11 Epic Space Opera TV Shows That Aren’t Star Trek

[@jameswarner5809]

Dark Matter getting canned on a cliffhanger was infuriating. There should be a law that no series can be cancelled without allowing for a tie-up episode.

[@ftlfx]

i agree, how do they cancel such a great show like that? they keep looking at only their BS internal metrics not realizing what a great show this was.

[@tvshowpilotcom]

totally agree!

[@wildfire160]

As i understand it there was a choice between renewing Dark Matter for what would be a final season or renewing Killjoys....they choose Killjoys

[@MarcelSM01]

Both one season would have been the best solution then.

[@jameswarner5809]

@@wildfire160 I love Killjoys so I'm not sad that it got five seasons, just a shame it had to be either/or.

[@TheLinKrust]

The Expanse was epic - and worth a watch

[@susanbooth6793]

I was bored. Couldn't tell one episode or character from another. Gave up around episode 1.7

[@steveaustin2686]

Y'all said countdown and if that is so, then Firefly and Babylon 5 need to be tied at the #1 spot in this list.

[@virgolaniakean8001]

Objectively definetly in the top 3

[@John_259]

And The Expanse, IMHO.

[@efxnews4776]

I watch all this shows and frankly, none of then are better than The Expanse, not even Star Trek. The Expanse is the n⁰ 1 the rest are just Star Wars pretending to be smarter.

[@steveaustin2686]

@efxnews4776 Nah, no way the Expanse is better than Firefly or Babylon 5.

[@professorhelmling6059]

@efxnews4776 This guy gets it.

[@nealkrueger6097]

You forgot the 90sTv show : Space Above & Beyond .

[@lechugh]

That show was GREAT, too bad the execs couldn't see that.

[@Emanon...]

There's a special place in hell for execs that canned a show on a cliffhanger. Dark Matter. Colony. Stargate Universe!

[@johnsieverssr8288]

Agree... 💯

[@centaur1a]

Defiance. About survivors of refugees from space came crashing on Earth. Several years later the aliens are treated like enemies of Earth. A small community of both humans and aliens coexist with an uneasy truce. The show follows a human sheriff and an alien teen trys to navigate the uneasy town and from the outside influences.

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

Great series, true, but not exactly space opera as 99% of it takes place on Earth. Hence why it wasn't on the list. Videogame tie-in was fun to play, too

[@wildfire160]

It wasnt all great but it tried hard to be and often was...

[@williamholt8326]

Better than cowby bebop.

[@bledy9833]

People really don't realize how good of a series Killjoys is

[@tvshowpilotcom]

Right? It's still one of my favorite shows!

[@davidwuhrer6704]

I've never heard of it

[@EpimethiusPSN]

Killjoys was good until Dutch was changed into a super being made of green goop

[@wildfire160]

Killjoys was pretty solid until it wasn’t but for me i`ll never forgive that the vastly superior Dark Matter was cancelled by the SyFy channel yet Killjoys was renewed....dont get me wrong i`d have liked both to be renewed but it really was an either one or the other choice by SyFy

[@wildfire160]

@@davidwuhrer6704 Its a decent show but sometimes kinda generic and at others really damn good

[@shawngillogly6873]

There is B5, and there is everything else.

[@efxnews4776]

@@shawngillogly6873 idk, i try to watch sometime ago, and frankly didn't get impressed, already played Mass Effect, and also i had watched The Expanse...

[@gijones2000]

B5 was way ahead of its time in terms of story telling. Sure, its production values suffered due to lack of budget but man did the story more than make up for it. Seasons 3 and 4 have some of my favourite sci-fi episodes.

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

If the only criterion is “Space Opera and not Star Trek”, then you’re leaving the opening for Doctor Who as well as all the Star Wars shows. You also left out Blake’s 7, Red Dwarf, Space 1999, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, Flash Gordon, the original BSG, the two other Stargate series, Space Above & Beyond… And loads of people insist Discovery isn’t Star Trek.

[@Christobanistan]

Doctor Who is too kiddy. IT was really cool 2005-2009 or so, then became very hard to watch. The last 10 years are just far left identity politics with impossibly bad writing.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

​@@ChristobanistanClassic Doctor Who. From the 1960s to the 1980s.

[@guillaumet1327]

Come on, can't you just stop ranting against Disco for 5 minutes ?!

[@seanharry8749]

Your missing Blakes 7, Space 1999, Raised By Wolves, The Lexx and Foundation, and you should drop Cowboy Beebop from the list.

[@Christobanistan]

Cowboy Beebop was one of the worst shows ever made. That it's on this list makes me think the rest of this list is shit.

[@martinwilliams9866]

And Stargate Atlantis & Universe

[@efxnews4776]

@@martinwilliams9866 most of this shows are crap compared with The Expanse.

[@wildfire160]

​@efxnews4776 I`d say of the shows on the list The Expanse was no1 but most of the others are no way crap...

[@xhagast]

@@Christobanistan Agreed. It takes away any credibility it might have had.

[@GrayOperative]

It's a spin-off, but Stargate: Atlantis was awesome!

[@kmccabe1962]

Superb like Dark Matter

[@fred6319]

not Space Opera

[@ftlfx]

All stargate shows are amazing, even SGU was getting good once they stopped Chloe from sobbing and crying in all episodes. but than it got canned, just as it was about to burst into greatness. these executives have ruined so many great scifi shows man !!!

[@willisman]

Indeed.

[@Glittersword]

For old schoolers "Space: 1999" and the original "Battlestar Galactica".

[@The_Scienceboy]

EXPANSE BEST SHOW EVER

[@Christobanistan]

Other Space is on KZbin, and free. Best comedy sci-fi I've ever seen.

[@efxnews4776]

@@Christobanistan comedy =/= Hard Sci-fi space opera.

[@Christobanistan]

@ Title doesn't say "hard." It qualifies as space opera, since the crew is in space for a long period, though it was cancelled too early to experience it.

[@marcinborowski6938]

"Space beyond and above", "Earth 2".

[@ycplum7062]

Dark Matter ended too soon. It had just finished most of the backstory and was starting to get interesting.

[@tvshowpilotcom]

YES!

[@PaulHFleming]

Summer Glau, didn't she appear as female Terminator in the Sarah Connors Chronicles about 2008-12?

[@keithcraig506]

Yes.

[@Christobanistan]

Another great show. So much better than the movie sequels! But it was too expensive. Starring Lena Heady! Actually, it was probably her and Summer's salary...

[@zerubbabelsbridge]

That was a good show

[@EpimethiusPSN]

Yes. And her character name was Cameron, as a nod to James Cameron

[@SSecularScholar]

Blake’s 7. It’s a great British Apace Opera. A bit of a dark one too.

[@ironwarmonger]

Andromeda is a remake of Blake's 7. If you look at the first season Andromeda characters each of them is a one for one remake of a Blake's 7 Character. Tyr is Avon. Rev Bem is Olag Gan. Becka Valentine is the least change, she is a clone of Jenna in almost all ways. etc.

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

@ironwarmonger certainly it’s an influence but not a remake. Cpt. Hunt is not a revolutionary, they’re trying to restore a federation type government not overthrow one, Tyr is nothing like Avon even if they’re both potentially duplicitous, Vila doesn’t have a counterpart in A (no it isn’t Harper, Vila isn’t an engineer), Trance has no counterpart in B7 (Don’t even compare the ever annoying Cally to Trance. Nope) and Andromeda herself is way hotter and more likeable than Zen. And the storylines are nothing alike. You may as well pull in The Lexx too. It’s just as similar.

[@TheNicoliyah]

I remember watching it as a kid. Can’t remember what it was about but have loved sci fi ever since

[@ironwarmonger]

@@CaritasGothKaraoke I am going to have to respectily disagree. While their respective personalities are not identical, there modivation are all extremely similar. And the fact there is the similarities and there are SEVEN of them says much. And I do agree that Andromedia was far more attractive the Ship, Zen was the computer that came in later.

[@richdurbin6146]

Killjoys was the only one of these I hadn’t heard of. Space 1999 is worth a look. Blake’s 7 is also interesting.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

I'd say Space 1999 and Blakes 7 have not dated that well, well, at least in production quality (but Space 199 fares way better in that department) and because of the format of the time. That said, the character interplay on Blakes 7 is superb Avon + Villa for comedy, Avon + Servalan for the delicious frenemy vibes. Though the last episode, lets just say when GoT ended and people were outraged, those of us who grew up following Blakes 7 were going 'First time?'😉

[@heartyfisher]

Killjoys is worth a watch.

[@hjge1012]

Really? You knew Darkmatter, but not Killjoys. How is that even possible, when one aired right after the other, on the same channel?

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

@@hjge1012 UK, different broadcasters..

[@richdurbin6146]

​@@hjge1012 I saw Darkmatter on Netflix. Never ran across Killjoys. Maybe I just glossed over the title. It doesn't sound very science fiction.

[@nullpexception]

Cowboy Bebop-- only as the anime. That live-action was drek.

[@hurgar7596]

I can't believe you put the netflix cowboy bebop on this list. it is pure crap.

[@ronnycook3569]

The criterion was "Epic", not "Good." CB live action is epically bad.

[@grapeman63]

"Lexx", "Red Dwarf", "Space: 1999", "UFO", "Space Precinct" , "The 100" should all have a place on this list. "Killjoys" is a bit of a slow burner but got good towards the end. I have watched and enjoyed all of the shows on this list except "Cowboy Beebop" and "The Orville". By all accounts I've not missed much.

[@viktor-kolyadenko]

I watched the "Expansion", BSG, "Dark Matter", "Farscape", "Babylon 5", "Andromeda". And of course SG too.

[@Christobanistan]

Lexx is better than them all. The Oh Way-Oh!!!

[@culturewarsdiplomacy]

I loved Killjoy. I still thinks it’s hilarious that Sean and Aaron Ashmore on the “most famous twins” and the “famous people you didn’t know were twin” lists. Aaron who was also on Smallville was on Killjoys, Shawn was Iceman.

[@JamesSmall-i6u]

Andromeda blows. Also Hunt was not in suspended animation. He was stuck near a black hole for 300 years.

[@BigBritinUK]

Blake 7, Space 1999, Space above and beyond, Red Dwarf, Hitchhikers guide, Buck Rogers (1st season).

[@jimliu2560]

What is wrong with season 2 of BR?

[@bluesywalker501]

Orville was excellent

[@Christobanistan]

The Orville was terrible writing, saved only by the fact that it was at least similar to real ST.

[@leecrystal1]

Cowboy Bebop's Japanese anime was WAY BETTER. (There was also a related anime movie.)

[@hjge1012]

Seeing how old some of these shows are, really makes you sad with how few of these kinds of shows there actually are.

[@evilpixie96]

you know television stared before the 1990s

[@davidbruceclark]

Where's Lexx.?

[@Christobanistan]

Only the craziest and most awesome show ever.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

I worship His Shadow

[@Christobanistan]

The Oh Way Oh!!!

[@kenttsui6024]

No foundations, or space above and beyond?

[@tvshowpilotcom]

Two more good ones 👍

[@fred6319]

foundations is not a Space Opera space above and beyond not that good

[@2119Barry]

Clearly you don't know good Sci-fi🤨

[@aaronjjacques]

Foundations is a show written by people who didnt read the source material. It literally contradicts the books.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

@@aaronjjacques I imagine that the main problem the producers faced is how to maintain a stable cast of characters in a story that's meant to cover hundreds of years, and was originally published as a series of separate vignettes. That would explain why they brought in the cloned emperor, and had people in suspended animation for long periods of time.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

Dark Matter ends on a cliff hanger.

[@donswanson1205]

i really liked that show and was pissed when it got canceled

[@keithcraig506]

@@donswanson1205 Same

[@RationalistRebel]

A real shame, because it had gotten fairly good up the last season. Rather than running with the many established plotlines, the writers started more with new characters that added little to the show. That boneheaded move got the show canned and now we'll never have a resolution to any of it...

[@ClaxmanG]

@@RationalistRebel agreed. They should have dealt more with the corporate intrigue, and the intersection of government and industry, which was by far the best of their plot lines.

[@paulschluck1377]

For something classic you should have a look at Germay's "Raumpatrouille Orion" (1966). It predates Star Trek, but have a look. You might be surprised.

[@mrcatchingup]

I have seen nearly all of these and loved many of them. I am not sure I would use the term space opera for another science fiction show I really respected but want to mention it, Spave: Above & Beyond.

[@2119Barry]

Cowboy Bebop live remake is on your list😂 Clearly you have no clue what good Sci-fi is 🤨😂

[@fred6319]

Space Opera not SFI

[@ClaxmanG]

I understand that some fans prefer the animated version, but the live action show was actually quite interesting, and certainly better than "Battlestar Galactica," which also made the list, that had become hot, steaming, garbage by the final episode.

[@tvshowpilotcom]

@@ClaxmanG I liked the live action version, too. I went into it blind and enjoyed it for what it was - a fun space opera adventure.

[@polychromide]

Battlestar Galactica is the only SciFi show to win the prestigious Peabody Award. It should be number one

[@cliffdixon6422]

No Blakes 7? Effects were poor (Standard BBC at the time) but the storytelling and character arcs were impressive, has had a major influence on some of the shows mentioned here

[@dono42]

I've watched all of them except "Cowboy Bebop", though I have seen the Japanese anime that it is based on. "Babylon 5", "Galactica", and "Expanse" are absolutely legendary and pillars of sci-fi, with "Farscape" not far behind. "SG-1" and "Orville" were a lot of fun. "Killjoys" and "Dark Matter" were decent enough. "Andromeda" started out good but was difficult to make it through to the end. I'll probably get some downvotes but I found it difficult to really get into "Firefly".

[@icreateworlds]

Killjoys was a really big surprise for me. I bought it a couple years ago and it’s one of those I keep coming back to over and over, just because of the characters and had a great final episode. Battlestar galactica and Babylon 5 are two of the ones I’ve rewatched the most too. Babylon 5 was epic and unique when it came out and I really loved galactica reboot and its final episode too. The one from the list I don’t get is Andromeda. Too plastic for me and devoid of imagination. I would pick the weird LEXX instead which is not in this list.

[@tiagopatricio3805]

Dark Matter, Firefly and Orville are best in the list: "11 Epic Space Opera TV Shows That COULD have been better than Star Trek"

[@Christobanistan]

LEXX!!! Other Space!!! Red Dwarf!!!! Andromeda!!!! (Lexa Doig mmmm)

[@mtverv]

Killjoys and Dark Matter are 2 of the better Sci-Fi Shows no one ever talks about. I rewatched Dark Matter recently and am in the middle of my Killjoys rewatch now. These are two of the Sci-Fi Shows I always recommend to people with the 3rd being Sliders…

[@tvshowpilotcom]

Fully agree!

[@Emanon...]

The Orville _is_ for all intents and purposes a star trek show. It's fun and entertaining, but utterly derivative. Doesn't deserve to be among these gems and titans of sci fi.

[@KangOfTheNomadicConsortium]

You guys forgot Foundation, Defiance & Raised By Wolves...... But I'll be able to make it I' won't yell(*sarcasm) I must say The Expanse is damn good and tied to a REAL WORLD possibility. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ KillJoys was damn good for a new era of Scifi ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Dark Matter HAD EVERYONE HOOKED they took notes from FireFly and other shows and made a damn good show LEFT US WITH THE CLIFFHANGER that destroyed an entire series and they started to destroy character development it is what could've been a great SCI-FI tv series ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ FireFly(Real World Possibility) ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ SG-1 How can we forget ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ A cult classic at this point. FARSCAPE left us puzzled but wanting more ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Ohter side of the Universe great SCI-Fi tv series

[@billmullins6833]

You left out "Space: Above And Beyond". Outstanding series cancelled FAR too soon IMHO.

[@fred6319]

space above and beyond not that good

[@keithcraig506]

@@fred6319 For its time it was pretty good. More importantly, it was different. The biggest problem I had was that it ended way too soon, before there could be any real story or character development.

[@fred6319]

@@keithcraig506 i it was full of contradictions in the first episode they had a small window to go to that colony in what compared with the ships later looks primitive and fly around with no limitations and using pilots as ground troops makes no sense if your pilots are on the ground there is nobody to fly the fighters when they get killed on the ground you have no pilots . The colony ship in the first episode is like something from a next-generation Apollo program, and the crew are highly trained astronauts and scientists ready to head out on a one way trip to the unknown. But as soon as they go missing it turns out Earth has space super-carriers with artificial gravity and everything. It's like having Captain Cook disappear and the WW2 US navy suddenly appearing to go out after him. they kick him of the colony ship breaking his contract but when she says she will stay behind they threaten to sue her for breaking her contract

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

There would be no Farscape, Firefly, reboot BSG, Dark Matter 2015, nor Andromeda, if not for Blake’s 7.

[@ClaxmanG]

Um, where do you get that idea from?

[@WolfsHaven]

Unfortunately a lot of sci-fi shows don't last long, especially space operas. They are fairly expensive to make. Space Above and Beyond and Earth2 are good examples of that. For a time NBC/SYFY was good about providing shows for us, many produced in Canada. Maybe not quite space opera and more alien invasion series that was good was Falling Skies from TNT and Defiance from SYFY.

[@balbindersingh8692]

BattleStar Galactica is one of the best TV shows ever produced.

[@austenbach3356]

A few must watches here + a couple i never heard of... well done

[@tvshowpilotcom]

Thank you!

[@gtmuse329A]

I had forgotten Killjoys…fun show! If you are into really crazy, you can add Lexx to the list! 😮

[@tvshowpilotcom]

Loved Killjoys, one of my faves. I'll definitely check out Lexx!

[@Wolfen443]

I watched Killjoys, Firefly, The Expanse, and Battlestar Galactica (Boths series), have at least two of them in DVD too as well. Dark Matter, Farscape, and Babylon 5 were better than that Netflix version of Cowboy Bebop. Andromeda lost its way and was ruin by its lead, Kevin Zorbo. Stargate is a classic, even its failed last version in Universe. The Orville was fun too, If Dune ever becomes a regular series it could be added too. Maybe LEXX could be added for the wrong reasons.

[@rigginhelga0222]

Killjoys is amazing 👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@alruiz5096]

What happened to Raised By Wolves? One of the best sci fi productions EVER! Definitely beats out a few u included.

[@edwardsierpowski3839]

And the there are UFO and Space 1999 from Gerry Anderson. Absolutely superb and fun.

[@Stingmon21]

Gotta say every show on the list is worth the effort, Except Andromeda. Other than one of the best cliffhangers ever in season one, the show didn't live up to the promises it made. Between universe over-building, sub plots that went nowhere and a meandering final season, this is one I HIGHLY recommend avoiding.

[@kimtyson7011]

Like your list. Would have to replace Andromeda with The LEXX though, and maybe add Altered Carbon if it fits your criteria. In the rankings I would definitely put Firefly as #1.

[@zootopiawilson]

Replace Andromeda with Blake's 7.

[@joyatodd]

Red Dwarf

[@CoyotesOwn]

Quit Andromeda after season 2. That's when Sorbo's ego became a singularity that consumed the show.

[@ClaxmanG]

Indeed. He was, at best, a mediocre actor; and when he took more control of the show it became unwatchable.

[@TheNicoliyah]

Same

[@dono42]

Yeah, I enjoyed Andromeda at the start, but it became increasingly difficult to watch it through to the end.

[@margaretchayka6878]

I keep trying to get into The Expanse, but have yet to stay awake to watch more than 15 minutes. Can't even remember what's in those 15. Sort of like how I keep trying to slog through Space 2001. Been trying to watch that for decades.

[@AaronPICAR]

The original Cowboy Bebop is the coolest show of all time ever. I will NEVER watch the live action. Babylon 5 is the greatest on screen sci-fi ever.

[@lordcypher7922]

Babylon 5 by far the best, Dark Matter is awesome but you did forget one, Blake’s 7.

[@goodsound4756]

It would have been great, if you indicated for each Series, where you can actually watch them right now.

[@lyudmilagutnik5326]

Missing Stargate Atlantis and Halo

[@misterramon7447]

Where is Above and Beyond?

[@fred6319]

space above and beyond not that good

[@misterramon7447]

@@fred6319 In your opinion

[@fred6319]

@@misterramon7447 it was full of contradictions in the first episode they had a small window to go to that colony in what compared with the ships later looks primitive and fly around with no limitations and using pilots as ground troops makes no sense if your pilots are on the ground there is nobody to fly the fighters when they get killed on the ground you have no pilots . The colony ship in the first episode is like something from a next-generation Apollo program, and the crew are highly trained astronauts and scientists ready to head out on a one way trip to the unknown. But as soon as they go missing it turns out Earth has space super-carriers with artificial gravity and everything. It's like having Captain Cook disappear and the WW2 US navy suddenly appearing to go out after him. they kick him of the colony ship breaking his contract but when she says she will stay behind they threaten to sue her for breaking her contract

[@misterramon7447]

@@fred6319 Look, you can pick apart Andromeda and Star Trek too. OK, you don't like it. I'm NOT saying it was the greatest but I enjoyed a lot of it. I'm former Army and I and a Marine used to dissect the flaws like how you would NOT have trained Pilots used as Infantry but still we kept watching and enjoying it. Now if you want to REALLY hate a Sci-Fi show there is NO substitute for 'Lost" the absolute WORST put together nonsense I ever saw.

[@fred6319]

@@misterramon7447Lost not Space Opera. what part" it was full of contradictions in the first episode they had a small window to go to that colony in what compared with the ships later looks primitive and fly around with no limitations The colony ship in the first episode is like something from a next-generation Apollo program, and the crew are highly trained astronauts and scientists ready to head out on a one way trip to the unknown. But as soon as they go missing it turns out Earth has space super-carriers with artificial gravity and everything. It's like having Captain Cook disappear and the WW2 US navy suddenly appearing to go out after him"don't you understand?

[@johnsieverssr8288]

Love all these shows...❤

[@swamp4everable]

The Orville is the equivalent of the movie "Spaceballs." It's a disgrace to put the live action Cowboy Bebop on this list, I love the anime Cowboy Bebop tho

[@coltaine503]

Babylon 5 is my favorite on the list, though I have not seen Expanse and what clips I've seen look amazing (You're not that guy). Never heard of Killjoy but it looks promising. Will check it out a bit. Thanks for the list. Lots of good stuff.

[@efxnews4776]

Buddy i watch most of this shows here, and i can safely say, none beat The Expanse, and you could even add Star Trek to the list... If you didn't watch The Expanse yet, you are losing time... By the way, forget things like shields and anti gravity space magic... in TE sht is real, battles don't last long, but they are amazing to watch and very tactical. There's no much magic stuff, aside from the alien tech that isn't to much of magical, just really weird... In terms of writing, characters and world building, it is on par with Game of Thrones.

[@atlanteean]

Killjoys is pretty solid, too bad it ends with a massive cliffhanger

[@zerubbabelsbridge]

I AM that guy, and The Expanse is the best show in years. Doors and Corners! I give Mandalorian season 1&2 second place on new shows. I'll try to find killjoy and give it a chance.

[@jtommygun]

Star Trek Universe are The Original Series (TOS); The Next Generation (TNG); Deep Space Nine (DS9); Voyager (VOY), plus animated series, plus kinda a prequel series, plus a bunch of other series, plus Picard series, plus a bunch of movies, the only one that get anywhere close is the Stargate universe, with honorable mention to Babylon 5, Farscape and Firefly.

[@tvshowpilotcom]

I'm aware of how many Star Trek shows, movies, etc there are.The whole point of this video was to highlight other space opera shows that aren't Star Trek, so... 🤷‍♀

[@aracelymoran2504]

@jtommygun It ends with at least Voyager. NuTrek (Discovery, Upper Decks, SNW, Section 31) is its own timeline and world and view it as is, not as continuity of TOS and NG. Like Kelvin Timeline is Abrhams own thing (in which Picard Seasons 1 and 2 is considered Kelvin). Question is how do things change after STND "First Contact", if it leads to Enterprise and NuTrek of something else.

[@efxnews4776]

​@@aracelymoran2504The Expanse is better than all of it combined.

[@saladinbob]

Every single Space Opera ever made is better than Star Trek bar none, because Star Trek isn't a Space Opera.

[@davidmiddleton7958]

Netflixs Cowboy Beebop is a PALE IMMITATION of the Manga version!

[@plothole181]

It also doesn't hold up to the anime. Honestly, the Netflix series was just underwhelming as hell. Its the only thing on this list that I just straight up disagree with being on the list at all.

[@atlantianson515]

I am able to say that I've watched all of them, except Cowboy Beebop. Tried to watch it but just couldn't to connect with like all the other shows and of course, Star Trek.

[@atlmz6]

Loved all of these shows. Please make more Hollywood writers

[@luiznogueira1579]

Like your picks, but to me the order would be very different. The Orville in first place? You can't be serious...

[@efxnews4776]

The Orville in first place while The Expanse is way down below...

[@ronaldbelton7801]

The Expanse was awesome!

[@uchinan_chiburu]

none of these comes close to The Expanse!

[@msdsplayground8360]

The Expanse was Awesome!

[@bfcsharp3]

😂opra, im thinking they singing😂😂😂

[@BXBATMAN]

Star Trek was not a space opera, it was a space western. Star Wars is the opera

[@davidwuhrer6704]

Star Trek is not a Western. It was pitched as a Western because that's what studios understood, and Blazing Saddles hadn't happened yet. But Star Trek is the opposite of a classic Western in every way.

[@BXBATMAN]

@ you don’t have to like it or even agree but it’s western. Even if you deny it being one, it’s closer to being a western than a space opera. “Wagon train to the stars” and that’s a fact.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

@@BXBATMAN I agree that it's not a space opera, but it is in fact not a Western either. Read my previous post again.

[@BXBATMAN]

@ I read it the first time. And again Roddenberry himself described it as the “wagon train to the stars “ I think I’ll stick with shows creator over your “traditional western” comment

[@davidwuhrer6704]

@@BXBATMAN Read it again.

[@ftlfx]

Seen them all, love them all, well except for killjoys.

[@louhodo5761]

Not sure how the live action Cowboy Bebop made it on this list. The Anime definitely, but the live action version missed the point.

[@everblacker]

Saw all, loved all...

[@kevbridges3387]

Killjoys was cheap and cheerfull with bad acting thrown in for good measure.

[@jetnova16]

You obviously don’t understand what Star Trek is for it IS NOT A Space Opera! When Gene Roddenberry was alive he strictly even said this major fact; on top of that, his son Eugene Roddenberry Jr has strictly said the exact same thing! Thus you are 100% WRONG to call Star Trek a space opera! It isn’t even a Space Drama! In fact Star Trek is a series and movie franchise about telling the Human Condition as Gene Roddenberry stated, it’s about using real world events to tell a science fiction story about bringing humanity together to better itself.

[@jamescoghlan7330]

Another great one on Netflix is called Another Life.

[@aracelymoran2504]

No Buck Rogers or Flash Gordon?????

[@TheNicoliyah]

Ah good times on a Saturday afternoon

[@ironwarmonger]

Stargate, the movie and show ripped off from the 1982 Roal Playing Game Fringeworthy, by Tri Tac Games. RIP Richard. We will carry on the crusade. The Orville, what happens with Seth MacFarlane has a Bender moment. He got his start as a teen making Star Trek Fan Films and when he heard that CBS was going to make new Star Trek, he when to them and wanted to be part of it. CBS said no, so he went "Find then, I will make my own Science Fiction Show with Hookers and Blackjack, screw the Blackjack and Hookers, I just make a great Science Fiction show".

[@wildfire160]

I`d say of the shows on the list The Expanse was no1 but most of the others are no way bad... Babylon 5 has some of the greatest ever sci-fi episodes ever made... Dark Matter was an awesome series cancelled too soon....(so Killjoys could go on FFS) Firefly is the same never given a real chance to grow...(thank god for Serenity) The end of Battlestar Galactica was disappointing but for 95% of its 5 series was totally awesome.. The Orville should have been bad based on the premise but ended up being so much better.. Farscape could be variable but damn when they got it right they got it very right.. (plus it had an awesome finale in The Peacekeeper Wars) I like the others and recommend them but the previous are all just better...Stargate had its moments so did Killjoys but Andromeda was just way to generic for me and though i don’t think Cowboy Bepop was awful it was disappointing... Its kind of a shame that Blakes 7 effects were so sub par because acting and storywise it would easily make the top ten.....

[@JohnDlugosz]

"Interstellar", not "intergalactic".

[@connormcleod9595]

Andor, foundation and the expanse

[@ab9840]

Some of those shows were quite good. But it seems the following was left out. Could be because not all the story lines were about space. One thing is for sure, they are first when it comes to having a machine that can get you where you want to go in no time. Second would be the stargate. Stargate is anchored while this is not - kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-om6tsjbqVnLM

[@thunder_chunder6491]

All of them? Also that live action Cowboy Bebop trash should be struck from the record.

[@philc2746]

Space above and beyond is missing

[@AmyW-m2p]

No mention of "Space: Above and Beyond?" Boo!

[@edwardsierpowski3839]

Foundation is good but its pacing is a bit haphazard.

[@tstockel]

Yeah, quit watching the moment you brought up Killjoys.

[@theonetruekirk]

Space Above and Beyond.

[@edwardsierpowski3839]

Two more British series from yesteryear that are superb … Timeslip (very badly copied by Sliders) and Star Cops, an excellent thriller series.

[@bledy9833]

We need a reboot of dark matter

[@dono42]

I guess it depends on how you define "reboot". I'd love to see a continuation where it ended, but--with the exception of Galactica--most remakes are disappointing. If something is good enough there should be no need to remake it.

[@professorhelmling6059]

Your list is valid by virtue of inclusion of the Expanse. However, you have a mistake in your premise: You say shows that aren't Star Trek, but then include Orville.

[@keithcraig506]

Orville is not Star Trek. It's Star Trek-esque, but there's no connection. As the video said, it started as a kind of spoof on Star Trek but then it grew into its own thing.

[@tvshowpilotcom]

@@keithcraig506 THIS!

[@professorhelmling6059]

@@keithcraig506 Your sense of irony is underdeveloped. You might want to work on that.

[@davidwuhrer6704]

​@@keithcraig506Just like DS9