104 - "There are no Soviet Prisoners of War, only Traitors" - WW2 - August 22, 1941

Josef Stalin is forming new armies to fight off the German onslaught, and yet it continues gaining ground both in the north and in the south. He also issues Draconian orders to the Red Army concerning any form of surrender.
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[@WorldWarTwo]

Orders orders and more orders this week as both Stalin and Hitler try and get ahold of the vast and chaotic situation along the battlefront, but nefarious war crimes and atrocities continue to lurk in the background. We cover the humanitarian crisis created both deliberately and by collateral effects that the war has on the world population in our War Against Humanity series that is now coming out every second week to keep up with the increasing pace of terror. To get the full experience of the chronological developments, follow those formats too: WW2 Day by Day on Instagram: instagram.com/world_war_two_realtime/ War Against Humanity playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLsIk0qF0R1j4cwI-ZuDoBLxVEV3egWKoM Read our rules of conduct before you comment: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@mr.perfectpanda9155]

You make epic videos! Best history channel ever!!!!!!!!

[@remenir97]

Hey guys, its been two weeks since the War against Humanity was uploaded. When will it come?

[@suvaraih2266]

Was this video posted on Timeghost website? I don't seem to see it.

[@thom_wye]

can you please clarify the statement on Soviets cloning their units?

[@cookingonthecheapcheap6921]

I know it's looking into the future. But it's terrifying to think that on the eastern front, the lost were the equivalent to the population of my country's population by wars end.

[@speedydb55]

Stalin: "From now on, LOSING IS BANNED!"

[@moosemaimer]

"Our forces have been defeated!" "This cannot be! I made that illegal!"

[@SilverFox-qr1ci]

So, Stalin created the cancel culture. We are cancelling surrender.

[@kennethbedwell5188]

Shouldn’t that be “canceled?”

[@cookingonthecheapcheap6921]

QUIT EXPLODING YOU COWARDS!

[@shaider1982]

Interestingly, Lyndon Johnson also made losing Khe Sahn illegal during the Tet offensive.

[@hannahskipper2764]

German officer: I think we're screwed. Russian officer: I think we're screwed.

[@Sezwer]

Narrator: "They were yet to find out how right they were."

[@profharveyherrera]

I don't know who was worse to their officers, Stalin or Hitler. Would the USSR had held against the Germans if Stalin wasn't so hard on their people? Would Germany had conquered the USSR if Hitler wasn't so stubborn and listened to his generals? Guess will never know

[@ShiningTrapezoid]

@@profharveyherrera Germany had zero chance of conquering the USSR

[@Sezwer]

@@ShiningTrapezoid Pretty much. What had happened was the absolute best case scenario for the Germans. Millions of prisoners taken, vast swathes of land occupied within the first MONTHS of the war and they just couldn't capitalize(heh) on that.

[@serendipitousconversations]

@@ShiningTrapezoid they definitely had a shot actually, Germany needed allies, just like the USSR had allies eg. US, GB and its colonies. A Japanese attack from the far East would have definitely obliged the USSR to transfer a big chunk of its army to meet the Japanese. This latter will not be an easy foe. That would certainly alleviate some burden off the German Heer and make the offensive easier. They could have won the war against the Soviets in a year tops. But again, Germany was on its own, with extravagantly unreliable allies like the Italians or the Romanians, they simply weren't of the caliber of the allies that the Russians had. The Wehrmacht needed direct effective military help from a strong ally, which wasn't there to seal the deal. An extremely complicated alternative history indeed.

[@seeyouchump]

"There are no Soviet POW, only traitors" In the list of "the most Stalin things ever" this deserves a pretty high spot!

[@francescqueralt9681]

Soon, there won't be Soviet POW.

[@davidbrennan660]

Sadly yes, many were dead men walking.

[@annescholey6546]

Music from Fortress of War...

[@gastonbell108]

If you can imagine the mindset of a psychopathic warlord, then it makes perfect sense - "Those who died are heroes (because they can't oppose me), those who fought are risks (because they might oppose me), and those who surrendered are guaranteed to oppose me, thus are fifth-columnists to be liquidated or sent to Gulag." This is how you stay absolute dictator of the world's largest country until your death.

[@canon1753]

David Brennan from either the Nazi’s or the Communists... and Soviet citizens captured by the Western Allies were sent back to the Soviets.... no one was safe...

[@kennedymontoya9962]

You know it's getting serious when Indy does not give a shout-out to a Time Ghost Army member...

[@nygarmik]

Indeed.

[@howardbrandon11]

I'm glad they don't for these types of episodes and War Against Humanity. I think it gives them more of an impact.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

They didn't when Barbarossa began

[@xenoph9380]

@@Infernal460 Liszt*

[@dschulieen]

Wait I'll fix it: "I hope you enjoyed this Episode and a special thanks to my Patreon-Supporters James Bissonette..."

[@ArtrexisLives]

"Maybe there is at least... a *chance* , that I didn't think this through completely." - German OKW

[@dbkarman]

How you here 2 days before release

[@julianrenardy4398]

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[@Pyxis10]

@@julianrenardy4398 Yep. Can't help but be envious of them, but I don't have the cash to spare.

[@julianrenardy4398]

@@Pyxis10 I never skip the ads to support them, does it work?

[@Pyxis10]

@@julianrenardy4398 If you watch them all the way through, yes. At least as far as I know.

[@jaxwagen4238]

Hitler: Who knew this rotten structure had 16 million studs?

[@eesmaaura4961]

Good one XD

[@CovfefeDotard]

Lol

[@kistler1994]

Urrah! Urrah!

[@fnorgen]

You simply kick in the door, and find another door. You kick that in, but hurt your foot. There's another door. You kick it. ("Ouch!") You kick again and break the door open. You limp over to yet another door. The door kicks you.

[@fatehyabali]

And 20 thousand tanks 🥺

[@kennethbedwell5188]

"Relaized the Army would need to be replaced every 4-8 months." Germans: Wait...You're able to do that?

[@Nonsense010688]

that is a pretty amazing number in ever yway... I mean do you think the US would be able or prepared to completely replace all US marines because the others have been wiped (or effectively wiped)? All 200k+ ? All 4-8 months?

[@kemarisite]

We have reserves.

[@bangscutter]

Similar situation in the east, which is why the war in China had come to a stalemate. Japan had better trained and equipped men, but could not replace their losses. Whereas China had practically endless human resource. Both Germany and Japan severely underestimated attrition and logistics problems.

[@Nonsense010688]

@@kemarisite around 40k according to Wiki... thats about 1/5

[@dpeasehead]

@@Nonsense010688 Apparently, one of the few things the Soviet system did well at the beginning of the war was to have a realistic appreciation of what a meat grinder the war would be. Hopefully, the US never becomes the kind of state in which the expendability of fighting men on that kind of scale becomes acceptable thinking.

[@BurnheadLP]

The ending of this episode was just superb, it always annoyed me how many history yt channels don't put the necessary gravitas on the horrors of this conflict, well done and thank you!

[@srenkoch6127]

Agreed, Ending with just that name and in that way was just the most effective way of sending shivers down the spines of those of us who knew beforehand what that insecticide was used for......

[@dallasadams7039]

Indy's thousand yard state is on point.

[@dimitarilkov3188]

imagine after that last line if there were the usual LIKE SUBSCRIBE and check out our patreon.....

[@DavidJarrell]

Haunting, but appropriately so.

[@TheJamiester]

Odd I thought it was hilarious and a prank. Wasn’t that stare about 5 seconds too long?

[@sunjamm222]

That ending just frightens me to the bone. So it begins.

[@cjfields2550]

Sheldon Robertson it’s called empathy. Some of us humans have it

[@theapostatejack8648]

A truly chilling delivery.

[@dpeasehead]

@Sheldon Robertson Because a lot of people didn't learn anything from what transpired 75 years ago and, because a lot of people who were not born then have the same mentality as the really twisted people of that time did, and access to better weapons and technology.

[@wabawoooIII]

@Keith M They didn't start World War I

[@rosiehawtrey]

Hotzendorf & von Moltke (the gormless) started WW1 pretty much single handed. WW2 was pretty much the return fixture. Pershing said correctly that they should have gone into Germany end of WW1 to show them they're beaten. He was right. WW2 was always going to happen because WW1 was the war equivalent of "rain stopped play" and whether you like it or not the Germans were undefeated in the field - hence the rearranged fixture 20 years later. Kind of Millwall vs Anyone but with Panzer IVs instead of baseball bats & Begbie wannabes. Pershing was dead right - a historic first and last - an Inbredistani having an understanding of reality and another point of view.

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

Is Indy questioning Stalin? He might find himself on vacation.

[@kennethbedwell5188]

I hear Siberia is beautiful for the Summer when it falls on the weekend.

[@hemanshuchudasama3535]

Yeah jews are very questionable

[@isaac3702]

He would be sent out east to count trees

[@Fluckye]

Indy? Who's Indy? Never heard of him. Surely this "Indy" never even existed.

[@pariahstat2683]

Better than joining the statistics

[@harrisonvc9175]

Almost every high school history teacher in my school district (St. Vrain Valley School District RE-1J, Longmont Colorado) uses your channel and the great war channel all the time! Isn't it amazing that you and your wonderful production team are responsible for educating hundreds of millions of people all over the world about WWI & WWII in stunning detail?

[@aka99]

Cool. West Central USA. Yes, Channel WW2 hast great topics! Some ofh which is usually rarley mentioned, but there are still lots of things channel ww2 do not talk about, in my opnion.

[@GeeseButLarge]

I went to Skyline in Longmont. Graduated 2014. That’s awesome that teachers are using this, as these videos are not too long, engaging, and stuffed with good knowledge. Wasn’t a thing when I was in class there. Was surprised to see this comment!

[@Valdagast]

I'm beginning to think this whole Barbarossa thing might have been a bad idea.

[@seeyouchump]

Why is everyone saying that?? What's up with this pessimism? It's like people already forgot how France got absolutely crushed in a matter of weeks, back then when everyone used to say they will not make it and definitely not in a month. You remember that?! Last time I checked the Germans are still advancing, even though not with the expected speed. You don't have to win a war perfectly! As soon as the Wehrmacht get control over the industrial heartland in the Ukraine, it's pretty much game over!

[@ziggytheassassin5835]

No youre crazy man, the soviets are gonna fall apart any day now...

[@stc3145]

No, the war will be over by Christmas

[@sirwolfnsuch]

@@viktorkorol477 There is no historical evidence for that whatsoever. And Stalin left a lot of personal notes, so we should have noticed at least a slight hint if he really intended to attack Germany on his own accord. He didn't. Highly unlikely because of military strength in West- and Central Europe. (Not even France was willing to fight Germany if that would directly facilitate communist expansion in Eastern Europe.) Asia and British India were much more enticing targets. And also... Stalin didn't need war with Germany. The Soviet Union would easily overcome Germany by simply playing the economic waiting game. Neither Germany, neither Western Europe, had much to offer the Soviet Union.

[@viktorkorol477]

@@sirwolfnsuch Did Stalin leave personal notes about Great purge plan ?

[@steelhammer103]

That last 90 seconds is the reason why I think Indy is the best historical narrator on KZbin. He knows how to keep you informed but focused at the same time. kudos to that

[@howardbrandon11]

Timestamps: 1:15 Barbarossa - Army Group South This Week feat. Stavka Order 270 3:57 German & Soviet Orders This Week 6:04 Barbarossa - Army Group North This Week 6:30 The Continuing Woes of AG Center 8:59 A Look at the USSR's Seemingly Inexhaustible Supply of Men 11:11 Spanish Soldiers Join the Fight 11:38 Update on Tobruk 12:27 US Warning to Japan 12:57 Summary of the Week 13:11 So It Begins

[@DENMARTEL]

13:58 The Midnight Aproaches

[@alchemist6819]

Was there an order 66?

[@road_king_dude]

So it begins

[@dikkekutgekut4582]

@@road_king_dude what?

[@michaelmutranowski123]

Saying Stalin giving a draconian order is like saying water is wet

[@Pyxis10]

It is?

[@rasmusbrandtpedersen4381]

But water being wet depends on the definition of wet

[@tobybartels8426]

Saying Draco gave a Draconian order is like saying water is wet.

[@theamici]

I think I read somewhere that technically, water is not wet.

[@serendipitousconversations]

Underrated comment

[@enxx2362]

"It takes a brave man to be a coward in the red army" ~Stalin.

[@Raskolnikov70]

There's another quote, something along the lines of "it takes more courage to retreat than advance in the Red Army" attributed to him as well. No idea if it's historically accurate or not, but Stalin's actions and policies show that it was truly the case.

[@gianniverschueren870]

This tie very much looks like it was designed for fall, not summer. That said, I really like the colour and patterning. Nice touch matching with the watchband as well (unless that was accidental). 3.5/5

[@Southsideindy]

With Astrid, it's never accidental.

[@CivilWarWeekByWeek]

I’d say more 4/5. The tie emphasizes the rest of his clothing just like it should.

[@darkgrizzly6608]

Damn. 2 Days ago????? ; - ;

[@Southsideindy]

@@darkgrizzly6608 supporters on Patreon get our content early.

[@shaider1982]

True, though, the Corellian Transport at the top right shelf also seems to have changed color scheme. From olive drab to a sort of mottled gray/brown.

[@gcircle]

That ending. So it begins.

[@maciejkamil]

Indy's eyes at the end... you know that an actor is brilliant if he can use even his eyes to make an impression.

[@karapuzo1]

Stalin's own son Yakov Dzhugashvili was himself at this point a prisoner of war having being captured on 16 July during the Battle of Smolensk. He would die in captivity on 14 April 1943 during an attempt to climb over the camp's electric fence. (the main theory being that the goal was suicide). After the battle of Stalingrad Hitler offered to exchange Yakov for Paulus but Stalin had refused.

[@johnnylebay2059]

Stalin literary did everything to kill as many people as possible during his reign...he had zero appreciation for human life

[@rinyc9100]

Nobody would give a fieldmarshal for his son. NO ONE! This would be a Motherfucking stupid move

[@yulusleonard985]

Paulus actually one of the more capable general. Its stupid to exchange Paulus for nobody.

[@gastonbell108]

Stalin had a psychopath's casual contempt for all human life, including his own family and other people's families. His own wife killed herself and his oldest friend Molotov's wife was in the Gulag until the day Stalin died.

[@onekill31]

Stalin: My own son got locked up in prison, and I didn't save his life.

[@justonemori]

My grandfather was a US 7th Armored tank commander. He helped liberate several smaller camps at the end of the war. The Russians were the only ones not quite overjoyed at liberation. I looked it up and at one of those German camps all the Russians were loaded onto a train and sent straight to a Gulag back east. Sick sad world.

[@Pyxis10]

@Sheldon Robertson Not all of it.

[@lexbor3511]

I watched Holocaust survivor testimony. She said as soon as Soviet POW-s (working as forced labor on a farm nearby) heard their Army is approaching - they all run away.

[@richardmoore5347]

@Kristian La Vigne While I agree that leaving anybody to suffer at the hands of communists is a great evil, Eastern Europe was already held by the Soviets. So not only could they not liberate the eastern countries, they were also faced with the might of the Red Army, which they could not refuse many of the demands of.

[@kemarisite]

@Kristian La Vigne Eisenhower's death camps is a reference to the "other losses" of POWs referenced in allied records and written about by James Bacque. The controversy is a complete crock. The "other losses" refers to hordes of early teens and old men in Volksturm units who were simply disarmed and sent home rather than processed as POWs. While one can criticize the allies for sending Poles, Czechs, etc "home" to be enslaved/shot by the Soviets, James Bacque deserves to be studiously ignored for the rest of his life and then promptly forgotten.

[@yugoslaviaist]

Kristian La Vigne Since I am from ex Yugoslavia and know a bit about history,that what you are saying sir is a big fat lie. Can you please give us the source of that claim “millions of Serbs Croats and Yugoslavs were sent to gulags”.

[@alexamerling79]

"Wasn't the whole rotten structure supposed to come crashing down?"-OKH

[@benismann]

It is crushing right now but not at that side

[@joeyguerra2134]

When he mentioned a new killing method it made my stomach turn and even more so when indy said Zyklon B. God humanity can be so cruel sometimes :(

[@gedeon2696]

Zyklon was produced by IG Farben and Bayer (aspirin) pharmaceuticals !

[@astrobullivant5908]

"The absence of a usable rail-system has forced them[the Nazis] to rely on trucks" --Indy @7:26 "The Entente victory in 1918 was the triumph of French trucks over the German railway." -- Erich Ludendorff And now we really see why Indy referred to that Ludendorff quote at the beginning of his first video about Operation Barbarossa, but trucks are showing their limitations in 1941.

[@Bearded_Tattooed_Guy]

Many of the German trucks used in this part of the war were actually French. The didn't fare well on the Russian dirt roads, anyhow.

[@dpeasehead]

@@Bearded_Tattooed_Guy The French trucks were great in western Europe with its short distances and high quality roads. The Ford 4x4s and Studebaker 6x6s which the Russians used later in the war worked just fine on the bad Russian roads. But the Soviet army still relied heavily on rail with its all weather capability right until the end of the war.

[@andrewparker5096]

A big part of the "Sacred Way" that Ludendorff was really referring to is how its success was mainly one of intelligence in that it was never bombed or shelled. It was said that a single shell would have stopped all the trucks dead in their tracks until the road could be repaired (with logs and mud since that's all there was) they were incredibly fortunate that the road was never hit. Rail is just way more efficient, reliable, and easier to repair and construct. Plus as PEEPER57 says the trucks were going over much, much shorter distances in that war. The NAZI leadership were just idiots who rushed into a bad situation.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

Major difference between driving a truck through France and the Soviet Union

[@nicholasconder4703]

It's a question of distance, as Pepper57 and Christian Weibrecht point out. Like a lot of North America prior to the 1950s, in Russia the vast majority of goods were transported by rail. There were virtually no paved roads. Most freight was transported to distribution centres, then driven perhaps 100km to the final destination. Most people in North America and Europe these days have difficulty understanding that this was the reality the Germans had to deal with in 1941. Since the Russians had demolished the rail system, everything had to be brought in trucks carrying 1-5 tons of cargo all the way from Poland, rather than in trainloads. Spoiler Alert: The Americans and British will have the exact same issue (although caused by their own efficient destruction of the French rail system), resulting the in offensive in France grinding to a halt near the German border at the beginning of September, 1944. This will be the origin of the Red Ball highway, transporting materials by truck from Normandy to the frontlines, that will barely keep the Allied armies supplied until Antwerp is finally opened for use in December 1944. This logistical issue may also have been the real reason for the launching of Operation Market Garden (a video by TIK covers this quite well), which was not aimed at the Ruhr, but rather liberating, protecting, and opening up the approaches to the vital ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam.

[@BrianSmith-nu3lg]

Excellent Job on the ending, Chilling music with a cut to credits. With subject matter like the introduction of mass killing with gas, Nothing else would be appropriate. Thank you as always for the sensitivity towards the crimes against humanity Side note: "Crappy Roads" is about as polite as you can be about the Soviet road network

[@rosiehawtrey]

Look up British Army, blankets, and Smallpox Or British Army, mustard gas, and Khyber Pass Or British Army, concentration camps, and boer women & children* *technically not deliberate policy - just the usual level of FUBAR - think the SA80 of logistical support (ditto Crimea). And that's just the edited highlights..

[@nordicfella8004]

@@rosiehawtrey Look up "whataboutism"

[@shawnr771]

Crappy roads are an awesome defensive posture. If you cant move your army neither can your enemy.

[@BrianSmith-nu3lg]

@@rosiehawtrey lookup “whataboutism”

[@viettrungnguyen1242]

A group of Soviets got captured by the Nazis. Stalin: Remember to get to work tomorrow morning, will ya?

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

if I was a soviet soldier,i would prefer to be killed,rather than face imprisonment by the Germans.

[@sergeantmajorgross4461]

Maximiliano Moreira Later in the war you probably could’ve easily volunteered for the Russian Liberation Army and then flee to Liechtenstein after the war.

[@road_king_dude]

Pretty much

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

@@sergeantmajorgross4461 how?if i could be sent back to the USSR later.🤔

[@sergeantmajorgross4461]

Maximiliano Moreira Liechtenstein heroically stood against the Soviet demands to repatriate all of the POA members they housed to certain death, I think they saved 100+ POA members along with their family’s.

[@ou8my58]

I would like to say that i really enjoy the technique of using real time to educate how world war 2 was fought and how much time that was invested in particular campaigns. excellent video, thank you and your team for your hard work making this video.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@pagodebregaeforro2803]

This is indeed a very good idea, and an excellent way of following the events they teach to us. Amazing job👏🏽👏🏽

[@amrabdelazeem9689]

104 episodes, 2 years, it's been quite the journey, and we still have 4 more years to go, chapeau to the entire team.

[@Alte.Kameraden]

This is one part of the war that kinda breaks my heart. Soviet POWs definitely had it the worst. The Germans didn't care about them at all. While the Soviet Government literally turned their backs on their own soldiers. I remember reading about Soviet POWs that survived German imprisonment during the war only to be sent back to prison after Liberation by their own army for "Treason." You can only imagine how that must feel, it would be like taking your heart and crushing it morale wise.

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

And people wonder why we harbor so many former Soviet citizens in the US that HATE communism/marxist-leninism with an utter passion...

[@dpeasehead]

@@tyvernoverlord5363 I'm not surprised. But far too many in the west who are appalled by the communist gulags suddenly have no problem with mass murder when it is done by the likes of non communists like King Leopold, a person who until just weeks ago had monuments which celebrated and excused his atrocities.

[@TheCol111]

@@dpeasehead "But far too many in the west who are appalled by the communist gulags suddenly have no problem with mass murder when it is done by the likes of non communists like King Leopold" Could you name a single person who was out there saying King Leopold unironically did nothing wrong?

[@s.a.g5417]

@@TheCol111 I guess what he means by that is that most people aren't aware of the crimes and genocides committed by the belgians or british

[@CavalierHorseman91]

@@dpeasehead Far too many in the West who are appalled with non-communist mass murderers tellingly dont sound a peep when statues that are dedicated to their Commie counterparts get left alone or when the memorial dedicated to the victims of Communism in D.C gets vandalized.

[@NiceGriffin]

Soviet Union: We need to replace our army every 4-8 months during war. Germany: You guys are getting reinforcements?

[@indianajones4321]

Stalin: losing a battle is now illegal

[@hansheden]

"If you don't do the impossible, you will be punished." - J. Stalin

[@xwormwood]

I love how you did the end of this weeks episode. Well done everyone!

[@erikperik1671]

Notice the Millenium Falcon on the top of the shelf!

[@dragosstanciu9866]

Meanwhile, the Soviets and Romanians are doing some heavy fighting in Odessa.

[@niccolopasqualetti2698]

@@mariusjurca2980 Hopefully the will mention the siege of Odessa eventually. Maybe they will also mention the massacre of Jews carried out by the Romanians in Odessa after they captured it. "bravery and sacrifice of that generation of Romanians and they are our true heroes" Are you sure about that?

[@mariusjurca2980]

@@niccolopasqualetti2698 Yes I'm sure about that. The neo-marxist ideology called "political correctness" is not yet very powerfull in my country, so a significant part of the population still honours the soldiers who fought in ww1 and ww2 with the kings, the marshals and the generals, especially the generals murdered by the Soviets, or those humiliated and tortured in communist prisons in the 50's.

[@niccolopasqualetti2698]

@@mariusjurca2980 "neo-marxist ideology called political correctness" wow so many big words. Are you guys honoring also the Romanian Jews that the other Romanians happily killed during that time? Do not worry, I already know the answer. Your government just like many others in eastern Europe made an herculean effort to sweep under the rug their involvement in the Holocaust.

[@burlacuninel5981]

@@niccolopasqualetti2698 they always make sure to find the time to say romanians killed Jew which is true,see war against humanity. They literally do not fail to say this for every incident that happened. But they do not find the time to present fights where romanians were present.

[@dams6829]

This ending might be the one that is on par with the Auschwitz one.

[@rosiehawtrey]

Missed a couple of important facts as usual. 1. They were selling Zyklon B (the active - Hydrogen cyanide) under a different name at least until 15 years ago because my dad's company used to sell the stuff to use on fruit trees.* 2. The lovable chap who first formulated it for agricultural use (and very nearly killed himself doing it) was a gent by the name of Fritz Haber - I think BASF or Bayer§ still hold the (new) labels for it. A German Jew who had to fast ass it out of Germany just before II broke out. *never even think about opening this stuff in a confined space without the proper gear - if can can smell it - you're probably already dead. I think from memory you could get in a hydrous & anhydrous formulation - the first was crystalline & the other a powder. §Never mention that you are working with the Israelis - senior Bayer employees tend to see that as their Berserk Button - the hatred was that strong less than 15 years ago, that the police got involved.

[@dimitarilkov3188]

can you link it? i think this ending is on par with the ending of ww1

[@pnutz_2]

@@dimitarilkov3188 check videos starting from about 004 onwards. it was a really, really early episode

[@dimitarilkov3188]

@@pnutz_2 011 is it

[@ralfonso888]

This is the perfect episode to show to people who claim that Germany would've won against the Soviets if it hadn't been for the harsh Winter conditions. This oversimplification bothers me as much as people mocking the Maginot Line... I mean, sure, Winter is an important factor too, but all the mess in logistics, production, supplies, orders and manpower shows that there was no chance to win this campaign from its very beginning.

[@user-qi3sn5vi6t]

Actually, there was a chance for Germans to win, but Soviet resistance was unexpected high and the Germans began to invent plans which were not foreseen with “Barbarossa” after a month of fighting

[@dpeasehead]

@@user-qi3sn5vi6t War plans tied to a deep belief in the "rotten door theory" of the Soviet system and in the inferiority of Slavic people were fundamentally unsound. It would have taken a series of miracles for the Germans to achieve an outright victory. At best, maybe they could have forced a draw and gotten a settlement of some kind. And then, with or without Stalin and his system, the Russians would have settled in to licking their wounds and preparing for a rematch.

[@sergeantmajorgross4461]

The only chance they had for victory is if they didn’t hate Slavs, if that wasn’t a factor then much of the Soviet army would probably defect and there would be many more willing collaborators.

[@mrunseen3797]

Poles and Czechoslovaks fought in North Africa 😯 how come we never hear of this? 12:18

[@ypabloworld]

Check Polish Independent Carpathian Rifle Brigade

[@maciejhammer2681]

Wait until you hear of the bear among these Polish soldiers ;) (google Wojtek the soldier bear)

[@robertsiwek7503]

Friend. Poles fought on every front of this war at first line :) ! And always with great results! In fact, they took Berlin and put flag over reichstag first, and soviet officers were very angry about that.

[@trnaj2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_11th_Infantry_Battalion Later battalion became part of 1st Czechoslovak Armoured Brigade en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Czechoslovak_Armoured_Brigade

[@edlawn5481]

@@ypabloworld The 303rd RAF Kosciuszko Squadron

[@spacemandan5906]

Fantastic delivery - well done

[@DrBreezeAir]

Anyone interested in the invasion of the USSR should watch "Come and See".

[@richardglady3009]

“Gulag:A History” by Anne Applebaum is an excellent book describing the conditions of the “traitors” and their families as they are sent to gulags. Great video. Thank you.

[@12345fowler]

Waow, the last part was edited beautifully, when the narrator reveal about the Zyklon B. Very dramatic effect, spot on and quite frightening. Well done.

[@espiao7343]

Excellent use of silence at the end of the episode. Sometimes silence is the best way to convey the correct emotion.

[@rosiehawtrey]

I thought he'd sat on a haemorrhoid. Bioweapon and chemical weapons have been kicking around since the Mongols were in short pants. Nothing new or particularly horrifying in the scheme of things. 6 million is pretty small beans in the history of biochemical warfare sadly. In fact if the Mongols hadn't weaponised plague victims there a good chance black death* wouldn't have happened - everything in proportion *see TGH and flashpoint history on blue/black death.

[@espiao7343]

@@rosiehawtrey It's easy to play with numbers but I urge everyone to remember that these numbers are human lives, the systematic killing of immeasurable human lives.

[@felicien93]

I really love learning about history but this kind of makes me angry and sad. So many deaths, and for what? Failed ideologies and personnal whims of gloriless kings. Thanks for the episode guys!

[@benismann]

At least for ideologies, not for the king :)

[@alfredredl326]

They are not gloryless Hitler and Stalin will be talked about long after we are dead. The eastern front and everything that came with it will endure in our imagination. It wasn't for nothing.

[@felicien93]

There is a difference between glory and being known, don't you think?

[@alfredredl326]

@@felicien93 Sure, but in the popular consciousness victory is glory and Hitler and Stalin had a lot of spectacular ones.

[@felicien93]

Indeed. Gloriless might be too harsch of a term, but I don't think they would have wanted to be remembered as they will be

[@ultramanJR]

14:01 oh god here now comes one of the ugliest atrocities of the war. I said one, because there's other horrifying things that also takes place in WW2 as well.

[@andmos1001]

It does not get any better.

[@shawnr771]

Far too many horrifying things on all sides.

[@FirstLast-di5sr]

I love the attention to detail you guys have. Even the shadow cast by the model plane onto the map the set is brilliant ❤❤❤

[@josephthompson7840]

This is an awesome birthday present Thank you Indy and team

[@Turgon_]

German Command: "Moscow?" Hitler: "No"

[@sophiam2095]

And that's a good call. Except for the Finns, Hitler's only military mistake was not going for the Donbass from the beginning. Moscow is a communication hub. Wars are won by logistics. Let them keep the hub and deny them the ability to move by rail (the Donbass coal) or by truck (the Caucuses). If it were anyone but Hitler I'd call it the biggest tragedy of the 20th century that he ever went after Moscow in 1941. But.....it's Hitler.

[@Turgon_]

@@sophiam2095 Well considering the people who are commanding his forces want to siege down Moscow its not his fault entirely.

[@sophiam2095]

@@Turgon_ OH I et but he needed to tell them the truth: we cannot and need no gamble on one campaign season. We take the Donbass, then they don't have the coal to properly reinforce their gain and we can backhand them like a 55 year old harlot. Which is very much how Hitler might have actually put it. But I've seen enough TIK videoes to understand how insubordinate and glory hound those underlings can be.

[@matthewg.305]

On a less historical note and more military note, its interesting to see the importance of replacement training and reserve deployment systems.

[@shawnr771]

Yes. Many years ago I learned of an assessment by the US military about forces stationed in Korea. It stated that should an all out war occur. The US Army expected 98 percent casualties, and equipment loss within three days, of all units on the Korean penisula. I do not how accurate this assessment was or is now.

[@adamwilliamson3234]

Amazing episode. They keep getting better

[@branevuyich7424]

Very well put together Indy and team.

[@Sigurd_13]

I look forward for every weekly episode of this series. Today that "like" button feels so alien at the end of the video. This makes me re-think the Value of "easy" news at end of some regular news. Great episode as always!

[@LetsTakeWalk]

To think we need to wait over year to the Battle of Stalingrad. This really will be a drag.

[@KiKiweaky]

The end of that episode is very chilling.... great work as always :)

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks!

[@SuperBadwilly]

Nice to see you again Indy 👍

[@jpgoss9986]

that story of Himmler is very ironic wouldn't you say

[@sophiam2095]

Oh it's not ironic, it's deliciously hypocritical. That experience for all the evil Himmler had done to that point was a come to Jesus moment. Probably literally. It's like Heaven gave him one last shot at saving himself and he threw it away Years ago I read People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck, and this is a story that could have gone in with his patient files

[@Wynesons]

Indy's ties are so phenomenal, and deserve it's own fashion trend.

[@peterbertanzetti2729]

Great channel and love the unique format - keep up the great work

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@Aenntw]

I don't know how, why it took me so long to find this channel; the contents are just excellent.

[@romaniacountryball]

Stalin:losing is banned

[@benismann]

Losing is gay

[@sadslavboy]

The end enraged me. Himmler was a coward, the Nazis were all cowards. Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, all killed themselves instead of defend their actions. Even Saddam tried to defend himself in court and did not try and escape his punishment.

[@conveyor2]

Cheating the hangman (of the victor) has nothing to do with bravery or lack of it.

[@edwardcook2973]

They all committed suicide because they knew deep down that there was no defense they could give that would excuse their actions. They chose to take their own lives rather than face what they knew would be a forgone conclusion: execution by their enemies.

[@rorymcclernon4674]

This series is amazing. thanks muchly

[@richstex4736]

Excellent presentation. I love videos that enlighten me.

[@russiauncensored7788]

This was uploaded 2 hours ago and has 27,000+ view. Indy is becoming almost mainstream now hahahaha. So glad for him! Very good dude

[@ArtrexisLives]

From June 22 to now, we've finally reached World War 1 numbers of week-to-week casualty numbers. Not exactly cause for celebration.

[@weltvonalex]

Great Episode and and outstanding job, I liked the fade out after Indy said Zyklon B. Big greetings from Athens, you guys make my vacation even better

[@oldesertguy9616]

Awesome. You have the knack for making something that is already dramatic much more so.

[@yorick6035]

10:29, they have clones now? Well, that would explain the absurdly large numbers of soldiers the Soviets keep producing. So that would mean that Dolly wasn't the first, but it was thousands and thousands of Ivans. Learn something new everyday!

[@Valdagast]

So this is where the Clone Saga truly began.

[@howardbrandon11]

Begun, the Clone War has.

[@Loreless]

HOI 4 reference

[@benismann]

"Absurdly large" ... Russia is STILL 1st in population in Europe. And at 1941 it was even bigger

[@konstantinriumin2657]

Two millions are ready with 10 more well under way...

[@OldieBugger]

I had the impression that Finnish troops never attempted to capture Leningrad. I can be mistaken, but that's what I learned.

[@Loreless]

they couldn't break through defence that based on the Soviets Navy artillery

[@romaliop]

@@Loreless They didn't even try and never meant to either. All they did on the Karelian isthmus was to take back the territory they lost in the winter war and set up defensive positions.

[@DiggingForFacts]

The Finns pulled a "malicious compliance" card on the Germans. They only agreed to help the encirclement and only their sector. They never fucked enough with Lake Ladoga for convoys to entirely stop reaching Leningrad. Technically they were also only ever a co-belligerent and not an actual ally, despite the amount of military aid the Germans sent over.

[@colonelmomo666]

No joke, that last minute of the video was a freaking roller-coaster of emotions

[@nikpist1030]

the ending of this video gave me goosebumps...well done Indy!

[@nygarmik]

That ending by Indy gave me the shivers.

[@swedishstyle9778]

On the 13 of August 2020 the last Swedish volunteer of the Winter War Bengt Essen passed away. May you rest in peace! "Finlands sak är vår"!

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

ah,interesting to know it

[@williamtomkiel8215]

the frame hold and silence at the end- ask not for whom the bell tolls . . . and the absence of the usual sign-off "See you next time" masterful presentation a reverent moment for far too many of those for whom there would be no next time . . .

[@darthcheney7447]

As always, great job.

[@cobbler9113]

I think most of us worked for someone who is happy to give us orders but not tell us how to actually achieve the goal in question... Great episode as always. The events of 1939-40 seem like such a long time ago compared to what is going on now and relatively innocent by comparison.

[@guillermolandeovillanueva5434]

Hello, I'm a Peruvian fan since the Great War show, keep on the great work. Now that you mention Zyklon B, Ir would be amazing if you could do an special of Victor Capesius the Auschwitz's pharmacist and the role of Bayer and IG Farber in the slave camps there. I'm a pharmacist myself, so that story was both interesting and shocking for me. Particularly because in the post-war many Farber executives elude justice. I recommend the book 'The Pharmacist of Auschwitz: The Untold Story' from Patricia Posner (2017)

[@rosiehawtrey]

Look up Fritz "oops that could have gone better" Haber (Nobel) and IG FARBEN - becomes BASF and BAYER after the war when it's split up. PS never mention Israel to a BASF or Bayer executive - its their berserk button - as a relative of mine found out when they had to call the police and said (Bayer I think) executive ended up being banned from the premises of said company by restraining order - the tirade of abuse was that bad. Its that ingrained in some of them even now.

[@zivbenmoshe1585]

Maaaan, I jus love the "Ghost Army" patch in the background of Indy's studio.

[@danfinger]

The shadow of the plane on the map in the background looks rad! Almost follows the current battle lines!

[@MrDauntess]

Dear Indy and Team, I have a question about the invasion of the USSR. Since its launch, has there been any progress near Murmansk? In the first week, I believe that you mentioned two German units advancing towards it. I'd be very interested to hear if anything at all has happened. Thank you in advance.

[@johnbrown9542]

Ponedelin would later be liberated by the Americans in 1945 but they handed him over to the Soviets who kept him in prison until they shot him in 1950. Khrushchev rehabilitated him in 1956 as part of his De-Stalinization of efforts.

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Bit late for him hey?

[@ThroatSore]

A good ending without advertisement etc. Very important work and, just as a random watcher, I am grateful for this.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Glad to hear you're enjoying the videos!

[@theoneduckson2312]

I'm glad Indy got a clear explanation from our friend on the phone. It was obviously a very important since he was eager to give the information

[@oisnowy5368]

"The army needs to be replaced every 4 to 8 months..." what a way to not directly spell out how expendable their men are.

[@robertsiwek7503]

100% truth :)! Stalin said once " U nas ljudi mnogo" ( we have many people). This was soviet approach towards value of soviets soldiers life.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

In fact even American infantry divisions consisted of virtually new personnel at the end of a few months of hard fighting. The divisions that landed on D-Day were effectively completely new divisions by the end of the war, as a result of casualties and the stream of replacements for them (the US system of replacements was controversial but that is probably a topic for another KZbin).

[@robertsiwek7503]

@@stevekaczynski3793 Steve, you know you have polish surname?

[@GerLeahy]

It was total war, It's how total war works.

[@marzbanofmerv2324]

Great episode, will you be covering the Anglo-soviet invasion of Iran next week?

[@merdiolu]

Yeah , an unknown aspect of war. Eager for it.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Yes we will!

[@Aimal126]

It's Conrad aaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@vedranv6579]

Keep up the great work!

[@rlemos5511]

The best channel of WW2 no doubt about it...

[@suvaraih2266]

6:25 - Voiceless alveolo-palatal affricate strikes again, now in Chudovo! In general, when Russian toponyms or names are transliterated into English, "ch" is used to represent “Voiceless alveolo-palatal affricate”(closest English equivalent is “Voiceless postalveolar affricate” like in “chip”) Russian does have "Voiceless velar fricative"(like in Scottish "loch" and somewhat similar to "Voiceless glottal fricative" like in "high") that seems to have been used here. But in transliteration, this consonant would be represented by "kh"(like the city of Kharkiv/Kharkov) or sometimes just "h". Also, in the same context, "u" represents "Close back rounded vowel", like in "boot". So, Chudovo is pronounced something like Chew-dove-oh. While googling all those amazing words, I found that some scholar and old romanization standards suggest transliteration that would lead to pronouncing ch as kh, but those standards actually use additional letters that are not part of standard Latin alphabet and don't seem to be widely used. I would like to thank Indy for providing me this weekly opportunity to tell someone they are wrong on the internet.

[@jerrysinclair3771]

And the Germans call this poison gas Cyclon-B (freeze frame). Very sobering end to this week's report. powerful!

[@6412mars]

I agree...Zyklon B

[@IanKath]

Well done on the final scene.

[@jean-huguesaubry6778]

Well done. The Karl Wolff quote was in the Genocide episode of the great series World at War. Keep up the good work !!

[@EvilPolack]

That ending. So it begins...

[@nirfz]

YT's advertizing algorythm is absolutely tasteless! Right at the end when Indy stared at the camera there was i got an ad interruption that started with "Smile...." As for the mention of the horrible use of poison gas: i am sure Spartacus will cover it in the WAH video, but i read somewhere that for some reason they more often used exhaust gases of engines instead.

[@rosiehawtrey]

CO was used for small scale experiments and for the T4 program.. In at least one case because a pissed Nazi fell asleep in the car in a garage with his engine running and nearly gassed himself. Old engines like that run at 4-4.5% CO2 so will kill you much quicker than modern engines (although Audi TFSI party trick is causing lung cancer with microparticulates). CO poisoning efficient except for the transport of pressurised gas so it was less used due to the hassle and logistics (cans of Zyklon vs bloody huge gas canisters (or precious fuel)).

[@nirfz]

@@rosiehawtrey Thanks for the answer! What i meant was that i read that they actually mounted tubing to engines exhausts and used them directly. So without the storage and logistic step inbetween. As for the mentioned TFSI: any modern direct injection engine produces those particles that's why they all need particle filters now. (at least here in europe)

[@shawnr771]

@@nirfz Yes but also used much needed fuel. Shooting them was using too many bullets.

[@nirfz]

@@shawnr771 It's quite a macabre discussion and calculation, but if you think about needing to power (actual power and workers) a factory to make poison gas, the facilities to make containers to put it in, and the line to actually fill the "bottles" or whatever shape it may have. And then you need fuel to transport it to the facilities that use it. You either needed coal for trains (and trains) or liuid fuel for trucks. If you replace all that by just take the exhaust of any motorvehicle present in the facility... I don't want to use the word "efficient" as the topic and it's background is too sad and sensitive. But technically i think it is possible that this could have been a calculated thought.

[@shawnr771]

@@nirfz Knowing governments do all sorts of odd research. I am sure it was. I worked for a company many years ago that made synthetic acrylic stucco finishes and related materials. There were only two of us working there part time. We could combine several hundred gallons of various materials and make several batches a day. We were limited by the size of the mixing vat. This was a very small scale operation that required a certain level of precision to maintain consistency. The formulas had been worked out by chemists at another facility. Bayer was the parent company for the manufacture of Zyklon B. They still make pesticides, and herbicides. They are one of the largest companies in the world. They know how to efficently mass produce chemicals.

[@the1ghost764]

I like the ending. The cameras 📷 pauses and the Piano 🎹 music starts playing. Dramatic.

[@chancephillips7975]

Indy's freeze framed facial expression at the end... chills!

[@damir1762]

With obvious nonsense that Stalin's order had, if those soldiers knew what waits for them in german POW camps, many of them would probably not surrender anyway. So, in the end, this order maybe wasn't so cruel and nonsense ...

[@sydneynedry6920]

Mum: Don't worry, the Kuban Cauc doesn't exist, it can't hurt you. The Kuban Cauc: 4:33

[@darthcalanil5333]

you made my day XDXD I don't know how did I missed it :D

[@patrickallen8787]

Definitely one of the best episodes, right here!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you!

[@Dollt28]

Good episode