10 Worst WWE World Champions II | Tables, Lists & Chairs

[@joe-wv2qt]

Love that you guys are saying out loud everyone’s picks. As someone who loves to watch the videos while i do other stuff it makes it a lot easier to visualize everything

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

SECONDED! Glad they took in the feedback and started doing it. Makes it a lot more fun/easy to listen to.

[@killswitchaaron6959]

I also used to have a lot of fun sorta of guessing who they were talking about. Almost like trivia but this is an improvement

[@LivingWithSpinaBifida]

I personally don't love how oli says other people's answers. It feels like he's the host to the show when there is two other people "featured" on the show. If it was everyone saying their own answers it would flow better to me.

[@TheParaFlyer54]

THIS. I listen to this while at work. Sometimes their descriptions don’t actually say the wrestler or it could be describing more than one wrestler or storyline so I love that they’re doing this.

[@MrTrippy11]

Yes much better 👍 can just listen too it now if moving away from screen or doing something else it's still a good listen 🙌

[@Avatar1977]

Oli reacting to Lawrie complaining about bosses of companies putting themselves front and centre is priceless

[@yousufseedat7736]

@@Avatar1977 yes it was funny

[@jasonragland3033]

Hilarious😂😂

[@beurtalvarez]

@@Avatar1977 is Oli or Lawrie the boss here? I don't know the infrascruture of WT

[@Avatar1977]

@@beurtalvarez Oli is the boss, or at least he owns the company for what that's worth

[@ObeliskTheTormented]

I love how Sheamus has held 3 different versions of of WWEs top titles and yet for his picture in this they photoshop the one top title (universal) he hasn’t won before lol

[@steveconvertibles3352]

Same with Goldberg, his phot has the title he never won

[@Binvernon]

"Notable prick, Alberto del Río" it just rolls out of the tongue so easily, so natural...

[@SleepLess_Plays]

Who started that? 🤔

[@garymaidman625]

And why is he a terrible person? Because he slapped someone who racially insulted him? Because he was in a toxic relationship with Paige? She was supposedly just as bad, if not worse, but nothing negative is said about her. Because of the sexual assault allegations? He was acquitted of those in a court of law, meaning he is innocent. He might have a bit of an abrasive personality, but that doesn't mean he is a terrible person.

[@brodyperry1996]

@@SleepLess_Playshe who shall not be named 😂

[@jonathanharsh7434]

@@garymaidman625There is certainly a fundamental difference between being a fundamentally terrible person and being an asshole.

[@cameronbigley7483]

@@garymaidman625 I haven't seen anybody hold the "bus boy" situation against him. If somebody thinks he's super in the wrong for that, they're delusional.

[@ritangshubhattacharya1654]

I know everyone loves to laugh at and laugh along with Sullivan but may I just point out that this gentleman’s rankings are literally perfect. He does more homework into actually making the lists, defends them with sound reasoning and is an absolute legend. Hat tip to Sullivan!

[@dabbigailwilliams]

he’s a funny guy but yeah i think i enjoy his wrestling opinions a lot as well because he’s coming from the perspective of a longtime fan but he also isn’t super negative or whingey

[@brandongnuschke3870]

The fact that WWE did NOTHING to build up a literal jobber and instantly gave him the world title makes him the absolute dirt worst. And then to make him a heel (the complete opposite of what you want to do if you’re trying to increase viewership in the Indian market) was just the cherry on top. Only Vince could book something so badly.

[@calumbishop7082]

Although, you can make the argument for Vince being worse as Sullivan puts him. Jinder's a wrestler, Vince isn't. Vince booked himself to win the world title... AS A FACE, and then just vacated the title. Only for HHH to literally win it back 6 days later. Also as Sullivan says, Vince is horrible human being, while Jinder by all account's sounds like a decent person, so there's that.

[@Ragan31687]

Not to mention burying a legend like Shinsuke Nakamura in the process. That reign made me turn off the TV. So annoying 😡

[@ShonkTeHonktalks]

Hating on Cena, but not JBL's title reign, which was absolutely traaaaaash is absolute insanity

[@aaronbenson4532]

Could always add rvd on that list aswell

[@reapersoul8506]

I mean both were trash reigns , cena just had multiple trash runs, also jbl was on the list

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

JBL was a heel champ in the 21st century that had genuine heet and one whom fans legitimately wanted to see lose. How is that a bad champ? 🤨

[@mycahjofficial]

@@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist because JBL had nothing but bad matches throughout his run and he never drew a dime because the fact that SmackDown in 2004 was dreadful to watch and his championship run has to play a huge factor in that. Can anybody name one great match he had? Exactly.

[@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist]

@mycahjofficial JBL vs Eddie steel cage on smackdown? Triple threat with Big Show and Angle?

[@DAMColten]

Sullivan with the one line I needed to hear all my life. “Diesel” always made me think of Thomas and Friends as well.

[@z3n_z]

0:03 We're LESS THAN 10 SECONDS in, and Sullivan is already on laughing gas 😂😂

[@Thegenuinefake]

Just a reminder that Sgt. Slaughter was a boring midcarder who became champion while siding with America's enemy WHILE THE WAR WAS STILL GOING ON.

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

Also they lots tickets sales and had to run a smaller venue

[@endlessMB]

Genuinely shocking to see no one say Rey Mysterio. Never in the history of WWE has someone been so over as champion yet presented as such a geek. Non-title losses on free TV and then unconvincing "wins" on the PPVs. And that was just with the World title. With the WWE title he won it as a replacement for the real champ then lost it to Cena that same night. Awful treatment, would make my top 3

[@sm0keyd0key]

literally came to the comments to say the same thing. rey was treated so poorly as champ its mind blowing

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

I remember being SO DONE with Rey after that, and it lasted until his run in New Japan, where I watched his matches and my jaw hit the floor. Ring General Rey was a revelation and made me realize: it was the booking all along.

[@xJabro]

losses on TV and unconvincing wins on PPV sounds like every champion for the past 10 years, especially heels its much better now (mostly just the WWE and World Championships though)

[@TheAlSnowShow]

I was literally saying this the other day. Rey’s legacy as “the greatest masked wrestler of all time” is hindsight bc if you watch his booking weekly, he gets jabroni’d by everyone.

[@michaellee8816]

Y'all were VERY generous not including Kofi Kingston on here......that title reign was bombing even before the infamous ending....

[@3ampremiere782]

It was literally “WWE PLEASE GIVE HIM THE TITLE” and WWE said “I guess we have to but does everyone know we had no story built around him for this”

[@Louis-Souness]

I disagree so much with Oli's no other star points for Cena, Batista, Edge, Jeff Hardy, Orton, Umaga, Punk and so on, just because he always had the title didn't mean he didn't make any stars while he had it, these guys listed got more over than Cena by either working with him or facing off with eachother like Punk and Hardy.

[@okagron]

He buried far more people. And i don't know why you are bringing up Umaga, his push was derailed because they put him against Cena.

[@Louis-Souness]

Because the matches they had together elevated both, Umaga went on to be IC champion, hardly a derailment.

[@seanhuggan1989]

The only thing I'd say... the Sheamus reign actually did work. That pop for Roman in Philly of all places when he won the title on Raw, the night after demolishing Triple H... It worked.

[@austinemms9772]

I’d argue that it was a perfect storm of circumstances. People hated that The Authority was still around, the only thing people liked about Sheamus was that he looked stupid, and people didn’t hate Roman because of a combination of it not being WrestleMania season yet and Daniel Bryan still not being retired yet, which meant people still were optimistic about the future. Not to mention that the night before, Ambrose had won the IC Title the night before so people were still on a high from that.

[@kidvillain188]

Putting Cena that high is complete madness. Especially the other names that were on here but more power to you

[@ashtonkusher433]

They’re always super disrespectful to him, it’s actually annoying.

[@adamlennard1828]

@@ashtonkusher433I don’t know the beating Rey Mysterio the same night he won it reign definitely would be in my top 10.

[@ashtonkusher433]

@ that’s not considered a whole title reign, that’s just bad booking but that also led to punk vs cena, I guess that was bad too huh?😂😂

[@Nick94956]

Oli famously HATES Cena

[@adamlennard1828]

@@ashtonkusher433no it led to Punk vs Cena 2 at Summerslam which led to the awful ADR cash in because of Kevin Nash. So I maintain it was an awful pointless title reign.

[@Tharmander]

Find you someone who loves you as much as Oli hates the Miz and John Cena lmao

[@JustinMcGrath-i2m]

“Wwe didn’t make any other stars while Cena was the guy” -Orton -Edge -Jeff Hardy -CM Punk -Sheamus -Seth Rollins

[@lime7494]

-AJ -Umaga -Brock

[@aaron-downey]

Umaga wasn't THE guy ​@@lime7494

[@stuartpenzer773]

Aj, Edge, Jeff and brock were stars before cena. Umaga was just built up to be fed to cena Punk got over despite cena sheamus has never felt like a star I'll give you Orton cus honestly wwe is the only company where he could be a top guy

[@Alucard-A-La-Carte]

People BECOMING stars is different from WWE MAKING them stars. You can tell, because they never got behind ANYONE on that list except Orton (Cena's biggest rival) and Rollins (Cena's replacement).

[@AzureRoxe]

MASSIVE difference between WWE MAKING other stars because they WANT them to be stars and them BECOMING stars and WWE feeding them to Cena because of it. The only ones are maybe Orton and Rollins.

[@MinMaxSpeech]

With Cena, while I broadly understand the logic, he absolutely *should* have won the ladder match at Money in the Bank 2014. Whoever won that ladder match was gonna go to Summerslam and get eviscerated by Lesnar so Lesnar can go be the top heel in the company after killing the Streak, and having Lesnar murder the face of the company in absurd and exceptionally fun fashion is a huge part in that. Given Lesnar kinda *needed* to be put in that top spot after killing the Streak, it makes absolute sense to have him murder a guy who loses nothing for it than to have him murder an up and coming talent like Bray. If Cena gets squashed for the title, he can still feel like a top guy even if he's doing midcard stuff (see the US title open challenge) but if someone like Bray gets squashed, it's a Kofi or Big E situation where they just get sent right back down the card because of Lesnar happening to them. As said, I can actually see the logic for Cena being on the list, as the overall quality of his ludicrous number of title reigns is very low, due to all the ways they padded it to have him hit the number 16, and the faults in the booking leading to a complete absence of new stars being created throughout Cena's run, but that particular choice stuck in my brain cuz its actually a pretty ingenious one for how many things it achieves without damaging anyone involved.

[@braddrcrushalot3785]

@19:50 - I think Sullivan was thinking about Giant Gonzalez, not the Great Khali from his childhood.

[@garymaidman625]

Probably not because if he was 16 in 2007, he would have been 2 in 1993 when Giant Gonzalez was in WWF.

[@wbcwinnipegbeltcollector]

​@garymaidman625 no shame in being a 20 year old who's scared of the great Khali......he's big

[@drozwalker9]

Great panel guys! Del Rio and Goldberg come to my mind. 2016-18 was a very dark era for the WWE and the shows were painful to watch.

[@Ultimate23Dragon]

Ollie's rant about John Cena & Lorie's rant about Hulk Hogan is *exactly* how I feel about Randy Orton, Triple H, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, & Seth Rollins.

[@arlibrarian]

Vince McMahon is at the bottom for me by default as he isn’t a wrestler. Even if I think the way he won was probably the “least offensive” case of a non wrestler somehow lucking into a world title. I mean, the crowd popped huge for it. Mr McMahon, like it or not, was super over as a character in the Attitude era and 90% of the “heat” from the win came from Austin humiliating Triple H. Nonetheless, yeah Vince should not be on your kayfabe list of great champions next to Hogan and Bruno.

[@lewismaclean8849]

The part that made Vince's sole reign was because at the same time Eric Bischoff was let go from his position as WCW head guy. Coincidence? I think not.

[@gioohhh9416]

Hearing oli’s cena argument actually kinda got to me… but I’m still a cena guy WABBADOOOOO

[@ChisokuKing]

Thank you for reading out the names! Listening to this while I do chores and I greatly appreciate knowing who you're talking about without having to guess

[@mycahjofficial]

1. Jinder Mahal 2. The Great Khali 3. Jack Swagger 4. The Miz 5. Rey Mysterio 6. Alberto Del Rio 7. JBL 8. Bray Watt 9. Vince McMahon 10. Stan Stasiak

[@stephenwheatley9637]

Pete would be furious with that intro 😅😅

[@ethandw4814]

Mahal is definitely the right choice I still can’t believe Nakamura never took the belt off him

[@BookerOfTheYear]

I clicked like before the video loaded. More Sullivan and Laurie content together please.

[@thesterlingstudies]

12:10 - I know just randomly want to see someone do a mashup song between Diesel's theme song with Thomas the Tank Engine. 🤣🤣

[@nicholaschristie8699]

I would have just put Vince at #1 because of how horrible a human being he is. But, his title reign (and I use that term loosely) also encapsulates how Vince McMahan booked as a whole actually. Because, when Vince won the title, he was a babyface despite being a heel and hating the fans for so long, and the fans were supposed to just accept that (basically telling the audience that they are idiots). Then, when he won the belt, the next night on Raw, he vacated it, so it made the match pointless. Which was even more pointless because guess who won the title at the next ppv, THE EXACT SAME PERSON WHO HE BEAT FOR THE TITLE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

[@iamyourfather4270]

Chill out dude. You're having a complete meltdown online lmao

[@melkiah]

As someone who grew up watching WWE/F during the "new generation" I want to give Diesel's turd of a year as champion a pass because it was more not having compelling challangers around him rather than him not being the guy at the time. He was over with the crowd they had, the product just wasn't interesting enough to draw outside the die hards because Vince was full on big meaty men awkwardly slapping meat and his list of a opponents as champion pretty much suuuuuuuucked. And always have a soft spot for Swagger because of the trophy celebration. Him lisping that he had a sub sandwich named the swaggy that tastes like freedom lives rent free in my head. Also amazed no one was brave enough to call out Undertaker's first run with the title

[@demarcoadkins]

Watching these types of videos are always fun to relive WWE years back.

[@jacobweckerle3538]

I've always loved this show ever since it started but the recent addition of having the lead of the episode verbally say what everyone's choices are for every entry has really upped the presentation of the show for me. I love having these videos on while I play video games and this addition makes it much easier to watch the video. Cheers guy, thanks for the great content!

[@stevenashley27]

Ironically this came out after Jack Swagger’s recent controversy. So he fits both of Sullivan’s criteria: Boring AND A prick

[@ShonkTeHonktalks]

What happened?

[@stevenashley27]

@ I won’t mention the reason cause I don’t wanna bring up politics and the specifics but go ahead and google it

[@yousufseedat7736]

@@ShonkTeHonktalks he called Tony Khan a communist

[@RobertJW]

​@@yousufseedat7736 You'd think being both a) a billionaire and b) the owner of two wrestling promotions would immediately disqualify someone from being called a communist!

[@jackryan8736]

It's nice to see Laurie make an appearance on Tables, Lists & Chairs. 🙂Bringing more chaotic energy alongside Sully, which I love. 😊 Loved the clip lads, keep up the amazing work!

[@CrawMaw]

Miz's 9 day reign is what I call the peak of my fandom. It was the only point in time my two favorite wrestlers, Kenny Omega and the Miz, were champs in their companies. It's all been downhill for me since. (for clarity, this is NOT sarcasm).

[@MidnightLightMusic]

I'm convinced you aren't real and ChatGPT wrote this

[@CrawMaw]

@MidnightLightMusic I am indeed real. I loved Miz as a kid on Real World and as an adult Kenny Omega became my guy. I got to meet them both in NOLA for WM 34.

[@jacklincoln8231]

I think the fact that Mr McMahon wasn’t a wrestler, wasn’t even an athlete, makes him the worst. At least Jinder was a wrestler , albeit a jobber.

[@SapinskiMath]

Ok, so a lot of admin to do here BECAUSE of Luke's flub the first time around (but then, he also flubbed on the Best Champs list last time; Luke, you feeling OK, man?) First, once again, you guys are off on the math again, even though it's only by a point on Miz and Khali. WITH Luke's omission of Jinder, here's the new full list: (PS: Was caught off guard that all 6 ballots had McMahon on it, true as it is) 1) Jinder Mahal (20+29=49, 5 votes) 2) The Great Khali (26+21=47, 6 votes) 3) The Miz (22+14=36, 5 votes) 4) Vince McMahon (12+23=35, 6 votes) 5) Jack Swagger (19+6=25, 4 votes) 6) Diesel (10+11=21, 5 votes) 6) Goldberg (3+18=21, 4 votes 8) Sheamus (13+4=17, 3 votes) 9) Braun Strowman (8+3=11, 2 votes) 10) Dolph Ziggler (3+7=10, 2 votes) 11) JBL (5+4=9, 2 votes) 12) John Cena (0+8=8, 1 vote) 13) Big Show (7+0=7, 1 vote) 14) Kane (6+0=6, 2 votes) 14) Hulk Hogan (0+6=6, 1 vote) 16) Sid (2+3=5, 2 votes) 16) Rob Van Dam (5+0=5, 1 vote) 18) Finn Balor (1+1=2, 2 votes) 18) Rey Mysterio (2+0=2, 1 vote) 20) Stan Stasiak (1+0=1, 1 vote) 20) Alberto Del Rio (0+1=1, 1 vote) 20) Andre The Giant (0+1=1, 1 vote) WITHOUT Luke's omission of Jinder, which bumps all his picks down a notch, the list now says: 1) Jinder Mahal (30+29=59, 6 votes) 2) The Great Khali (25+21=46, 6 votes) 3) The Miz (21+14=35, 5 votes) 4) Vince McMahon (11+23=34, 6 votes) 5) Jack Swagger (18+6=24, 4 votes) 6) Goldberg (3+18=21, 4 votes 7) Diesel (9+11=20, 5 votes) 8) Sheamus (12+4=16, 3 votes) 9) Braun Strowman (8+3=11, 2 votes) 10) Dolph Ziggler (3+7=10, 2 votes) 11) JBL (5+4=9, 2 votes) 12) John Cena (0+8=8, 1 vote) 13) Big Show (7+0=7, 1 vote) 14) Hulk Hogan (0+6=6, 1 vote) 15) Kane (5+0=5, 2 votes) 15) Sid (2+3=5, 2 votes) 17) Rob Van Dam (4+0=4, 1 vote) 18) Finn Balor (1+1=2, 2 votes) 18) Rey Mysterio (2+0=2, 1 vote) 20) Alberto Del Rio (0+1=1, 1 vote) 20) Andre The Giant (0+1=1, 1 vote) And now I have a lot of process for the video I'm making about all this. We'll be in touch. (BUT HIRE ME TO DO THE MATH!)

[@9raff]

With Oli's logic why isn't The Rock on this list? That man has had 7 WWE title reigns and one WCW. In all those reigns he only held the belt more than 100 days once. His average day title reign had to had been less than 30.

[@DaveWBuf]

Very funny that right after Oli’s Cena rant a Honda ad narrated by Cena played.

[@ThisIsFiveEighteen]

I'm glad I'm not the only one to put Jinder at 2. I put Khali over him simply for the fact he actually pinned won all his title matches, Khali almost failed to win a battle royal, stole a pin in a triple threat and got disqualified. Also Jinder could walk.

[@michaellee8816]

Don't forget Andre's first promo after the title he said won the "world wrestling federation Tag team titles"

[@mrdudeguy2199]

The whole point of Andre never having a real title reign is because he would eventually have to lose it

[@SpacemanJim709]

I'm considering increasing my patreon subscription just for saying the picks. Awesome improvement.

[@thatawesomeguy6288]

The Miz's reign annoys me more than anything because I think he absolutely could be a great heel champ, they just booked him horribly

[@xJabro]

22:38 this is why I don't care at all for "X-time champion" it just means you lost it a lot or had no meaningful long reigns

[@bennyboy246]

Russo saw Vince McMahon book himself as champion in WWE and was like "look Bro! I can book it better!" History has yet to decide if he was right

[@charlespetersonjr1994]

Actually it was the other way around McMahon was champ before russo

[@bennyboy246]

@@charlespetersonjr1994 Oh thank you for the correction, I had my time line mixed up

[@98nh3609]

Finn's booking since winning the universal title until Vince left and Jinder's title reign should be all the proof ever needed from simply a booking/creative standpoint that vince has been out of touch for at least 20 years. Let along all the other issues

[@AquaPTMurray]

You got me with the diesel Thomas the tank engine graphic 😂 🚂🛤️

[@nathankenmajor]

Thanks for starting to read out your picks. It really helps your blind/visually impaired viewers like myself :)

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Putting someone who got injured on here shouldn't count

[@Simpo28]

People are so soft and dumb when it comes to injury. Getting an injury doesn't make time stop. It is what it is.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@Simpo28 if you get injured before your run starts that's not a run

[@Simpo28]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD technically he held the championship until the next night on raw, but your point actually speaks to mine even more. The fact was he won it and had to relinquish immediately, combined with the long term fall out and the state of the belt itself, it's perfectly reasonable for it to be on the list.

[@martinputt6421]

@@Simpo28 It really isn't. It wasn't his fault he got injured and he doesn't deserve to be on the list.

[@mycahjofficial]

Yeah, I agree. It’s it wasn’t Finn’s fault that Seth Rollins was reckless in the ring.

[@joetheman8550]

22:44 By that logic Ric Flair is a bad champion because he lost 20 times, HHH and Orton are bad champions because they lost 14 times

[@arashitendou5941]

You see I can’t see the Flair comparison being either fair or proper here Flair reigned largely during the territory era and fought within dozens of promotions as champ over several decades Cena fought in WWE long after NWA fell and America only had at most TNA outside of numerous small Indies, and his wins were all within only WWE people and in just over a decade The same with Triple H and Randy, with Triple H’s having that nice old asterisk next to most since he legit married into the company’s family

[@MrGhosta5]

I was at the house show the day after Bray won the tittle and they had him lose.

[@lexsellsmerch3512]

Kind of embarrassing looking back at that run with Jinder. I was at Battleground because it was in my hometown of Philly with floor seats no less. I remember walking out of WFC thinking I’d had a good time hanging out with my cousin! And then I heard the reviews the next day on this channel and realized how dreadful it truly was lol

[@gregtaylor7206]

Andre the Giant was badass. He wins the title by beating Hogan in front of the largest tv audience ever. And it meant nothing. Just wanted the cash. Fact check btw. Andre said he ‘surrendered the title to Ted Dibiase’. He surrendered the belt. Hard stop.

[@evdomos]

20:10 Oli's face is nothing short of art.

[@Voltage47]

15:59 when I whip it out for the first time

[@tacolover3798]

Man there should be tlc with Laurie Luke and Sullivan and we should watch how chaotic it can be

[@lewisgrant7622]

In Defence. cena only lost the title to Batista because before Vince came out and told Cena he was going to wrestlemania just as long as he could defend his championship again this man (brings out Batista) he’d just gone through a gruelling elimination Chamber match

[@arashitendou5941]

I’d say those kinds of losses were part of people issue with him Unlike Hogan who made sure more often his loses hardly did any good being just barely losing or through stupid contrivances (Starrcade 97) Cena either lost because of have a heavy stacked deck against him (your example being one in him being forced to defend after a serious match) or having convenient excuses for said lose right afterwards (his injured elbow he had going into his loss to Bryan giving some the impression he was fighting injured and lost because of that and not because Danielson was better then him)

[@wbcwinnipegbeltcollector]

All I want for Christmas is a new TLC list with Sullivan Beau Brown

[@TheBlackamura]

John Cena being on here is such a bad take imo. His first reign and the reign which started at Unforgiven 06(?) were pretty good and I loved the Spinner belt introduction, it felt different and fit his character. Other wrestlers carrying the spinner belt really didn't make sense. They should have trashed it and brought back the Undisputed or another design.

[@NightLordJagon]

You named 2 reigns....HE HAS 16! And most of them are not great! What do you mean? He literally had a chokehold on those titles and didn't want to put over new people...

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

​@@NightLordJagonyou can't blame someone who's not booking, and Cena made stars/ good fueds with, RKO, Edge, HHH, Punk, AJ, Brock, Bautista, Henry, Rollins, The Rock, Bryan, Miz

[@donazard8884]

Im so sick of the constant Cena hatred on this channel. There's no problem on not being a fan of his and i get its there opinion and theyre not trying to make people agree with everything they say. I understand where some of the hate comes from. The Nexus, beating stars when he shouldn't have but to say he's one of the worst world champion is baffling. I know some people will say we're just blinded by nostalgia but its just an unfair rebuttal, you don't see anyone saying that about Steve Austin. Just to preface, i love Stone Cold, hes one of the GOATs and i respect him wholeheartedly, im not saying Cena's better than him but i think its unfair for people to just diss on Cena and make him loom rubbish just cause they weren't fans of him. I dont like Hogan as a person, but i cant deny that hes one of the biggest stars in wrestling and imo, is one of the greatest champions ever. Cena had some forgettable reigns but he also had many great reigns. His reign in 2005 was solid, I Quit match with JBL, Triple Threat with Jericho and Christian, SummerSlam match with Jericho, matches with Angle. His reigns in 2006 were also pretty good, feud with Edge, matches with Triple H, Edge and RVD and his reign in 2007 is seen as one of the best WWE title reigns ever. He also had solid reigns in 2010 during his feud with Batista and 2013, where he put over Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam. People say he didnt make any new stars but Edge became a bigger star after his feud with Cena and went on to win 7 more world titles and was one of the top heels. Orton was elevated has he became champion, even pinned Cena at WrestleMania and went on to become a 14 time world champion. Punk became the hottest act in the company during his feud with Cena. He put over Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam. Lesnar squashing him at SummerSlam helped Lesnar become the biggest most dominant performer in the company, especially since he was riding high after beating the streak. AJ Styles won the title the next PPV after beating him and his 2nd reign lasted a whole year. The man put on classics against Edge, Umaga, HBK, Orton, Triple H, Punk, Bryan, Lesnar and Styles. Like i said, i understand where some of the hate comes from and not all of his reigns were great but he should be nowhere near the worst on this list

[@mrdudeguy2199]

Well said

[@humblehenoc2912]

I am half to the video and man if Cena is in the #1 spot by Olí, I would lose my marbles lol 😂. His 06-07 run is definitely amazing. I understand he had some boring title reigns that didn’t last long, but it is a crime to put him as a worst world champ than The Great Khali, Jack Swagger, Kane, Alberto Del Rio, Jinder Mahal, Andre The Giant

[@Valokiloren]

That's great and all, but the only person to put Cena on the worst list was Oli and it was 100% a bit because he conveniently didn't mention anything to do with Punk being a made man in WWE for having the 5-star classic with Cena at MITB.

[@donazard8884]

@@Valokiloren Yeah, there are times I don't know if he just put him on there for a bit or he actually feels that way but I'm just saying he should be nowhere near the worst.

[@sabyasachi9184]

I get it where you're coming from, even I used to be a massive Cena fan, and I hated Punk during 2011 lol I was stupid af, but yeah, looking back, his 06-07 was decent, but other than that, he had matches with the same guys, Randy, Edge and Batista sometimes for 1000 times until it got stale. Although I am not saying it is fault, it is the bad creative. But kudos to his US Open Challenge Run, he really put over some freaking great talent during that time

[@alexanderbrown8498]

The salmon suit thing was about 2 year AFTER the Hall of Pain thing, but I concur with your central argument nontheless

[@dylanprew]

23:51 I like the way Laurie writes his Capital G

[@Mattcruzedc]

Most fans have weird memories of how good Cena as champion was because of how over he was. Even with the male fans booing him, chanting “you can’t wrestle”. Because of his popularity with the kids, and how much money he made for the company, people falsely remember him as a great champion.

[@arlibrarian]

If you were popular and making the company a lot of money, you were a great champion. That’s just the rules.

[@Mattcruzedc]

yes and no, he made a ton of money, but the talent he indirectly buried, whether intentional or not, hurt the business. The amount of guys like Rusev, Wade Barrett etc cost them years worth of other profits.

[@donazard8884]

@@Mattcruzedc Yeah, The Nexus I admit is his fault, even though he has admitted he was wrong, but it's not his fault that WWE didn't know how to book some of these guys after he beat them like Rusev, etc.

[@Mattcruzedc]

@ I don’t believe he used his position to beat guys, not all of the time, but he had enough stroke that he could have told them the decision they were making was wrong. Like beating Rey for the title, beating Rusev at mania, beating Sandow. Those were all clearly the wrong decisions, yet he went along with them

[@donazard8884]

@@Mattcruzedc I can understand and I do feel like he could've stepped up to Vince at times where you come from though I feel like he always was a guy who just went through with what he had and not bother causing scenes. No matter what you feel about him, the guy is an iconic wrestler and is one of the most recognisable and prestigious champions and imo, should nowhere near the worst. The man had great matches and feuds with the likes of Edge, Umaga, HBK, Orton, JBL, Batista, Punk, Bryan and Styles etc. and his Reign in 2007 is looked at as one of the best title reigns ever so I think that alone should not put him anywhere near the list of the worst. I also don't think it's fair to say people are just blinded by nostalgia when some fans have great memories of him then and even now

[@RandoChrisYT]

I had a whole essay typed out but figured it wasn't worth it because it's KZbin. So all I'll say is that, Oli Davis, I respect the effort but you're still wrong...and it's hilarious how you keep trying to have these organizing plans in Survival Series that fall apart immediately every time.

[@adins5725]

Pains me to see the hate towards the only two prominent indian professional wrestlers but sadly they are not wrong either both of them were really bad in the ring and the bad booking,storylines and promo just made it worse, really hope we get a great indian orgin wrestler in the future.

[@matthewstraub2802]

I like the fact oli saying the names instead of flashing graphic quickly is a good change do it again

[@charliecranmer3846]

THANK YOU FOR LISTING THE PICKS, OLLIE!

[@JacePierce]

He's bad cause he lost the belt as much as he won is a wild take lol

[@donazard8884]

If that's the case, Ric Flair is a bad champion cause he lost it 16 times. Absolute stupid reasoning. I'm sorry

[@arashitendou5941]

I think that’s more a take as a follow up to the previous point of collectively holding an average of 87 some days per reign Meaning on average he held the title for 2 and a half months per reign before losing it I’d also point unlike Flair who gained his reigns over several decades and has lengths of time more often between each one John gained ALL his titles in just WWE and within the time frame of just over a decade Comparing the two doesn’t even work since it’s no longer the territory era so traveling champions with numerous defenses with numerous opponents over several years ain’t a thing anymore Also while Flair had numerous feuds where he would lose the title in some Cena literally got nearly half his reigns against ONE guy in Randy The generally only person consistent on his title loses

[@rr2637]

People saying Cena and Jinder weren't terrible? Wow. There are a lot more younger people watching this channel than I thought

[@lime7494]

Jinder was better than Roman. And I first got into wresting in 2013.

[@rr2637]

@@lime7494 Lol

[@lime7494]

@ don’t get me wrong, Jinder was bad, but nobody talks about how garbage Roman is.

[@rr2637]

@lime7494 Before or after Bloodline?

[@lime7494]

@ honestly? Both

[@Swoletaku]

While I agree that some of Cena’s reigns could be labeled as pointless or forgetful, I’d argue that most of them have been either good or have something memorable happen. While his may of been a bit rough around the edges when it came to his in ring stuff in 2005, he was a part of that mitb cash in that’s still remembered even today and you can use that same statement for his second reign in 2006. He was having great matches in his 3rd reign against Edge, Michaels, Umaga, Lashley. Had one of the best 4 way matches ever and probably gave Khali his best PPV outings. 2011 gave us that match against Punk. 2013 gave us his match with Bryan. 2014 gave us the birth of Suplex City. His 16th world title reign, while short, gave us another a time classic match with Styles. I know Oli has been open that he’s not a Cena fan, but placing him as high as he did, I completely disagree.

[@CurtyB]

Come on Wrestletalk. How on earth can you have Cena anywhere even near this list? Is it because he doesn't do enough flips? Because he was booked badly sometimes? It's the definition of "I don't like this wrestler, therefore anything he does is bad" Do better.

[@leaderofnoone9087]

I watch KZbinrs who criticise AEW a lot. And they hated John Cena's run as champion. And they grew up loving Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior. So there is a very strong dislike for a certain age group for John Cena. There's a reason why we have the let's go Cena, Cena sucks chant.

[@captaintoad89]

Cena was the face of the company during some of the darkest times. Honestly 3 was probably generous. So so glad he's gone.

[@CurtyB]

@@leaderofnoone9087 I fully understand not liking Cena. If he's not your cup of tea that's fine. But to say that one of the highest drawing wrestlers of all time that made the company so much money is one of the worst world champions ever is absolutely insane.

[@CurtyB]

@@captaintoad89 You can also count on one hand the wrestlers who have drawn more money than John Cena, so having him anywhere near a worst world champions list is madness.

[@leaderofnoone9087]

@@CurtyB Who cares if Cena was a draw or not. All that matters is personal enjoyment, when it comes to these lists. And for a lot of fans of the older generation John Cena is everything wrong with wrestling. So some people are going to put him on this list. So it's gonna be what it's going to be I guess.

[@13kingofawesome]

Hearing Oli say everything i feel about John Cena made my heart feel happy

[@dbone3356]

What is Sullivan on about? Sid had hilarious promos. We still quote them to this day. The one he mentioned, also there was one where someone said to him "As you know..." To which he responded, something along the lines of "I don't know anything!"

[@synysterscot5827]

Oh I 'member! Love this was brought up, I tried it with my friends the other day and none of them picked up on it

[@markula_4040]

Andre the Giant was a transitional champion except he didn't even transition it to the next guy. I guess just needed him to get the belt off Hogan but didn't want him to put Savage over for some reason.

[@noahmurray8883]

Oli’s Cena hate isn’t even funny with how contradictory a lot of his points are.

[@steve6513]

He's just a dumb mark. They all are. They were grown men angry that a tv show for children was being marketed and had a champion for children.

[@zacharysolano6375]

Honestly I feel like I’m one of the few who genuinely does like the miz and feel like he deserves more credit then he gets. I mean he’s the perfect midcard/upper midcard heel and he has done a lot of good while working with wwe. I will say this right now but I personally wanna see the miz break Chris Jericho’s record for most IC title reigns in wwe (currently jerichos reign is at 9 and the miz has had 8 reigns with the belt.)

[@Surv1vor1993]

My top 10 10: Dolph Ziggler 9: Kane 8: Triple H 7: Diesel 6: Braun Strowman 5: The Miz 4: Notable Prick Alberto Del Rio 3: The Great Khali 2: Jinder Mahal 1: Jack Swagger

[@joshparnell7755]

Good to see Laurie on the wrestling channel again.

[@dbone3356]

Say what you will about Diesel as champion. And, fair enough. But what were the numbers like when Shawn was champion? Also, there was a Survivor Series match against Bret. Was that during this reign? I seem to remember that being a pretty good match. Though, it's Bret, so, of course it would be.

[@ZephKin]

I like to believe that if John Cena hadn't have become so successful, Randy wouldn't have become a head-punting psychopath in 2009 and Edge hadn't have become a power-hungry cheater legend. John is the Superman to initially push Randy and Edge to their Heath Ledger extremes... well HHH for Randy, but Cena pushed Orton too. lol

[@JustinMarden]

The great Khali as world champion always bothered me for all the reasons mentioned, but also because he always held the title upside down and for some reason that infuriated me as a kid 😂

[@Ryderz651]

10. Stan Stasiak 9. Andre the Giant 8. Albert El Patron 7. Jack Swagger 6. Dolph Ziggler 5. Sid 4. Vince McMahon 3. Diesel 2. The Great Khali 1. Jinder Mahal

[@imsayyam]

Perfect list

[@TheThird1977]

Vince McMahon coming in at #23 was a surprise; I wonder how many points he scored.

[@masterrserch3971]

Not for nuthin & I know he's persona non grata these days/'round here.... But Blampied's fantasy booking of Jinder is friggin hilarious and I'd love to see something like that done just one time

[@z3n_z]

23:00 The render of Goldberg holding the WWE Title scares Me!! (Also, the belt is wrong 😂 He only won the Universal Title)

[@wbcwinnipegbeltcollector]

10 Best/Worst ROYAL RUMBLE WINNERS 10 Best/worst Number 30 Entrants 10 Best/Worst Final 2s In Rumble history

[@youDunnoMeAnymore]

Id love a best and worst list of Baby face WWE champions Heel WWE champions Then Best and worst of both from every decade '90 '00 '10 '20

[@PalmerPerspectivePodcast]

Could probs rename this series to "Labels, Chatters and Shares": Labels because..... you're literally labelling certain topics, Chatter because you're having conversations and stuff, and Shares because you're sharing your own opinions and lists.

[@dbone3356]

Hogan - Yes, but he tapped out to the Ankle Lock. Though, might not have been during any title reign, but.

[@brianjennings4996]

Disagree with Jhon cena not putting people over him and edge best rivalry over the title since rock and stone cold also I know it wasn't when he was wwe champion but when he was US champion all he did was put other talent over in my opinion great champion because great matches and chemistry, Other than that love the channel love you guys 😊

[@christopherballero866]

I'm surprised no: HHH, Rey Mysterio, Seth Rollins, nor Brock Lesnar. HHH primarily due to Reign of Terror. Rey due to horrible booking losing half his matches as champion then losing it super quickly twice, Rollins due to losing a lot & the Authority Angle, & Brock due to over a year of him not showing up as champ

[@dewoynesmith]

@wrestletalk could you do, the top 10 most petty wrestlers of all time.

[@cadenbooker3264]

i wish khali was booked the way he was in NJPW, wouldve been an actual entertaining champion to watch if u look at khalis matches in japan

[@TheAlSnowShow]

I will say… in defense of some of these dreadfully awful “world champions” being the SmackDown world champion/Universal Champion was a step below being WWE Champion (and WWE had no problem telling us that). So even though we had terrible SmackDown champs like Jack Swagger and Great Khali, it was nowhere near as bad as having Jinder Mahal or JBL holding the top prize in the company

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

You do know that who ever won the belt at TLC 2014 was going to Brock Lesnar so you basically wanted Bray be the one that loses

[@hollyprentice449]

Absolutely nothing is better than a Sullivan wheezy laugh