$100 Chinese chainsaw test and review by a professional logger

Top brand chainsaws are so expensive these days so I decided to try this $100 saw with a 20 inch bar to see how it would handle cutting up some old man pine firewood.
It definitely has a few issues but gets the job done.

[@woopimagpie]

Good tip for cheap chainsaws - store them on the side, not upright. That way the fuel and bar oil won't leak and the carb won't flood, making it easier to start. An old logger mate told me this, I've now had my $125 el cheapo chainsaw for 12 years with no problems, and it's still working fine. I've never even taken it apart to clean, let alone do any maintenance, yet it refuses to die. That was good advice he gave me, so now I'm giving it to you.

[@noahshort5298]

What’s the saw like now

[@davidwillard7334]

Tell ! That !! To BUCKIN ! BILLY RAY SMITH !!

[@keithhagler502]

I've got two, one 52 and one 62, and they've been through some of the worst jobs ever and will NOT STOP! I've literally put them through the worst, just to see, and all they did was get better and run better.

[@lordticklish]

Which side?

[@woopimagpie]

@@lordticklish "Which side?" LOL You don't need a long neck to be a goose.

[@paulg5811]

Had abit of a binge watch over last 2 days love the channel and first time I heard you swear lol

[@DanKoning777]

Same here-in fact I don't recall hearing him swear and I'm glad it's not a habit. I enjoy this channel quite a bit, but cussing, crude humor, and especially mocking Jesus will send me packing permanently.

[@danieledwards1081]

I've got a 62cc Baumr-Ag saw, also a 20 inch bar, paid $120 Australian for it near on 10 years ago.. still goes like a beauty

[@keithhagler502]

I've got two, one 52 and one 62, and they've been through some of the worst jobs ever and will NOT STOP! I've literally put them through the worst, just to see, and all they did was laugh and get better and run better. You can't pry one of these out of my hands even if you offered me a husky.

[@teamneverlost]

Thanks for the review bro. I bought one just the same but blue this last week. Was not expecting much but was surprised at the throttle response and power for the money. Cheers for the air filter mod tip. Have installed a Stihl RS 72 and am blown away by the performance for the dollars. Did a mod with the demel to cut and round that pesky on/off switch to 1/4 the length and much better!

[@BenPortmanlewes]

tourettes model.... added to language bank.

[@osbornebay944]

just got a 62 cc clone for my firewood, really like your little digger. I have an EX50urg well used since 2004, still works AA. Keep up man.

[@anthonyjames2366]

Yeah I had one of these Certa 52cc saws a few months ago. I totally agree. The on/off switch is in a terrible position, I was often accidentally shutting it off in mid use. The air filter is totally useless. The air filter cover knob is hard to properly tighten, my air filter cover kept falling off with the vibrations. My saw would never use a full tank of fuel before it would die and wouldn't start again until it had cooled down. Maybe the fuel uptake hose kept moving away from the bottom of the tank while I was sawing. Mine lasted approx 50 tank loads (maybe 25 hours) before it would never start again. Probably the carby blocked with saw dust from the inadequate air filter. But for $89AUD on special from Kogan, I'm not complaining considering the amount of tonnes of wood it cut in just 2 months! I was impressed with the bar (chain is Oregon quality). For a cheap laminated bar, it didn't once bend when getting jammed in big logs.

[@6217lex]

I‘ve been using synthetic pre mixed 2 stroke fuel. No more headaches and it dos not get bad. Cheers

[@briananthony4044]

You have a lot of multiple machines, 2 bulldozers, 2 or more excavators, etc. Liked that piece on the little digger that functions like a thumb, what a good idea.

[@CajunGreenMan]

Since you're a pro logger, maybe you can do a video on taking down trees. Entire thought process before you even touch one, all the things you've seen go wrong, done wrong. Tips on easy cutting once down, etc. Keep up the great work!

[@benbearkiller]

LOL that video could last a day with how many trees I've fell and I'm not a professional.

[@Don.Challenger]

For Marty the first rule (of "bum") is make sure the young rams are secure in the paddock and have their fair share of sheep nuts, then it's on to all the nonessentials on the check list.

[@IdeasBox]

I bought a cheap Chinese chainsaw for my wife to prune small trees and bushes on our property in 2014, it still runs great, starts second pull, I've put a slightly longer bar on it from an old Poulan saw, I used it the other day and just out of interest checked the spark plug, it's still got the original Chinese spark plug.. not bad for 140 bucks

[@marcosmota1094]

Early Marty, still the *Encyclopedia Galactica.* Love the fixed thumb on the digger.

[@DanKoning777]

It's funny, at 1:36 and 1:50 even one of the birds "laughed in agreement" as you pointed out a few of the issues. 🐦😉

[@kiefekiefe9542]

I'm from a very poor country and a 100$ saw gets the job done. Although we all love to use top quality tools if we have the choice

[@luellabrendandobier4221]

I have had one for 5 years now, still going strong.

[@goldenrules5697]

Luella & Brendan Dobier what's brand is that... 🙂

[@ScarryMarian2012]

Plus cheap spare parts that last at least same as the "original" ones ;-)

[@kevincowan4887]

Muffler mod in a good sharp chain might be a decent little saw for the price

[@Lanninglongarmmowing]

Pretty good video. Looks like a nice saw. Can't beat it for the money.

[@MartyT]

Thanks man. Yeah for the money its not bad, A few little strength /design changes would make it so much better

[@guzzis3]

Thank you for the video. I've had 2 52cc saws off ebay. The first one got stolen when my house got knocked off. So I got another on ebay. Neither of mine had the issues you mention. I'm sorry you've had that trouble. I took my first one to a BBQ to show some friends who have stihl and husky saws. We fired it up etc and one said something profound. What I paid was about the cost of an annual service on a stihl so if I got a year out of it I was ahead. I got a lot more than a year and I'd bet it'd still be cutting if those lowlife scum hadn't pinched it. Some chinese stuff is rubbish, but some of it is ok. Just gotta work out which is which.

[@viperstrike3827]

We got a stihl almost 10 years ago now and it has NEVER failed to start nor has it been to the shop! The needle bearing failed once, but that is because I was new to chainsaws and I tightned the chain maniacly tight.

[@udonhardware5178]

I'm curious. How long did your chainsaw last. Is 50 hours too much to expect before new piston rings and piston. I'm trying to determine if people here in Thailand are expecting too much from these. Considering they us ethanol based fuel.

[@The_fappening]

อุดรอุปกรณ์ Udon Hardware depends on your oil and usage. Should be oké but more i would look for some quality saws. This is realy cheap ass stuff - dont expect a rolls roys

[@udonhardware5178]

@@The_fappening Thank you for the reply. The average Thailand has 1/6 the income of the US. A Chinese chainsaw is a 1/3 of a month's salary. Our KZbin channel is dedicated to helping our customers get the most out of every product. Chinese saws recommend 25:1 mix because Thais are more likely to use old fuel that is contaminated with water. We appreciate your advice.

[@jimsvideos7201]

I guess you meet the loggers that keep an eye on their surroundings and read about the ones who don't.

[@curriepg]

And how crazy is the Certa user manual. You need a powerful magnifying glass to view the diagrams.

[@EasternExplorer]

If you think about it the going rate for a cord of stove wood cut, split and delivered is $250. If this saw cut 1 cord its payed for its self. If it cut 20 cord and blew up you're laughing.

[@billydarley6925]

i managed to pick up a shindaiwa 488 for $60. case, extra chain, and lil bottle of 2 stroke oil included. looked like new and runs like it as well. i only use amsoil saber in all my 2 strokes. youre very much correct, a cord of wood aint cheap these days. dont take much for a saw to pay for itself.

[@AndrewBrowner]

i always put ~10% of a job toward equipment/tool maintenance and replacement, so id say it needs to do 5cord to be considered paid for and during that 5 cord the 10% or 25$ isnt going to pay the splitter or what youre using to haul the wood atv or truck ect it can only go one place at a time i get stuck in that thought process alot oh yeah this tool or that trailer has done 10k worth of work it paid for itself.. but if you got 6 new tools on a job they cant all steal 100% of the job.. and itd be nice to yah know make some money too not just break even

[@LordGrievous1970]

thats a cool wee attachment on the end or the digger arm for picking up the rounds, did you make it?

[@MartyT]

Yes I did, its removable so I can unbolt it to reduce arm weight when I don't need it

[@munsterfloyd]

Thanks a mill. Was offered one in my local hardware but wanted to research it first. I’ll go Huskie or used Stihl even. Any views on Oleomac?

[@jw-vx8im]

Oleomac is good but not brought into Australia anymore

[@jchristian8413]

i always buy from a store so i can take it back under warranty. like topmaq with their Chinese saws. brilliant outfit and brilliant saws for the money.

[@MartyT]

I have had to push topmaq for a refund on a faulty product in the past but yes they are improving

[@jchristian8413]

@@MartyT I'll keep that in mind. I wouldn't buy one of their motorbikes but don't mind a cheapy chainsaw.

[@ridemfast7625]

Other then the plastics and chain, this is a MTD engine which is the supplier for Cub Cadet, Craftsman, Remington, Trybilt.

[@MartyT]

Interesting, I had a feeling parts are interchangeable on these chinese saws,

[@ridemfast7625]

@Loner Wolf Eh, this thread is about chainsaws made two years ago. Yours is older then that if it is not an MTD...

[@daysgoneby3527]

That black with red accents colour scheme though.. damn I want a quality one that looks like that

[@rairai7964]

What part if NZ is this? Looks beautiful... from a neighbouring Aussie

[@michaelmcclure8673]

Marty What is the mix ratio with that saw? We have 1and its 25 to 1 . Its a hoss in the woods up here with oak blackjack and hickroy 🌳.

[@MartyT]

Depends on the 2 stroke oil, mineral I use 25:1 synthetic I use 40 or 50:1 depending on the job

[@JustinSnow3556]

I have a craftsman 46 cc chainsaw made in 2019 and it has the same exact air filter

[@StewsChannel]

The trees there are massive!

[@oldmate9561]

Just bought a 10inch 25cc certa just cos it was co cute😚🤞

[@mikekamenski262]

great chainsaw for your money

[@garrymercer757]

Lets be real. I have a Husqvarna expensive chainsaw, It has the same problem with the filler cap, but its with the chain oil cap which is crap because if its not on its side I get oil everywhere. It isn't a problem with the cap itself, its a problem with the case casting. Do you expect that from a "quality" manufacturer? Worse the mount plate for the air filter connection tube has to be silastic sealed every time I service the saw because it sucks air and the tune goes out. My Stihl chainsaws have terrible carbies and are forever being hard to start as well as being pretty fragile compared to to husqvarna. My brother in law started buying chinese chainsaws for around the $150 mark and they last him about 5 years, so thats 10 chinese saws for each husqvarna, so 10 will give you 50 years, will your husqvarna last 50 years? On top of this there is a few quality chinese saws such as holzforma which are direct copies of stihl and husqvarna so you can just replaced parts directly if you dont care about knock offs

[@PearsonParty]

bought the same saw type for 90 bucks and had to spend 70 bucks to fix it and since its been great for me...cuts oak and all my trees with ease.

[@ratstarone]

What mods did you have to do to get it right?

[@bigbadgrowlybear7972]

Hah your tourettes model comment had me chuckling. I have some models like that too mate - both mechanical and biological.

[@gerardmcclelland6198]

Hey Marty try putting a small 'o' ring on the air-filter mounting bolt on top of the air-cleaner! These 'stocking' filters are a joke!

[@andysaunders3708]

I think he'd already done that.

[@andybecker2693]

I would wrap a small sock around the air cleaner with a rubber band or zip tie with a little air filter oil on it. It filters the fines much better but should be cleaned often. That mesh crap doesn’t catch anything by itself and the dirt is like sandpaper in the engine.

[@treebuzzard5796]

Bin food, that's all their good for, i bought a cheapy top saw off ebay, lasted a few tree branches then the screw for the chain tensioner stripped as the thread was plastic....not worth the drama.

[@davidwillard7334]

Was the Thread ! Left ! Handed !??

[@dirttdude]

my 100 dollar 'pullen pro' cuts fine, starts easy and has no real issues, the problem with it is that it weighs a fucking ton

[@dirttdude]

@Loner Wolf Respectfully; You don't have the first clue, buddy.

[@ddssdickday]

Think you'll ever try one of the cordless electric? My arms are not what they used to be and am thinking seriously about rechargeable now that the battery technology is decent. Nice video!

[@MartyT]

I'd love one but they're still quite expensive

[@davidwillard7334]

GiVE ME ! A ! LIGHT !! SABER !!

[@serhhupper2236]

They got them for 60 on ebay called pinty

[@94SexyStang]

Chinese saws are MUCH better than Big Box Store brands like Poulan, Craftsman, Ryobi, Homelite, etc...because they DONT have any of that EPA regulation crap on them.....which makes them Very reliable and they Don't blow up....they also run Crazy Fat mixtures like 25:1.....so they Aren't going to be seizing Any time soon....plastics, tensioners and clutch are cheap...but that's about it. I have a couple Stihls for my main saws, and 1 Chinese 58cc for a Back-up storm saw.....I've actually started liking my clone saw the More I use it......it's NOT a Stihl or Husqvarna or Echo......but it's pretty damn impressive.....like I said, it Always starts...unlike Box Brand saws.....so that's a Huge point for the clone saw.

[@MartyT]

I agree, they are great value for money. Mine is still going strong, has paid for its self several times over with firewood sales

[@ScarryMarian2012]

I feel the same bro,that "chineese" clone actually worth the money more then 5 times,indeed,cheap parts,easy service,easy to find spare parts,and if you have spare parts in the toolbox with the chainsaw and a big failure occurs,like the engine,you can fix the engine failure in the middle of the forest within maximum 2 hours (might be less time to repair than travell back to town and get another chainsaw to continue the job)

[@stelley08]

Maybe they might take your gripes on board and put the fuel tank on the top and the on/off switch in a different place

[@davidwillard7334]

On ! OFF !! SWITCH !! ?? ONE !! UNDERNEATH !!?? OR TWO ! YOU'D HAVE !! TO !! PULL !! OFF !! THE !! SPARK !! PLUG !! WIRE !! BECAUSE !! IT !! SIMPLY.!! DOESN'T !! HAVE !! ONE !!!

[@allanhughes7859]

Well I tell you what I have been running a 14 inch bar and 20 inch bar chinese chainsaw now for 4 years and not a single problem "no leaking fuel" so they owe me nothing Infact the other day i took my so called fab Husky out and it would not start so took to me cheap as chips saw and did a days work what the hell ????? Yes the on and off button is a pain in the ass yes the exhaust burns the wood because its up front yes the chains that comes with them are shit but new chain and an oregon bar on the other and off we go !!! One cost me £119.00 the other £99.00 the top handle cost me £75.00 not sure what in dollars but still peanuts all three saws are still going strong use good 2 stroke oil "LUCAS NONE SMOKE" AND "SHELL V POWER "jungle juice as in all my saws and not a problem I can change all of them again for the price of one over priced Husk or Sthil..... The only saw I will not criticize re quality etc is the Echo they are good without doubt here in the U.K. Echo are a missed opertunity for all of us wood/grass cutters I have Echo equipment that has saved my soul re purchase and running costs they are in my humble opinion the best you can buy The macho men will probably say different but trust me they are better than all the so called brand leaders ECHO ECHO ECHO AT ALL TIMES but if you cant afford an Echo and you only cut wood sometimes dont waste your money get a chinese saw they are ok and then in a few years just throw them away NOT GOOD FOR THE PLANET BUT GOOD FOR THE POCKET Have you noticed most planet savers are wealthy or is it just me ????????????

[@pm270100]

good vid well done think i spend my 100 $ on a homelite XL 12 in 10 years the homelite be stihl going LOL

[@billydarley6925]

vintage saws sure. new homelite, ten years if youre lucky.

[@jamesrivis620]

Steel toed bots needed in case the blade slips and chops a few toes off !

[@endutubecensorship]

Save your money and buy even a used Stihl or Husqvarna! I saved an old Husqvarna from a metal bin, spent $70 and it cuts like a champ. Marty isn't the only one finding gems😉

[@jchristian8413]

my brother got a free buggered shindaiwa 757 a while back. I cleaned the carb and it ripped into gear. what a steal!

[@captainsledge7554]

Im more interested in using engines for rc engines. Typical rc 52cc is 600 bucks. So the rest fits in a trash can pretty well

[@MartyT]

Haha good idea

[@mckinnonmeyrick8702]

​@Marty T hey mate long shot by do you remember where you got it from

[@HotForgeChaos]

You tried the Flash branded 20" one from Trade Tested at all? Couple hundred bucks, seems alright, the weed eater I bought goes like a cut cat with a good tune so can't be much worse....

[@MartyT]

Not yet, last one I got was a craftmaster from 1day for $130, oregon bar and chain, just keeps on going

[@CARPETMAN-zj9iv]

I love it when people crack on Americans for buying Chinese chainsaws I hate to tell you but even though German chainsaws are made in China now the manufactured there in a symbol in Germany or they simply have a German engineer there at the factory. Do you want to buy a chainsaw that isn't made in China I don't know what to tell you because you're going to have a hard time finding one Stihl and Husqvarna are made in China now

[@aaronhorn6849]

Any updates on this saw??

[@MartyT]

It broke down a few months after this and I had trouble getting kogan to honor the warranty, I'll never buy from kogan again

[@larshartstone9823]

Why do you have a resperater on

[@MartyT]

I use filtered sump oil for the chainbar lube to keep costs down, I don't like breathing it in or getting it on me. Sawdust is not good for the lungs either

[@adrianfarnam5636]

''REAL PROFESSIONAL'''

[@jonsmith6982]

Looks like they have improved the new models a bit ,Dick smith have Certa 72 cc 22 inch bar on sale for $99 at moment i need a new bar & chain for my old saw & that costs $75 alone so i might as well just buy whole new saw give it ago ,but will check it over in the area you suggested ,cheers for that..ps.what are you running it at fuel mix wise ,50.1 or 40.1 ..

[@MartyT]

I run 30:1 mineral, you could go 50:1 with synthetic. Thats a bargain

[@jonsmith6982]

@@MartyT I thought it was a bargain also ,they have 62cc with 20 inch bar for $69,i know its best to run mineral oil in these chinese jobs but i have so much synthetic lying around but found they run like crap on 50.1 ,so i dropped down to 40.1 & they seem to run good like real good just wondered if anyone else had found that .

[@garengtutorial8923]

Mesin nya tangguh 👍

[@Chr.U.Cas1622]

👍👌👏

[@wiretamer5710]

So... replace a few rubber fittings up front and she's more or less good. Who cares if she falls out of the back of the truck. Wow!

[@MartyT]

Yeah they're ok for the price, The handle ended up breaking due to vibration so I tried to return it to kogan under warranty for the fuel leak and weak handle, It took me 2 months to get my money back, I had to threaten taking the issue to small claims.

[@DerekChavez11]

Lol when you fast forwarded it cut about as fast as my stihl in normal speed

[@MartyT]

Haha yeah that sounds about right.. but it probably cost 10 times as much. These saws are great for people on a tight budget who aren't in a great hurry ;)

[@christianjensen9418]

Just wondering why you are wearing the face mask when cutting the old man pine. Should I be doing the same ?

[@MartyT]

@Christian Jensen Personal preference, I don't like breathing in any type of fine sawdust and oil mist, better to be safe than sorry :)

[@semco72057]

If the saw does the job then it is worth the money spent on it. I personally don't like Chinese chainsaws and don't invest money in them. Give me American, or a major brand which is trustworthy.

[@jm9632]

Still works?

[@MartyT]

No, I decided to return to kogan under warranty for various issues- fuel leak, broken handle. It took over 2 months to get my money back. I would buy another but not from kogan, they are a nightmare to deal with.

[@jm9632]

Marty T I bought this for 79 euros.3 year warranty.

[@tutekohe1361]

The bar and chain alone be worth the $130 purchase price - and you get a chainsaw thrown in!

[@hughvane]

What's the weight of the machine?

[@MartyT]

Very light, it could do with a bit more weight / strength, the top handle bent while pulling in out of a tight cut

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

why are YOU wearing an air filter?

[@MartyT]

I dont like breathing dust and oil mist

[@frost1183]

davetileguy why do YOU care

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

@@frost1183 why do YOU care If I CARE.

[@andysaunders3708]

That's a tree, man.

[@jamesbroach3859]

always do a under cut first makes things work better

[@MartyT]

Depends where the tension is in the log, would have been far more difficult for me to force the saw up than let gravity do the work cutting down. Sometimes I will bore cut first to see where the tension is

[@davidberry7985]

these cheap saws do not seem to have any rev to me 52cc should fly through that

[@apocalyptik1]

Bush inspector would ping ya for standing on the tree lol

[@apocalyptik1]

Not much they won't ping ya for really.

[@MartyT]

I would ping him for interrupting me ;)

[@ajl9491]

Well if she Really wanted to inspect my bush...how can I say no?.

[@mayssm]

Funny, I ordered a very similar saw from Ebay recently for $95 with a 22" chain. It said it was new, but it arrived with a fractured chain brake. I glued/taped it up, so it doesn't snap off. The throttle lock button is completely missing, but I can get around it by jamming a thin screwdriver in if I need to. The biggest problem is the chain brake's lock point seems to be past where the two handles meet, which means I need to really jerk it back several times to get it to engage. It's also very close to my hand, so it's easy to bump it and lock the chain. Not sure what can be done about that.

[@MartyT]

Sounds like a dodgy seller, Just take some photos and lodge a complaint with ebay, they are pretty good with getting a refund.

[@canoebelue]

Can't be worse than a Poulan.

[@MartyT]

poo- lan

[@scootscoot1920]

What did u fall that with

[@MartyT]

Husky 395, the chinese saw not quite up to the challenge

[@CARPETMAN-zj9iv]

Also if you're going to buy a Chinese chainsaw you're going to want to spend more than $100 you need to do research and Order 10 at a time as a group you can pick up anyting from 72 cc's up to 105 CC's that are excellent saws for about $160 if you're buying them 10 at a time. And these you won't have to worry how about the gas leaking or oil leaking she just need to do standard maintenance at a chainsaw Pro

[@adamoneale4396]

125 dollarydoos? Tobaius!

[@AR1G3]

Why do you wear a face mask while doing this?

[@MartyT]

To keep the oil droplets and sawdust out of my lungs

[@gortnewton4765]

Don't have to tell us about its faults, just say it's Chinese-made. Sometimes they tend to make things that LOOK like they work, but actually don't. I have to say 'sometimes'.

[@davidwillard7334]

WHY IS IT !! THAT ! THE ! LAWNMOWER ! SHOPS ! DON'T ! SELL !! THESE !!?? ( IF THEY DID ! STHILS ! HUSQVARNAS !! ECHOS !! WOULD ! ALL !! BE ! CHEAPER !! THAN ! ONE HUNDRED !! DOLLARS !! )

[@lindahollister5530]

It's not good for equipment being used all of the time.

[@amateurdesubaru]

just bear in mind that this chainsaw when it leaved the Chinese mainland was not worth more than 13$NZD

[@ajl9491]

Ouch!

[@davidwillard7334]

NO !! ONE !! CENT !!

[@tony66au]

LMFAO @ Tourettes Model, an den? The demonstration while trying to pop the air filter back on again. I bought a Yukon 20 inch 85cc chinese thing a few years ago and its been pretty good with over 100 hours on it give or take a few and I rev the ring out of it. Air filter housing needed a tidy as well and the recoil start is still great but it too leaks fuel and bar oil, my pre start run in was with a fatter mix of 2 stroke and after a few hours I tweaked the carby screws a bit to get it to rev. $125 delivered from ebay with 2 free chains of unknown origin, they were free because im pretty sure you couldnt sell them for actual money and they didnt hold an edge for long, that said when I ground off every second tooth she woke up nicely in softwood but a decent chain made a massive difference. Criticism? Its bloody heavy and I get bad noodle arms after about 30 minutes, Damping is evident but not great, It leaks fuel and bar oil so has to be stored dry. But for the money? Not bad with a proper chain and if I find something better? It'll make a great Go Kart lol

[@bobf12]

Lots of wood in that one.

[@MrBobrossftw]

Looks like a rip off of Echo

[@ozarkprepper1718]

If Americans keep buying this crap they better start learning chinese.

[@jarredschatz7544]

ozarkprepper1 Americans might as well we quit building anything worth a damn years ago

[@davidwillard7334]

NO WONDER JOHNSERED !! COULDN'T !! SELL !! THERES !!

[@ajl9491]

whats with the mask! looks miserable.!

[@MartyT]

yeah not much fun to wear but I prefer not to breathe in oil mist and sawdust

[@ajl9491]

@@MartyT fair enough but my tree service wont start that trend anytime soon!

[@jonnykerley]

Professional? I don't think so, one handed operation??? (0.15)

[@MartyT]

Haha yeah its not a move for the amateur. I know what I can get away with, impossible for the saw to kick back while it is that deep in the cut while the bar is angled outwards.

[@hankclingingsmith6471]

Junk