1050 VS 724 cold start 🥶🤷‍♂️

** So let's try a cold start between the Fendt 1050 and the Fendt 724..
The difference is the Fendt 724 was just running the day before and has its batteries charged up, while the 1050 has been deep froze and has not ran in a couple months.
Temps are similar as well as the over night temps are both around the - 24C warming up durning the day. Now Mike likes his tractors but does see room for improvement 🙂
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[@kaedenbueckert1831]

Mike: I don't like cold starting my equipment Also Mike: we should do a cold start competition

[@andrewshaw1678]

Looking forward to seeing Bert cold start, I feel like it will dominate.

[@goodiezgrigis]

Bert needs some drugs to get going, but he does go no matter what.

[@tony-the-tigerjohns3294]

I would love to have an 1105 or 1135 for my tree-farming operation. They are awesome tractors.

[@rustyshank912]

Never seen a Perkins 354t starting at below freezing without starting fluid. My Fox 6244 needs it at 50f.

[@jdeere8850]

@@rustyshank912 me either 🚑

[@markwade1789]

Mike I like the way you go into the back story of what you are videoing, like the oils and the warranty on the tractors. Thank you for your time making us great videos.

[@mikemitchell2554]

Thanks 🙂

[@Downsviews1056]

Hi folks , Hi Mike thanks for a great video looks mighty cold 🥶 you have fantastic setup out there fair play to how you get anything done even when the weather's nice . Love seeing big arable farming ⛄🌡🚜🚜

[@wallyyuriy8912]

I run 0-40 in winter for my semi. Agree that the oil pressure is low when it gets to operating temps. But I’ll sacrifice a bit of pressure to make sure it starts. Just my opinion. Good video. Keep ‘em coming

[@jsmvb]

One reason for the bad starting of the 724 could be that a Deutz motor is built in. Back 30-50 years ago, Deutz/Deutz-Fahr built the best diesel engines in Germany, maybe in the whole world! All were air-cooled and also started at even the lowest temperatures. But when Deutz startet building water-cooled engines, these became worse and worse. Another reason could be, that the Fendt 700-series is the most sold tractor line in Germany, and is mainly for farmers of the European market. The 1000-series, especially the 1050, is not often sold in Germany because of being to big for most farms here. So it could be focused for the American/international market where the temperatures are lower than they are in Europe, so they engineered a motor with a stronger starter. Or MAN just builds better engines, who knows....

[@hubihubertus1966]

Deutz has never built the best agricultural tractor engines in the world. Because MAN has always done it. 30 years ago, Deutz was good and even very good, but MAN has always been better. Back in the years when Fendt was using MWM engines, the MAN engines used in the largest Fendts were from another world. Unfortunately, Deutz is making worse and worse engines, and I am surprised that Fendt does not use much better AGCO engines today. As for the larger starters on large tractors, this is a wrong theory. The starter is always just right, especially as winter is not a natural working time for these large machines. Where as small as 724 can be used for snow removal or auxiliary work on the farm in winter. The big ones usually do nothing in winter because they are too big.

[@goodiezgrigis]

10 series is sold alot in Europe also, no worries there. Deutz is like you said, great long time ago, engines up until DEF was mandatory where still ok, afterwards.... 🙄 -20 to -40 are common here in central Europe also, but it does not last as long as in Canada. Usually week or two per year, otherwise not much below -10.

[@alexandersjostrom5933]

Hi! Might be someting to that. What do you think about the thickness of the cable to the starter? My theory is that they are to thin on the 724?

[@kaiheetjans9956]

Could you blame the Engine, if the battery is too small, or the Starting system is poorly designed?

[@alexandersjostrom5933]

@@kaiheetjans9956 probably not, but they also probably should spec. What kind of demands the engine have so it's not that easy to know ho to blame 😅

[@crandonborth]

Yes Mike 0-40 does come in full synthetic it’s quite expensive $250 for 5 Gallons at our CNH dealer. But we ran regular 15w-40 in our case skid steer and it did not pump the oil and it spun a rod bearing. Warranty said sorry you didn’t run CNH oil, It had like 500 hours on it. Definitely worth the extra money.

[@mcd5082]

Stay warm mike! Thanks for the video

[@spideybrent]

Hello from Moosomin, Saskatchewan, Canada. Thanks for sharing your great video’s please keep them comin

[@bartpowers9972]

Informative video most excellently done 👍😎

[@cwvereyken]

Hi Mike I grew up on a family dairy farm here in eastern Ontario and had mostly JD. Tractors and witnessed difference in cold starting woes between models. To the point I work for a local feed company trucking feed to farm and commodities to the local port and elevator s and have to start and witness cold starts by Mary different makes and models to run augers to load the truck. Best starter I have seen was a TS6 130 New Holland. Started right up at -37 one morning before windchill not plugged in. Not run for a week since the last load out of bin. I fought for two hours getting the truck to go plugged in block and oillpan heater on it. Was truly amazed at how that tractor started.

[@SCH1046]

Great video. Our Fendt 1046 and 926 (with the MAN engines) start fantastic as long as the batteries are good. My Gen 4 Fendts (930's-927-924) are hard starters as well. Keep up the good work.

[@nibizsw3]

Thats intresting the two Fendt 936s I have driven one a 08 and The other a 10 and that didnt start very easy at - 20c but was far from as bad as the 724 😅

[@arlenstrauch]

Thanks for the video.

[@mikemitchell2554]

Thanks for taking interest in the videos 🙂

[@totsdaniel8695]

Another awesome video Mike. Cool to meet you yesterday in Southey.

[@Onhereforfun85nodrama]

I want you to know we are from Iowa in the USA and my three year old son and I love watching your videos

[@mikemitchell2554]

Haha that's awesome! Thankyou 🙂

[@brianshouse5782]

Can’t wait for the COLD START COMPETITION! Yesssss👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😀😀😀😀

[@crandonborth]

Classic Mike Mitchell Video: Ends it like 3 or 4 Times. That’s definitely worth the wait alone.

[@rustyshank912]

I find it funny that my old Deutz d100 06 starts to about -17c with just the key. Though that is an everyday feed mixer tractor that is stored in a unheated building. If it gets -25 to-40c just plug in the heating element in the fan shroud for an hour and then just turn the key again. The heating element has never failed to start the tractor.

[@SwitchRod]

Great radio station choice!

[@m-videos3643]

Hey Mike: I 'd love to see that cold start competition, but before rating anything, make sure to get yourself a clam-on ammeter and go ahead and measure the amps. the tractors batteries would deliver while starting the engines. I feel like the 724 has a weak starting system, with either to small cables or batteries etc. 😥😥. The starter in the 724 is rated at 4kW, it might just not get enough power through those cables. Maybe your dealership can also help you out. 😉Thanks for your great videos! 👌👌👍much appreciate it.

[@chrisundertow8464]

i put a magnetic oil pan heater on my 716, not that it wouldnt start before as its always plugged in and shedded but it sure likes warm oil at -30

[@mrmulken356]

Gr8 vid Mike, just replaced the battery on my IH higher amp did the trick 🙂

[@John-nc4bl]

Mike, Thanks for your great videos and yes, I follow everry one. Back to the combines. I'd love to see you with 60 foot Honeybees and you would be the first farmer on the North American continent with one 60 footer or several of them. Please dont go with little 45 footers. Think big and be more productive. All the best to you and your family for 2022 and many more great years ahead.

[@wilfgiesbrecht6594]

Like your choice of music (the message)

[@Bill-NBfarming]

The old pony/starting engine technology was the best! On our place the only tractor (John deeres, caterpillar and one Deutz engine) that will start without being plugged in, starting fluid etc. is the 1952 D4 caterpillar. At below zero °F The pony motor fires right off. Engage the big engine pinion and go drink a cup of coffee. About 20 minutes later give the main engine fuel and it lights off. John Deere used starting engines on the last 2 cylinder diesels.

[@allannantes8583]

It worked well on the Farmall MD as well. Start on gas then switch to diesel.

[@umeltheone]

Man. I love the 1050 🥰

[@guzzimon61]

Yeah but what about the tire pressures at that temp?.🤣🤣🤣

[@zackariahgill1263]

You know your days are starting to blend together when you start checking your timeline in "videos ago" haha hang in there Mike!

[@ExcitingTaste]

I have a Deutz Agrotron with a 7.1 lite engine, i'ts the best cold starter on the farm. Funny how different it can be

[@martinmills8458]

Mike, regarding the oil pressure topic. One thing I have learned from building engines is oil VOLUME is much more important than oil pressure. You may have pressure but that doesn't mean everything is getting oil. Example, when it's minus 20 pull a valve cover start the engine watch the oil pressure and see how long it takes to get oil to the top. Just a guess but I'd say a few minutes of idling.

[@mikeznel6048]

Pressure is usually a good indicator. Low oil pressure is, obviously, lack of flow meaning it isn't moving enough oil and without the pressure, it can not be pushed *UP* to where it needs to go. Especially on a large diesel where there is some distance between pump and component requiring oil.

[@lesliesapp1364]

@@mikeznel6048Pressure is the inverse of flow. Think about a water pump, open discharge is lots of flow no pressure. Put the nozzle on and you have restriction and you get pressure. Many modern vehicles are using a 0-20 or even 0-15. Manufacturing tolerances are so tight now running thick oil in cold temps kills your engine.

[@FarmTucker1]

The cold start comption would be so cool

[@bochristensen1969]

Ty Mike for a nice video

[@kopenhagenkid]

Great video Mike

[@max-jc4wq]

how warm was it over in south Saskatchewan today. Was 11 on the plus side in south east Alberta today

[@frank.s74]

On The Deere 7250R, it depends on the MY which engine is in it, the '15 has the 9l ,later MY's have the 6.8l. The 9l starts good as long the battery's are in top shape. I know some smaller Mannheim made ones that start really bad in cold conditions tho.Sometimes Battery and Starter Power is a bit too tight.Greetings from Germany.

[@bones123321ify]

I have a 7250 deutz 2019 with a 6.1 liter deutz engine, used to plow snow, never a starting problem and never plugged in

[@stepark3437]

The end of 30 weight oil was the best thing that could have happened to starting in winter. 15w40 has made a big diff. I like a preheat in the intake over a gloplug. But lots of cranking amp makes a big diff.

[@k.koster1008]

Mike, maybe I have good news for the 1050 airfilter problem: Fendt is coming up with an automated airfilter cleaning system, while the tractor is working! The system would recognize when pollution is to much and than react with two heavy airpressure pulses, from the inside out. And at the same time a vacuüm to transport the dust out of the filterhousing. Hopefully it is designed to bild on older models as well. Although another design of air intake sounds better en more reliable to me. 🤷‍♂

[@johnirons9223]

I noticed though that the 1050 had a carpet and the 724 hadn't. I think you may find that could be the reason why the 1050 starts better!! 🤣

[@egbertjanemmens5432]

The carpet keeps them nice and warm

[@rempellegacyranch4965]

I wonder if the 724 has a direct drive starter and if a gear reduction one can be installed. Obviously not something you should be having to do on a new tractor though.

[@PeterParker-yo9oo]

Hi , Mike , get a Valtra with the Sisu engine, will start at-24°C without a problem

[@379insk]

I use 5/40 full syn oil in my C15 cat engined semi and my 8100 Jd all year round with no problem starting in winter at all when plugged in. JD probably will get a sniff of Canned Cosby if extremely cold too.

[@paulbouwman229]

We have a jd 7530 with the 6.8L, it starts at -20 without being plugged in or glow plugs.

[@rustyshank912]

I would like to know the battery and starter setups on all tractors. That 724 does not spin the engine fast enough to generate heat to cause the fuel to burn.

[@d6joe]

Soooo. Get on the phone and start making warrantee claims for no-start when it’s cold. Do it every morning for a couple of weeks. Demand the dealer come out every morning at 20 below with the service truck and start the tractor in the cold! Have them put in new batteries, etc... etc.... That paper trail will get more attention from Agco company with the cold no-start problem.

[@ke6gwf]

They will point to the line in the manual that says that it should be stored above freezing, and say that if you are letting it sit in -40 degree weather you have just voided the warranty... ;)

[@kurtzbradley]

When you took delivery of that I couldn’t believe it

[@mikehill9888]

The engine spec's will determine if it will start. Just keep the Faith.

[@nickthompson3881]

Sounds like mike should put a loader on the 1050 for winter work

[@alexandersjostrom5933]

@Mike Mitchell wonder if the 724 has a bit to weak cables to the starter? It kind of sounds like you have pretty good cranking speed for about a second. And then it drops, even when you have the charger on. It would be interesting to put a thick jumpstart cable from the positive on the battery to the positive on the starter solenoid. And se if it makes a difference.

[@jackbannock3458]

Our 2 new MF tractors came with batteries with terribly low cold cranking amps, had to put bigger batteries in them, and bigger positive cables, now we just have them plugged in and they started -35 all the time. I changed both the first winter and agco didn’t think that was the problem. But now my dealer believes me, and started at least putting bigger batteries in.

[@alexandersjostrom5933]

@@jackbannock3458 isn't it just funny that they never believe you until you prove them wrong..😂👍 guess it's fair to think that every dealer have to look after them selves but. At least offer to cover the expenses if it works. They didn't need to put any laber on it and it would have made you a happy customer. Or the might have done that to you and then I have been mumbling for no reason again. 😅

[@greenbloodscott]

Go to Jamaica for the winter and return in March ! They should all start fine then . lol

[@adrianbeckey9684]

Great video Mike could you leave the text banners up a bit longer I always struggle to read it in time before it’s taken away

[@Gupham]

Love it, brand new Fendt 1050.. leaves it parked outside not used for a month 🤣

[@SirHuddy]

That’s his old one… And besides sheds are expensive and he doesn’t have enough sheds for all of the equipment

[@mikeznel6048]

Well, its a farm tractor so...

[@max-jc4wq]

that 2 years old and I think he is still planning on getting ride of it.

[@allannantes8583]

@@max-jc4wq yes it’s for sale, he had to borrow back from the AGCO to get himself out of a dilemma when hauling the seeder back to the south farm from the north farm.

[@max-jc4wq]

@@allannantes8583 yep that's what I thought

[@davebullock3517]

I wonder if your 724 has a mystery power draw somewhere? You handle that pretty well, I’d be so frustrated, to say the least. I guess you were expecting the frustration. That 1050 started great! I saw a 724 on the cover of Marketbook, my first thought was your video. 😂 Years ago we had a JD 4650 and a JD 8560. The 4650, started so quickly it was amazing. The 8560, didn’t like if you walked by with a pail of ice cream in the middle of summer.

[@mikeznel6048]

No its just the batteries themselves. They all have a draw even when the battery switch is off. The cut out, which is electrically operated, needs power to work. Mike has also said in the past all of the 7 series Fendts he's owned where hard starters.

[@celticrider06]

Hey Mike, as you already know, no diesel will start rolling that slow. If this hasn’t been done, a load test should be done on the batteries when cold to see exactly how they are preforming in the same conditions you are starting in. If batteries are indeed good, then starter draw needs to be done. With the money you are paying for warranty, I would be getting the dealer down and get them to start it, then fix it properly. With synthetic oils, good batteries and starter it should start at -13 not plugged in.

[@chadtosh6831]

We have a john Deere loader tractor, it does not like starting below -5 celcius and it’s only 100 hp. Cold blooded as heck.

[@averysenior6571]

So I used to work at a deutz faur dealership befor I came back to the farm and I remember starting a m650 which had a deutz 6.1L and the big new deal was that the engin had common rail with electronic injection. So the tractor was sold and needed a pdi and needed to come in and it was -26 not plugged in and it started competently. So this was like 07 so I don't understand what they've done to this engin.

[@jameswollf7768]

Actually a big difference in different brands on the same weight oil (synthetic) as far as flowability in cold temputures.

[@sgt_yafnei7230]

I didnt know i canada u have km/h instead of mph. Great video and testing u do

[@ScottGinATL]

It's funny how clean the insides of the tractors were compared to the inside of your truck. :D

[@mikemitchell2554]

Oh, it's sooo dirty! 🤦🏻‍♂️😆

[@guzzimon61]

Noticed that too. I was like 😳

[@mikeznel6048]

If you lived where there is snow and ice and salt on tip of dirt and gravel roads, your interior would be dirty too. It's impossible to keep them clean consistently in the winter when your vehicle only gets used here and there. It's a farm/work/daily truck so it sees a lot of use.

[@guzzimon61]

@@mikeznel6048 been there, done that...

[@Visayasbusspotting]

Merry Christmas thier mike 😅😅

[@garrettheath9696]

Hi Mike

[@bodilpedersen8287]

my grandfather had fendt 718 vario fires up always like a dream with loader

[@alexandersjostrom5933]

Holy *%$#@ that 1050 is a impressive starter!😀

[@syzygy3239]

Seeing how def freezes at -11c I wonder if someone is going to invent Def antifreeze?

[@jdeere8850]

The MAN is a OTR Truck engine.🚛

[@albertkleynhans4766]

You should be able to use Agco parts high performance 5W-30 full synthetic oil. If not available one can use a 5w-30 full synthetic oil that complies with the Deutz DQC-IV LA specification. Almost always it complies also with the MAN M3277 spec which is for the 1000series and the MAN M3677 spec that is for the 900 Gen6/7 series with the MAN engine. This makes it a alround oil to use on al Fendt machines on the farm (Hate it when there is a oil for every engine on the farm). There is a few manufacturers that produce this spec oil. Shell, Petronas, Fuchs, Wolf oil. Will it sort out your starting issue, I sincerely hope so.

[@tylerm4025]

Holy 135000 km on your truck already you really do a lot of travelling. Lol. We have a 2018 gmc and they said it needed a fuel pump took it to the dealership they changed that. Got it back still did the same thing took it back again and was the fuel pump module.

[@mikemitchell2554]

That's only my truck, not Ashtyn's yet 😆

[@alexanderphillips1213]

Hey mike have you gotten to demo or are going to get to demo the new fendt sprayer? I know basically same as c series machines but with another color and the adjustable height option, which you no use for I suppose. I can’t wait to get chance to demo it hopefully. We going to see it next month at dealer but hopefully we can get it out this spring to run in the field.

[@peteschiavoni]

Engine oil is so important. What about looking at synthetic 10w30? Or a 5w40?

[@BRPFan]

Wow that MAN starting is amazing! Pretty poor for the 724 Fendt! Wow that Duramax is awesome! I agree hard to bet AGCO warranty, I know this first hand with being a Warranty Admin at our local ACGO dealer.

[@Daniel_kruger]

some engines does crank for a while with no fuel injected , to pre-heat the cylinders when its cold. its too low compression to make enough that dieselfumes ignite

[@allenmoore4186]

Mike good sir, you have actually made me a fan of any brand not named Fendt. They have cool equipment and technology however, I see nothing but issues you have with them. Great video keep up the great work. God bless.

[@mustangdbest220]

Love the 4K 50 quality I have it on full 4K 50 on my phone oh yeah

[@BeingMe23]

What does the owners manual say about Winter starting conditions?

[@moritz433]

How cold is it where the farm is?

[@goodiezgrigis]

1050 MAN is a road truck engine adapted to tractor. Big tell is the low revolution torque curve it advertises. New Deutz engines like in 724 don't like the cold. Same block in construction equipment jas same problems.

[@mikemitchell2554]

Yeah, I definitely like the MAN over the Deutz

[@calebrozeboom]

@@mikemitchell2554 reasonsby duetz cranks so hard is because it's is a very tight tolerance engine, look at the horsepower they squeeze out of that 6.1

[@calebrozeboom]

Cold oil + tight tolerance = incredibly hard cranking. I'm sure a pan heater would help greatly

[@allannantes8583]

@@calebrozeboom That’s what the engineer in video #1 was saying as well.

[@ryandavidson4415]

There is a standing order around this place. The 724 has to go inside every night during the winter.

[@krasserbunny]

Add Mannol 9930 to your fuel helps a lot. Fuel pump says thank you also.

[@RolandRibi]

I would like to see Ernie compared to this new tractors, maybe with a new battery… 😉

[@LukaArtelj]

I have Deutz D30s 1959. Fully restord

[@CatalinParvu22]

1050 👍🔝

[@99cross99]

Before start up the engine turn on parking lights for 15 seconds 😉 help the battery

[@johnmarley5598]

Any opinion on Case tractors? Anything else than quadtrac series

[@pietoosterhof5901]

Maby you have to use thinner oil, like 10W30 or something like that. The first figure I always forget.😉🤔

[@wssides]

That is not allowed by the warranty!

[@ahabeger]

I wonder if you talked to a Deutz engine mechanic / distributor they would know the right thing for it. I know our Deutz 6275 with an air cooled 4 cylinder was a horrible cold starter until we got a oil pan heater for it. Since it was air cooled block heaters weren't a thing. With the block heater in the 7 is the oil heated?

[@allannantes8583]

No not directly, maybe a tiny bit of heat will conduct to the oil pan but not enough to make any difference. Therefor the answer is no.

[@kevint.9837]

Did you have an old 7.3 Ford how did that do up there mine doesn’t like below 40f

[@josr]

thats the biggest diffrence between those engines.. but the deutz have a longer breath when pulling

[@dennislamers986]

Those wacky German love their "Preeemeeeum oils" Another good video Mike. Let's hope the companies are watching .

[@CMDRSweeper]

A cold start competition? Are you sure you got the time to do that for us Mike? That sounds rather insane for your busyness and crashed income from harvest :D But hey, I will watch and enjoy it regardless though.

[@neilmicke1622]

Comparing starting at -20 and -40 C, is like a heat wave vs really cold. That's -4 vs -40F. Back in the day 1980s-2000, all of my tractors, gas or diesel would groan and protest at -40F and probably more than half would refuse to start. At -4 F, the gas would start and the diesels would protest, but for the most part will start.

[@darrenlord5439]

I did"ent think it would go with out help nice

[@larryjones1774]

Mike, I would like to see someone test and see how long the f150 lightning battery pack will last and how far it will go in really cold weather. P.S miss the baby.

[@rexmunro4162]

Maybe it needs winter batteries like winter diesel something with higher cold cranking

[@conceptgaraz828]

The 724 has a deutz engine. in such frosts it will not fire. you would have to have a fluid or oil heater in the Colix block then it would fire. Greetings from Poland

[@markrskinner]

Mike, I have an answer. Terry *bought* it.

[@d6joe]

Did you have the dealer fix you webestos?

[@boys597]

droven fendt since 80s. they have alwayes had weeknes in the winter. but there is engine warmer. you should use that. it warms the transmision too.

[@Lukelins1]

I am running 0w-15 synthetic in my ram 1500

[@guzzimon61]

The 724 definitely has a starting issue. It only rolled over 1-1 1/2 times and it was done. Nope, more going on. Even when you had the charger and Webasto on for a full day. Something has failed.

[@zimmermanservice7474]

Yup, it's called deutz.

[@mikeznel6048]

He has said in the past that all the Fendt 7 series tractors he has owned were bad cold starters.

[@guzzimon61]

@@mikeznel6048 there is bad starters and there are none starters. The none starters would ALL be parked at the dealership. If it won't start and run it is worth as much a a cow turd in the wintertime- I do guess you could burn those for some heat..

[@BillStecik]

My neighbour has a 7250R and be warned that if you are going to do serious work with it prepare to have problems. PTO clutch fails , front planetaries falling out on the road and such.

[@screeperz9965]

Just a question out of the blue, since you have so many grain bins and fertilizer bins, how many grain augers do use on them, and, how fast do they wear out? I do know that using them on fertilizer wears them out faster. Just guesstimate.

[@applecreeksolarllc5064]

4/0 welding cable is what I would use