10 Times Doctor Who REFUSED To Give Fans What They Wanted

[@WhoCulture]

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[@MrStarfighter14]

We also want to know what happened to the Doctor's daughter and how Jack lost his head to become the face of Boe.

[@sabinajoh]

I heard something about how Moffat wanted to include Jack in Hellbent?

[@Pips72]

I heard that Jack was meant to be at demons run and was beheaded by one of the monks

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

*Boe. Not "bode."

[@MrStarfighter14]

@@MaryAnnNytowl my bad, I'll change it.

[@carealoo744]

That want refused from us though. Jack almost got revealed as the face of now in A Good Man Goes to War.

[@Pencliff]

The antics of Matt, Karen and Arthur on Confidential was one of my absolute favourite things to air on television. I definitely need it back.

[@cherylwilliams9514]

Susan has come back. She’s in audio adventures with big finish

[@gestaltdude]

My only comment on is about the classic TARDIS interior. As someone who has been watching this show for around 45 years, I understand the pull of nostalgia. I remember being surprised and disappointed with the first reveal of the interior during Rose, but quickly understood the need for the change. I can imagine Russell, when coming up with the design, making the deliberate decision to move away from the older sets which were, quite frankly, born our of necessity, due to the limited budget of the classic show. Why not splash out now they have the money, show them what the TARDIS could be, and create something vibrant for the bigger TV's with much higher definition compared to 60 years ago. While it is nice to see the occasional reminder, let the old interior remain that; a nice piece of nostalgia seen infrequently, even if it comes across as little more than fan service.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

The classic interior is great for extra interior, need a corridor or a room? go classic its quick cheap an easy.

[@misterlau5246]

I 'd like to see the Secondary control room from Tom Baker' s all wooden and cozy etc. Just a little work on the appearance of the console and less psychedelic designs like 11th and 13th. I prefer the 12th's. The 9th, not bad, but I don't love it. But it was OK. So, my friend, yes. Those were the days when I believe you watched Doctor Who like a theatrical play, live, not minding about the production value, and the new trend is not of my liking, honestly... Cheers

[@bobbybobstar1496]

What a pointless whinge that was karen.. why don't you call corporate poppet.

[@gestaltdude]

@@bobbybobstar1496 You do realize people are allowed to have opinions that are different to yours, don't you? And that the whole point of the comment section with these videos is for people to share what they think of the content of the videos? That's all the comment was, one person, a life long fan of the show, offering an opinion on a relevant topic. The fact you feel the need to criticize it says a lot more about you than it does me. Not that I care whether you grasp these basic concepts or not, I don't give a damn whether you're offended or not, that's your problem. next time, try actually contributing to the conversation, instead of just attacking someone because you have no position of your own.

[@gestaltdude]

@@SuperFunkmachine Oh, very much so, and definitely better in many ways to other attempts to show the interior of the TARDIS. The abandoned pumping station that was used in The Invasion of Time was particularly jarring.

[@reeceemms1643]

I remember watching doctor who and then switching over to watch the confidentials, I guess that is one of the places where I got my fascination with how films and TV shows are made

[@Beansontoast93911]

I found it very boring

[@reeceemms1643]

@@Beansontoast93911 I guess it wasn't for everyone's taste and I think I stopped watching it eventually

[@Beansontoast93911]

@@reeceemms1643 well at least I enjoyed the main program 🫡

[@Talia20201]

​@@reeceemms1643pp

[@minicle426]

Having both the Sontarons and Rutans fighting each other onscreen.

[@hollymatton474]

I've really missed the format of Doctor Who Confidential and also the Christmas specials! My favourite tardis interior is ninth and tenth doctor's, maybe just because it was the first tardis I saw and I remember thinking how beautiful it was 😊

[@Mercure250]

Idk the classic interior is neat, but a little too minimalistic to my liking. I do think we need a good balance between clean futuristic look and enough details to let the eye wander and look at the interesting nooks and crannies. I feel late 11th's and 12th's (I count them as one because they are very similar) was one of the best in that respect. Especially considering it has round things.

[@j.r4007]

4:03 there is a christmas special called the church on ruby road. And also its a whole new story about ruby sunday and the doctor

[@DittoGTI]

And there's Joy to the World (?) which is the new Christmas special

[@spdrwrtr]

I feel more disappointed we don't get to see the 8th Doctor's Console Room rather than the Classic Room

[@troodon1096]

Honestly the 8th Doctor by far had the best Tardis.

[@thor6519]

I dislike that interior each to their own I guess

[@fadikhoory5350]

Susan should have replaced Clara in Twice upon a time, yes I understand it was all 12’s companions saying goodbye but come on, some cameo.

[@chrispy3369]

The 12th Doctor's era had a sense of finality to it. He had a final confrontation with Davros, found Galifrey, spent the night on Darillium with River Song, turned Missy/Master "good". He even met his original incarnation who in turn gives a fascinating reason for leaving Galifrey. The only thing that would've made it perfect was to have The Doctor meet Susan once again, showing how she escaped the Time War. Maybe this episode could've replaced the Doctor Mysterio thing we had in 2016.

[@obiwankenobi687]

It would have come from nowhere though

[@einezcrespo2107]

@@chrispy3369 I don't think Susan was directly involved in The Time War. She was last seen in the TV show returning to her proper timeline at the end of The Five Doctors. It won't make sense. Clara's appearance is much better for that sense of finality for 12th's era.

[@einezcrespo2107]

Won't work. Susan isn't part of 12th's tenure and as a cameo it will look weird.

[@chrispy3369]

@@einezcrespo2107 The Doctor made it clear that he was the last of the Timelords, post Time War. So I'm inclined to believe that every Time lord, including Susan was drafted in some way for the war, and "died" with the rest. A new Christmas special replacing the 2016 one could've shown how she escaped the conflict.

[@williamk52]

the control room aspects makes sense, the doctor is damaged and the tardis reflects that, as each season goes by it is slowly returning to its proper functioning state.

[@kmw4359]

I loved the bit when The Master tried to step in but The Rani kicked him in the shins and maintained control of the TARDIS.

[@joshuajoshua2732]

It's a revival not a reboot Doctor Who is a continual thing.

[@blackphoenix77]

We're not going to have Carol Anne Ford forever, so if she doesn't come back for next year's 60th anniversary, she probably never will.

[@brentholifield3213]

I think it was a big finish interview with Carol Ann Ford, she said she was willing to come back. But they (the BBC) do not want her to call him grandfather, but Doctor like everyone else. She has declined. She says it's her grandfather so she has every right to call him that.

[@jb888888888]

I guess we don't count Susan's return in "The Five Doctors" as a return?

[@richardconnold5207]

Absolutely! Do these people actually watch Doctor Who?

[@britishbeano]

Your right! Do you think they mean things to return to nuwho though?

[@kmw4359]

Or Dimensions in Time … which was actually shown in here!

[@joeypieper6384]

THANK YOU!

[@DittoGTI]

​@@kmw4359We don't talk about Dimensions in Time

[@joshuaverran9443]

For the interior i hope for Ncuti's TARDIS they bring back the round things make the console room just as big as McGann's and get rid of those Police Box doors from the inside and bring back the alien doors its accepted with Peter Cushing because he built the TARDIS but in the show its an alien spaceship that changes so they should bring that back.

[@jamiefitzpatrick4377]

I love having the Christmas special. Family members catching up on last season as we progressively gathered at our family home. Then after Christmas Dinner some having a nap and all convening for the Christmas special. I miss it.

[@mikeashe7270]

Glad we didn't get the rose spin off, she is in my bottom 5 companions. Just couldn't stand how much her character relied on her desire for the doctor and just treating micky like a doormat

[@QCS_AdamCole]

I've been begging to cast Richard Ayoade AS The Doctor, after Capaldi, but wr see how that turned out... Richard would be the perfect actor for the role. The perfect blend of quirky madman that we need back.

[@OnlineFanBoy]

I know something they refused to give us that isn’t in the list: a kiss scene between the Doctor and Yaz

[@jb888888888]

8:08 WTF NuWho wasn't a "reboot," you even talked about that a few minutes ago! It's a continuation.

[@tzarg]

idk how true this is because I simply just... wasn't there but I think daleks appearing has shifted from an "if" to a "when", like, you know they're gonna happen sometime now, but before it was slightly unknown

[@CamMcGinn1981]

I'd love to see the Console from The Five Doctors thru Survival make a come back. Just to see someone say, "Look at all those buttons"

[@David1988Mufc]

I second that.

[@jasonmistretta4295]

9:12. Come one now, Ellie. You represent WhoCulture. There is a definitive reason that you have to see at least 1 Dalek per series since Doctor Who came back in 2005. Terry Nation's estate owns the Dalek character. They have a contract with the BBC that if at least 1 Dalek does not appear in a Doctor Who series from 2005 onward, then Doctor Who loses the rights to the character forever. It was a clever move by the Terry Nation estate to continue to gain revenue through royalties for the future to come.

[@annapierce8666]

*Susan* is probably the most underrated companion in the entire *Dr* *Who* franchise 🧳

[@robertfeld5829]

She is. It's a shame.

[@FlagadossSupreme]

@@robertfeld5829 she is a shame *

[@robertfeld5829]

@@FlagadossSupreme How do you mean?

[@hardtrailrider3374]

Doctor who is a staple part of Christmas weather your a fan or not. Everyone should watch it

[@ScaryBaldMan]

Been saying for years how much I miss the classic console rooms. Would love to see a new one based on that aesthetic.

[@mayotango1317]

The Capaldi TARDIS?

[@ScaryBaldMan]

@@mayotango1317 Capaldi's was fantastic.

[@robertfeld5829]

I wish a version of the classic console room returns as well.

[@jellybabiesarecool4657]

We already have confirmation from DWM that a new dalek has been designed for Ncuti's run. Also, we're defo getting a Christmas special next year.

[@ShovelingJedi]

Aaaahh the pleasure of seeing What culture and Ellie Littlechild presenting.... Highlight of my day ☺️🤙

[@claudiotamburri9977]

Really ? She’s the worst host of all of whatcultre

[@Cooki3reaper]

it was a missed opportunity during the stolen earth ep since at the end rose did end up with the human/timelord version of the doctor which could have made its own spin off series and they could have started it, once david tenant regenerated since that happened only a few ep later and then he would be able to do that spin off, another good spin off would be clara and me's adventures and maybe even at somepoint them bringing back the doctor's daughter

[@heatherqualy9143]

Sorry, I’m confused. Are you saying they should have spun of to Rose and the Meta-crisis Tenth Doctor right after David left? Billie left. David left. They weren’t kicked off the show. They wanted to move on from full-time Doctor Who. Ignoring the fact that it would have completely sucked the emotion out of David’s final special, how would that have been moving on for them. They never would have agreed. I find it incredibly generous, showing their great gratitude, that they willingly return for special episodes when asked.

[@Cooki3reaper]

@@heatherqualy9143 yah i thought it would be a interesting show meta-crisis doctor and rose on the parallel earth, doing their own adventure along with some romance

[@reeceemms1643]

the thing with the Daleks though and why they can't get a rest is because the BBC is contracted to have them appear at least once every year, or they would lose the rights to the Terry Nation estate

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Apparently that's an urban legend because they didn't appear in every season. That's what I heard anyway.

[@reeceemms1643]

@@y_fam_goeglyd well that’s what my friend in college told me, and he is a hard core doctor who fan

[@brigadier-tc8565]

@@y_fam_goeglyd Yeeeeeeaaaaaah, but they have. It all started back before Series 1 came out, when the BBC announced that the Daleks would... not be returning, because of issues with Nation's estate. Eventually, they came to an agreement, which was never made public, and the Daleks returned. It became a theory around 2009, but by 2011, it was basically agreed upon that the Nation estate made it so the Beeb lost the rights if they weren't in every series. People first started saying it was a myth when Chibbers announced they weren't appearing in Series 11... then Resolution arrived, and so on ad nauseum

[@FreddieLane9001]

Very informative video! Love!

[@barthotymous]

apparently its a bit of a hot take, but I love 13's TARDIS interior. I get that its seemingly a little bit outlandish, but I don't think thats a bad thing. The Doctor is, at times, the definition of outlandish and wacky. The TARDIS interiors all have their own quirks; 9+10s seemed a bit small (at least, we never saw much outside of the console room) and had those branch things, 11s was VERY spacious, 11.5+12s was super circular and round (if that makes sense), and 13s was kind of cave like and spacious (but in a different manner than 11s) edit: I have seen classic who, so I didn't include them because I'm not familiar with them

[@stephenmurphy2212]

I think it’d be a great idea if the next TARDIS console room is a mixture of both classic era and new era TARDISes e.g a console room that’s white with “round things” and also has a cylindrical time rotor on the console.

[@pikeyMcBarkin]

Love your videos!

[@WhoCulture]

Thank you!

[@myvividmemories]

First! And love your content! Jokes on you this is edited

[@WhoCulture]

not gonna lie they had us in the first half

[@mattthesilent777RED]

I thought there was going to be a moment about Cassandra-Rose because of the thumbnail - the picture is used from the belligerent episode featuring Cassandra's possession of Rose

[@CrysasDan]

The second *Great and Bountiful* Russell T Davies Era. Come on WhoCulture, get it right.

[@railfan711]

My mind didn't even make some of these leaps.

[@entwistlefromthewho]

9 and 10's TARDIS console room was the best, then Moffatt ruined it. 9 and 10 had a console which frequently caught fire, or blew up, or needed to be hit with a mallet to function because the Doctor has been fixing it up for centuries. Then, oh no... the TARDIS is on its side.... it needs to rebuild ITSELF! And not only that, it can just make sonic screwdrivers and shit them out...

[@inkheart151]

I’m surprised rose and the doctor getting together isn’t on this list…..

[@robland3253]

My favorite interior was late 11/ 12s

[@DittoGTI]

3:46 Well... this aged well

[@UnclePhil2k]

11. The! VALEYARD!!!

[@Lego.trailers]

There is a rumor that the Daleks must appear at least once every series of revived Doctor Who due to an agreement with Terry Nation, the writer who created the Daleks. Apparently if they don't appear, BBC loses the rights to them. So maybe that's why they always appear. Plus I'd much rather have daleks in every series than not at all. Daleks are one of the things that make Doctor Who what it is.

[@ronaldharrison3005]

Maybe Adric's death is a fixed point in time, but I always thought it would be cool if we saw Adric again.

[@mikenash7049]

I wish we'd had some resolution to the Timeless Child thread, even if it was only to say that the Master was lying or had been deceived by the Time Lords.

[@adamstewart9052]

8:08 "Even though it's a reboot" But it's still a continuation of the Classic series isn't it, this is the revival or relaunch?

[@binkey3374]

I wouldn't mind seeing the return of Romana.

[@VintageBeauty1313]

Fans want the fugitive doctor and the timeless child arc to be retconned completely

[@jasonworlock5113]

Here is my idea for a future Dalek story. The Doctor and their companion arrive on a planet and find a battlefield, bodies everywhere, and destroyed Daleks as well. They come across a Dalek that tells them not to come closer to it and has its' blaster aimed at them, but the blaster is shaking. Confused by this the Doctor scans it with their sonic screwdriver and is shocked by what it says. The Doctor promises that they mean the Dalek no harm and it lets them approach it. The Doctor opens the Dalek up to reveal a scared person, not the mutated Dalek they expected. The companion goes to the person and they flinch away from them, clearly frightened. The companion asks how a human can be in the Dalek shell and the Doctor explains that it isn't impossible but that this person isn't a human. They are a Kaled. Sum how this Dalek had mutated back into an earlier from, that of a Kaled.

[@jellybabiesarecool4657]

Gillian Anderson should play the Rani. Ncuti wants her to play a villain against his Doctor.

[@alexlazebat839]

dark dimension was to secure tom baker whilst the other doctors said no

[@charlesrothenhousen3077]

They have announced that there will be regular Christmas specials starting in 2024 after series 14 (which will be 8 episodes)

[@just_kos99]

They kinda played down her being the Doctor's grand-daughter, 'cause with the Fifth (and looking the youngest) Doctor, they thought it'd look weird if they exchanged "I love you's" and all. I think that's really stupid. He may LOOK the youngest of the Doctor's incarnations, but he IS the oldest (at that time)!

[@cryingdemon]

I would think the decision to not include the white interior of the Tardis is to facilitate a sense of nostalgia for long time viewers, as well as to provide weight to the moment in which said scene is being used. If you show the original tardis white room then that means the tardis is having to revert back to a more "base-like" form to deal with the situation at hand, and fancy design/gimmicks are tossed aside. Also the No Rose Tyler spin-off series makes sense when in Kayfabe. Sporadic audio logs would be a nice bit though.

[@DeatGaming]

Not mentioned, Paul McGann's audiobooks helped Dr Who come back, they had lost the technology to do the Dalek voice but because Big Finish had already done the legwork, they were able to help out the BBC. You also forgot we saw the classic console room in the movie about how Doctor Who started.

[@mayotango1317]

No, is Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the reason that Doctor Who is revived.

[@RobertLanard]

Good points. Especially with the Dalek. They are fun to watch, but the sacrifice the Doctor made with asumably destroying all of his world and his people grew ever smaller to senseless and almost ridiculous when they appear in every corner of the universe anyway. "They all fought...", "they all died...", 'yeah, just not those.. and those.. and those.. and... :/

[@joshuaverran9443]

You can't give the fans everything otherwise they get too greedy if I was the showrunner I'd be ignoring them and doing my own thing as you should as a showrunner.

[@Sad_Tamawey]

You say that but this is exactly the attitude that Chibnall approached the show with and look at how that turned out. Not that I fully disagree with you, but for sure balance is key

[@itsnogame3822]

Jennys regeneration if must be a diff actor! You missed the doctor finding out his daughter lived!

[@SmartVideosJarkaWatched]

interesting how you can list 10 failings, but only 8 successful fan-favors.

[@jackmiller3246]

I would love to get both Martha Jones(Freema Agyman), and Bill( PottsPearlie Mackie), back. Upset, that Bill only got one season.

[@jackofallgamesYT]

I love the classic Tardis they used in Hell Bent. Not really a fan of the one from Twice Upon a Time or the Fugitive Doctors tardis.

[@ventrue24601]

#10 is #1 -- not having Susan meet up with Peter's Doctor is infuriating

[@stumbling_]

We really need a nice clean and bright tardis console, I'm kinda tired of the dark or warm light interiors.

[@elianas1121]

A kid’s show about the Doctor’s childhood? Any show that did Time Lord society and the Doctor’s childhood justice wouldn’t be a kids show…

[@Concreteowl]

2005 Doctor Who is NOT a reboot. You have one entry making a point of this and then in another you say it out loud.

[@RequiemSol]

Regarding the Daleks... I believe Davros has a contract that at least one Dalek must be shown per season lol... its a stipulation for having killed him off so many times lol

[@joshuacurphey3242]

11. Ending the show with the 12th Doctor and instead, dragging it on with one that not a lot of people have liked (including myself). Also, there have been one or two people that have made their own versions of The Dark Dimension, one of which was animated and I rather liked it.

[@Aaron-eo1bz]

Was just announced that the Christmas specials will return starting in 2023!

[@DarkRainb0wKnight]

I dont know what you're talking about with the tardis interiour. Yes the old one looks cool, but Matt Smith's first design and Peter Capaldi's design were wayyyy better imo

[@l.salisbury1253]

This is USA calling... I'd LUV to see a Doctor Who/Quantum Leap crossover! Maybe it would bring Scott Bakula back!

[@basilbrush9075]

Blackula? Like a Black Dracula?

[@l.salisbury1253]

@@basilbrush9075 No no. Scott Bakula- the star of the ORIGINAL Quantum Leap (1989-93) who, for some ridiculous reason was NOT invited back to the 2022 reboot!

[@Kay-wl9vr]

If there was a spin off Rose series I’d have loved that so much

[@spockman4250]

What about seasons 11-13 when the fans wanted good writing?

[@DrWhoFanJ]

We famously had the most popular era of all time with Seasons 11-13 (as a subset of Seasons 8-14, widely regarded as the show’s first heyday).

[@nightbreed16]

A honorable mention could be fans wanted to see Ncuti Gatwa but it was David Tennant instead.

[@paulmacleod18]

Tennant is (greatest Dr. Ever) was asked to come back short term, Ncuti Gatwa was unable to make the shooting schedule on time due to prior projects, if I read correctly he will be taken over half way through the season or will just take over the next season

[@nightbreed16]

@@paulmacleod18 Yeah David is my favorite but I was talking about other fans not myself.

[@jellybabiesarecool4657]

In TDotD, the Moment should have been Susan instead of or as well as Rose. It would have made so much more sense both narratively and for an anniversary special.

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

If Eccleston had returned, the plan was to use Karen Gillan

[@thedoctor1466]

Can't believe I'm agreeing with this, but, I hope the new doctor will have a more classic looking TARDIS.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Not including The Brigadier was such a disappointment.

[@benmiller3252]

I'm hoping Russell T Davies will bring The Rani back

[@SamanthaS92]

David’s not going to be in that awful crystal garden TARDIS is he? Please for the love of God, say no!

[@SubaruPieter]

Yeah, I hate that they don't do Christmas specials anymore. I loved it when London was very unsafe every single Christmas because of them aliens!

[@sabinajoh]

Kinda wanna see how Rose and Genocide Doctor are doing

[@copycrane9563]

any references of daleks in the new season?

[@VinnieBartilucci]

Has there ever been any research into the widely-shared belief that the Nation estate has insisted the Daleks appear in every series?

[@BubbaThaumaturge]

River Song meets Romanna. That never happened either.

[@oh_flock]

It would have been way cooler if Cofelia was the Rani or Master

[@leonlima1]

A Clara Who would be appreciated 😭

[@frankharr9466]

Some of those are just as aell, but yeah, that works.

[@alexlazebat839]

yes after season 4 of old who terry nation tried to launch Dalek in America this is why no dalek storys for a while then Pertwee took over being rather earhbound the plots were very like Dalek invasion of earth but after hinchcliffe took over he want new villians etc and tom bakers run hardly pairs him with old monsters apart from Daleks and Sontarans and the master only twice each time

[@RJ.Farr8]

Thanks! 👋.

[@zaarthwren]

Attacking the Daleks is a way to start a war with me I want more of the Daleks I don’t feel like we’re getting enough

[@parzivalthestormtrooper5017]

No way did they make Ellie defend dimensions in time 😭😭

[@alexlazebat839]

but there is big finish audio with the Rani but this was after kate o mara died

[@rosehawke2577]

I do *not* like the classic Tardis. But then I was raised on the grunge props from the likes of Star Wars, not the "looks like dust wouldn't stick to it" sets of something like 2001.

[@boybawang1981]

That's life nerds!!

[@gbrogo7139]

Brig was in the new Ninth Doctor Adventures audio dramas, along side Eccleson

[@quickhakker]

disagree with the tardis one, yeah the classic tardis looks cool but so does every tardis we seen in doctor who

[@l.salisbury1253]

Oh, and "Blink" has given me more nightmares than the average horror movie! BRING BACK THEM WEEPIN' ANGELS!!!!

[@minicle426]

I find them tediously overated myself. 🤷‍♂️

[@jasonmistretta4295]

How are the weeping angels scary?? They don't kill people!! They take people's "potential energy" and throw the person back in time the amount of years that they might live! People STILL live their entire lives, but live them in the past and eventually die on the day that the Weeping Angel touched them. Those are the nicest assassins ever--hahaha!

[@Ellie10009]

@@jasonmistretta4295 they killed people in series 5

[@brigadier-tc8565]

I think the only way to sate Nation's estate without ruining the Daleks would be just little glimpses for a few years, a character mentioning a Dalek siege here, a brief hint of a war there. Waters of Mars works, because it was a key character moment, but Wedding of River Song was the worst, because it shows a Dalek destroyed and defeated without any build-up. Plus, without breathing room, not only do the audience get bored, the writers keep having to churn out increasingly generic episodes with deus ex machina endings, case in point, Asylum of the Daleks, which did so much to damage them, it's untrue

[@mayotango1317]

Really? I love that moment, the Elevebth Doctor was so scary here.