbath9729
@back_stabbath9729 Жыл бұрын
Daron Malakian used one of these on Aerials and got the clean sound by using the 12 string pickups while playing on the 6 string neck as you demonstrated. I always thought that was a really interesting little tidbit and is good for some really neat in-between sounds.
@danieljules
@danieljules 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for these tips, Mike. They were helpful when I built my homemade double neck out of two Squiers (9 pounds 5 ounces): kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6G1pKWtfJmbhsk
@rg1355
@rg1355 Жыл бұрын
I took the 2 octave strings off the low E and A. Like the B.C. Rich 10 string. Lets you play power chords AND really cleans up the low end
@dustinsutton6166
@dustinsutton6166 Жыл бұрын
I own a double neck, and have instances like you referred to with switching quickly between necks and kicking on distortion for the 6 string, it would seem like it's a good idea to leave both necks on, but if you do, the 12 string will cause feedback if it's turned on. It can be a cool effect if you want it to be, but it can also be a nightmare if you're not expecting it. You've probably already figured that out, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
@TheWhiteLightning
@TheWhiteLightning Жыл бұрын
The white double-neck just makes me think of Steve Clark. Towards the end of the Hysteria tour he whipped this bad boy out for Die Hard the Hunter. Killer stuff!
@DamnedEyez
@DamnedEyez Жыл бұрын
I don't know if I'd change all 18 strings at once all of the time...maybe 6 at a time with varying amounts of time in between, unless I was up for the 'challenge'. As for the stand, there are those base only stands like you showed that are made to be small enough to stash in the bag/case. I've got some foldable Ibanez ones, but I know other companies have made them.
@ravenstarr30
@ravenstarr30 Жыл бұрын
To switch between, you could either just leave it in the middle, or just work on hit the switch and dropping down or going up in one motion. There's a lot of guitarists that are really good at putting switch changes flawlessly into their picking technique that you barely notice they did it (SRV was really good at that, he always kept it in one natural motion with everything else he was doing)...
@JabunAudio
@JabunAudio Жыл бұрын
Hope you have a blast with your Doubleneck journey! I can't speak for the SG doubleneck, but I've always managed to get away with a standard guitar stand with just the 12-string neck in the stand "pocket", though you'd have to check you're happy with the support and ballance. The 20 frets thing was a dealbreaker for me on the SG, so I ended up building my own. Oh! Fun tip, if you roll the volume down on one neck, you can use the the neck switch as a killswitch, or set one neck to a lower gain type sound if you're using some overdrive. I used the latter a fair bit if I wanted to wander around (stage) away from my pedalboard when switching from "clean(ish)" to overdriven sounds :)
@MichaelMartin-eh6wl
@MichaelMartin-eh6wl Жыл бұрын
Having watched Rik Emmett play a double neck for at US Fest '83, you can see him turning down the volume on one neck or the other to keep that resonance out. It looks like fun to play, but maybe a little tricky live. Hope you enjoy it. I've wanted one for years too. (Apparently Rik doesn't use his anymore due to the weight, but if it's only 2 lb's more than a Les Paul, maybe they've become lighter.)
@SpiderSkot
@SpiderSkot Жыл бұрын
I built an Ibanez RG doubleneck 12/6 that works the same way. One thing I will heavily advise before playing it live is to make sure both guitars are absolutely in tune with each other lol. My band was doing Zeppelin's Heartbreaker and Livin' Lovin' Maid one of the couple times I've played it onstage. I checked the tuning quickly by ear beforehand, and the 12 itself was in tune, but had gone slightly flat compared to the 6, so that when I switched, it was horrible. Also, as far as a stand goes, believe it or not, it will sit in a standard cradle type stand, with one neck supported. The base keeps it stable so it won't tip over. It's not optimal, but it does work. Good luck and have fun!
@utubehound69
@utubehound69 Жыл бұрын
Good luck finding G strings for the 12 string side. Hint GB Gitty Cigar Box Gtr Co will hook you up w/G strings that will fit.
@PanDownTiltLeft
@PanDownTiltLeft Жыл бұрын
I’ve had one of these sitting in my closet for about 20 years now. It’s fun but the neck field was always weird for me.
@noodlesatf
@noodlesatf 11 күн бұрын
Don Felder's doubleneck was stereo out (two mono jacks, one per neck), so he switched between the necks by switching amps. Obviously, one of those things that's only practical for a highly successful touring band on a big stage.
@bowelrupture
@bowelrupture 19 күн бұрын
I got an OLP MM612 double neck. What i noticed is when you go from the mid-position to the 6-sting only position, the output level increases. It works very well when playing solo's, because you don't have to boost the volume. The switch does that.
@jmthompson437
@jmthompson437 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on getting the guitar on most guitarists' wish/dream list. Too cool...too beautiful!
@thebreakfastmenu
@thebreakfastmenu Жыл бұрын
I have tried a couple myself. I found them more unwieldy than they were worth, personally.
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