12. Peter Waldo

[@brian23997]

Absolutely love your lectures- I often listen to them at night when I’m going to sleep

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you! I've actually been known to put a lot of people to sleep! Blessings friend.

[@mattverville9227]

@@GoreBruce I actually laughed out loud lol

[@rukaslyricist]

@@GoreBruce I can't find videos 1 to 11 in this series can you help me?

[@GoreBruce]

@@rukaslyricist kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXnXdHeLYttgeLc

[@hillsrus4]

I’ve been diving in to all his sermons for a while now and I love his knowledge. What sells me though is what he speaks of at the end… where is your heart. It’s refreshing to see a leader like this speak with a beautiful combination of knowledge, passion for truth, and most of all, humility.

[@drewfasa]

I think this series is my favourite one yet. So good!

[@staceylynn2903]

I’m enjoying your teachings so much! Great reminder at the end about ego. I’m in a job, that gives me significant authority. I have to admit I struggle with ego and pride, and it comes really without me even realizing it at times. This was a great reminder, one I needed. So in addition to the history lesson, thank you for the practical application.

[@staceylynn2903]

And this was meant for the Peter Waldo video, however my iPhone is in auto play. But to avoid confusion it was meant for the Waldo. Lol. Love modern technology!

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you for your kind and very thoughtful feedback!

[@hemankikainc]

Bravo!! Heard about Peter Waldo and came here after reading Herbert W. Armstrong's autobiography. Thank You

[@rickmiller8893]

I must admit..you NEVER disappoint. I never knew who Peter Waldo was..and I'll be honest..I wouldn't have watched the video had I not have seen "the crusades" in the picture, and I'm really "fuzzy" on that subject. I mean it's one of those where you know the knights w/crosses, Jerusalem.. something or another..but never REALLY understand it fully..this really was fascinating, and inspiring. The ONLY time I'm disappointed...is when I study the interlinear bible and you DONT have a video for a subject or passage when I get stuck! 😉😁 I've been studying most of my life and you BY FAR..are THE BEST teacher on BOTH SCRIPTURE AND HISTORY..that ever existed in this millennium perhaps...big words I know..but even the quote "best"..don't even come close to the lifetime of PAINSTAKING research just to "get" the subject down enough in your head to just UNDERSTAND and speak without notes..let alone teach a well organized curriculum....man.. there's just nothing like it..I've watched MANY of your videos..yet..still have more to go..and I watch many MULTIPLE times...as I can't possibly remember it all..I just don't know how you do it....well... maybe I do. Simply. Amazing.

[@GoreBruce]

'Thank you' does not seem quite adequate, but please know how much I appreciate such overwhelmingly kind words.

[@rickmiller8893]

@@GoreBruce You're welcome. Im flattered for even a reply because you're like a "celebrity" to me. I have a quick question while we're at it (different topic altogether). I LOVE your look on Revelation..I've studied it many times along with Daniel..and I was definitely on the 65 year bandwagon yet based on Polycarp?..said 14 years after Nero John to Patmos 84?..and I've been doing some research on my own and have you possibly also considered the Bar Kokhba revolt (they took him as the Messiah and I forget if it's Eusebius that wrote of him like an egotistical murderer thief kinda thing) and the Jews being banished under Hadrian, the land being burned by the Roman "scorched earth" military technique Israel changed to Palestine..statue of Jupiter on the Temple mount..only "the meek" remained...Etc?.. I STILL feel that your view is 100% correct..but maybe it could be both as (I'm still researching) the "was, is, will be" wordage and "two edged sword"..or could it be possible that Polycarp didn't REALLY know John as he could have just been an avid student of writing.. and the years being off because the Gregorian calendar 1500 and every 6 years back loses a year thing?..(boy I'm scattered, but I'm about to start work. Lol)..but you get the idea....thanks and sorry for the mess here..😉😁

[@rickmiller8893]

@@GoreBruce .. and MY WORDS..don't even give your work justice. There's just NOTHING like it.

[@GoreBruce]

@@rickmiller8893 Hey Rick, it seems to me the 135 a.d. revolt was something like the final proof for all history that the judgment of Jerusalem was complete. I wouldn't confuse it with the basic sense of the text which was focused on the then-existing Jerusalem with its temple and its Old Covenant ceremonies still in practice. Thanks again!

[@jongrant1215]

So that is where Waldo is

[@khalilkhalil1000]

The prophet spoken of was not to come from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, i.e. the Ishmaelites. Muhammad, a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed this prophet. Also, Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the servant of God, His “chosen one” and “messenger” who will bring down a law.

[@JB-kn2zh]

These lectures are great. One minor thing. Barbarrossa isn't a region in Northern Italy. It's Italian for "Red Beard" and it says on Wikipedia that it was the nickname he was given by the cities in Northern Italy.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for the feedback and the correction!

[@JB-kn2zh]

@@GoreBruce No problem. I realized other commenters already pointed this out after I wrote it.

[@NepticFathers]

Great lecture. It's interesting to know that after the Pope gave himself universal jurisdiction based upon forgeries that the entire thing started to unravel fairly quickly.

[@dcrunicycles]

thank you : )

[@henktwerda9694]

There is a Waldensian Church today in Italy.

[@kennethkirk4944]

In response to all of Marco's comments below, yeah, every once in a while I catch some minor detail said wrong. But I have a history degree, my professors were quite brilliant but they also occasionally made mistakes on details. The difference is, your lectures are "caught on tape" and theirs weren't. But I have learned a great deal from these lectures and I hope you won't let critics impede your teaching.

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for the encouraging words. I appreciate feedback, even when critical. Helps me try to 'keep on my toes' (which at my age is not so easy!).

[@TheModernHermeticist]

RIP Valdes

[@alonsomiguellozanoaumne5668]

Did the waldenses keep the Saturday sabbath ? Where can I find info ?

[@GoreBruce]

Best evidence is that the early Waldensians observed a Saturday Sabbath, but I'm not readily aware of resources on the point. The fact that the Waldensian movement was later widely embraced by the Protestant Reformers and vice versa suggests the practice was not central to their faith agenda. Others, and especially 7th Day Adventists, may dispute this, of course.

[@hillsrus4]

@GoreBruce I know this is older post but I’ve found a lot of conflicting data and wondered if you have thoughts on people like Claudius of Turin who lived somewhat in the same area as Waldo but possibly planted the seeds of similar dissent from RCC a few centuries earlier. I see that NW Italy/ Sw France area in general being identified as one that could be identified by many efforts to ‘return to scripture’ ,,,some more successful and ‘accurate’ than others.

[@marcopellegrini8752]

I am a student of the waldensian faculty in Rome working on his master degree. I enjoyed much listening a few of your lectures but since I heared Thomas acquinos been borned and having lived in Sicily and the waldensians having disappeared I am starting to question the entire authenticity of your other lectures and unfortunately if makes lose some interest on them diffently than how I felt when I discovered you

[@GoreBruce]

Yes, Thomas Aquinas lived in the Kingdom of Sicily, not the Island of Sicily. I did not make that point sufficiently clear in my presentation. I was also mistaken about the abiding presence of the Waldensians, which you will note was already the subject of an earlier critique. Thanks very much for your clarifying feedback, and blessings in your studies!

[@Supremor-tj9dv]

Wasn’t Frederick Barbarossa involved in the second crusade, not the third?

[@marcopellegrini8752]

Plus the waldensians once able to return to Italy by the Savoia Italian monarchy because having had diplomatic pressures from protestant gouverments like Holland and UK managed to preserve their identity in certain valleys in the Italian region of Piemonte close to France. Those valleys for many years were some kind of ghettos with always a romantic catholic church not to far from them build to keep an eye on them . For decades they survived receiving financial aid from. Dutch, English , German, Hungarian, Swiss and American churches and slowly acquired full legal rights as citizens that were than some how temporarily restricted during second war under Mussolini just like the Jewish and any other group not been Roman catholic and as a consequence not been considered by Mussolini the official Italian religion

[@somedude5951]

Great information Marco. Thank you for adding your knowledge to this video.

[@kingoziel]

Thanks for the closing words of exhortation, as exquisite but more sobering than always. Is there an email where I can write you at? (Promise to make it a small bullet points stuff)

[@GoreBruce]

[e-mail]

[@rukaslyricist]

I cannot find video 1 to 11 in this series can anybody help?

[@luisverdugo3179]

Brother Bruce,I forgot your personal teaching web-site,could you please clue me in? Gracias!

[@GoreBruce]

Luis - great to hear from you! The site is www.brucegore.com. de nada.

[@luisverdugo3179]

Thanks brother.I'm sad to report that my substance struggle still raging,so please don't forget to lift me up in your prayers,because I know for sure that your heavenly calls are always directed to the heart of the Savior! I wish that mines would it least make it past the ceiling!But no matter what,I will never stop asking for a miracle! Take care brother Bruce.

[@GoreBruce]

I have been praying for you regularly for months, my friend. I will not stop.

[@luisverdugo3179]

@@GoreBruce ,Thank you so very much!I have to admit that never did I care about my reckless behavior before,but since I committed my heart and life in the care of the Savior,things are not the same! I have this incredible fear to be found in my current state of affairs if the Lord will happen to come and find me in the mess that I am! I too pray with pools of tears for deliverance from this web of addiction,but it seems that my prayers no longer avail much any more.Nonetheless I continue to emulate the persistent widow of Luke 18 in hopes that one day soon my deliverance will come.Thanks again brother Bruce for your coveted prayers!May He continue to guide and lead you in everything you do!

[@Xenotypic]

@@luisverdugo3179 Hope things got better for you, I can relate to being there. God has really turned my life around for sure.

[@marcopellegrini8752]

Bruce thank you for your humility. Still please be careful not what you report. It would be a real pity your great material losing credibility. I will listen to more of your stuff and give my full attention to it

[@GoreBruce]

I am delighted to learn of this rich history, and especially of Calvin's active role in the Waldensian heritage. Thanks for your kind critique and correction. I very much prefer your detail to the more superficial summary provided in the sources on which I relied for this presentation.

[@rexadebayo3380]

Frederick Barbarossa is not from babrosa. Barbarossa means ''red beard'' which Frederick had a lot of. He was nicknamed ''Barbarossa'' because of his red beard. The teaching was marvelous, I ended the lecture a tad wiser. Thanks especially for the warning at the end of it. I would follow your lectures from now on. I need help with some research but I have a feeling this knowledge might already be at your finger tips. Please send me your email address so I can ask about them. Thank you.

[@marcopellegrini8752]

You mentioned about barbarossa been a northern Italian region. I am originally from norther Italy and I can tell you that is false. Such region does not exist in nother Italy. "Barbarossa city" (German:Barbarossastadt) is a nickname for fiveGerman cities that the Staufer EmperorFrederick Barbarossa stayed in or near for some time.

[@richardstokes3642]

Hi Pastor Gore. Were the Albigenses evangelical or gnostic? Are they synonymous with the Cathari?

[@GoreBruce]

The general consensus seems to be that they were a heretical, dualistic sect, related to, and possibly the same as, the Cathari. The following is a decent treatment of them in my opinion. Thanks!www.encyclopedia.com/philosophy-and-religion/other-religious-beliefs-and-general-terms/miscellaneous-religion/albigenses

[@M1rageTv]

Could you produce a link to the testimony of Cardinal Maps to the Pope regarding Waldensians. That would serve as a perfect account for a book Im writing

[@M1rageTv]

I would like to also add, aside from the existing Waldensian Churchs which were mentioned in Northern Italy, Piedmont region, there have been emigrations to South America where several Waldensian churches are located, most of the Southern Italy colonies were forced into bloody conversion, and any vestiges of the history are small historical museums that are aimed at maintaining the history, and known genealogy of the descendants. I am "of the blood" and currently inspired to help share the history and genealogy research I have turned up.

[@khalilkhalil1000]

First Epistle of the Apostle Paul to Timothy Chapter 2 Verses 1:5 HERE APOSTLE PAUL 100% CONFIRMS THAT GOD IS GOD AND HE IS THE SAVIOR AND JESUS CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR : I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people- 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus .

[@MrMillo-jw7mm]

Where can i get an extended source of information about the Waldensians?

[@GoreBruce]

You will find a decent introduction to Peter Waldo and the Waldensians in volume 5 of Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church. A much more thorough introduction may be found in this book: www.amazon.com/History-Waldenses-J-Wylie-ebook/dp/B0052U81M2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488241222&sr=8-1&keywords=peter+waldo Thanks!

[@MrMillo-jw7mm]

NO, thank you very much!

[@khalilkhalil1000]

Jesus Christ was called son of God as metaphor , because he doesn't have physical father , but to call Jesus Christ GOD that is Great Blasphemy ! Non of his Apostles called Jesus Christ a GOD even Apostle Paul didn't call Jesus Christ GOD ! What they were saying is : The GOD the Father and the son the Lord Jesus the Messiah ( Christ ) . The word Lord doesn't mean GOD !!! And in Hebrew language the word Lord has nothing to do with the meaning of the word GOD !!!

[@khalilkhalil1000]

It is very clear in the Acts of the Holy Apostles what the original followers of Jesus the Christs of the Israelites were believing . The important thing in the believe was to accept Jesus/Yeshuah as the real promised Christ/Messiah/Mashiah of the Israelites as real prophet as real Messiah ! So all Muslims the followers of the Prophet Muhammad accepted Jesus Christ as the Great Prophet and as the real Messiah of the Israelites ! All infusions in the pure teachings of Jesus Christ after the Nicean Council in 325 forced by the power of Emperor Constantine is nothing , but a total corruption of the teachings of Jesus Christs. So any Christian doctrine after the year 325 is 100% false !

[@khalilkhalil1000]

The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66-70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85-90, and John AD 90-110. Why these four Gospels were written so late ? Why the Disciples of Jesus Christ should write the Gospel in Greek language? Jesus Christ came first to the Israelites not to the Pagan Hellenic people ! So the Original Gospel must be in Aramaic or in Hebrew ! The Original Gospel should be written in 33 AD why these four Gospels were written so late and the belief of the Christians of all Christian doctrines are based on those four Gospels written in Greek language.

[@khalilkhalil1000]

Jesus Christ his real name in Hebrew is: YESHUAH MASHIACH ! ALLAH chose Jesus Christ for that what he did in this world before the physical universe was created the SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST WAS CREATED AND ALL SPIRITS WERE CREATED OUR HUMAN SPIRITS AS WELL BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO AT THE PLACE CALLED QALU BALA . IN ISLAM ONLY THIS IS VERY WELL EXPLAINED ! THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE WAS NOT CREATED YET ! ALLAH GAVE TO THE SPIRIT OF JESUS CHRIST THIS DUTY TO BE THAT IN THE FUTURE BILLIONS OF YEARS AHEAD ! THE WORD THE SON OF GOD IS A METAPHOR , BECAUSE JESUS CHRIST DOESN'T HAVE PHYSICAL FATHER ! ALLAH IS NOT A MEN NOT A WOMAN ALLAH DOESN'T NEED A GENDER ALLAH IS ABOVE THAT HIS ANGELS ARE ABOVE THAT ! THE GENDER IS NECESSARY ONLY FOR THE ANIMALS,HUMANS, JINNS , ETC. ! SO MUSLIMS REALIZING THIS THEY DON'T CALL JESUS CHRIST LITERALLY THE SON OF GOD/ALLAH , BECAUSE SUCH A BELIEF TO ACCEPT THIS LITERALLY IS A PAGAN BELIEF ! That's why Jesus Christ said : I AM BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS !

[@khalilkhalil1000]

First Epistle of the Apostle Paul to the Corinthians . Paul is very clear that Jesus Christ is not God , but a servant of God/Allah . Chapter 15 Verses 24:28 !!! 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

[@clplondon9445]

I am surprised you say that the Waldensians have disappeared. They are very much alive and organised in Italy (my country) and very strong in some admittedly small areas, notably the so called Waldensian Valleys of Piedmont. Some of them are rather well known nationally, in particular the historian Giorgio Spini, author of one of the main high school history textbooks, and his son, the Socialist politician Valdo Spini. BTW my best high school teacher was a Waldensian (I am Catholic).

[@GoreBruce]

CLP London Thanks very much! That is most interesting. Sorry for offering misinformation on the subject.

[@wendymitchell8245]

CLP Are they the same as the original Waldenses or a changed church in doctrine.

[@Benjamin-jo4rf]

​@@wendymitchell8245are the Methodist the same as when John Wesley started them? The Moravian s? The reformers follow karlsdadt?

[@wendymitchell8245]

@@Benjamin-jo4rf The Methodists have changed in my life time ,like the Anglicans and church of Scotland , they have embraced same sex marriage and split. I Iooked at their magazine and as expected found an article on why they do not believe in he inspiration of scripture. In other words they are taken over by unbelievers .

[@dominicmoorhouse5143]

Where are the Apostolic Christians today...? Which Christian movement is following the 10 Commandments closer than any other...? Which one alone worships Yahwey on His Sabbath as the 4th Commandment instructs, as did the Apostolic Christians...? The 7th Day Adventists... (and I write as an ex Roman Catholic, that was in the belly of the Beast for 60 years). The worst part...? The Jesuits have successfully infiltrated into ALL religions, not least of which the Protestant churches, or as Revelations describes them: the Image of the Beast...

[@gigahorse1475]

Ugh, I remember reading a children’s history book that painted the children’s crusade as a GOOD thing… yikes.

[@heritageresearchcenter8970]

These are strictly secularistic lectures