10 Things You Must Know Before Building with AppGyver | Introduction to AppGyver and Review

[@andythedishwasher1117]

This was extremely helpful! I just started an LLC called The Code Kitchen with the intention of moving into the no-code/low-code development space, and this was a vital piece of market research. I'm actually working on a cross-platform HQ app for web, ios, and Android to simultaneously demonstrate what I can do on the platform and process potential clients into my workload. I'm probably going to want push notifications about contact events specific to the app and not just in the form of email pings or something, so thanks for the warning about that potential headache. I recently went through it on a prototype build in Flutter Flow, and I'm not looking forward to diving into it on a new platform in invisible JS instead of visible Dart, but I suppose that's the sort of adventure you have to be down for if you want to get into this game. Thanks again dude! Liked and subscribed!

[@deboraha6696]

How was your experience with Flutter Flow

[@andythedishwasher1117]

@@deboraha6696 As a first timer approaching backends, I'd say it was pretty decent. However, I don't think it's worth the money unless you need an extremely quick workflow for something relatively simple. Otherwise, you're going to run into headaches configuring anything very complex.

[@deboraha6696]

@@andythedishwasher1117 That makes sense - what did you end up using to build out your app? I'm running into the issue of how to use a no-code solution with a good UI builder and advanced features with a scalable and affordable backend/database.

[@andythedishwasher1117]

@@deboraha6696 Currently, I have my Appgyver build hosted on my domain, but I've since been working on my own low-code implementation of Vue 3. It was really just a skills demo partially meant to test both my and appgyver's capabilities.

[@basheerphiri1966]

Great video. I'm sure someone has said this already... But you can now setup push notifications on bubble with the one signal plugin or any external api with the API Connector

[@SiliconAlley]

That's great news! I figured it was coming at some point so good to note that feature is now included.

[@carolineb3712]

Great video! I’m am really new to all of this so it can be overwhelming to figure out what to use. Really insightful video, so thank you!

[@saibabubijja3441]

Hello, I built cashback website using wordpress CMS, can we create cashback application using appgyver without having any issues?

[@SiliconAlley]

I'd need to better understand what you've built on Wordpress. I don't see why not, but it depends on how complex and technically deep your product goes.

[@saibabubijja3441]

@@SiliconAlley I used cashback plugin so the functionality of the website depends on the plugin, is there any chance to use the plugin source code to use on appgyver to get the same cashback functionality for application?

[@SiliconAlley]

@@saibabubijja3441 Ah I see. Here's what you can do to test. Don't recreate the entire app but create a new project. There's a component that allows you to write custom code. Try using the source code in that component to see how it works. Additionally, you could use the webpage wrapper that allows you to create an app that essentially acts as a wrapper for your existing Wordpress site. We used that component to embed some of our existing webpages through an in-app browser. Try those two things on a test app to see if either works.

[@saibabubijja3441]

@@SiliconAlley thanks, I will try, one more thing can we insert Google admob ads on appgyver application? Did you ever try it brother?

[@SiliconAlley]

@@saibabubijja3441 I never tried on AG. There were others that did. If you go and search the AppGyver Forums I'm sure you'll find the most up to date answer.

[@MK-jn9uu]

Gawd thank you for saving me hours in the google rabbit hole

[@SiliconAlley]

Happy to help! I spent many many hours myself which is why I made the video to help save other people time. :)

[@iam_nick]

What do you think about Flutterflow?

[@SiliconAlley]

I've heard good things and the UI looks easy to use, but I have not personally tried it myself up to this point.

[@ezekieljatto9192]

I wish I started with flutter flow bro. I would have gone far. It would have saved me one year

[@fernandotiradoserna3709]

is it possible to integrate advertising into appgyver?

[@SiliconAlley]

There is a way. I haven't done it personally but if you go on the AppGyver forums there are threads and folks who can help you get it figured out.

[@Gavin-Mac]

Two big negatives - they have a lot of bugs in their data logic and they do not disclose when they’re having issues on their status pages.

[@SiliconAlley]

That's a great point! Often times bugs pop up on data logic (even if it was working properly). I've found you have to jump on the forums to get a response.

[@WalkUsThrough]

Thanks for this review! Do you have a video on how to step by step turn my website to App for IOS using Appgyver?

[@daniellemclean6896]

Can a startup patent an algorithm built in appgyver?

[@SiliconAlley]

I'm not entirely sure. I'd read through the Terms of Service. I could imagine you could develop it on AppGyver and then to apply for the patent you'd most likely need to own the underlying code which through AppGyver you don't. That is why you can't just port your project over. I am not an attorney so I'd start by reading the Terms of Service, talking to an attorney, and even emailing the AppGyver support team. If it's a hard no they'll know, but if there is a way then I'd focus on speaking with an attorney to ensure it's doable.

[@SiliconAlley]

Thinking about this in more depth and ideally your algorithm is a backend function not something that would exist on AppGyver. You’d likely want to build the algo outside of AppGyver and use APIs to tie it in. That way none of your algorithm is exposed in the AppGyver build.

[@daniellemclean6896]

@@SiliconAlley thanks so much for your reply. I just found your podcast too! What you said makes perfect sense. I think both comments are solid but building out algo outside of AG sounds like the best route. I'm curious what they will say. I'll reach out and let you know what I learn. thx again

[@SiliconAlley]

@@daniellemclean6896 Yes please do let me know! Building the algo outside of AppGyver makes the most sense. When you build the source code to the front end will be exposed so that means even with a patent someone could copy it and change a few things and you would be screwed.

[@ready4cheeseburger]

I would like to use AppGyver to do a scoring app, say we select a few criteria and the app would then be able to compute the score, think of it like an excel behind. Would you know what backend I should be using?

[@SiliconAlley]

You could use a number of options for the backend. Are you wanting to store the scores and compare them to others or simply act as a calculator type function?

[@ready4cheeseburger]

@@SiliconAlley maybe for the time being just a calculator, but I would need to associate certain answers to a score, then then score would have a weightage which will be use to compute the overall score.

[@gldn1487]

Hi, do you think it is possible to create a barber schedule app where people just log in, choose one of our shops, the barber and then they see the available hours and chose theirs, also different times for different services. Is it asking too much? THANK YOU

[@SiliconAlley]

You can definitely create a scheduling app. I'd start with designing the interface and how you want it to look. Then you have a few options on the backend. Do you want customers to create accounts or just simply sign up for a time slot by inputting a few details?

[@gldn1487]

​@@SiliconAlley Im getting interested in appgyver, i think i can get most of the app done but i have a couple questions about the schedule part... for exemple im not sure how to make this path or if i should do another one, the costumer selects the day- selects the service (hair 30mins / hair and beard 1h) - it shows available times - he selects it and that available time disapears.. maybe like this?? i think ppl would prefer to just sign the slot but account is probably better for safety or trolls around my appoitments no? :D also, with appgyver i can use firebase for the whole backend right?

[@SiliconAlley]

@@gldn1487 Yes I'd use FIrebase for the entire backend based on what you've said. There are advantages to no account creation versus requiring account creation. It's really up to the type of User Expereince you want to provide and if you want to save preferences/contact details for returning customers.

[@mikep6967]

Thanks man this helps. Its still overwhelming but this definitely helps

[@SiliconAlley]

Glad it's helpful! Yes building software even with no code tools still has a steep learning curve. Natural to feel a bit overwhelmed. Just keep taking small steps forward and you'll be amazed how far you can get over time.

[@estatesdatabaseclub]

great video , do you think i can build a restaurant food delivery with payment gateway on Appgyver ?

[@SiliconAlley]

You likely can

[@SiliconAlley]

But is this a fun project or actual business?

[@browneye1968]

Hi, is AppGyver able to build a really functional App like Uber which can be deployed in real life, which also encompasses Backend Data Storage, API, Admin Dashboard, Payment System, etc., just like what Uber or Grab can do

[@SiliconAlley]

AppGyver can build the front end UI, but all of the complex work will need to happen on the backend. If you can build a robust backend and hook it up to AppGyver using their APIs that would be the way to approach it. The UI functions are there on the front end in AppGyver but admin dashboard, backend payments, data storage have to happen outside of AG.

[@browneye1968]

@@SiliconAlley Thank you so much for the reply, I appreciate it. I was actually choosing between AppGyver and Bubble but I don't want a Static App. I want a real App that works in real time. So I guess I'd go for Bubble

[@SiliconAlley]

@@browneye1968 If you are looking for everything to be in one place then Bubble may be the best fit. The only thing to be aware of is how push notifications will work on Bubble. That was the limitation I had, but I'm sure someone has solved for that at this point.

[@browneye1968]

@@SiliconAlley Thanks a lot 🙏

[@SiliconAlley]

@@browneye1968 Happy to help!

[@innocentnwafor4396]

Really helpful Thank God for Appgyver

[@SiliconAlley]

It's awesome there is an accessible free tool for building apps out there!

[@JD-ds2or]

I am looking for a native app that will work offline. It sounds like appgyver will do this. Do you know if bubble will as well?

[@yashudaysingh6011]

Exactly what i was looking for

[@SiliconAlley]

Awesome! I'm glad to hear it!

[@jay13rcop49]

What is written on your cap? I am from South Africa as you can guess...

[@SiliconAlley]

It's World Cup 2010 South Africa! I was lucky enough to be at the opener SA vs. Mexico and saw a few other games over the first 8 days of the tournament. Where in South Africa?

[@tip6187]

Great video! Very informative. I will be starting my app building journey this week 🙌🏽

[@SiliconAlley]

Nice! glad you found it helpful. What type of app are you starting with?

[@tip6187]

@@SiliconAlley I own a dance company and need to build an app that I can use to keep my students informed between classes.

[@SiliconAlley]

@@tip6187 Nice! That is exciting and a cool use case. When you have it built feel free to post the link and happy to provide feedback/test things out if you need it

[@tip6187]

@@SiliconAlley I appreciate that very much! Thank you!

[@SiliconAlley]

@Wikacy Writing App if you can afford to build an app from scratch, maintain it properly, and take more time for development, then you aren't wrong. The issue is if you don't know how to code, don't have any money, and just want something that is good enough. You are right in saying you have more opportunity to build a better experience that way than using a no code tool. Just not everyone has the same resources or skillsets at their disposal which is why these no code and low code tools exist.

[@Mark-cj1vv]

Hi! Im watching this at 1am learning how to make app easily. My question is can i use gyver to develop an app which has different user, ex: VIP and Non-VIP user, VIP users are those users who purchase in app and others gets points and earn it overtime to unlock VIP items, i mean you get the idea. And can I put ads with gyver? thanks. You're a great help.

[@SiliconAlley]

Yes you can do that for sure! Depending on what features and pages you have in the app you can use app variables to define the user as VIP or not and then either show them extra pages/features or show like a pop-up upgrade for non VIP. A few different ways you can make that happen. For ads, I haven't done that but I know there are folks that have if you just search the forums.

[@paulagonzalez6820]

I have one question, if the app goes well and a lot of people downald it, you can have economic benefits?? Maybe it's and stupid question but I'm new in this world

[@SiliconAlley]

You can if you have a monetization strategy. You could use ads or you could have an app that people subscribe to. You could sell actual products. You should think through that before building your app though

[@kaushikbhattacharya7383]

Hi William, I'm struggling about 2 aspects of Appgyver - 1. Creating dev-test-prod environments, 2. Control over backing up specific versions. Would appreciate if you can suggest some workarounds.

[@SiliconAlley]

1. Unfortunately I don't have a good one for this. You can roll back changes using history for testing as you go. You can also ask the team to make a copy of your app. You'd have to then recreate everything twice or ask them to make copies each time you do major updates. 2. Backing up versions could be saving the build files you recieve. Then you can always have those. Again this is also the same issue with the first challenge is there is no way to bridge changes or roll back versions beyond about 50 saves in AG. I'd email the AG team and see if they have workarounds or ways to solve both of these.

[@bikerflyer563]

There are none. Your entire code base is dependent on their good graces.

[@UTJK.]

@@SiliconAlley did you receive an answer about these two questions from the AG team?

[@SiliconAlley]

@@UTJK. You can reach out and ask AG directly. I did not ask myself but encouraged the previous commenter to do so.

[@danielcortez7971]

Very helpful man! Thanks

[@obadohenry371]

Can i use Appgyver to create an App for a Logistics company?

[@SiliconAlley]

It depends on your use case. What do you want the app to do?

[@obadohenry371]

@@SiliconAlley They intend to use the app for dispatch riders to register to make deliveries. So can appgyver serve?

[@SiliconAlley]

@@obadohenry371 That's going to be backend heavy so it'll depend on what you use on the backend. What's your level of technical knowledge?

[@RikHaanen]

That is a good question. I am also interested in. In my research i came acrosse appsheet and appian. Although i am using AppGyever now, i might switch.

[@technovations6907]

Dear Williams really nice video, thank you for this informative video....💯💯💯

[@ezekieljatto9192]

Thank you so much sir. This was very helpful

[@SiliconAlley]

You are most welcome! Glad it was helpful.

[@ezekieljatto9192]

Coming back here after two years. Appgyver fell off.

[@davidkovach-tangier]

Really great video and I think the format of you talking on-screen is so informative and thorough and engaging. SAP was smart to buy this platform, and this definitely has incredible flexibility and seems to require more wiring of things vs. starting with a template out of the box. My question is though - APPERY and IONIC… In the no code shootouts and videos, why is Appery barely ever mentioned or known even it seems? I have focused on Adalo, Appery and Appgyver - but which do you think is easiest to have customized unique components or layouts? E.g. I want a button dropped literally right here on-screen down to the pixel vs. tied to a grid …. Or I want a whole new type of way of visualizing different types of data together and invent something to go beyond a grid or table component…. Which of these platforms do you lean to?

[@SiliconAlley]

Great question David! I have more experience with Adalo and AppGyver and less with Appery. AppGvyer you have to do more wiring and build out components versus templates to your point. Adalo has more templates out of the box and has some easy ways to integrate the backend. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Appery to give you a solid answer. I think for me the limiting factor is that every other platform offers a free plan to get started building whereas Appery puts you on the paid path right away. They may have a superior product but if you don't have a lot of cash and are just trying to figure out what the best option is to use their pricing structure limits dabbling. That being said I bet they have a stickier user base for those that get over the paywall hurdle. I know that doesn't answer your question but what I'd say is ask that question on each of their support forums or support emails and compare their responses.

[@Shriekreborn]

This didn't age well. Staff is MIA, doesn't answer difficult questions, and the entire platform feels like it's on part-time/life support staff.

[@SiliconAlley]

Good to know! They were acquired by SAP a year+ ago now so that is unfortunate. Thanks for sharing your more recent experience

[@RikHaanen]

I would expect SAP would put some weight behind it. Anybody knows if the support for the paid version is better and what pricing looks like?

[@junnypadayao4913]

Can I make a complex marketplace app in appgyver?

[@SiliconAlley]

You'll have to be more specific. What makes your marketplace complex?

[@abdulrahmantijani2646]

Hi, Do you think it's possible to use appgyver to build an app for scheduling tasks/study periods but with a simple algorithm for intervals between each task?

[@SiliconAlley]

Definitely possible! The algorithm you should keep on the backend and tie in through the APIs. That way it's not exposed in the front-end code when your app gets published to the app stores. You can definitely build it first on AppGyver and move the formula/algo after but you can for sure.

[@ezekieljatto9192]

Abdulrahman are you Nigerian like me?

[@orycroft2020]

Can you embed videos from platforms directly to your appgyver app?

[@SiliconAlley]

Yes you can. There are ways to embed videos and you can even pass them in dynamically if you have the backend setup properly to grab the correct URL.

[@wilsonumoh3241]

hi Thanks for your Videos, good one my brother. Please can you point me to videos on authentication setup on Appgyver using Firebase? Thanks in Advance Wilson

[@SiliconAlley]

Hi Wilson have you checked the AppGyver forum and documentation? I believe there are some high quality tutorials there that should have the answers to your question.

[@DivergentDroid]

I need to make a novelty app that resembles the Alien Trackers used in the Alien movies. The purpose of the app is to fake scan around you to detect things that are not really there. It's just a spoof app. Can I make that with this tool with no coding?

[@SiliconAlley]

Is this the type of app you are talking about? play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.joesdomain.motiontracker&hl=en_US&gl=US

[@SiliconAlley]

You can tap into the functions that you need on the phone. I'm not 100% sure how you'd program the logic for the dots to appear on the UI. Mostly becuase you have to think about how you want it to function. But I'm pretty sure you could figure it out once you had a vision for how you wanted it to function. I'd lean on the AppGyver forums and if you get stuck on part lean on their expertise to problem solve. My initial thought is yes especially since this likely doesn't need any backend so you can probably make this completely on AppGyver.

[@DivergentDroid]

@@SiliconAlley I'd want it to resemble that yes but this app would not be tracking aliens. It could even resemble a full round radar screen with a sweep arm.

[@DivergentDroid]

@@SiliconAlley Great. I'll look into it. Thanks.

[@SiliconAlley]

@@DivergentDroid Sounds good! Biggest pieces is getting the graphics right in my mind.

[@akashchauhan4142]

Very Informative buddy>

[@SiliconAlley]

Glad you found it helpful! Happy to help.

[@fullStackInKannada]

Nice, thank you for the video!

[@SiliconAlley]

Of course! Hope you found it helpful

[@modextywyt8581]

Great Video, I'm looking forward to developing an app the triggers camera, with press to take a snapshot, then press and hold to take a video depending on the length of holding it down, then upload to the admin for review. the uploaded file will deliver with the location coordinates and time it was taken as well as a brief form to fill about the description of the content captured. it should also come with a registration form for new users What would you recommend to a novice like me sir?

[@sayabencinikmat]

Would be happy if you created a course on how to build complex apps using appgyver

[@KaiBuskirk]

Can you do a Demo on your Push Notification System please! would love a starter kit! cheers, Kai

[@SiliconAlley]

I worked with a developer to tap into Firebase's push notification system that used firebase functions as the backend server. If I was doing it over again without any developer supplementation, Backendless has it built directly in. That would probably be what I'd do today. Though all of the tools are getting better so there may be even better options in the future.

[@rs707_]

Great video, key point for me is you cannot take the code, so good for mvp.

[@SiliconAlley]

Of course! That's going to the be the case for every no code platform out there currently. Great for a quick way to get out an MVP but you'll need to switch long-term most likely.

[@1229viennaMaki]

Your clock behind you does not move. Did you notice?

[@SiliconAlley]

Are you sure time just doesn't move slower when watching my videos 🙃

[@fidelis06]

Great video

[@SiliconAlley]

Thanks, Mitchie! Hope you found it helpful!

[@MrMwenesi]

Very informative video William. Does Appgyver do PWAs?

[@SiliconAlley]

They do not. AG actually builds in React Native so it functions as an actual mobile app. This gives you push notifications and a lot of other base functions built into the phone's operating system that a PWA does not do by default.

[@neoflies9229]

Very nice!

[@SiliconAlley]

Happy to help!

[@misterme4149]

Thanks:)

[@SiliconAlley]

Of course! I hope it was helpful!

[@KaiBuskirk]

Danke!!

[@SiliconAlley]

Happy to help!

[@sureshkumarraghavan2056]

Very well presented. I have just completed first AppGyver project to support local housing estates. I still facing two big issues. 1. Android version crashes with the page contains many radio buttons 2. iOS version built is just impossible. May be you can help… 😁

[@SiliconAlley]

Definitely head over to the AppGyver forums and search to see if someone has already answered the question. If not create two posts for each of the points above and the community will be able to help. 1. The first one about Android I am unsure. I used radio buttons sparingly so not sure why that is happening. Best to ask on the forums. 2. Without more context around why the iOS build doesn't work, I'm not really able to help. Is it the settings or you are able to hit build but it says failed every time?

[@SiliconAlley]

Forgot to say congratulations on completing your first project! It feels good to get to that stage and now you are in the bug fixing mode. Lol

[@sureshkumarraghavan2056]

@@SiliconAlley thank you.

[@SiliconAlley]

@Wikacy Writing App You've got to understand your target audience and the problem you are trying to solve. In the US iOS is still a dominant player with a lot of market share. It's not as cut and dry and depends on everyone's individual project, customer base, and use case.

[@yordidv6136]

@Wikacy Writing App I don't need accept payments ._.

[@mouradmourad2428]

Hello William Thanks for the amazing video, if you wouldn’t mind i want to ask you a couple of questions please. 1. i wondering if you’ve built ostrich with appgyver or a different platform and if yes could you tell me about your experience with using appgyver regarding the performance, speed, quality, native functionality and scalability. 2. does it really good for production phase or just mvp. 3. How about the capabilities and users if i have 300,000+ users will it handle it. 4. Does the workflows works well or bugs happens. Waiting for you reply, Thanks in advance

[@SiliconAlley]

Hi Mourad - I used it for production. It works fine and ties into the native functionality nicely. Your backend will determine a lot of the production capabilities. AG works fine otherwise. The builder will sometimes have bugs that you'll have to sort through. With each update they fix these typically but just like any other software product bugs will happen and you'll have to fix those.

[@lucasolari92]

I'm gonna say a harsh truth as an experienced software engineer : forget about using cross platform technology for apps development, especially if they are no code reqired/AI based apps. The only way to go to build robust and highly customizable apps is native. Use kotlin or java to build android apps or swift to build IOS apps. That's it. However if you just need a mock application for testing your apis or just have fun you can use services like this. Good coding

[@vince2nd]

This doesn't work for me, the fact that you can't take the code with you... Fk no. I'll stick with Flutterflow

[@SiliconAlley]

Yep no code is not for everyone for sure. If that's a major sticking point then best to avoid AG, Bubble, Adalo, and most everyone else...

[@vince2nd]

@@SiliconAlley Flutterflow allows you to export the code though. Not sure if you've done a video on them but you can look into it

[@WildManDanWMD]

No one else will risk telling the boss but, anyone older than 8 that wears a hat backwards is a dweeb.

[@SiliconAlley]

This made me laugh. I haven't heard someone use the word dweeb since the '90s

[@WildManDanWMD]

@@SiliconAlley 80s was when We used it Dweebs are software Gweebs hardware.

[@SiliconAlley]

@@WildManDanWMD Ah that's good to know. Didn't know the distinction.

[@3nityC]

Basically this is Unreal Engine for No Code

[@pushingpandas6479]

adalo is much better

[@SiliconAlley]

What makes it better? I didn't discover Adalo until after I'd built most everything I needed with AppGyver. I've only done some quick test products but what makes you like it more?

[@wasssu]

The main reason why you have only 18 likes is because people are not interested in viewing your face the entire video. Show them the platform, show how it works what are you trying to explain, etc. My 2 cents

[@SiliconAlley]

I don’t disagree. I unfortunately don’t have the bandwidth to edit a video like that atm. In the future that’s where I’d like to be

[@picolsquadd8603]

@@SiliconAlley we could edit it for you professionally

[@SiliconAlley]

@@picolsquadd8603 Thanks for the offer. What's your editing background?

[@brendanfarthing]

Just to throw in my 2 cents, I thought the best thing about this video was the focus on talking about each of those key points. I don't want to see the tool when this is a video about what to know 'before' using it. I would have been annoyed if it was filled with video/explanations of the platform getting in the way. It was a great video matching the title from someone with real world experience and really helped me get exactly the info I wanted.

[@SiliconAlley]

@@brendanfarthing I'm glad to hear that Brendan! Hopefully, it helped you make a decision. What are you aiming to build?

[@joseldeleon3374]

Need help with user log in through facebook and instagram

[@Mike-xw4gm]

Do you have Instagram

[@SiliconAlley]

I do. My personal one is @willyg_iii