11.0.5 PVP Tier List (PREDICTIONS)

11.0.5 PVP Tier List (PREDICTIONS)
#thewarwithin
/ supatease

[@Cooler-k4e]

FINALLY. I HAVENT SEEN A NEW TIER LIST IN OVER 12 HOURS! I THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS WRONG

[@MediMeow]

xDDDD

[@Supatease]

Hey if people watched my freestyle rap arenas I'd make more instead.

[@Shred_Flintstone]

@@Supatease watch more freestyle rap arenas. heard chef.

[@jmsubs529]

@@Supatease we like them - dont worry

[@christianhill4794]

Man I love hearing you talk about WoW, thanks for being rad and making videos! I always look forward to your stuff

[@TheInfirous]

My wife knows you as the good morning good afternoon and good evening guy lol. I watch enough of your vids xD

[@ogChaaka]

Shelved the FDK for devoker last week. Actually having fun now.

[@stoopidyoutubehandle]

😂Have fun being outclassed by every single ranged pvp spec in game? Devoker can only pray they get melee opponents. This is coming from a fellow duelist Dev.

[@olsonbrandon91]

@@stoopidyoutubehandle press your disintegrate harder lol

[@olsonbrandon91]

WEAK giving up on your class for something OP

[@ogChaaka]

@@olsonbrandon91 correct. FDK is weak.

[@Zetherior]

Niche meta's worked in premade arena, when you could build a team specific to your niche. It doesn't work in shuffle, because the odds of you finding your niche comp is by its definition a rare occurrence.

[@landondavies4933]

With outlaw gaining a second charge of grapple I’m curious how that will interact with the fatebound hero talent that lets you use a second charge free in 3 seconds. Meaning potentially 4 charges of grapple. Could be the new mw of blitz.

[@jessesandburg]

Hell yeah

[@davidjackson5390]

The game isn't fun... can't climb, no rewards, people toxic, long queues, no reward for your time ,money, and efforts. It's hard to get excited, to be honest.

[@apierson244]

Then don't play? Only way blizzard will care at all is by unsubbing

[@jimmy8693]

Just enjoy the game, push at end of season

[@Endless10ppp]

Well not sure about that, because this season is the highest rating ive ever had since MoP… Yeah okay its just Rated blitz but it still ‘feels good’ to climb in solo blitz to me…. Im having alot of fun with it on Frost mage, MM and my HPal all spec at 2350-2450 atm :D

[@Abyyss33]

@@Endless10ppp perhaps hes not playing 3 of the top specs like you so he finds it harder to climb

[@Blodyqueef]

Hey, Susan, if you’re leaving the airport, you do NOT have to announce it; just leave.

[@rdham64]

I use to be able to get to 1800+ on multiple characters with no real effort as the MMR worked and I would win more than I lost, this was in solo which have not tried. I am 14 wins, 2 losses in BGB on my DK and I am 1540. I get 18 max to win. Why do I get paired with 0 rated players? If I lose, I probably lose a ton. I am not going to do 15- 20 (which I have to win) matches to get to 1800 in BGB.

[@hdim1]

Is Assa S-tier when you have so many specs that overpower it? Hpal kills your bleeds and energy regen and it's 45% of healers on the top 500 of players. It also provides ranged dps with kiting power, so for example good luck reaching a frost mage or lock or devoker with freedom. I mean you play vs hpala + frostmage, is there any chance of killing mage vs 2 blocks and 2 bops and freedom? Not really.

[@this_smitty23]

I have a feeling sub will be a lot better than some are predicting. The cdr loss is rough but burst is higher and the window is increased. They can still do sub things, they might be scarier tbh.

[@Zieg_Games]

Agreed, Sub is going to hit much harder for longer

[@Opeth221]

Not a chance, they will be much more predictable. Remember they are also losing double kidney, double vial, double gouge, double disarm with the vanish CDR gone. Massive amounts of CC are gone to an already nerfed tool kit. Nahj will still be able to make it work, but the skill level just increased immensly.

[@Opeth221]

also lost sepsis granting one stealth ability so extra CC gone.

[@this_smitty23]

@@Opeth221 which was broken and we didn’t have it in the past. If the burst is there it will be fine, if not it could be a dumpster outside of top 1%.

[@Zieg_Games]

@@Opeth221 Also, the rest of the meta are eating defensive nerfs too. Feral is going to get the nerf bat in a month. My only really concern is no nerfs to healer survivability.

[@quizkill]

Vicious saddle still bugged. What is the point of playing rated pvp right now!?!?!

[@SYLXM]

Thanks for the insight, Supa. Sorry this comment section is a fucking cesspool.

[@HKono_]

I have worked hard over many many videos, carefully laying well crafted bait in order to turn supa’s comment section into a glorious self generating cesspit that provides me with great entertainment, you’re welcome

[@Belver97]

Buff arms

[@Zieg_Games]

Sub Rogue, their burst got a lot stronger. No SnD in opener, additional 6% dmg for free, longer Shadow Dance on engagement.

[@Monstermash355]

still hard to play, 90% of sub rogues are garbage

[@Zieg_Games]

@@Monstermash355 I am aware as I am one of them, getting better though

[@Opeth221]

Damage will be a bit better, but survivability is a lot worse.

[@Zieg_Games]

@@Opeth221 Yeah, we won't be a raid boss anymore. My only gripe is healer survivability needs to be addressed.

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

If you’re not playing hpal/spri/frostmage/feral/aff you may as well uninstall because the balance gap for anything else is literally a CANYON right now for the average player.

[@lavishgxdBoD]

I’m really trying to choose which of my toons to try and actually push rating with. My mage, Hunter, pally and DH or rogue. Too many solid options. Oh and im trash at boomkin 🤣

[@Endless10ppp]

@@lavishgxdBoD which one is the coolest to you fantasy wise and gameplay wise? Personally the amount of sick play you can make as a mage is winner for me :) youre trully rewarded from playing it a ton. Did you know if you counter spell a spell reflect from a warrior it proc pregog on yourself :D? There is so many little tricks like that that makes it so much fun…

[@StarShopping69]

You guys can't say "I'm sorry Unholy" after screeching for nerfs since the xpac came out. It's just rinse and repeat every single season of Unholy being viable then being over-nerfed.

[@Eliteninja007]

Yup. I let it go, i was maining since BFA. At DF i reached 2.2in 2s it was struggling. But now it became the stick knight which pokes you to death…..

[@jasonuliano2715]

@@StarShopping69 the nature of the spec is the issue. They have so much control and anti magic abilities that when they do good damage, casters at low to mid MMR cant play the game (ranged kick, ams, amz, 2 grips, slappy hands). It sucks its balanced for these players but its the way blizz wants it I guess.

[@StarShopping69]

@@Eliteninja007 Yep, I'm not even arguing that Unholy wasn't strong, we were for sure but people talk about it as if there was no other god tier melee and now look at feral. We were also still weak to physical damage comps which is fine, every spec deserves a weakness but every single season, the same thing happens. It's so tiring.

[@euricoguidetti4605]

After maining unholy since original Wrath, he's going to the bench for the first time. Despite all the bad seasons we had, this one is the worst ever, to the point of unplayable.

[@ivanbssouza]

Amazing video! Holy is DEF A or B, it def loses in comparison with disc, but still a very decent spec

[@Xonethug1]

Ww monk is gonna be god tier for sure. Already does so much damage, it’s gonna absolutely delete ppl post changes

[@stoopidyoutubehandle]

Devoker struggle immensely with taking on any other 40-yard-reach specs. The slight buff on unravel may help them fight mages/SP better, but it doesn’t matter to warlock’s 4M dark pact shield. I don’t know why blizzard are stubborn with clothies being utterly op. Can you imagine after three to four rounds of class changes. Frost mage still dominates high-end pvp? Can one even imagine how disgustingly op they were before?

[@FormoraDreamleaf]

Still no buffs to hpriest... Absolutely wild.

[@grantx6]

Yea we need mana buffs of some sort, or better shield throughput. Crazy that I'm casting anywhere from 16-27 flash heals in a shuffle for it to my 4th in healing lol

[@Dinnky13]

Will Def keep spamming pres evoker in 3s. Rough to climb past 1950 rn, but we'll get there. Aug is 100% sleeper OP, so much dmg. Excited for arcane buffs!

[@WoWDontu]

Aug/feral/hpal is gonna suprise everyone

[@colemays7766]

Man that nerf to UH DK sure was a great idea blizzard.

[@ElfinHilon10]

WW can get massively kited by casters, though I will say the only 2 casters I have difficulty with are devokers and frost mages. WW is absolutely S tier, but not GOD tier.

[@ZhunterPLUR]

voidweaver void leech is not doing as much as a locks healing ( i play splay and compare both classes as i main them both ) and the meter pad means nothing when u consider how the whole team rots from it. which is why Welcome to the jung lost

[@Dreadnor92]

So, nothing changes basically.

[@jdstko1]

That's what it looks like to me.

[@acuzen5620]

Ret paladin A tier ? With affli sp mage meta i think nothing change for it and he stay a dead spec but blitz

[@jackEngledew-davis-h7t]

Guys im thinking of re-rolling from resto druid, what in your opinions is a fun class. Can be any roll. Just want fun and some competetive assets.

[@viberaider6852]

Pretty sure rdruids getting buffs on Tuesday isnt it? Cat weaving as resto is pretty nasty in 2s aswell

[@MovingTargetOne]

15:20 I disagree, it sounds like you want homogenisation, in that case give priest a blink...

[@Supatease]

You disagree because you like automatic healing that's so powerful it keeps you alive with no effort. There are other ways to give shadow this that are more engaging void leech is inherently a bad mechanic.

[@MovingTargetOne]

@@Supatease Its not exactly free health, and there are literally dozens of abilities for other classes that are passive healing/shields. My arguement is that this passive in particular isnt as op as you claim because its that much easier to train a priest than almost every other caster.

[@Chiz558]

@@Supateaseit’s definitely not free, you are taking health from your team mates. SP is the most tunnelled spec in the game so they need something powerful to keep us alive

[@shadedtree-]

Man wish they would help my arms out.

[@nopianocovers6628]

We have too many lower tier specs that don't have the utility/damage/survival/etc. to be viable at higher levels of play. I don't want to be forced to meta chase to find basic success... The game is good when every spec can play S tier comps.

[@phosetgc2595]

that is true but sadly , never once in the history of the game this happened. Some specs were always worse , some always better , and i'd say that it was WAY WORSE back in the days, look in TBC for exemple , or wotlk , some specs were completely trash and unplayable in arena. the reason is simple : the classes/specs/talents/kits are designed for PVE , and then ,there's some ' tuning " for PVP to try to make things as balanced as possible but we're working with classes designed for PVE , and yeah , it's never going to be " every spec S tier " sadly. i wish.

[@bradoncampbell2626]

So according to this tier list the BM, Feral, Pal is going to win AWC? I dont plan to hold my breath on that one.

[@Supatease]

@@bradoncampbell2626 this is a shuffle tier list not a 3v3 list.

[@bradoncampbell2626]

@@Supatease Oh, my bad. I was really hoping to see BM up there in 3s. I wonder what a full Arena history of top teams looks like. Any chance it has been the same 3 teams(classes) making up the Gold, Silver, Bronze spots over the last 10 years?

[@Nothingnesslol]

Was 2800 last season in 3s, now I’m 2-2.1k..

[@TokyoSwan.]

Marksman hunter is definitely NOT s tier. Not a single one represented in AWC and with the defensive nerfs, pug noobs are gonna get owned.

[@jamesdaniels9025]

Hunter is a trash class, F*CK MM too, hope it gets gutted.

[@williamharrington3595]

@@TokyoSwan. so....... you think the way a professional plays a class reflects how the average wow player plays..... got it.

[@TokyoSwan.]

@@williamharrington3595 i said in the second half of my statement that the defensive nerfs will crush the lower mmr hunters.

[@Zieg_Games]

@@TokyoSwan. The immense amount of damage they are getting from DR rework (vast majority ignores armor) is going to blow people up

[@TokyoSwan.]

@@Zieg_Games the rework hurts dark ranger tremendously. Killshot loses damage, black arrow loses the dot and rapidfire/aimed shot loses the 20% buff. I'd argue this cooks DR for pvp and makes it more of a m+ build with multishot/killshot.

[@OWlsfordshire]

Depends on which PVP mode. Rogues will always be ungodly busted and out of this universe better than every other class for blitz. 4 sec cap is insane for them. They can cap with just a cheap shot.

[@Zieg_Games]

Rogue skill cap is immense

[@Classiccolin]

If cata had soloque this expac would be dead already

[@momhips7131]

Bring back 5v5 but add objectives instead of just arena

[@willg1474]

i wish blizzard would make each class "special" again...enough of this "everyone can have everything" BS

[@bradoncampbell2626]

I agree. I kinda miss the Rock Paper Scissors that PVP used to be.

[@phosetgc2595]

@@bradoncampbell2626 such a bad take. go back on TBC private servers : if you enter a 2v2 game as a mage and u play versus lock/druid u can quit the arena instantly when the gates open even if they're 1800 players.

[@j.a.1785]

Tier lists are part of WoWs problem.

[@stef8060]

It’s called social media bud.

[@DEEP-WEB]

They will exist no matter what. It’s part of every competitive game

[@nathanbell6962]

This isn't as good as dragonflight. The hero talents are pointless additions to a great system of choice. The que times for me are 15 minutes for a rated bg, it's too long. That's 30 minutes for 1 game. Overwatch I can play almost instantly. The zones are uninteresting and too separated, and the spider zone is mostly empty. It's too expensive now to reroll and put full enchants on several characters. The new race is woke and takes me out of the fantasy. Auto loot isn't working. My ping is 150ms higher than normal (I live in Asia). My pvp mount reward is stuck at 97% and has been for 3 weeks. Blitz is full of premades and after getting 2100 I'm struggling to win a game at 1500. Gathering is borked as I took double gathering and I'll never have enough artisans acuity to get the gathering tools. Regemming costs me 50k. The devs just focus on balancing 5 main classes and to hell with the rest. Playing as horde I lose most normal bgs and epic bgs, and world pvp is like 9vs2 with most people playing alliance. I can't get any air drops because there's too many alliance. Area 52 is having random disconnects/lag. This has been reported on the forums by many people but the devs are not answering. Death by a thousand cuts

[@hahalmfao69]

Big dh

[@strajke_ofc2487]

Meta is so boring nowadays its insane I legit have no motivation to play pvp at all

[@jdstko1]

To easy to make alts , whatever is s+ people will just jump to it, be maxed level and geared in a day.

[@strajke_ofc2487]

@@jdstko1 ye but thats not the point I want to play just 1 or 2 specs only and be good at them now I cant play my DK whos sitting on 2.1 before nerfs cuz gonna drop anyways

[@DaimonoZ]

THe nerfs to DKs in the start of the season mad eme unsub. THey can never let DKS have fun and yet they let other specs like Feral / Mages / Hunters/ rogues go pretty much unnerfed which is just mind boggling.

[@OWlsfordshire]

Unholy is still good. The problem is blizz keeps buffing shit like feral, mage, hunter, spriest, and Hpal that are already at the top of the charts.

[@NDM100]

7x DK Glad here - the disease nerf a couple weeks ago was probably warranted, especially when you account for BG Blitz. However the Death Coil nerf on top of the disease nerf was a bit too far IMO. BUT, UHDK is still viable and I'd probably put it middle of the pack A tier. It's no longer broken OP but 100% glad viable still.

[@Alex-u7r1d]

QQ uhdk was melting peoples faces effortlessly

[@PeterTheDeleter]

Feral mages hunters and rogue? Oh so classes that have been in the game since alpha? Dks were super broken for multiple expansions since they came out in wrath. Glad you unsubbed less dk scum for me to deal with

[@sleezyclips8068]

There is no way a DK main is complaining about hunter and feral. Hunter and feral are almost always bad. Let them have a patch or two. Anything other than mage/rogue/war like 90% of patches.

[@HKono_]

Please keep nerfing warriors 🤞 their tears are delicious and hilarious

[@hotwings18]

stop the cap

[@Earthfurry717]

I'll believe the S Tier Hpally dream when I see it...

[@poetofnoreturn7708]

It is s tier now

[@MoonPoxX]

It's God Tier already. 3% healing increase on everything + 5% on your spender is gonna be absolutely insane.

[@jasonuliano2715]

@@Earthfurry717 Holy Pally is like 70% of healers in Arena. The other 30 is disc priest. They aren’t playing it because its middle of the pack, it’s because it’s insane rn.

[@Earthfurry717]

Those numbers are wildly inaccurate, and Paladin will always have an inflated representation due to being an extremely popular class and due to people anticipating their buffs & changes. I think Hpala is realistically A Tier. It's just been so long since Hpala has been "God" status. Even now, with big heals we are just a Hs/WoG/HL bot with utility that is fleeting with every new expansion. The changes are looking promising in terms of utility with this update though, it's a shame we didn't get this sooner.

[@sleezyclips8068]

@@Earthfurry717 well, you’re wrong. Can watch AWC for further reference. I guess everyone rerolled to pally bc it’s fun in tourney?

[@lionspridegaming6280]

Down side to PvP is getting behind in gear and struggling to catch up

[@charliegzz5737]

I thought the same, but tbh blizz made the gearing system so easy to catch up. Just do: 1) the weekly quest for bloody tokens (done in 10 minutes) 2) get 1500 conquest achievement in any way (to get free weapons) 3) play your favorite game mode to get conquest And that's it. Doing this will get you literally 10 (ten) ilvls away from top murlock players.

[@rambobatman990]

How come you put shadow priest on god tier i dont get it lol, have you considered that a class in order to be a GOD tier should have like almost all things such as - mobility,slows, self sustain, good defs, good dmg, survival and so on, and what does shadow priest lack? yeah thats right a fucking good slow, MOBILITY, ITS FUCKING HARD CASTING EVERYTHING AND U CAN BARELY CAST SHIT MOST OF THE TIME, and what just cuz we do some dmg which alot of classes btw can do way more, and we get GOD tier for what exacly again???

[@pxkdrake]

Sorry bro ur just bad. Spriest is literally the strongest class in the game right now and it isnt close except for feral. The game isnt balanced around trying to solo the entire team in a bg. Although you can almost do that on a spriest.

[@patrice6373]

@rambobatman did you watch the AWC the last like... 5wks? How did they end? Oh yeah... Spriest/Feral/Holy Pal. Pikaboo swapped from rogue to feral and in 2wks was top rated RSS, and his team are on an absolute rampage with the specs. Prev/Wizk are doing among the highest damage PvP has ever seen and are incredibly hard to train/kite and can heal. Your take is absolutely cooked and you should stop posting.

[@jasonuliano2715]

Bro you can legit just stand mid arena or on top of the healer and never die and pump. Plus nice control and utility (CC, Mass Dispel, Healing). You can climb basically afk because you are invincible and rot people down passively. So if a team hits you they lose because you cant die and if they don’t u just destroy the game by sitting on their healer, free casting and pumping.

[@olsonbrandon91]

Yeah DH is mid af

[@Noobertmcnoob]

Game sucks now

[@EthCepher]

Prevoker is way better than hpal for mana. Not even close lol

[@ziggs123]

The second SP is viable this clowns call for nerfs, yet its mage and lock that win in tournaments and are at the top of the ladder. Voidleech fits perfectly into a 0 mobility spec. Its to tanky for you? Dont attack it, hater Ven and Supa have propaganda against sp its disgusting to have such obvious bias while working for the company

[@HKono_]

Least obvious pvp rage bait: Cmon man atleast put some effort in nobody is falling for this lol

[@starboy1675]

nah fr hes such a hater, imagine crying about the most unmobile caster having void leech

[@hibob2903]

LOL boomie B tier is cooked. Any rogue spec above c tier is also cooked.

[@OWlsfordshire]

Rogues will still be above god tier for blitz and thats the most popular ranked PVP mode.

[@ogChaaka]

This is the dumbest comment ive seen on the internet.

[@SYLXM]

This guy's perception of the tier list is the DPS meter at the end of the match 😂

[@Zieg_Games]

Man, you really hate dying to rogues. Still gonna happen, not much you can do about it.

[@eugenesternin6039]

Remember, when supa put all 3 rogue specs into S tier? And it turned out so bad, even pika had to reroll. Yeah…

[@arthas5270]

Keep grifting bro. Go somewhere else then.

[@Saso2701]

Why do you think rogue is bad? In EU the highest rated 3s is a rogue, the highest solo shuffle is a rogue, the highest blitz is a rogue. Legit a rogue rank1 in every single bracket of the game xD.. in NA pika is rank1 on feral in shuffle with 238 games played 63% winrate but he is rank2 in shuffle with his rogue with only 84 games played and 78% winrate.. if you think rogue is bad then you are either delusional or a rogue player yourself but so god awful at the game it makes you think rogue is bad xd

[@Supatease]

Pikaboo has one of the highest win rates of any class on sub rogue in shuffle and whaaz won every cup on sub rogue.

[@pxkdrake]

Dear god i swear all these commenters have actual brain damage. Id pay good money to watch a clip of this guys arena matches. I need a good laugh. Too many blackpills.

[@OWlsfordshire]

​@@pxkdrake Sub is still insane. It just takes a lot of work from the full team to pull off. Most people dont want to put in that effort when you can faceroll feral.

[@colelinton4978]

first

[@prdgmshft9107]

Please don’t speak in the comments unless you are high rated player like me.(2500 BG Blitz - 1800 RBG - 1600 Solo Shuffle - 1400 threes)

[@shadedtree-]

Bro how tf you so high on bg blitz. Just won 6 games in a row and only went up by 15. Was getting no rating for most games

[@jdstko1]

This is golden. Bravo

[@xDroozyy]

TWW is a bust

[@breadmanfun]

I’m enjoying myself even as a Boomy player 😅