12 Things You Should Know About King Song S22 + New Firmware Range Test

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[@mamAsita1111]

Great info.. so it seems there is a lot more play room with this wheel for speed and range, I would’ve happy with a 45mph top speed and 40ml range. Thank you ✌️👊

[@GingerOnWheels]

It's got both of those! I'm 220lbs so if you weigh less you'll obviously hit the 40 mile mark on range. I got darn close. I've also done 44mph on this wheel. Sure, there are faster wheels, sure there are wheels with more range, but this wheel has a good mix of both and when you add the suspension into the equation it makes for a great well rounded product.

[@kirbyscovers]

Great video Ginger ... the KS throttle back at 50% was what turned me off from buying my first wheel from KS ... chose a Gotway Nik 100v and very happy ... have ridden it below 10% and still gave me 20mph ... hopefully with the changes and feedback, KS will bounce back with this wheel ... and that 20% dead battery kinda sucks ... but a guy like me with my weight at 170lb and avg cruise speed of 25mph should get 50-60 mile range ... that would work for me ... might be my next wheel down the road. Stay safe out there everyone.

[@eucaus]

Awesome info, great shoot. Thanks Ginger

[@StillRollin_Official]

Great video Ginger! Thank you for all the helpful information.

[@CharlesAlexanderJr]

Great synopsis! @4:33 I need that track in my life! I will listen to that beat over and over as I learn to ride my new/pre-owned euc. Very nice music throughout this whole video. I'm convinced on s22

[@TheDwilliams1000]

Hey there Ginger. Glad to see someone around my weight ride one of these. I can't wait to get my first wheel. Any tips or advice for a new rider who wants distance,speed,and durability?

[@bleeder228]

I've pre-ordered and I'm feeling nervous. I cannot afford to put this kind of money out and end up with a wheel that struggles to break 40 miles on a charge. I sure hope they send out chargers that bring the battery up to full voltage and I also hope they fix the firmware to allow the battery to go well below 20%. These 2 issues seem to be robbing this wheel of a solid 15 miles of range or more. There is no reason why a 2220 wh battery can't break 50 miles of range with reasonable riding. I have friends who are getting over 30 miles out of the 1110 wh batteries in the S18. Getting this wheel to 50 miles should not be an issue if the firmware and charger are set up correctly. If they don't fix this range issue, I cannot go through with the purchase.

[@russellzauner]

Whoever opensources their firmware first will crush this market because *everyone* will want to tune their wheels and for a window of time they'll be the only ones who actually make it happen. If I could buy an S20 dev kit with a fully unlocked, hardware supported unit by signing an NDA and paying an extra 250 USD, I'd do it in a heartbeat. They might want a service contract if you're going to call them a bunch but most firmware engineers watching this (you can't *not* be out there) would be able to at least hook up debug gear and submit some nice changes to the main repos; a lot of cleanup work can be done by people who really don't have to be that great but also really want to help improve their own rides and the rides of others. If we are exposed points to attach tools to, we can discover all the flaws as a community and *help* the companies provide us with better hardware and more individual use case tailored experience. They could offer bounties for upgraded integration chunks or even improved algorithms - increase awards based on improvements to performance and safety, et al. There are a lot of great things that can happen for companies that trust the community they have started and tried to grow out to scale themselves. If you open your code up to people, then your limit is suddenly the entire planet. ;-) "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" - Eric S Raymond, The Cathedral and The Bazaar

[@phamster18]

Dude enjoy the video very much the music the calm atmosphere the information about the fasteners coming loose curious did you have loctite on it or you actually just put lock tight on it after you found them loose meanwhile enjoy the ride and information you got definitely EUC world does not have the latest information you can not go 15 miles and it still be around 100% LOL keep it up bro

[@GingerOnWheels]

Glad you liked it! The bolts did have a small dab of loctite but they still came loose. Needed more. This was also a preproduction demo wheel so I imagine that will all be sorted when they start shipping out.

[@Greg_Davis]

Great work. Your video was the first I'd heard about the name change. I was looking at your thumbnail in quizzical wonder at how you messed up the name of the wheel. Glad your GF was able to help!

[@dlmiller7873]

This is the best range test video I've ever seen.

[@worlukk]

great video. i think i have the same boots - meryll super comfy and they breath well. i want one of these wheels !

[@GingerOnWheels]

Yeah they've sort of turned into my all weather boots if I expect to be hitting some puddles. Breathe well but are also splash resistant. Great for riding though puddles 🙂

[@haroldrushton6735]

Great video! Thanks for sharing!! 👍

[@GingerOnWheels]

If you liked this one then make sure to check out the full review I did for this wheel on the channel as well!

[@haroldrushton6735]

@@GingerOnWheels Will do! I've been trying to decide between the S22 and the Master for my next wheel. The S22 looks great in a lot of aspects, but I really want a 50 plus mile wheel with moderate city riding. It just doesn't look like the S22 is going to make that cut with the current battery specs.

[@imahappydaddy]

At 124V is not 100% battery... they will fix this? Or this is an 124V wheel not 126V? And at 20% battery, the wheel is unridable... WTF!? This is not normal!

[@YourAubsome]

What was the ambient temperature during the range test? Cold can have a huge impact on batteries, perhaps even more so on the S20 than other wheels due to the metal battery cases transferring cold directly to the cells.

[@GingerOnWheels]

About 70 degrees F for the first 3/4 of the ride. It dropped down to 55F really quickly though. I did notice range start to plummet when the sun went down.

[@YourAubsome]

@@GingerOnWheels 70* is ideal temp for batteries. 55* is not bad either, it shouldn't impact your range much at all

[@Pirate-dj9zm]

the kingsong s22 description says 200km range . will it be in the actual release?

[@jimmyc201220]

54 km 35 percent battery left, in S22 spec show 200 km?

[@michaeldavidson3349]

Maybe I missed it, but what was the fw version number during this range test? Was it 2.19? How does it compare to 2.17 with respect to initial accelleration and torque? Thanks!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Yes 2.19 firmware for wheel. 2.00 firmware for the bms. But in the 2 days since filming there is already bms firmware 2.02 and 2.03 😂. The initial acceleration feels about the same. It takes a lot of muscle to get it moving, rather cumbersome. The torque is available, but you really have to work to get it out. It's a fine line for heavier riders like me though because it can still be overpowered at low speed, especially on hills.

[@yanickgenest1324]

Having the same weight as you, that's why I put my preorder on the Master, with the 3500 W torque motor. It's about to be shipped from China in a couple of days. I should receive it here in Canada in a couple of weeks. Will you test this wheel ?

[@GingerOnWheels]

I would love to. The Master looks amazing. Unfortunately no one has offered a demo for testing, yet.

[@supakat1835]

Just watched your video. Typically uber & lift drivers sometimes have an extra mask. Message them if they accept the ride & ask before they arrive. Sometimes they do.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Good to know for future reference! Lucky I have my amazing girlfriend just in case💕

[@patrickrobert9001]

Nice! What was your starting and final voltage on the wheel? And at what voltage did it start beeping to slow you down?

[@GingerOnWheels]

Ahhh, I forgot the check the ending voltage, I was so worried about getting home. But starting voltage was 124, thats as high as my stock charger can get the wheel (even though the charger says 126v output)

[@patrickrobert9001]

@@GingerOnWheels Starting at 124V like with other reviewers. Seems the chargers are not properly calibrated. Very curious to find out if it goes down to 3.0V per cell like other KingSongs. I always used the "custom" battery percentage calculation in EUC World. That lets you set the minimum and maximum voltage, and that's what it uses. On my S18 for instance, it goes from 84V (100%) down to 60V (0%). More linear than the default algorithm.

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@patrickrobert9001 for whatever reason, EUC world did not work with this wheel on this firmware. Battery percent reading stayed at 100% and none of the features like turning lights on worked. My guess is EUC world needs to catch up with King Song. I could've checked in soft tuner. Next time I run the battery all the way down I'll come back here and comment the ending voltage.

[@DeathToCockroaches]

WTH is going on with the battery, 21% and it's dead? This needs to be addressed from ks

[@scottsum1319]

Honestly I think Euc.W is having some batt monitoring issues. I just my RSt & on my 1st ride, the batt % went down so quick I was freakin abit thinking I got a dud. Euc.W showed 26% batt after 30kms. I think checked it with the Begode app & its showed 60%. So I say use wheellog for now. OTOH range on S22 is just ok. I think I can do similar on my RSt ave 18-20mph.

[@curtflirt2]

Hmmm?? Or maybe change the wheel

[@claudioagmfilho]

🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, What an awesome review!

[@vitam1ne51]

a torque and acceleration test would have been great as a complement.

[@GingerOnWheels]

That would make a good video. Comparing it to a real torque wheel like the RS.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

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[@icebreaka1969]

when this Kingsong S22 will be on the market? I am interested to get one.

[@GingerOnWheels]

Check the link in the description!

[@wheelydope]

With the proper charger this seems like it would get decent range. I can imagine the cells aren’t balancing either if it never charges to max capacity, right?

[@GingerOnWheels]

Hmmm. Yeah thats very possible. Now part of me wonders if that's what happened to the s20 in nyc...

[@wheelydope]

@@GingerOnWheels could be!

[@darkstar4494]

What makes you think the charger was not proper? I don’t understand.

[@wheelydope]

@@darkstar4494 it’s been said by almost all distributors that the charger was not getting the packs to 126v.

[@darkstar4494]

@@wheelydope I see thanks

[@thefoss721]

Sometimes the max speed isn’t accurate on the map app, said right when you stated you were doing 46mph, that seems a lil bit more then the wheel can handle lol Great review thanks! Hope those breaking and battery situations don’t end up in a ball of flames lol

[@GingerOnWheels]

I clocked myself at 47mph on this wheel max speed for the full review. You're right though, the 46 during this ride was definitely some sort of glitch. I never trust Relive for speed stats. I use my Draggy or DigiHUD.

[@thefoss721]

@@GingerOnWheels you said it clocked you at 47mph? So how fast do you think you went tops? 30 something?

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@thefoss721 no, the wheel goes 47mph with a 220lb rider. Confirmed. But I just meant during this Relive trip from this video, my guess is 35 max, downhill. The 46mph it showed on the end map was a glitch.

[@thefoss721]

@@GingerOnWheels confirmed 47 mph? No way I thought the max was 43 or something , I know the free spin is 105km/h or something but doesn’t king song cap the speed to 43.5? Or whatever it says it does? I have a Eagle headed from China currently so just trying to figure out what it will do safely I weigh 190

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@thefoss721 47. It starts beeping at 43-44 with me on it. There is probably a 30% overhead. I bet it would go faster.

[@yvonwheel4943]

Love to see you pass bicyclists, show them who's in charge! Being 160 lbs., I expect at lesst 100 miles!

[@GingerOnWheels]

Maybe 60 miles 🤔

[@michaelbuhl7547]

Curious to know, I'm a lighter guy (120lbs) and can get 45miles out of the s18 cruising around 20mph. I'd imagine I'd be able to get at least 60miles out of the s20

[@GingerOnWheels]

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Especially if it were warmer out. It got cold near the end of this video and it ate right through my remaining battery. Also, despite what the apps said, most of the miles I did on this range test were 25-30mph.

[@yanickgenest1324]

EUCs are one of the rare reasons I can be jealous of light guys. 😀 Jokes aside, at 120 lbs, I bet you're gonna have a blast on a wheel like that !

[@MonkeyUK.]

Need to put that on the scooter bro

[@UStride]

Great range test

[@GingerOnWheels]

Thanks! I had fun. Up until the end that is! 😅

[@Argo-F-Ur-Sef]

So why did you say this had terrible torque for off road? I thought other reviews indicated this was a great off road wheel and I’ve seen some Awsome off road riding videos on it.

[@GingerOnWheels]

I should have been more clear. I was speaking for heavy guys (im 220lbs) on steep offroad sections. This wheel can beast offroad, but around here its hard to find a trail that doesn't have at least one steep section on it. If you are in a technical pinch and need to torque out of it, or for whatever reason you need to start on a hill then it becomes.... challenging. fb.watch/cg0ZXCBPAR/

[@Argo-F-Ur-Sef]

@@GingerOnWheels that kinda sucks as I’m about 210 with gear and in Idaho I have lots of off road hills. It’s why I wanted this wheel.

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@Argo-F-Ur-Sef are they steep hills? Do you plan on starting from a stop on those hills? Chances are you'll make it up if you know they are coming and can get some momentum into them. The suspension on this wheel makes it pretty easy to maintain speed off-road.

[@Argo-F-Ur-Sef]

@@GingerOnWheels it’s the mountains so they are some steep ones or if you come off, you might have to restart. I didn’t really want to have to worry about it. My MSP handles all of them well

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@Argo-F-Ur-Sef fair enough. Might be worth it for you to wait for the Master. Hopefully that will have the torque we need for extreme suspension off-roading.

[@eogreensticks]

When you brake, the kinetic energy is converted into electrical energy which has to be stored in the batteries. If the batteries are full, there is nowhere for the energy to go, so you are forced to dismount; and guess what? Your battery is full.

[@CrunchyTire]

When I was scrolling the youtube homepage this video showed up, and it said "3 years ago" and "1.7M Views"... XD. But after I clicked on it it shows April 8th 2022 and 6.5k views. Weird.

[@GingerOnWheels]

That is odd... but I'm not complaining 😅

[@mikelove6842]

Turn around at half of battery

[@grant2205]

I am buying segway gt2 scooter VS S20

[@eBoard3R]

⚡👏🏼👏🏼⚡

[@drbytes68]

Such a shame that range isn't quite there

[@Simplicitywins]

Why am I seeing so many people call the S20 the S22 all the sudden? Is it because it's coming out this year, or did we just slide into another dimension, & I'm the only one to remember the dimension we came from? J/K LoL! Seriously though, thanks for the content!

[@GingerOnWheels]

King Song implemented firmware changes, as well as the hardware changes mentioned in this video, then changed the name from S20 to S22. When you turn the wheel on the display flashes "S22" and everything. It's been a wild ride with this wheel.

[@Simplicitywins]

@@GingerOnWheels That makes some sense, but improvements are part of the testing & pre-production stage. At least we'll never forget when it came out. lol Thanks for such a clear & concise answer. You're awesome!

[@MONOVIBEs2KX]

KingSong: "*Range test conditions: under full power, 60kg load, ambient temperature of 25℃, measured at a speed of 20km/h on a flat hardened road at a constant speed" ..... I'll be 170lbs(with gear) avg 40km/hr (25mph) on smooth/gravel roads.... hoping to get 80km (50miles). If I can't get this I'll be calling my own Uber.....

[@mikelove6842]

Turn around at 50 percent

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Don't you need a license, plates, and insurance to go faster than 40 km/h??? Since ebikes are only allowed max speed of 40 km/h???

[@GingerOnWheels]

Nope. It's still a legal grey area where I live. Don't ride like a crazy man and you're fine.

[@Papalou1234]

so 126v advertise ...124v real👎🏻 and worse is the euc stop riding at 20% dissapointing...they really have to fix this... its ridiculous. ride any gotway down to 1% i take uber when i break my rim never because i run out of battery😵

[@bartekstepien278]

The demo chargers dont charge to 100% -_-

[@GingerOnWheels]

But do the production level chargers differ?...

[@WeAreChoasIncarnate]

The entire point of these early release test models was to findout the issues from reviewers and fix them. Kingsong communicates really well with the community on their KZbin.

[@jamessparks2347]

Can't believe its only 40 mile range

[@GingerOnWheels]

For a 220lb rider I'd say thats pretty good. My RS only has 25-30 miles with an 1800wh battery. S20 uses 55wh per mile and the RS uses 72wh per mile. Considering the wheel weighs more, goes faster, and has suspension, it seems pretty on point.

[@XZIL_R8ED]

Battery percentage in the app is always wrong, it's the voltage that matters. But damn dude only 35mile range? Looks like I was right about the s22, its an overhyped, underpowered wheel in comparison to other better wheels

[@GingerOnWheels]

39* , and I'm a heavy guy. With 180lb rider going 20mph I could see 50 miles easily.

[@XZIL_R8ED]

@@GingerOnWheels even still, 50 mile range is low based on other wheels also on the market. Plus I thought they were boasting speeds over 40mph, but that's not what were seeing here

[@SolarizeYourLife]

I get the same distance on 18xl smaller wheel and battery.... Sorry this sucks...and $1200 less...

[@GingerOnWheels]

There were portions of my cruising speed during this video that were faster than an 18XL can even go. 🤷‍♂️

[@curtflirt2]

Damn, everything wrong with that wheel lol

[@GingerOnWheels]

It's mostly just on the software side. Functionally speaking the wheel does great. Hopefully they have all the hiccups taken care of on the production level batch.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Doh, how about a better display, too, not an idiot light, and turn the back handle upsidedown or the right way.... 😆 Soo disappointing... A 40 mi wheel...

[@GingerOnWheels]

Small issues, none of that matters when you're cruising around carving it up on the wheel at 35mph. 😀

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Compared to s18 at $1000 less and half the battery pack, it sucks....

[@cgasucks]

Why can't wear your helmet instead of wearing your mask?

[@GingerOnWheels]

I'm not in charge of these things 🤷‍♂️

[@DeathToCockroaches]

Shibby isn't 140lbs and goes off road

[@GingerOnWheels]

It's all about finesse. This wheel can offroad most areas just fine. But if you find yourself needing to torque your way out of a technical situation or on a hill, it's not as easy as other wheels. Around here there are lots of steep rutted areas. Msp, rs, and shermax can all do this hill with ease. fb.watch/cg0ZXCBPAR/

[@DeathToCockroaches]

@@GingerOnWheels Is it at least the same as the 16x?

[@GingerOnWheels]

@@DeathToCockroaches oh yeah definitely.

[@DeathToCockroaches]

@@GingerOnWheels thought 16x was great according to wrong way tests? But I've never have been a more powerful wheel than the 16x it has never failed me while hill climbing 😅

[@Birahits]

Hard pass on this wheel after this video

[@GingerOnWheels]

What was the deciding factor(s) for you?

[@zd1322]

Hey man, I've already gone 8.4 km on my s22 and the 20 km/h speed limit is still in force. How do I unlock the full wheel speed??

[@GingerOnWheels]

You have to have your app signed into your Inmotion account and then do 20km.