Brit Hadasha: The Virgin Birth - 119 Ministries

[@Matthew22.37]

Genealogy....grammar....pragmatics....semantics! Much to test and consider....My thinking cap is on!! :-) Wonderful study!

[@user-vm6en5tu3d]

Regarding Jeconiah, if the curse was reversed in Haggai 2:23, then why was Zerubbabel only a governor and why were there no Kings after Zerubbabel? To use the oral Torah to “prove” that the curse was reversed presents more problems for Christianity. 1) The core doctrine of vicarious Atonement is nullified because according to the oral Torah, Jeconiah was forgiven without a blood sacrifice. 2) You would have to elevate the oral Torah over the written Torah. Interestingly, there are two manuscripts of a Hebrew Matthew that has been found by Nehemia Gordon that clarifies that the genealogy in Matthew 1 is that of Mary’s FATHER, which means that Mary was a descendant of Jeconiah. Luke 3 is the genealogy of Joseph, Mary’s Husband.

[@rudvy1]

If you go to the Channel “The Tribe of Judah Teach” and check out the video “ The Virgin Birth Debate “ this young man explains how Joseph was the biological father of Jesus. It’s almost 2 hours long but very thorough!

[@LocoMex74]

@@rudvy1 That is actually one of the main videos that do a very good job presenting against the Virgin birth.

[@jfdc8402]

Virgin = Betulah Young woman = Alma There are three things which are too wonderful for me, for which I do not understand: 19the way of an eagle in the sky, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship in the middle of the sea, and the way of a man with a young woman [b’almah][/b’almah]. 20This is the way of an adulterous woman: she eats and wipes her mouth, and says, “I have done no wrong.” (Proverbs 30:18-20) In the above three verses, King Solomon compares a man with an alma to three other things: an eagle in the sky, a serpent on a rock, and a ship in the sea. What do these four things all have in common? They leave no trace. After the eagle has flown across the sky, it is impossible to determine whether an eagle had ever flown through that airspace. Once a snake has slithered over a rock, there is no way to discern that the snake had ever crossed there (as opposed to a snake slithering over sand or grass, where it leaves a trail). After a ship passes through the sea, the wake behind it comes together and settles behind it, leaving no way to discern that a ship had ever moved through this body of water. Similarly, King Solomon declares that once a man has been sexually intimate with an almah, i.e. a young woman, no trace of sexual intercourse is visible, unlike a virgin who will leave behind a discharge of blood after her hymen is broken. Therefore, in the following verse (Proverbs 30:20) King Solomon explains that once this adulterous woman “eats” (a metaphor for her fornication), she removes the trace of her sexual infidelity, “wipes her mouth, and says, ‘I have done no wrong.’” The word alma clearly does not mean a virgin. In the same way that in the English language the words “young woman” does not indicate sexual purity, in the Hebrew languagethere is no relationship between the words almah and virgin. On the contrary, it is usually a young woman who bears children. The word alma only conveys age/gender. Had Isaiah wished to speak about a virgin, he would have used the word betulah1 (בְּתוּלָה) not almah. The word betulah appears frequently in the Jewish Scriptures, and is the only word - in both biblical and modern Hebrew - that conveys sexual purity. Moreover, as mentioned earlier, the masculine form of the noun עַלְמָה (alma) is עֶלֶם (elem), which means a “young man,” not a male virgin. This word appears twice in the Jewish Scriptures (I Samuel 17:56, 20:22). As expected, without exception, all Christian Bibles correctly translate עֶלֶם as a “young man,” “lad,” or “stripling,” never “virgin.” Why does theKing James Version of the Bible translate the masculine Hebrew noun לָעֶלֶם (la’elem) as “to the young man” in I Samuel 20:22, and yet the feminine form of the same Hebrew noun הָעַלְמָה as “a virgin” in Isaiah 7:14? The answer is Christian Bibles had no need to mistranslate I Samuel 20:22 because this verse was not misquoted in the New Testament.

[@messyanic5939]

Genesis 4:25 clearly identifies Abel and Seth as being the seed of the woman (Eve), who each came into being as a result of the woman first being known by her man. The gymnastics being done in this video to insist that the Messiah comes from a source other than a man is disturbing.

[@anamargaritasuarez3072]

¿Qué tal si Mateo sí describe la línea de María siendo ella la hija de José (mismo nombre de su prometido pero diferentes personas). Y qué tal si Lucas habla de José su padre adoptivo terrenal? Podría ser que donde dice José esposo de María, sea padre de María como dice Michael Rood en sus “findings”. Así completa 14 generaciones y no 13 con Jesús… Gracias es sólo un pensamiento… bendiciones Aparte, que almah sea una doncella es perfecto en el contexto de Ahaz, una doncella judía no era una señora obviamente!! Y Mateo nos remota a Génesis 3:15 donde es una virgen por ser su semilla no la del hombre…. Pero Mateo nos recuerda esta señal porque es una señal de salvación.

[@NancyGarcia-op2kg]

The seed of the woman, sorry but women don’t have seed and how can Yeshua be from the seed of King David if not thru Joseph

[@corex72]

Whats an anti missionary?

[@messyanic5939]

It is so disturbing to see how you are attempting to justify the genealogy in Matthew and the list of names given in Luke to support the virgin birth doctrine. Matthew makes no claim regarding Joseph being the "supposed" father of Yeshua. Rather, the author is quite clear in stating that Joseph is the biological father of Yeshua. The whole genealogy is given to demonstrate how Yeshua is the PHYSICAL descendant of Abraham and David by way of Joseph. And then Luke's list of names has nothing to do with Mary. She isn't mentioned at all in the entire third chapter. The author is quite clear in the preceding chapters & verses in identifying Joseph, being of the house of David (whereas Mary is kin to Elizabeth who is a daughter of Aaron), as Yeshua's biological father. (Mary even refers to Joseph as Yeshua's father in Luke 2:48.) Please, reconsider this whole "Virgin Birth" paradigm that you insist on defending/promoting. The Old Testament (Tanakh) clearly points to the Messiah coming from the physical seed of David -- everyone in the first century understood that. And the New Testament clearly identifies Yeshua as being of the house of David, by way of his father Joseph. There is no evidence found in the New Testament of anyone disputing the notion that Yeshua was of the seed of David by way of his father. The New Testament never claims Joseph to be an adoptive father -- that is a claim of Christianity, not of the Brit Hadasha.

[@albertpacaj6871]

like that of trinity Mary will laugh God s dude

[@temujinadonijah6365]

Firstly I wish to confirm that I know nothing is impossible for YHWH... Secondly why does 119 ministries over intellectualise subjects? And this topic you seem to just be quoting other men and rabbis at that.. Thirdly 119 ministries when it suits you, you become political it seems you do not wish to unsettle the funding you rely upon by being too controversial... No seed is continued in scripture by the woman, solely via the man, and our SAVIOUR, was and is born through the chosen seed from the line of King David, that's why it is not through the Blessed Mary's line, YHWH would not swap the line the seed that's been followed to rule since David at the last moment.. Joseph is from the line of King David the chosen seed, And he is the biological father of our SAVIOUR how'ver the SPIRIT of the Most High over shadowed Mary when this was taking place... Flesh gives birth to flesh and spirit unto spirit... I think its too much controversy for 119 ministries to say anything other than the virgin birth for fear of losing too much revenue.. Mary and Joseph discovered she was with child "before they came together " that does not mean before they had intimate relations, it means before the ceremony of coming together which is when the People gather and after the married couple go to the tent and have intimacy then give the sign of virginity to the father upon the folded white sheet, Joseph was told not to worry as what happened prior was ordained, and to not fear taking her as his wife publicly because he was thinking if sending Mary away quietly to avoid scandal rather than her be labelled, he wasn't going to ditch her, he's a just man he just wanted to avoid gossip,... And yes he then never had any intimacy further until the birth of our SAVIOUR,, Christianity is full of perpetual misteachings.. Seek the truth people,.... YHWH easily could do what's presumed by the common thread, but learn scripture and follow his will and the truth..rather than people sitting on the fence with disclaimers saying for you to test everything but aren't being clear to you with the truth

[@corex72]

For people like me who want meat.

[@temujinadonijah6365]

@@corex72 that's nothing to do with being intellectual that's to do with snobbery... I am not saying I do not understand scripture I'm saying there's an over intellectualising process being employed to deliver the scripture making it inaccessible to many and making things unnecessarily confusing, and YHWH is not the author of confusion.... The idea is to spread the gospel and teach the gospel not to deter people from it or for it to be for the elitists... Don't you know its only when the bible became accessible to the impoverished that it spread the way it did rather than remaining with the people that wanted only the clever to know the truth?... I question you know the meaning of meat why don't you read the comments it seems I'm not the only one that feels that way.. Another guy has recently explained what I mean perfectly

[@corex72]

@@temujinadonijah6365 I’m not confused. Simple people only have to believe. What these guys talk about is powerful to my perspective on God. Why don’t you make a video simplifying the lost sheep story for simpler people?

[@corex72]

@@temujinadonijah6365 you don’t need to know how an iPhone works to use one.

[@lennoxwilliams8357]

So let me ask this question are you saying that Yahweh allowed Joseph and Miriam to fornicate being that they were just betrothed ? Isn’t that a sin ? Why would the most high encourage sin? This is unbiblical. And Mathew 1:25 clearly says “ Joseph new her not until the birth of her first born son who is called Yahshua “.

[@FigRko]

I agree with the majority of 119 ministries but not with this “virgin” birth. Straight from paganism. Sorry I Isaiah 7!has nothing to do with the Messiah. Yhwh speed.

[@cro8sandy]

There are many pagan gods. Does that mean there is no real one??Grow up

[@FigRko]

@@cro8sandy never said there was no “real” god. I believe in the one and only savior Yhwh. “Grow up”? Meaning what? Is that what “Jesus” taught you? Or the “Jesus” inside you that said that?

[@cro8sandy]

@@FigRko Yes, grow up. You didn't do your study. Which pagan god is virgin born?

[@FigRko]

@@cro8sandy I believe Tammuz and Horus to name two that I know of.

[@cro8sandy]

@@FigRko They are not born of virgin

[@tomference4618]

..wayyyyyy too much information and research to be of any benefit to someone trying to walk in the "way" in simplicity of heart. Even our savior did not expel this kind of argument in his most complex teaching. Unless the transcript of this teaching is made available, it will be a blessing to only scholarly types,..and only if they listen to it over and over again. I certainly don't feel blessed by it.

[@temujinadonijah6365]

@tomference💯 Agree its delivery is way to being presented in a intellectual way.... I've complained and they took it on board

[@jayazhane7374]

We'll you're not really supposed to 'feel blessed' are you? You're supposed to study and discern the truth and then do it. Not feel something. Yes, you may need to listen to it over and over! But that's an important thing to do. Don't forsake it because it makes you think. Don't look for feelings. Look for the truth.