10 Times Marvel Comics Went Too Far

[@WilliamDoheny]

I remember shortly before “Nazi Cap” happened, the internet was in an uproar over the suggestion of making Cap gay. I jokingly thought the people crying about gay Cap see Nazi Cap, turn around & basically say “Just how gay are we talking here?”

[@TheInFamousTMF]

We talking Neil Patrick Harris gay or Fourth of July, baby you’re a firework gay? 😆

[@Aeluron]

I think the normal disagreement is changing a character into something they are not, we know the dude is a straight arrow(See how he misses Peggy Carter and such in MCU). Nazi Cap/Hydra cap is hard to swallow, its new but from readers perspective it was seen as thats who he is and thats the norm and never going back. People would hate that. I think a more pallatable idea is bringing a different universe one in to basically do roughly the same thing Hydra cap did but we still get our classic CA.

[@ashleydowney1222]

@@TheInFamousTMF There's a difference?

[@andrewevans6719]

I think Goliath getting killed in Civil War was a legitimate part of the story. It showed how Tony Stark had abandoned his principles in the pursuit of what he saw as the "bigger picture".

[@Eddieblueeyes14]

... sooo Quicksilver and Wanda in love in The Ultimates is.... where??

[@marystone860]

Also One More Day?

[@jdbraves88]

Swear. I can't believe it tho.

[@atticuslatini2289]

@@jdbraves88 I mean you could also look up the 50000 other videos where they talk about those things

[@jdbraves88]

@@atticuslatini2289 and you can also mind your business. But we both don't like to do those things do we? 🤫🤐

[@atticuslatini2289]

@@jdbraves88 Well clearly you don't like to listen to facts and reason. All I said was that what culture has talked about those plotlines in a lot of videos, even a few that came out recently when stuff like WandaVision was trending. If you're gonna complain about them not talking about it you're wildin cause they have, more than once

[@jearl75290]

FrankenCastle gets a pass from me for at least being fun. I'd swap in either Sins past, Ultimates 3, Wolverine being an evolved Wolverine, Marville or Trouble in that spot.

[@Ogrematic]

Frankencastle was when I stopped reading. I started again after that whole debacle.

[@DoomLatveria]

As a huge doom fan, allow me to explain his single tear in the 9/11 comic as I see it. It was in sorrow and rage. Doom saw only senseless pain and destruction just because a group hated a nation. Dooms feud is with the heros, and he only seems to kill or harm on an individual scale, keeping any excess damage to a minimum. To him, it was senseless violence, and a tragedy. He showed up to help, because he saw it as not only just, but the right thing to do as King of Latveria. Doom has a heart, as black as it is, it is there. To deny it strips him of his humanity and is wrong.

[@marystone860]

I agree with you! I'm a big fan of Doctor Doom, also Magneto! Magneto was there because he knows all to well what senseless hate towards someone else or a entire country can turn into! Doc. Ock and Kingpin was also there. There are things even they won't stand for or tolerate! I know this one is a little off-topic, but I loved it when the Joker punched out the Red Skull! 'I'm a lunatic, but I am a AMERICAN lunatic! Stand back boys, this guy is MINE!'

[@scotcarr3390]

Amen. I just made a long post touching on many of the stuff you did. I bought that book, read it many times, & it helped me deal w/my own shock & horror. If you look back on it, many of the fandom felt the same way.

[@scotcarr3390]

@@marystone860 Joker would later in the official DCU team up w/Ayatollah Khomeini in "Death in the Family" story arc. Point being is w/the Joker, one never knows WHO'LL he fights or joins up with.

[@thomasluhrs]

@@marystone860 Magneto had "died" in August of that year when an airplane hit the Genosha equivalent of the world trade center. And Doom didn't show up to Genosha, but they didn't mix Mutants and Doom then.

[@marystone860]

@@thomasluhrs Oh, okay. Thanks for the info!

[@thomasluhrs]

The 9/11 thing was odd for Magneto as he had "died" the previous month when a Sentinel (that looked like a huge fist on the front of an airplane) crashed into the skyrise he was in. Almost Simpsons levels of prediction on that one.

[@ajsmovieplace]

As a long time Punisher fan. Yes Frankencastle was silly. But it was a very fun enjoyable read ( you always knew the reset button would be pushed. The Purgatory stuff was dreadful.

[@MrJeorgelee]

That 9-11 issue was respectful. It showed that even Dr. Doom was heartbroken over the senseless loss of life.

[@carlthejedi]

Agreed. I never heard anyone until now say it was wrong to do

[@gxo.]

Fax

[@dclark2529]

Which is hilarious, because he kills that many innocent people for dumber reasons as a Tuesday outing.

[@KillerBlaze]

The issue is that that just isn’t how Dr. Doom is.

[@beastcrozby4384]

@@dclark2529 Not really. He'll deem your worth as a person and then act on his own beliefs as Judge, Jury, and Executioner but he never really kills the innocent to prove some point or to use them as an example. Hes proven multiple times actually to fight against those types of people and has worked with the Avengers to stop them.

[@masterofmythology]

Gwen Stacy having children with Norman Osborne, who then aged up super fast because comics.

[@BG1234ish]

I refuse to believe that storyline is canon.

[@masterofmythology]

@@BG1234ish Truth does not require belief.

[@BG1234ish]

@@masterofmythology They're definitely going to recon that storyline eventually. Seriously whoever wrote that story line should be ashamed of themselves, How dare they try to ruin Gwen Stacy! There's no way she would ever sleep with Norman Osborn, and if she did have kids they would definitely be Peter's!

[@kalvin187douglas]

What?

[@grodek118]

@@BG1234ish the funny thing is that this storyline was written by Straczynski, in my opinion one of the best Spider-Man writers of all time. But I understant that everyone can screw sometimes (in Straczynki's run this story and One More Day)

[@intelkore]

Some shockers, but wow there are some truly talented artists out there!

[@haustyl12]

I always loved the 9/11 issue. It’s a very emotional issue that helped a 7 year old me process that tragic event

[@zmpjacksoncomics2077]

Ye but in the other hand making dr.doom cry is too much that guy is the king of a completely different country you know

[@edouardgirdlestone100]

I think your right the comic books are for kids it was to make children realise even the bad guys don't like this even the bad guys don't want this many people hurt and to make kids understand when this happens it doesn't matter if they wear blue and you wear red or where their from we all pitch in, we all help, and we are all scared and don't want this to happen again

[@beastcrozby4384]

@@zmpjacksoncomics2077 Bro the whole world was shocked by 9/11. It changed entire countries policies and introduced a new threat to the modern world that actively challenged western might. Doctor Doom being a ruler makes it MORE believable he'd be wincing and even shedding a tear at the senseless violence. Not to mention he's also the victim of senseless political murder.

[@jokerjjg]

Doom crying over 9/11 has to be the dumbest thing ever done by Marvel.

[@mlight6275]

i loved the comment, we are not heroes, they are... showing police and firefighters... a poignant, thought provoking issue... as only marvel can do...

[@luigiboi4244]

TL;DR: The entire 1990’s.

[@elsmalls]

The decade that basically sank MARVEL and forced them to sell off assets, so to speak

[@amanzeihedioha]

Seriously thank God for artists like David Finch.

[@jdbraves88]

Fax

[@jsuperflyc]

The same David Finch who had Jigsaw break Spider-Man's arm in New Avengers 1, because he didnt know the difference between Jigsaw and Piledriver? That David Finch?

[@hangebza6625]

What was the deal with the ultimate universe and cannibalism anyway? IIRC a bunch of characters did it there, not just giant man and blob

[@donb7519]

because its a basic way to be edgy which was all the ultimate universe was at the end

[@GabePuratekuta]

@@donb7519 It seems the best part of the Ultimate universe was always supposed to be Spider-Man related.

[@avengers1978]

See DC Comics for much further than any of these. Speedy being a drug addict, joker rapping Barbra Gordon and beating Jason Todd to death with a crow bar. DC has the edge on dark stories.

[@football4life85]

They were doing it before it was “trendy”!!! 😂

[@jordanloux3883]

Secret Empire: The event so bad that Marvel spoil their own story to get people to not be angry.

[@donb7519]

marvel does that a lot tbh

[@ShadowPredator31]

kinda want Will and Rob from Comics Explained to have an hour long debate on HydraCap now

[@SidneyMosley]

Why do I feel like I've seen What Culture do this exact list like 10 times already...

[@anarchy2590]

Trrruuuuueeee

[@frostywarrior4649]

They kinda do just with different hosts

[@grapefruitsimmons]

You can never go too far.

[@jordanloux3883]

Yes you can. You really can.

[@kingdon7795]

You have to go too far.

[@bobh68]

I mean in my opinion unless it's rude or something you can't

[@boyankovachev7982]

Well, you can. I mean, you will fall from the edge of the world if ya go too far

[@KnowYourMarvelNews]

-Someone who often goes too far

[@taylorlibby7642]

Again, "too far" seems to be entirely in the eyes/opinion of the commentator.

[@ethanmandengue3870]

Well everything is on the eyes of the commentator lol.

[@roshawngreene7069]

Highly opinionated.

[@reginaldupshaw3041]

I was asking in those degrees due the fact they never actually broke it down for any of us! Yes I was reaching for response and good feed back! Thanks again for comments

[@taylorlibby7642]

@Mae Well that's like just your opinion.

[@taylorlibby7642]

@Mae Again, just your opinion.

[@edouardgirdlestone100]

The person who wrote this article knows very little of the behind the scenes of any of these story lines

[@blackmage665]

...This isn't a channel for in depth things, it's a pop culture channel. go to a comics history place for that.

[@edouardgirdlestone100]

@@blackmage665 oh sorry yea what culturecomics probs not about comics your right how stupid like me looking for recipes on a fucking cooking show...

[@blackmage665]

@@edouardgirdlestone100 you DO realize that there is a gradiant for people's level of depth in content? it's not black or white? you ARE that mentally developed, right? what culture comics is probably like, 2 people going to wikipedia and a couple other sources. You come off as one of those people who say "Oh, you like comics? name every comic!" or some bullshit. Also, why does what's behind the scenes on the comic matter when they still put OUT these comics? I want to hear your thoughts on that, since it's your original point.

[@edouardgirdlestone100]

@@blackmage665 chill out mate its only KZbin comment section 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SlimeBlueMS]

Dude, Frankencastle is amazing. It’s basically why I love comics, that’s the shit you can’t get away with easily for other mediums

[@tyler9004]

Edgy garbage

[@timothylewis2527]

I'm just here to see if Ultimatum made the cut. They always show Blob eating Wasp and then getting his head bitten off by Pym.

[@timothylewis2527]

😂😂😂😂 I KNEW IT!!

[@trooper183]

lol, true. Every time

[@slayer_v3921]

X-Force: Sex and Violence was a fun read, I liked every bit of it

[@hydrogamer471]

well you're also a polygamous degenerate

[@killingragethrowback]

I find it so funny that a serial killer, even if his victims are all criminals, is the most grounded person in Marvel. Really drives home how wacky this fictional world is.

[@ClockWithoutNumbers]

Number 5: fighting cannibalism with cannibalism. What could go wrong!!!

[@mlight6275]

9/11 was amazingly emotional, but frankencastle too closely mirrored ghost rider

[@Nempo13]

Frank Castle is actually a Ghost Rider in one of the alternate worlds.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

ONE good thing came of "HYDRA Cap": the moment in *_Avengers: Endgame_* where Cap whispered, "Hail HYDRA" to an actual HYDRA agent.

[@maximumwinzTV]

Marvel didn't make cap a nazi. They made him leader of Hydra. People always confuse the two. Hydra infiltrated the nazis to use them to conquer the world. They themselves are not really nazis.

[@Spidervenom23]

Hydra are in fact Nazis lol.

[@maximumwinzTV]

@@Spidervenom23 Hydra just infiltrated the nazis. They themselves were not nazis. They just used the nazis to try and take over the world.

[@Spidervenom23]

@@maximumwinzTV If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and Sieg Heils like a frickin' Nazi, it's a frickin' Nazi

[@ChantMacleod]

FrankenCastle is the most enjoyable version of Frank Castle until Cosmic Ghost Rider. The end.

[@reginaldupshaw3041]

The daughter of storm from the future; possibly not black panthers child, has a psychic bond to a black tiger ; possibly kraven/ storm’s child being she likes hand to hand and blades

[@56postoffice]

One time, Frank Castle turned black. Kid you not. Happened in one issue from 1985-86. And I'm talking *"Tropic Thunder"* black.

[@sigmaofOz]

That was explained in one of their videos like years ago. Also by another youtube channel. I think there are worst situations that happened in the marvel universe.

[@56postoffice]

@@sigmaofOz I think that's where I saw the story.

[@scotcarr3390]

I think you missed the point on Spider-Man's 9/11 memorial. I brought that issue & was extremely touched by it. And if you look back at the responses at the time, a lot of people were as well. Did it go "too far" in certain bits? Yeah, you can make the argument the crying Doom was uncharacteristic, but he never destroyed a city in the Marvel U. But the other baddies? Magneto is a survivor of the Holocaust. Fisk may be a gang boss, but he'd never DREAM of going this far. And so what if Doom cried? He's not allowed to be shattered in the sheer horror of World Trade Center Plaza being destroyed & countless lives lost in the process? I think you should rethink this comic book moment. Marvel, as you said, IS NYC. It simply could not allow such a horrible event go unmemoeialized.

[@terrylewis8478]

Frankencastle was fun af tho... Also didn't outstay its welcome

[@keishawnproctor-vaughn9152]

Yeaaaah, Nah😂😂🤣

[@chochom]

God damn it every like 2-3 videos you shot that damned Blob panel xD

[@micah4029]

Goliath's death should have at least had larger ramifications, other than just some heroes switching sides during the event. Hydra-Cap could be interesting. It was the marketing and execution that were the problems.

[@TheJakeSeale]

I actually really like the Punisher: Purgatory story, but it works much better if you pretend it’s not the punisher and just another Punisher/John Wick-esque action hero

[@catandrobbyflores]

Doom crying at the aftermath of 9/11 was very impactful. Here is a man who is very egotistical and really only cares about himself crying because of such a horrible event.

[@CyclopsWasRight616]

FrankenCastle was too far but Frank becoming the herald of Galactus and also Ghost Rider and also Thanos's dad at the same time wasn't too far ?

[@TevyaSmolka]

God ultimatum was garbage and killing everybody in that event for shock value was just wrong and mess up on so many levels that it ain’t even funny.

[@jacobharrison1512]

Can we talk about how the 9/11 issue and Hydra Cap aren't that bad?

[@Macewinrude]

Seriously, give the hydra cap thing a rest.

[@noaheisner8884]

I wasn’t reading them at the time, but I always got the sense that a part of the Hydra Cap thing was giving a middle finger to the idiots who were complaining about Sam Wilson being Captain American. “You want Steve Rogers back? Sure, have fun with the Hydra version of him!”

[@WakenerOne]

Why? Do you really think that Kirby and Simon intended to create a hero who would have personally shoved them into a boxcar? You think that notion will EVER be unworthy of ridicule?

[@elijahhaynes216]

I almost unsubscribed about what you said about the 9/11 issue. I’ve never read it but a book about heroes not being able to do anything was perfect for its time. It truly showed how even though these heroes are in the real world they can’t change events like that. At least respect that.

[@WakenerOne]

Maybe if you'd read it, you'd understand what he was talking about.

[@billymccrary2246]

The Secret Empire event SUCKED!

[@gotohellaaron]

Comic books are weird because you get all these different writers writing different ideas for a character.

[@ZackNeill]

Hydra Cap was awesome, so was Secret Empire and no one will convince me otherwise.

[@amanzeihedioha]

What did they do to Ms.LeBeau??

[@vanLouw]

I loved that part in Civil War and the events that followed! If it was supposed to shocking it worked... but in a good way if you get what I mean.

[@reginaldupshaw3041]

I have a two part question when black Panther was beaten by manor ( set up by doom) how was he saved ? By the super solider serum, the same magic potent like Kraven , the white tiger amulets or the science of the cat people that helped tigra!

[@GabePuratekuta]

Someone threw a house on him?

[@ffnendhgrgd]

I was today years old when it hit me that "hail hydra" in endgame was referencing the meme

[@delightonailende620]

Marvel seems to have this knack of alienating everyone even themselves. The fallout extends even to the actors portraying their characters on the big screen. Still can not believe we almost did not get Black panther or Captain Marvel movie because someone thought it was bad idea to make movies based on gender or race.

[@rishav-2749]

add the entire Deadpool Kills The Marvel Universe storyline as well

[@thegingermessiah5318]

That was gold

[@cecilDisharoon]

5:00 Frank's family was picnicking when they accidentally witnessed a mob execution, leading to their cover-up deaths.

[@jtmeyer6662]

In case no one else pointed this out, FrankenCastle (which is dope) was Rick Remender, not Fraction.

[@The.Judging.Crow009]

im surprised one more day didnt make it here

[@Graeystone]

Letting Jason Arron write Avengers.

[@replica2618]

Wow, where to start. Rick Remender did Franken-Castle not Fraction. The tidal wave wasn’t called the Ultimatum wave, it was a tidal wave. And Hydra Cap, while a meh idea, was part of a longer story.

[@TheChrisHype]

Ultimatum is pretty much the light switch of comic books. The Ultimate Universe was awesome, and then with one book, it wasn’t. Plain and simple.

[@theincrediblechriswilde1366]

The 9-11 issue was fine, relax 🙄🙄🙄

[@rayh.1745]

WTF? 'Sex and Violence' was good. Clone Thor killing Goliath was NOT for 'just shock value' and the SpiderMan 9/11 story was incredibly well written and recieved. It was written in the moment and was the ONLY comic Marvel released on its release day. This list is was really reaching to get to 10... and it didnt need to.

[@JohnSuave]

Ehhhhhh..... imho it's a very intriguing "what if" to have Cap hail Hydra 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@G-mountain863]

Wait wait but around Civil War in the movie, all I remember is a ton of fighting before during and after

[@SolarasNaracott]

You are missing a LOT of ideas that went too far. They make some on this list look downright tame.

[@RobertHorry1956]

2:09 Marvel think there’s slick w/that fake Spawn look alike 🤨🤨🤨

[@theimprovedbore550]

6:36 tbh i thought doom's emotion showing did the complete opposite to what you described. victor von doom doesn't want power/world domination because of his greed, or desire to conquer/kill others who stand in his way. he wants to rule because he truly believes it's the only way that humanity can survive and prosper in the future. this vision of his is backed up by the numerous alternate futures of humanity he's glanced at through his sorcery/magic, and the only "good" ones he's seen are the ones in which he rules over the planet, governing a society free of crime, hunger, war, and plague. in the end, doom doesn't want to destroy human civilization by conquering it; he thinks the only way he can _save_ it is by his ruling over it. the way i see it, the ruthless and mindless slaughter of hundreds of his own kind by al-qaeda sickens him, because there are less people that he can "save."

[@catandrobbyflores]

I just remember the opening where spider man is just standing on a building screaming why. And when he holds the boy after his firefighter father is pulled from the rubble. Powerful images.

[@yaboiblackweeb1714]

You guys really are becoming CBR 2.0 a New York based company making a tribute to a horrific event that happened in New York is not a terrible thing and I don’t see how Marvel crossed a line you guys are just reaching at this point.

[@WakenerOne]

It's not what they did; it's how they did it. *_Doom_* crying over the World Trade Center??? He's done far _worse_ without a second thought. _Kingpin,_ I could have bought. But Doom? It strikes a sour note.

[@CasHanover]

I think that comment about "they're the ones who sold the movie rights" is unfair. Because marvel would have gone out of business if they hadn't. It was sell or die. Why wouldn't you want your own creation back?

[@noneofyourbussines6362]

I enjoyed Hydra cap. He should be a major baddie he is a twist Steve Rogers.

[@BahamutEx]

#1 "you know this one for sure" - nope, i don't

[@WarrickRanger]

Reading Ultimatum now, you’d be forgiven for thinking Joss Whedon probably wrote it.

[@declantriffitt9638]

Punisher: purgatory. Is just Spawn

[@SheriffOutlaw]

We need more content @WhatcultureComics!!! ❤

[@guidobeninca9256]

No Magneto ripping Wolverines adamantine?

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

I'm a bit baffled by Marvel's 9/11 tribute showing up here. I didn't think it was great, but I've never heard of it as a hated effort.

[@shiestymcnasty]

Steve Rogers was not a Nazi. He was a member of Hydra

[@gunjalverma7440]

I wish whatCulture comics explains Marvel/DC universe characters,relationships, origin, powers in a Simple Chart bcoz if u try to summarize these comics it becomes A Total Chaos loads of confusion at every level and many a times contrary to their existing or past narrative....what do you say guys...

[@sinncynn7935]

Rick Remender wrote Frankencastle bro ! Not Matt Fraction.

[@Matheus-ql7mn]

I know we don't talk about it, but Wanda and Pietro Ultimato relationship should be #1 - it was just wtf gross nonsense. I'd put the Wanda and Pietro are no longer mutants in the list too. I loathe that and will never accept it.

[@bobmatteis4130]

Wow well my favorite comic book of all time which is the worst thing that ever happened in the history of comic books the death of Gwen Stacy which I have amazing Spiderman 121 9.8 that should have never happened the only comic book that made me cry. I am so glad Gwen Stacy is still relevant because edge of spider verse 29.8 which is only a few years old is worth more than $1500 I have two copies of that signed by artist and writer. I had to sell a lot of my comic books because I’m never going back to work I was a bartender and restaurant manager the only thing I do is go to Yankee Stadium but it’s never a good time to sell your comic books but you can’t take those to your grave. I sold most of my good books but I still have amazing Spiderman 122 9.8 amazing Spiderman 16.5 amazing fantasy 15 6.0 amazing fantasy 15 8.0 restored no trimming superman 15.0 restored no trimming Batman 15.0 restored X-Men 17.0 journey into mystery 83 6.0 tales of suspense 39 8.5 fantastic 448 9.6 Batman adventures 12 9.8 signature series there are only 41 copies signed by Bruce Tim the creator. I still have my EC file copy the first appearance of the vault keeper war against crime 10 9.8 I still have all of these books and I sold a lot of great books.🙄🙄🙄

[@status8477]

I came because it seemed I was about to learn about marvel doing Rogue dirty. Thumbnail was misleading again

[@RobAyling]

Oh man Ultimatum sucked

[@OmegaRonY]

Terraxia snaps iron man's head off. Infinity war gauntlet. Booooo.....Shame on you.

[@jacev9451]

I meaaaaan the Punisher one wasnt thaaaat bad.

[@chrazychris8636]

please do a top 10 batman beyond villains next

[@matthiasskovgaard177]

Three words: one more day

[@trentboyd4356]

I agree but radioactive spider-jizz

[@ExiILe00]

I am shocked! Well not that shocked.

[@ij1376]

I'm surprised there was no mention of Dr Jordan Peterson being portrayed as Red Skull. A real life humanitarian, psychologist, freshly recovered from a fatal illness, and Jewish man was portrayed in the latest Captain America novels as Red Skull. A Jewish psychologist who almost died...being portrayed as a super nazi due to controversial views. Deserves a mention on this list. Also look up on KZbin Jordan Peterson red Skull memes, shit's funny even if you don't know who Dr Peterson is.

[@rudyrodriguez8432]

Not far enough!😁

[@zachibot]

The 9/11 issue was fine and certainly not worthy of a "Top 10 too far" video.

[@4fortune1984]

Where is the thumbnail from?

[@24Ippo]

You forgot to mention One more day where Marvel basically rebooted Spider-man's story just because they didn't want to develop the character, they went too far for that. PS: The only thing i didn't like about Goliath being killed by clone Thor was the fact they didn't make enough conflict between Reed/Stark and Thor (they literally cloned a god so you suppose to sh** in your pants if you see him again) they should've make a deeper conflict instead of giving amnesia to Tony (that was lame as can be).

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

Not Game of Thrones Wanda and Pietro from Ultimate comics?

[@thePsiMatrix]

Disney, not Marvel, probably had a bigger hand in cancelling X-Men and F4. If you can't buy it back, purge with fire and salt the earth, then buy the company that owns it.

[@Lark88]

As a teen in 2001, I thought the 9/11 issues was well done.

[@KillerBlaze]

I’m going into this list and assuming this is gonna either be 99.99% Ultimates comics, or it’s gonna completely exclude ultimates because otherwise it’d just be a list of Ultimates comics

[@beastcrozby4384]

You were half right lol

[@fabiorabelo3506]

Well, I just want to change the order, in my point of view, killing the "X MEN" are the worst decisions Marvel made in his history ! This is THE moment they lost me, I never bought another comics after that ....

[@jackkramer9101]

This is another example of when you should just ignore content rather than talking about how bad it is. X-Force died in the 90's. It was never good, but the reboots were all garbage piled on trash. This is coming from an X-force fan. I still have issues #1-30 and the stupid trading cards and toys.

[@gabrielreiter2637]

Is that spawn at 2:10??

[@smithwesson1896]

2:10 Who's this Spawn looking dude?

[@sigmaofOz]

I thought he looks like Dr. Strange's replacement " Paradox " but no.

[@Foxbane]

That's Nightwatch, he's a very obscure 90s antihero in Maximum Carnage storyline.