Can 100 Marauders take on 160 Vikings?

[@Tya.]

HMMM Round 1 ▶ 160 Vikings vs 100 Marauders Round 2 ▶ 100 Ravagers vs 150 High Templar Round 3 ▶ 100 Ghosts vs 20 Carriers Round 4 ▶ 100 Dark Templar vs 125 Queens

[@laszlogasd]

I'll go with: 1: Marauders 2: Ravagers 3: Carriers 4: DTs Edit after results: 1: Marauders pulled through as I hoped. 2: Didn't expect the storms to be enough to kill everything. 3: A bit surprised, but I'm glad to be wrong on this one. 4: Didn't think it would be this close, the transfuses were almost too much to cut through. Over all, 2/4

[@DevDungeon]

"Oh, Dark Templars will certainly wreck the queens." "Oh god the queens are gonna win!" "See, I knew Dark Templars would win."

[@Graatand]

Queens were so close. The split and mistargetting at the end cost them.

[@blackthrone6976]

the way i see it, the queens were a greater win, since DTs cost way more than queens... sadly, this is a monobattle, so they'll still lose in the end

[@dimitarlinov2393]

@@blackthrone6976 in resource cost for this type of mode, DTs cost 17500 while queens cost 20625, so they definitely had the resource advantage.

[@blackthrone6976]

@@dimitarlinov2393 oh... probably should play protoss again then, i thought they were a lot more expensive...

[@1q34w]

They are. They also use a lot of gas.

[@dimitarlinov2393]

@@1q34w there is no gas resource though. Only minerals. Exception being some of the commanders.

[@erisdiscordia5429]

0:45 that detachment of high templars is god damn fabulous!

[@curtisstephens4482]

If the queens targeted the weakest of the last two dts I think they would've won

[@spamhonx56]

looking at it from the other side, i was worried the DTs would lose because they weren't focus-firing either.

[@lukeari9890]

Queens need to be on creep.

[@seanwhitman8353]

3/4. I was surprised that Psy Storm did so much damage, given that High Templar are so squishy. Everything else was pretty clear cut. Marauders stomp Vikings. Ghosts are the same strat as BCs against Carriers. Though I will admit I was worried for the DTs at the end, as it came down to how long Queens energy would last.

[@Kragh50]

I was also surprised by HT. Didn't take into account that HT had x3 the army value.

[@ulisesmorones5222]

@@Kragh50 only about 50% more army value, and very heavily inclined to vespene. Still, I was also surprised, we had seen previous engagements between ravagers and templars, guess there is a critical mass they can reach.....

[@Kragh50]

@@ulisesmorones5222 I don't care about ladder unit cost. This is Direct Strike and the game is balanced around the fact that you can't micro units. 14000 Army value for ravagers and 41250 army value for High templars.

[@jackal327]

3/4, high Templars surpassed my expectations

[@marmilo1334]

same lol

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

I mean, that's 150 HT's against 50 less ravagers. I'd be side eyeing Protoss balance if 300 storms lost against that.

[@PreacherDPT]

In every one of these, any time I see carriers I think "so carriers lose" even if I don't know what they're going against

[@DrownedInExile]

Hardly surprising the Marauders won over the Vikings. Didn't expect the DT's to win against the Queens, pretty exciting!

[@firestuka8850]

A dude in a marine suit with essentially a futuristic cannon can take out a heavy mech that can fly with 2 gatling guns. Dudes with a snipe rifles can take out a fleet of orbital mini cities with several starfighters. A transport ship is an entire mission . Perfectly balanced as all things should be. I call hax. The other two match ups I'm got . I was amazed at how powerful Terran bio is.

[@JimRaynorRaider]

In lore, normal marines can go up against a tank and win. Terran tech is damn advanced.

[@HarmKaban]

In real life a dirt farmer with an RPG and a little bit of luck takes out a tank so it checks out imo. Ghosts can infiltrate and sabotage carriers, it's just depicted as "shooting at the carriers", also carriers are depicted as 100 times tinier than they really are.

[@dimitarlinov2393]

@@HarmKaban not to mention lore-wise ghosts are a lot stronger, not just anti-bio snipe and emp (which is kinda like the ghosts being the battery, while the equipment does the job). In lore, they can absolutely bend materials, mind lash, and what not, like 3-4 ghosts taking out entire zerg hatcheries and stuff.

[@JimRaynorRaider]

@@dimitarlinov2393 aren't the ghost handicap as well? Like Sarah removed the limiters on her powers and became more powerful

[@dimitarlinov2393]

@@JimRaynorRaider depends on ghost by ghost, generally. Sarah was handicapped in part because of the mind control surgery, which is known to reduce the psionic power by a lot, on top of other side effects.

[@Slimurgical]

It really is fascinating to see just how much terran needs stimpack if they go bio. I'd like to see an episode dedicated to bunker layouts versus lings. that could be fun i think.

[@grantcarlson8524]

+1, this would be a really fun way to see the effectiveness of different defense setups

[@MrSang-py3dd]

Whoa! Did not expect the High Templars to win! That's a surprise for me!

[@leobusuttil1014]

One of my first 4/4s got very nervous with DT vs Queens

[@sephirothjc]

A ghost army after barely beating a fleet of carriers that was half the cost of resources: 'that's what I call some ass whopping!'

[@СерикДаулет-х5я]

Ravagers are insanely good at fight without kiting battles. So they near to victory againts nearly 3x of their cost same tier unit.

[@peterkeithleung4055]

Someone:U know ur screw when Viking lands Marauders:hmm

[@tsundude4320]

Queens healing off Creep? Improssibru

[@cosmicprog1]

I cant believe that ghosts won!

[@shawnruby7011]

2/4 + Marauders are smaller and will get more firepower in and derp around less. There wasn't an issue with derp but this was a type advantage face-off in terms of attack so Marauders could just employ that better. - I was surprised the HT's had enough storms to cover the edges. Ig it's just a case of walking in in columns. + I felt feedback would be doing the most work here. - So close and it seemed like queens may win at the end and I was going to say that could've went DT's just as well. I think the case is just that the DT's were more compact and could attack more where a lot of queen micro went to healing the other queens.

[@13g0man]

Also with the Marauders they have bonus to Armored, while grounded Vikings do bonus to Mechanical.

[@kevinmartin78]

The Terran ball is sick

[@GolemRising]

2/4 and man that last one almost made it 1/4. High templars actually pick up a win for once!

[@matthewpelletier6900]

Imagine being The Golden Armada, the pride of the Protoss military, and losing a fight to a bunch of guys with big rifles. Poor carriers.

[@buttergod42]

3/4, why is it when I finally vote against High Templar they finally decide to win.

[@grishy8203]

the last queen micro was just so painful

[@davidkim617]

Queens... Always think too OP and it finally proved!

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

To be fair it was 250 supply of queens. If you get a player on the ladder making 200 supply of queens (not even drones lol) you're gonna have an easy time.

[@trassage]

3\4 +Vikings vs Marauders. Vikings deal bonus damage and have tasty range. -Ravagers vs Templars. My usual formula "storms end, bullets don't" didn't work. Ravagers are soft for storms. +Ghosts vs Carriers. I don't know how but Ghosts counter everything. Even the ships that in real scale are vast as cities. +Dark Templar vs Queens. Queens won't outsustain the dps. (God that was close. Of onle the Queens had targeted the weaker one)

[@ElkaPME]

4/4 my wish to stop ravager bs came true Marauders win the match easy, they're not mech while vikings are armored While templars are squishy, biles however, have one of the smallest aoe in the game and it allowed numerically superior templars to launch more volleys of storms to win It was a matter of time before all the carriers get destroyed, since emp strip pretty all of their shields (imagine that on archons instead) Dt dps outruns transfuze and as it allowed them to still kill queens effectively. While it was a dangerously close match, I knew that queen dps suffer much more once their numbers thin.

[@joeblack5253]

3/4, my bet was against high templars, but ravagers were not enough to sustain for 1 more round

[@JosueC730]

DT vs queens was so close, only 2 survived.

[@TheWyrmSuperior]

The DT comebaaaaack!

[@You-ul8qw]

I once had a game back in gold league on cyber forest I still remember. It was a TvT. My opponent had beat me with a cheesy and stupid timing, killed my main and natural, however I still had my 3rd (or maybe it was my 4th) which was a planetary. I built some production around my planetary base and the planetary held and killed the entire army of my opponent because he refused to pull back for some reason. I don't know if it was because he was bronze league level at everything except for the timing, or if he was trolling, but he proceeded to make only ghosts for the next 10 minutes and send them one at a time to nuke me. I still had an orbital which I couldn't use to take a base because of his army but I also had missile turrets for detection. I never lost more than 3 workers and a missile turret and some addons I believe to a single nuke, cause I spotted every one and lifted structures and pulled units in the way, or just kill the ghost. I proceeded to rebuild my bio slowly and steadily, whilst he switched his army comp completely and went mass landed vikings. Eventually I managed to get a second base as well which I had to turn to a planetary to hold it. I also had some medivacs remaining from before I lost my main. He yeeted army after army of landed vikings into a planetary and pure, perfectly microed marauders and I can tell you, they die so hard to marauders, and do *literally nothing* to marauders with medivac healing back. (I had turrets and some marines and good micro to save my medivacs from air vikings) I ended up winning because of this. Often with him having quadruple the army size, but still getting rext. For some reason he never went back to his original army which he beat me with at the start of the game, until he was only 1 base up on me (he sucked much harder than I did in a regular game so I whooped his ass). I think I also transitioned to a massive BC army as well (I loved BCs, and I was really good at using them to, I'd beaten mass voidrays, tempests, vikings ect with BCs back in the day...) It is still both the single greatest comeback I have ever played, and that I have ever seen.

[@diogog.fernandes6650]

3/4. High templars winning anything were a surprise.

[@legionofpie]

I'm curious how "Ghost Vs Carrier" would have gone if they shot interceptors.

[@andreiusar2354]

i think the ghost would have still won because of high damage with a pretty fast fire rate they would be like marines but much better

[@legionofpie]

@@andreiusar2354they do two-shot interceptors though, and bullet units do have over kill protection in sc2. I'm not so sure.

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

@@legionofpie They 4-shot interceptors. Even though they're light, interceptors have 40 HP and 40 shields and benefit from armour/shield upgrades.

[@legionofpie]

@@SaulGoodman3D2049 huh.. guess I need to visit the wiki. Did not know interceptors were that big. I must be thinking in BW.

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

@@legionofpie Ghosts actually do way worse against interceptors in BW since they have the same HP, and ghosts only do full, not bonus damage, against small, and need 8 shots to kill an interceptor if they're equal on upgrades. However, not gonna lie I had a brain fart at the time I was writing that first reply and forgot EMP existed! Half of interceptors' total health comes from shields, so if an EMP were casted on them then yes, ghosts could reliably 2-shot interceptors provided they're equal on upgrades. That's probably why you were thinking ghosts can 2-shot interceptors.

[@unclenchasbestos]

I'd have sworn that 20 carriers would out deeps 100 ghosts. Whoops.

[@silas13013]

4/4 this time. DT v queen was a lot closer than I thought it would be

[@rogerxiao4458]

4/4 that dark templar vs queen fight was very close

[@piotrkolanek1920]

3/4, I thought carriers would have enough bulk even considering the EMPs + they benefit from these attack upgrades so much better Anyway, nice one, as usual!

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

They're also a lot less effective against armour upgrades since their attacks are split into two. That potential max damage of 16 is brought back down to 10, and if they had no attack upgrades at all it would have been 4.

[@lancelindlelee7256]

Benefitting more from Attack upgrades also mean hurting more from opponent armor upgrades. No attack on carrier and no armor on ghosts would be the same result.

[@uwesca6263]

Maybe you could do the hero jim rayner, tychus, and co from the nydus worm mission against kerrigan

[@hubrisdog7358]

Imagine a starcraft 2 mod that mirrors total warhammer that would be cool

[@ObliviousNaga]

Viking amaze me every time. We all knew the marauders would have won it but a lot went down

[@isharkmaranyon1266]

more dragoon and goliath plz...

[@WaterCrane]

Damn, only 1/4 this time. I knew the Marauders would win, but I got the Ravager vs. HT wrong... seems the storms did enough damage after all! Ghosts vs. Carriers... I thought the Ghosts would get mullered because they wouldn't target the Interceptors and practically kill them as they launch... but they won anyway, which surprised me. DT vs. Queens, I thought the Queens had it, but once the numbers thinned, everyone was attacking, and that final Shadow Stride at the end clinched the win with a bit of divide and conquer.

[@ilianos]

From a statistical point of view, it would be interesting to know which units (even from the once that died!) had the most kills. In my opinion, from that many units, it is not so important which once survived.

[@Doost311]

my first perfect score, the ghosts almost got me because I figured they would win with emp AND snipe (I forgot they can't snipe mech). Turns out they win without snipe

[@bluesbest1]

3/4 So close. I always bet on Marauders when they go against armored targets, especially ones with a mere machine gun. Those storms, man. Without someone there to micro the masses away, they just keep charging in and standing in it. Ghosts are so powerful against big Protoss with their EMP. I still say the Queens should've won, with their healing and ranged attack. DTs are really only good because of their cloaks.

[@rohdri]

They're also pretty hard hitting really. Queens meanwhile just don't have that much DPS.

[@joeblack5253]

Healing over time is not so good against dts burst.

[@noppornwongrassamee8941]

@@rohdri I think the lack of mobility off creep also hurt the Queens. You can two at the end that could do nothing but watch their sister die simply because they were too slow and too far away to help at the time. Almost any other unit could have hit the remaining DTs while they were still occupied.

[@rohdri]

@@noppornwongrassamee8941 oh it did, no doubt. The dark templar just had the DPS to damage past the healing

[@thecommentguy9380]

Ghost experience: dont you guys have shields?

[@14GoOdLiFe]

Silly or not, I was so happy for the victory of the Dark Templars! En Taro Zeratul

[@rayman3320]

have you considered naming these series something? obviously i have no clue but you know

[@titocristobal5573]

Basically, anything that has Ghosts on it, that side will win.

[@TheOdMan]

4/4 But damn, the DT's vs Queens and Carriers vs Ghosts where nailbiters.

[@kilimnataniahu4175]

Why were the ghost not snipping? This would be over much sooner.

[@Burt1038]

Can only be used on bio targets

[@SaulGoodman3D2049]

What fleshy exposed organs are there on carriers to snipe?

[@Burt1038]

@@SaulGoodman3D2049 I guess if the commander of the ship sticks his head out the window to catch a cool breeze XD

[@habib3991]

I feel like the templar should merge in archons when low on energy

[@diffuusio4852]

3/4 The first time I see high templars winning.

[@kaloyanradkov8962]

Imo stealth units should win 100% of the times in battles where the enemy has 0 detection units....

[@namelycantaloupe683]

Do wraiths vs scouts

[@ssanneentransicionabismarc3564]

If there is something I learned from these vs, it is that the carriers are worth nothing

[@dannylee1523]

Carriers screw up micro for the enemy team. However, interceptors are untargetable in these scenarios (hurts carriers most of the time, except vs some units such as liberator) and there is almost no micro in these fights anyway.

[@asterpw]

Pre-watch guess: Marauders, Ravagers, Ghosts, Queens... beh 2/4 Those ravagers couldn't weather the storms and the queens got a little unlucky

[@dinartese7en]

exactly my prevision, indeed the queens were unlucky and who would guess the High templars would not derp the storms this time (2/4)

[@julianfarnam6246]

3/4 I thought the ravengers size would save them from the storms

[@taelim6599]

2/4. I underestimated the high templars and the dark templars.

[@coyrex1250]

Got the first and last right

[@SoundwaveSC]

3/4. I always seem to bet on carriers and I'm always disappointed lmao

[@michaelmichaelsen3472]

damn I bet on the carriers other than that it was 3 out of four today

[@Kragh50]

3/4 ✅Marauders win, not even close. They're smaller so more of them can hit at the same time and they got bonus dmg vs armored. ❌I thought ravagers would win that but after looking at army value I'm not surprised HT won. They have 27k more army value. ✅No matter how much we shit on them, ghosts still have good stats and the EMP remove 1/3 of the carrier hp. ✅DT dps is really high while queens is really low. Was much closer than I thought.

[@tomdabomb999]

Who shits on ghosts? They're regarded as the best units in the game vs P and Z

[@Kragh50]

@@tomdabomb999 And they're pretty situational in Direct Strike. The ladder balance doesn't matter in this kind of battle. Most of the good Direct Strike players shit on ghost because 90% of the time you're better off with something else.

[@tomdabomb999]

@@Kragh50 I'd argue ladder balance does matter considering the units are stat-wise completely the same as they are on the ladder

[@LeCh1mp]

Last Viking takes off well looks like a stalemate lets call it a draw.

[@HotLogic1990]

3/4. So close , if only queens had better micro

[@cliffwood7386]

1. Good anti-armor units vs mediocre armored units - I think Marauders have it. Only edge Vikings have is numbers/resources. Result: As expected. 2. I think the usual will happen - tons of Ravagers will die to Storms, then the surviving Ravagers will murder the rest of the HT, Ravagers win. Result: They didn't run out of Storms soon enough this time, darn. 3. If they target the interceptors the ghosts can win, but I don't think they will. Carriers. Result: Close, but too much of a resource gap. 4. DTs so rarely win but I always want to root for them. Go DTs! Result: Those black healthbars on the Queens are hard to see. But yay DTs! 2/4, coin flip type beat

[@FlyingDominion]

I only predicted the marauders correctly.

[@mysham422]

Can 1000 Pandorian avatars take on 160 Vikings 😃

[@sambrisc1156]

Fuck man , always i get a recommendation for your video i click and watch

[@alexandreblanc9294]

3/4 Templars stacks their storms but it was enough for 100 ravagers...

[@dustet2738]

2/4 Viking,Templar,ghosts,Queens thought Viking would out DPS marauders knew temper storm strong emp kills protos thought queens would kill templar with range advantedge

[@jgkmoff]

ayyy my first 4/4!

[@prane9448]

0/4 F's in the chat

[@pedrorezende4873]

with a little micro the queens would have won against the DTs

[@WLECHO]

Answer is: No, Vikings can fly!

[@jigokutsuushin]

Marauders, Ravagers, Carriers, Queens 1/4 lols I thought Ravagers got it but the next wave of storms just ate through them

[@김캍]

3/4 I underestimate HTs

[@YorkJHernandez]

Marauders Ravagers Ghosts Queens 2/4 aint bad. That last second where the queens were split *and* they started target firing the higher health dt really fucked em

[@Moze9116899]

4/4, always bet against carriers.

[@quym373]

can 100 marauders take on 160 vikings. Marauders: stim pack Vikings: fighter mode then they live hapily forever after.

[@gersonarias1904]

queen + talo = win

[@m3hdim3hdi]

YES 4/4 again

[@thisgraincharacter6400]

I really thought Vikings were better than that. 3/4

[@Roberta-yf4ge]

Landed vikings pepehands

[@Andre_-lHl-_Carmona]

2/4

[@gugas3013]

4 on 4 Ez gg

[@gaborsimon3299]

the last one was bullshit

[@alexsu5274]

Carriers are really bad

[@tasjan9190]

Carriers stay getting stomped. POS unit

[@scifitoilet]

4/4 the DT one was pretty lucky guess tho