1000% Better than Harmony - Ava Cinema Remote

[@jimadams2113]

If I can't program it myself, it's a pass for me.

[@ElCidPhysics90]

1000% Refuse to be reliant on another company to program a damn remote for me

[@JilesMcCoy]

Keep your eyes out for some self program remote reviews I have coming!

[@ElCidPhysics90]

@@JilesMcCoy have you or do you plan on reviewing the Allonis Remote?

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@ElCidPhysics90 I dropped them a note asking if they wanted me to do a review. We will see!

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@ElCidPhysics90 Spoke to them and I will see if I can do a review sometime in the new year. Good stuff!

[@incredulousdisbelief9841]

Come on Logitech! You have got to be leaving money on the table here! When my Harmony officially dies it will be a very sad day for me.

[@ElCidPhysics90]

Right? I don’t understand at all why they got out of the remote business

[@JilesMcCoy]

It’s because they were losing huge amount of money on the support side of the house. It cost millions to support the remotes and that eliminated any profit from the sales. So the axe came out. I would have made the same decision. Logitech shouldn’t have bought them in the first place really. But I image they got a great deal.

[@ElCidPhysics90]

@ so how does any other company make a remote?

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@ElCidPhysics90 Like how do they manufacture it or?

[@ElCidPhysics90]

@@JilesMcCoy no. If Logitech made one of the best remotes out there and was losing money how does any other company make money off their remotes?

[@EverythingHomeTheater]

I'll stick with my Harmony for the price until I'm forced to get up and down or use multiple remotes

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’ve still got 2 harmony remotes in case things ever go sideways!

[@DawgBone]

@@JilesMcCoy The lack of physical buttons, is this biggest downfall... NOT for me.... I want to "feel" my way with a remote... not look at it, every time I want something to happen.... It's no different from a phone app... and IMO... pretty stupid and very well overpriced!!!

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@DawgBone It does that. Plenty of hard buttons. You can see the hard buttons in the video.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@DawgBone It has physical buttons. See the video.

[@JLDowdy0311]

Hey Jiles, when you hovered over Robitech and Daredevil in you Kaleidescape poster wall, it said "insert disc to play." Being a strato V owner myself, I haven't seen that before. What does that mean?

[@JilesMcCoy]

That means that I have cataloged the movie with an optical player but haven’t paid for disc to digital yet.

[@wilfredohernandez2257]

I have 2 harmony elites and a harmony ultimate home and all work perfectly for my living room and bedroom setups,tv,receiver,Apple TV,Amazon cube,lights.I will keep using them until they no longer work.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I’ve got 2 harmony sets too!

[@ThatHz-]

Need to see this up against the much better priced and end user controlled Unfolded Circle 3

[@JilesMcCoy]

That would be great.

[@osholajones5084]

Hello great friend .I'm wondering if this remote can be connected to a LED wall using a novasatar video processor ??

[@JilesMcCoy]

If the novastar has remote functionality this remote will be able to handle that. A request can be put in with AVA so they can add the codes. I'd love to get my hands on a LED wall with novastar controller and test for everyone!

[@osholajones5084]

@JilesMcCoy The novasatar has a web based interface at most but no wireless interface unless a plug hardware is introduced into the ecosystem.Dies ava take these coding request seriously ??

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@osholajones5084 I put in a request for IR control for a TCL TV to be added and it was done next day. The device has to have a remote function already created though. The AVA can do IP control so if there is an API for that on the Novastar they should be able to create a driver for it. If the device doesn't have any remote control functionality then AVA wont be able to do anything. tell me about your wall? I am very interested in installing a LED wall in my theater and showing the world!

[@tedscarlett]

@@osholajones5084 Yes, we take them seriously! We deliver on several IR requests each week and our pro installers have access to vote on IP drivers to help us prioritize their developement. Bravia, Samsung, and LG TVs were some of the first things we delivered, in that order, based on votes. Roku and Kalleidescape, similar. Apple TV is coming shortly based on the push from our community.

[@bingdong8571]

this comes in a kit with mad vr and kaleidiscape for rich people. Thanks for the video

[@JilesMcCoy]

Not for rich people, just for hard core people. You can have those 3 pieces for 10k all in if you work with your dealer.

[@bingdong8571]

@@JilesMcCoy ill just assume thats a joke

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@bingdong8571 No, I am quite serious. Why would it be a joke?

[@bingdong8571]

no thanks. Thanks again for the video though

[@osak00006]

Still having issues with Shield?

[@JilesMcCoy]

Not at all. I added in the brain and it’s all working perfectly. I’ll be doing another video showing that soon-ish. It’s an amazing remote.

[@StephenAtt797]

OK Jiles, with your tech background you still stumbled into problems, for $1300 and dealer install, really not in the same class as any of my Harmony hub setups(3). I'm sure you saw Eddy's potion of DJ's 25hr show, so even though its dealer bought it can be unlocked. Looks neat, I still need number keys for my settop box. My concern is they still have work to do (programming etc) and I'm concerned about any of the Harmony wanna-bees having adequate support capabilities, maybe that was the big cost bleed to for Logitech (vs Mouse & keyboards), cause those folks were super helpful during their prime. Regards - Subscriber and cut from the same cloth (IT & Infosec, tinkerer and home sys admin + old guy).

[@JilesMcCoy]

Any of this kind of remote can be unlocked, but that CI will get black listed if the manufacturer finds out. They sign agreements to specifically not do that. The support cost is what got the Harmony line discontinued. The dealer model, where they are on the hook for support , is what makes this viable. (Maybe, anyway… more viable than Harmony.) This was literally my first try and I got wverything working great other than the Shield on the first go. I think that’s pretty darn cool. The Shield with a Harmony was even more of a nightmare. I am very impressed. That all said I still have 2 Harmony remotes!

[@StephenAtt797]

@@JilesMcCoy I have routines for Shield, ATV, UB820 w/ Denon AVR and LG OLED, no issues once I got AVR/TV timing fixed.

[@matta9316]

Waste of time if it’s not user programmable.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Why? Lots of folks don't want to have to program a remote.

[@ThatHz-]

I agree, if it’s missing what Logitech allowed, use without an integrator, why bother?

[@yashwingokavarapu6845]

Agreed the comparison is wrong

[@AA-ws3vd]

Perfect timing. I need to replace my 8 year old Apple TV remote and combine others.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its really nice.

[@supernovamoore6175]

Everything nice, except the price!😂😂😂

[@JilesMcCoy]

:-0

[@kenshinesca]

I'll stick with my 30-40 dollar sofabaton.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Review incoming!

[@Macroproxy]

Ready for the follow up.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I am working on that right now. I am going to add the nano brain to the system!

[@gsanchez922]

A remote that cost more than my 65 tv, x3800h, Xbox series x or blu ray or fire cube tv. Hmm sounds reasonable

[@JilesMcCoy]

Its all relative.

[@jasonsullivan8001]

That Nvidia shield is a little touchy. I have a Vizio 75 inch TV and they don’t get along at all.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I was using Apple for a while and I have fallen in love with the shield again!

[@jasonsullivan8001]

@ I bought an apple I haven’t used it yet.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@jasonsullivan8001 right on

[@paulc5389]

Doesn't seem.. remotely.. worth it compared to unfolded circles.

[@JilesMcCoy]

I need to try one of those!

[@paulc5389]

@JilesMcCoy give them a shout and see if you can jump the queue in return for a review. Then try not to go too far down the home assistant rabbit hole lol. Those remotes can basically do anything and control anything and they're a fraction of the price of this one.

[@osak00006]

@@paulc5389they just put the power button in the most annoying place - leading to accidental power offs

[@Bimmerstye1]

Stopped watching after "pro installer device". I'm not gonna pay for someone installing something that I'm perfectly capable of installing myself.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Thanks for trying! Watch for some self program remote reviews coming soon!

[@ElCidPhysics90]

Didn’t we learn our lesson from Harmony to not rely on the manufacturer

[@JilesMcCoy]

That’s one reason this one is better. Not only from a hardware point of view but from a support model and software point of view.

[@ElCidPhysics90]

@@JilesMcCoy but it’s not if you have to rely on someone to program it.

[@JilesMcCoy]

@@ElCidPhysics90 we just have different points of view. I used all the Logitech’s and they weren’t nearly as nice or powerful than this remote. And they weren’t able to stay in business either. I still have 2 logitechs.

[@chriswyatt9868]

Huge fail if its not consumer programmable. Thats why Harmony is still the best. Who wants the hassle to get the remote reprogrammed everytime they change out components. Make no sense to buy this remote.

[@JilesMcCoy]

Tha is for watching!