100 Diamondbacks vs 240 Cyclones, who wins?

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Tya

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@Tya.
@Tya. 2 жыл бұрын
Shall we see if they ACTUALLY run rings around Diamondbacks? Round 1 ▶ 100 Diamondbacks vs 240 Cyclones Round 2 ▶ 500 Zerglings vs 90 Roaches Round 3 ▶ 125 Goliaths vs 50 Colossi Round 4 ▶ 50 Hammer Securities vs 50 Marauders
@RenTed.
@RenTed. 2 жыл бұрын
Terran Army vs Zerg Swarm
@yoshikiharo1020
@yoshikiharo1020 2 жыл бұрын
Diamondbacks (with Titanium Hull +50 HP) vs Siegebreakers . Diamondbacks shall always remain the superior ground base hovertank.
@yorha42s
@yorha42s 2 жыл бұрын
How about 50 medivacs vs 5 Hercules?
@yoshikiharo1020
@yoshikiharo1020 2 жыл бұрын
With what weapons?
@yorha42s
@yorha42s 2 жыл бұрын
@@yoshikiharo1020 Marines
@momom6197
@momom6197 2 жыл бұрын
That last fight was really surprising. how much of it was random chance, actually? I'd expect the HS to do much better!
@Late0NightPC
@Late0NightPC 2 жыл бұрын
Hammer Securities get a weirdly low stat boost compared to the other mercs, only +25%HP/20%damage making them not that much stronger than a base Marauder. For comparison, Hel's Angles get +45%/40%, War Pigs get +65%/35%, the Siege Breakers get +33%/66%, and even the next lowest buff is the Jackson's Revenge at +30%/30%
@ramil8029
@ramil8029 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I'd expect a 25%hp and 20% damage bonus to sway this fight pretty heavily into the HS favor. In this video tho, it felt like it was two groups of the same units fighting each other and one accidentally just barely came out on top due to RNG.
@hanneswiggenhorn2023
@hanneswiggenhorn2023 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramil8029 wings of liberty marauders have 100hp, so with +25% it would be 125 hp. Legacy of the Void marauders (these are the normal multiplayer marauders as far as I know) have 125 hp by default. So they maybe have the same amount of hp. Wings of liberty hammer security have an dps of 16 vs amored targets. Legacy of the void marauders have a dps of 18,6. So if these are legacy of the void marauders, they are actually nearly as good as the hammer security marauders
@hanneswiggenhorn2023
@hanneswiggenhorn2023 2 жыл бұрын
I should note that the hammer security marauders have a lower dps, but more damage per hit, which is more useful in engagements like this, where most units only hit 1 or 2 times
@jarrakul
@jarrakul 2 жыл бұрын
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 I think you're comparing Hammer Security DPS under the old time system with Marauder DPS under the new time system. Remember, before LotV, a game-second was considerably shorter than an irl second (on Faster speed, which is pretty much the universal standard), and DPS was calculated accordingly. But when that was changed in LotV, the actual speed at which the game (not the clock) plays was unchanged, so everything got an increase in listed-DPS without an increase in actual-DPS. To this specific case, your DPS info appears to match that listed on Liquipedia, but Liquipedia lists current multiplayer units in LotV second, and older campaign units in pre-LotV second, giving the older units an apparent (but not actual) drop in DPS.
@ggnorton7
@ggnorton7 2 жыл бұрын
This did not, in fact, ran circles around diamondback
@caelestigladii
@caelestigladii 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, he said “a” diamond back. Not an army of them.
@Vziera
@Vziera 2 жыл бұрын
Bbut he he said he guaranteed
@spooneater9001
@spooneater9001 2 жыл бұрын
Blizzard made Swann an incompetent/lying piece of shit. What did they mean by this?
@ultimatepotato1155
@ultimatepotato1155 2 жыл бұрын
Finally the goliaths won a round, even though they couldn't make use of their multilock
@newvagabond1375
@newvagabond1375 2 жыл бұрын
ikr, real close too
@Devestator2150
@Devestator2150 2 жыл бұрын
As I said in a lot of the other vids, range upgrade makes a huge difference. I’m willing to bet a lot of those other matches would change if they had them. At least be a lot closer.
@JosueC730
@JosueC730 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! At last!
@shawnruby7011
@shawnruby7011 2 жыл бұрын
@@Devestator2150 no range doesn't matter here as they attack in a line for collosi to beam
@Devestator2150
@Devestator2150 2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnruby7011 if they didn’t have range Colossi would have had a 3 range advantage and would have been able to stack up on their damage when the goliaths approach.
@singlenator9138
@singlenator9138 2 жыл бұрын
Love to see the Chad diamondbacks smoke the upstart cyclones, I would’ve been so disappointed if it went the other way
@mrstarforge3572
@mrstarforge3572 2 жыл бұрын
imagine if cyclones were moving as they should
@singlenator9138
@singlenator9138 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrstarforge3572 I believe the diamondbacks would simply chase them, also able to fire and move, no? I don’t know how their movement speed compares
@pg8971
@pg8971 2 жыл бұрын
@@singlenator9138 Diamond back is much slower and the range is also much less than lock on range
@Santisima_Trinidad
@Santisima_Trinidad 2 жыл бұрын
@@pg8971 are they slower? I remember diamondbacks being pretty speedy, and cyclones never seemed much faster.
@mrstarforge3572
@mrstarforge3572 2 жыл бұрын
@@singlenator9138 Before sharing your beliefs, you could just check the facts. Virgin Diamondback moves at 2.95, while chad Cyclone has 4.73 speed.
@redshirts23
@redshirts23 2 жыл бұрын
Wow Goliaths actually won something
@furtivetef805
@furtivetef805 2 жыл бұрын
More like single Goliath.. :)
@shha22
@shha22 2 жыл бұрын
As far as Hammer Securities go, I cant say which version was used. But in general they didnt get update since WoL campaign. This means: They do not get kinetic foam upgrade and actually have only 125 hp like regular marauders now. So yes they do 30 dmg vs armored (26 vs marauder) and kill Marauders in 5 hits. Marauders do 26 dmg vs armored (22 vs HS) and kill Hammers in 6 hits. If the version with kinetic foam was used (as seems likely) then they would take 7 hits to die. 7 or 6 hits vs 5 should still produce a landslide, but there is another catch. Marauders got upgraded with ROF boost to 1.07 from 1.5 in WOL. Meanwhile HS are still at 1.5 cooldown. SO there is a FORTY % rate of fire advantage for marauders. So 40% more ROF while taking 40% more hits to kill, sounds about right?
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber 2 жыл бұрын
Wait that makes no sense, because the 1.04s ROF is because of Blizzard’s move from Blizzard time to real time. So shouldn’t HSs also have a 1.04 RoF? Or have they been left behind in Blizzard time?
@M.B___
@M.B___ 2 жыл бұрын
Let's just agree Hammer security is still better
@pg8971
@pg8971 2 жыл бұрын
ROF mechanism never changed between each expansion, it’s just the displayed number being changed
@pg8971
@pg8971 2 жыл бұрын
But yes, raw data for hammer security doesn’t stand out that much comparing to normal marauder, only a little bit more attack and health stays the same.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber 2 жыл бұрын
@@pg8971 Okay yeah, after replaying the video, (it seems that Tya forgot to update the Hammer Secs' tooltips to reflect the speed change made in LotV, so they were firing at normal time HotS values in faster time while the normal marauders were firing as normal. Oh dear.) Edit: Disregard the stuff in parentheses. I counted again and it seems like they were firing at the same rate.
@tl7294
@tl7294 2 жыл бұрын
But..but the cyclone pilot guy says "oh this will run circles around a diamondback, I guarantee it"
@SaulGoodman3D2049
@SaulGoodman3D2049 2 жыл бұрын
Well, there's the issue. He just sat there firing with one hand on the trigger and the other on a beer instead of running circles around 'em!
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
It being able to run circles around a diomandback, and it being able to 1v1 one are different things, one just means it moves faster and is more agile. In terms of dps, a diamondback has 200hp and does 52 vs armored (48 after armor) at 2s weapon speed (not counting the +50 hp upgrade) Cyclones have 120 hp and deal 400 damage over 14 seconds. I don't quite know the stats but i guess 20 spell damage every 0.7 seconds? If the upgrade they have is anti-armor damage, then 40 every 0.7 seconds. It takes 3 diamondback shots to kill a cyclone, so roughly about 4.3 seconds? Not sure what the windup is. It probably takes 10 hits or 7 seconds to kill a diamondback, on top of the actual lock-on delay and travel time. (or 5 hits and 3.5 seconds). Honestly they might shoot each other down?
@BroadwayRonMexico
@BroadwayRonMexico 2 жыл бұрын
@@dimitarlinov2393 Cyclones have far better speed and range. With upgraded lockon, had they actually used their range and mobility, they could have done it with no casualties
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
@@BroadwayRonMexico yes and no? In the first place that wouldn't be running in circles, but kiting outside the other's attack range in some general direction. The whole idea is in a close fight without running away, and in this case, actually running around in circles.
@cdcdrr
@cdcdrr 2 жыл бұрын
Cyclone: Oh, this will drive circles around a Diamondback. I guarantee it! Diamondback: You were saying?
@videogaming1000
@videogaming1000 2 жыл бұрын
shout out to the one goliath pilot who lived to tell the tale of how he got the first victory fot the goliaths all around the secotor
@hewmahn6720
@hewmahn6720 2 жыл бұрын
Woohoo! My first flawless set! I was actually cheering for that lone Goliath.
@alexfrost2799
@alexfrost2799 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 - I thought Cyclones would win out, but most of their damage is heavily reliant on Target Lock, while Diamondbacks deal more raw damage. + Roaches are frontline/Tier 1 tanks. They don't have the DPS to deal with that many Lings. + It was really close but I was banking on the Goliath's bonus damage vs Armor. That and Colossus are siege vehicles. They need front line units to tank damage while they deal with it. + I was expecting the Merc. Marauders to win, but I thought the outcome would be much more heavily in favor of the Mercs.
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
Seems the issue is WoL Merc are slightly to decently buffed WoL units, but LotV marauders are also buffed WoL marauders, so they cancel each other out.
@WaterCrane
@WaterCrane 2 жыл бұрын
The Goliaths vs. Colossi fight was interesting if just because the two armies completely swapped positions by the battle's end!
@KubeSquared
@KubeSquared 2 жыл бұрын
That actually happens very often when 2 ranged armies fight. First they form firing lines, then the lines rotate around the center of mass of the battle.
@jacen2256
@jacen2256 2 жыл бұрын
4/4, nice. Was worried once I realized the Goliath couldn't use multilock, but still worked out
@Rain-zo5bh
@Rain-zo5bh 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 was rooting for the Colossi but then the Goliaths actually went for the anti air missiles on em but still was a close one
@bbtop07
@bbtop07 2 жыл бұрын
Wow… finally a battle where Goliaths trade well with another unit.
@aprinnyonbreak1290
@aprinnyonbreak1290 2 жыл бұрын
I mean... they cost more, took longer to build, I think took more supply, and won by a small enough margin that RNG could snatch it back, so I'm not exactly sure it's a good trade... but at least they won once.
@FinleyZero
@FinleyZero 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got my 4/4, after watching quite a few of these! Gonna be honest, was sweating my balls off during the Goliath/Colossus matchup.
@Rexotec
@Rexotec 2 жыл бұрын
A rare 4/4 for me :) Goliaths and Mercs had me scared tho
@schamarchie
@schamarchie 2 жыл бұрын
Can you repeat Ling vs Roach both without upgrades? I think it is a good example of how units scale differently.
@momom6197
@momom6197 2 жыл бұрын
"Weapons hot." Yeah, goliath, I wonder why, really.
@eyeballpapercut4400
@eyeballpapercut4400 2 жыл бұрын
0:50 When blurred kinda starts looking like pizza topping or something
@Guilherme-ht5ow
@Guilherme-ht5ow 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, watch every day, is my pause from word!! Sugestion: put the background music on the info. Which is this one? I might be miles off, but remembers me of silent hill (in otherworld parts).
@hidefreek6905
@hidefreek6905 2 жыл бұрын
Goliath's fight might be easier if they could move in their ground attack range. Because they were stuck and ran likes Goliath in SC1.
@TheIhtiander
@TheIhtiander 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 Failed bet on Cyclones. Diamondbacks deal very focused damage. I was about to bet on Colossus but when saw anti-air attacks I changed bet to Goliaths (that was very close fight tho).
@ParleLeVu
@ParleLeVu 2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@seanwhitman8353
@seanwhitman8353 2 жыл бұрын
3/4. I was so used to shitting on Goliaths that I was happily surprised to see them win for once.
@halfthefiber
@halfthefiber 2 жыл бұрын
Had the Goliaths been closer, would they use their ground attack as well?
@ultimatepotato1155
@ultimatepotato1155 2 жыл бұрын
yes, problem was that their anti air attack has more range than their ground attack, and they didnt bother to move closer to the colossi
@mauricioalejandrowestermey1180
@mauricioalejandrowestermey1180 2 жыл бұрын
@@ultimatepotato1155 Yeah but they had the multi lock upgrade, so they would use both attacks (ground and air) at the same time. Of course, the units are not micro'd (except for units like Stalkers, DTs, etc.)
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
The issue comes that it would have allowed the back row of colossi to attack them too, so might have ended up much worse.
@buttergod42
@buttergod42 2 жыл бұрын
4/4, Diamondbacks really are the Terran Immortal.
@Alex.Akagami
@Alex.Akagami 2 жыл бұрын
that last goliath limping got me cracking but still that was my only loss
@MinorMood
@MinorMood 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, keep them coming)))
@warsword4
@warsword4 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 did not expect goliaths to clutch a victory here.
@camerontyler1386
@camerontyler1386 2 жыл бұрын
Always knew the Diamondbacks were the superior choice. Thanks for showing it to be true en masse
@dinartese7en
@dinartese7en 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 What the heck, I thought Goliaths had a pack where they lose every single of these duels, I request an anti-doping test.
@trassage
@trassage 2 жыл бұрын
3\4 But that was close in Round 3 :) - Diamondbacks vs Cyclones. I thought there were too many Cyclones. Nope, there weren't. + Zerglings vs Roaches. Too many Zerglings. Roaches will get swarmed. +Goliaths vs Colossi. Too often Goliaths lose. I had a feeling they might win for a change. + Marauders vs Unique Marauders. Of course Unique Marauders should win in an even situation.
@Vit-Pokorny
@Vit-Pokorny 2 жыл бұрын
i thought that diamond backs would win, but then i remembered that they deal like milion damage
@dastalinstarblade4618
@dastalinstarblade4618 2 жыл бұрын
While I don't know a whole lot about Starcraft's units, I feel like a lot of these fights (especially the larger engagements) tend to boil down to "Who has enough range to have more of their units actively engaging at once than the other?" Numerical superiority doesn't seem to matter all that much if the bulk of them can't even reach past their front line
@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598
@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598 2 жыл бұрын
True, but that's mostly because of the way the AI handles these units. In a real game between human players this obviously wouldn't lay out the same way.
@СерикДаулет-х5я
@СерикДаулет-х5я 2 жыл бұрын
Swarming light melee units can kill long range units without oroper support rapidly. Tanjs useless againts lings in equal cost, but with some tanking (lol, tanks need tanks) they do impossible damage.
@dastalinstarblade4618
@dastalinstarblade4618 2 жыл бұрын
Fair points. No human, no overarching AI, no support (usually,) just straight unit capability
@yorha42s
@yorha42s 2 жыл бұрын
4/4, but damn, the Goliath vs Colossus was close
@alexanerose4820
@alexanerose4820 2 жыл бұрын
Welp, so much for driving circles around a Diamondback. They couldn't even drive straight to the W and they had double the numbers
@johndread6160
@johndread6160 2 жыл бұрын
Cyclones continue to defy expectations
@williamalongi5097
@williamalongi5097 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 baby! Diamondbacks are much better than they seem, roaches aren't designed to kill lots of little things, the goliaths seemed to finally be in a fight that favored them (though it was astonishingly close) and I was surprised by how close the last fight was, too, but I just assumed HS would be more on top of things
@Anergyne
@Anergyne 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, this'll run circles around a Cyclone.
@gergoolle5773
@gergoolle5773 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a match up where the diamondback can win.
@ThePankcho
@ThePankcho 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 First time ever! Was so excited when goliaths won :D
@leredrasscul
@leredrasscul 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do hammer securities v marauders again? But instead of HS it's a probe and instead of marauders, it's 100,000,000 Odins?
@JitojiOMG
@JitojiOMG 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 -Those are too many cyclones and they have improved lockdown, plus, this will make cyrcles around a diamondback; he guaranteed it! +If zerglings surround roaches, they win +I'd bet on Colossi, but goliaths always losing is a meme, todsy should be different. +WTF Hammer Securities hands down. Well it wasn't hsnds down
@darilcastillo9240
@darilcastillo9240 2 жыл бұрын
Are you interested about put some coop units in this fights? If not, no problem, but I would like so much see that.
@rancidhotmail
@rancidhotmail 2 жыл бұрын
what does the third stat mean underneath crystal and gas?
@MannnisEi
@MannnisEi 2 жыл бұрын
What's the red blue number under the minerals and gas
@brendonda1
@brendonda1 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 Diamondbacks because of bonus vs Armor Zerglings because roaches don't get bonus melee attack Goliaths because Anti-Air weapons vs Collosi are usually incredibly broken. did not expect it to be that close Hammer Securities because they are just marauders but better. also surprisingly close. they really don't give you much compared to normal marauders apparently
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
They are slightly better than WoL marauders(+25% hp/+20% damage), but about equal to LotV marauders.
@brendonda1
@brendonda1 2 жыл бұрын
@@dimitarlinov2393 so basicallly that fight was more or less a coin toss
@anonimus370
@anonimus370 2 жыл бұрын
Did the Goliath actually use the dual attack or were they too far away for the anti ground attack to reach?
@co2metal
@co2metal 2 жыл бұрын
I am not a smart person, what does the red and blue triangle symbol under minerals/gas mean?
@alexanerose4820
@alexanerose4820 2 жыл бұрын
More campaign unit VS please. Like the good ol fanshioned dragoon vs viking or reaver vs colossus Thank you
@jigokutsuushin
@jigokutsuushin 2 жыл бұрын
Diamondbacks, Zerglings, Goliaths, Hammer Sec 4/4 yay! Things got really close in Goliaths vs Collossi haha
@shlomosuke
@shlomosuke 2 жыл бұрын
1/4... damn, those were so close
@Trades46
@Trades46 2 жыл бұрын
The Diamondback does bonus against armored, so I'm not surprised. Lol given the Cyclone boasts that he can "drive circles around that Diamondback". Lings with the attack speed upgrade up their tier at least by one, so it is no surprise that even 3/3 Roaches can't kill them. Goaliths finally won something. I was surprised they used their AA missiles against a surface target, but Colossus is treated like an air unit so I guess it makes sense.
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 I completely forget how the cyclone works and it's types or damage bonus
@unclenchasbestos
@unclenchasbestos 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn't multi lock work for goliaths? I could have sworn you got to double up on your DPS in campaign.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber 2 жыл бұрын
Because the goliaths kept standing at 9 range and never stood closer. Their ground weapon has 7 range, and because the battles are A-move vs A-move(with AI ability micro), the goliaths were standing at 9 range at all times, never getting the chance to use their ground weapons. If they had walked up even once, the battle would be tilted further in the favor of the goliath.
@epicgamer-jg6zk
@epicgamer-jg6zk 2 жыл бұрын
diamondbacks would actually be a sick unit in multiplayer
@L3monsta
@L3monsta 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see mengsks' Royal Guard marauders vs Hammer Securities
@jarrakul
@jarrakul 2 жыл бұрын
So I figured out the Hammer Securities vs. marauders thing. Other folks have it mostly right; the Hammers don't seem to have kinetic foam, so they have the same HP total as the marauders. But they do deal more damage. Higher damage/shot, same rate of fire (misleading info is because of timekeeping differences between WoL and LotV). At this stage, it looks like Hammers should die in 6 shots, while marauders take only 5. But that's not accounting for stim. Stim costs a marauder/Hammer 20 hit points, bring their effective total down to 105. A marauder hits a Hammer for 22 damage, meaning that it takes 5 shots to kill. A Hammer hits a marauder for 26, which is *just* too little to make a difference. Four shots brings the marauder down to 1 hp, but it takes 5 to secure the kill. Hammers *are* (individually) stronger than marauders, but it's time-to-kill that counts, not damage, and their higher damage doesn't win them a faster kill time in this matchup.
@SaulGoodman3D2049
@SaulGoodman3D2049 2 жыл бұрын
There are no time-keeping differences. SC2 has always shown its cooldowns and rates at Normal game speed, which is real-time. Much of LotV was just rebalanced to be much faster to keep up with the 12 worker start, including upgrade times, unit training times, and attack rates.
@shawnruby7011
@shawnruby7011 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 + Cyclones don't get mass range position benefit as they're both ranged so it came down to can one diamond back destroy 2.4 and that seems correct. + It was just too many zerglings. I had to check to see if they were un-upgraded. - Yah love to see it. I figured this may be their comeback but I was honestly stuck between the two and decided the gollies would derp too much for their numbers to matter. With human micro this isn't even a question. + No idea so chose meme unit.
@underfall2749
@underfall2749 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like that would have gone better for the goliaths if they stagger stepped towards the colossi to make use of there simotanius attack
@BenHyle
@BenHyle 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 today, but those goliaths almost let me down.
@DrownedInExile
@DrownedInExile 2 жыл бұрын
Goliaths actually won a round? Shocking!
@GrommiD
@GrommiD 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Goliaths.
@Andre_-lHl-_Carmona
@Andre_-lHl-_Carmona 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 damn those goliaths
@julianfarnam6246
@julianfarnam6246 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 I remember the first time I used cyclones I thought “oh it’s the diamondback but worse” I knew zerglings would win but didn’t expect it to be that close, I forgot roaches hit so hard I guessed goliaths would win but WOW that came down to the wire, I thought it was all over when it got down to a 1v1 buffed marauder vs marauder the buffed guy should win right? Although after seeing the fight I’m wondering how exactly the hammer security is actually different from the marauder, since their HP and damage seem almost the same
@erickuo2786
@erickuo2786 2 жыл бұрын
More like all the roaches are doing damage as a group while half of the Zerglin are running in circle doing nothing xd
@bufansun7812
@bufansun7812 2 жыл бұрын
3/4, watch those cyclones melting like snowflakes! I overestimated the roaches.
@Win32error854
@Win32error854 2 жыл бұрын
How did that last fight turn out so close? Hammer Securities have pretty decently improved stats don’t they? Not a similar percentage to war pigs, but I’m reading 25% health and 20% damage. That can’t be right.
@SaulGoodman3D2049
@SaulGoodman3D2049 2 жыл бұрын
It's 25% more health than the WoL campaign marauders, who have 100 health without the kinetic foam upgrade. These are LotV marauders, who have 125 health by default, same as HammerSec. And in terms of damage, they only do +4 more than the marauders, which lets them kill marauders in one less hit than likewise, but here's the catch; LotV marauders have a much higher attack speed (1.07 to HammerSec's 1.5), so it was actually a fairly even fight.
@ThisIsntAYoutuber
@ThisIsntAYoutuber 2 жыл бұрын
​@@SaulGoodman3D2049 Although the point about the HP is correct, Hammer Securities had a 1.5s RoF in BLIZZARD time(Normal). If it was measured in REAL time(Faster), then the mercs should also have had a 1.07s RoF. The LotV numbers displayed on the units in ladder are to reflect the speed and attack speed values under Faster time, and the Hammer Securities never had their tooltips updated from HotS values to reflect that. Tya made an oopsie and kept the Hammer Securities at 1.5s RoF under Faster time.
@SaulGoodman3D2049
@SaulGoodman3D2049 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThisIsntAKZbinr What? Other way round. Normal is real-time, Faster is what fans call "Blizzard time" (1.75x speed). As far back as WoL the time values on everything are displayed with Normal instead of Faster, this is unchanged for HotS and LotV. The only thing LotV changed was that the in-game match time displays real-time hours/minutes/seconds regardless of game speed, the actual game's timekeeping is completely unchanged. Tya probably just dropped in HammerSec and marauders into Direct Strike without tweaking any values (because why would he?), and you can see LotV marauders firing faster than HammerSec. LotV in general is just faster than HotS. That was a conscious design choice from Blizzard.
@merikmalhads1676
@merikmalhads1676 2 жыл бұрын
Lolz, nearly double the resources into them and the typhoons who claim to run circles around dimondbacks get smote
@dongbeng
@dongbeng 2 жыл бұрын
Wow Goliaths actually won something for a change
@Sathrus04
@Sathrus04 2 жыл бұрын
The Goliaths finally won one!
@RenTed.
@RenTed. 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know what is the name of this map?
@alexandreblanc9294
@alexandreblanc9294 2 жыл бұрын
2/4 colossi against goliath was so close... but i loose also with diamondback... cyclones are really weak when they dont go back!
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
120 hp cyclone vs 200 hp diamondback with 2 more range and 52 anti-armor damage. If they had campaign upgrades, diamondback +50hp and +1 range for 10 total range.
@momom6197
@momom6197 2 жыл бұрын
4 out of 4, for the first time! Finally!
@fluffydbeast7557
@fluffydbeast7557 2 жыл бұрын
2/4 roaches fked me over and also i always bet against goliaths bevause of experience with this channel xD
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
Goliaths are just a good unit, provided they get their upgrades and are vs armored.
@erickuo2786
@erickuo2786 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 Almost lose the bet on Goliath vs Colossus
@taelim6599
@taelim6599 2 жыл бұрын
2/4. I overestimated roaches and underestimated the durability of paperliaths
@SpritePony
@SpritePony 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the Goliaths vs Colossus match-up was not done right. The Goliaths having the Multi-Lock Weapon Systems upgrade and NOT walking into the Colossi for not only better damage density but also having both attacks shooting was a major issue. Range of the ground attack is 7 (after range upgrade) and the air attack is 10 (assuming they are Swann's models) or 9 (if campaign.)
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
That's how the units behave when a-moved, also walking them closer would have allowed the 2nd row of colossi to attack them.
@DoomieGruntVentures
@DoomieGruntVentures 2 жыл бұрын
So much for running circles around Diamondbacks...
@cliffwood7386
@cliffwood7386 2 жыл бұрын
1. I never know how mass of either of these units will go since I never see it. I'll go Diamondbacks - their shoot-while-moving tends to be p good in these matchups. Result: Cleaned em right up! 2. Not well-versed in ZvZ but I want to say Roaches are good versus lings on account of armor. Roaches. Result: Agh, the full surround takes it! 3. Goliaths cannot be underestimated. Colossi win. Result: No fuckin way. One Goliath. Oof. 4. Confused about this matchup - equal numbers of nearly identical units, except one is strictly better? Hammer wins right? Result: Hammer wins, not sure how that was meant to ever go the other way. 2/4, coin flip
@GolemRising
@GolemRising 2 жыл бұрын
uggghhh 1/4, my worst thus far. Only got the last one and even then it was far closer than I expected considering one unit is supposed to just be a better version.
@dimitarlinov2393
@dimitarlinov2393 2 жыл бұрын
Hammer securities is better than WoL marauder, but this is LotV marauder.
@michaelmichaelsen3472
@michaelmichaelsen3472 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 today I am buying a lottery ticket!!!
@danielmclean3733
@danielmclean3733 2 жыл бұрын
Goliaths?????
@OregonFlunder47
@OregonFlunder47 2 жыл бұрын
Goliath!
@eamonworden4369
@eamonworden4369 2 жыл бұрын
Day 2 of asking for 5 of every unit in each race to face off plssss
@facundodelgado4907
@facundodelgado4907 2 жыл бұрын
2:04 hahahaha
@argokarrus2731
@argokarrus2731 2 жыл бұрын
4/4 Diamonbacks I think are longer ranged and tankier than Cyclones. Lings, especially max upgraded ones are just good, the faster attack is insanely powerful Goliath had range upgrade, and could use both it's anti-air and anti-ground attack. Mercs are better than normies. Easy hammer sec win
@coyrex1250
@coyrex1250 2 жыл бұрын
How was the last one so close? I thought hammer securities had way more health and damage?
@BenHyle
@BenHyle 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't necessarily translate into killing faster or living longer. If it doesn't mean they take one more hit to die, or kill their opponent one shot faster, it doesn't make a difference.
@Altom941
@Altom941 2 жыл бұрын
They are only like +20% damage and 25% HP. Some of the lowest among the mercs.
@SaulGoodman3D2049
@SaulGoodman3D2049 2 жыл бұрын
Only +4 damage, which meant they took one less hit to kill from a marauder than vice-versa, and they have more HP than the campaign marauders; the versus marauders have the same HP and higher attack rate. So it really just came down to whether you trusted marauder DPS or raw HS damage.
@coyrex1250
@coyrex1250 2 жыл бұрын
@@SaulGoodman3D2049 so its cause the versus marauders are a lot different then, that makes sense.
@coyrex1250
@coyrex1250 2 жыл бұрын
@@Altom941 thats still significant.
@MandalorianOfMiatas
@MandalorianOfMiatas 2 жыл бұрын
Goliaths finally won!
@하트-b7g
@하트-b7g 2 жыл бұрын
누가좀 알려줘요 미네랄, 가스밑에 숫자는 무엇을 의미하는거야?
@ffarkasm
@ffarkasm 2 жыл бұрын
- - + - 3/4 (No shit on the third round, it might have been as well 4/4.)
@NineNoRouge
@NineNoRouge 2 жыл бұрын
Goliath for the win!!!
@M.B___
@M.B___ 2 жыл бұрын
Still disappointed in the Goliath, such a seemingly OP upgrade and it still sucks.
@JoseFrituz
@JoseFrituz 2 жыл бұрын
next time who would win 50 goliats vs 500 colossus xD
@tsundude4320
@tsundude4320 2 жыл бұрын
3/4 cyclones suck, give us diamondbacks!
@KeppyKep
@KeppyKep 2 жыл бұрын
I'm starting to feel like Diamondbacks are a little overused in your videos. They seem to be by far the most common campaign unit.
@Tya.
@Tya. 2 жыл бұрын
It's kinda funny, because personally I felt I was overusing the Odin and goliaths... I've deliberately avoided using the Odin for now since like all my most viewed videos for the month are about it and I didn't want people to get sick of the big ol' mech.
@namelycantaloupe683
@namelycantaloupe683 2 жыл бұрын
Day 2 of asking for scouts vs wraiths
@kamnale1317
@kamnale1317 2 жыл бұрын
goliats finally won something, hammers so lame?
@gugas3013
@gugas3013 2 жыл бұрын
4 on 4 GG ez
@blun7m4n85
@blun7m4n85 2 жыл бұрын
dude 0/4
@elgren-eplave-3482
@elgren-eplave-3482 2 жыл бұрын
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