We must change scoring to include originality in all events. I really miss it and it makes the sport more exciting.
@greenvortex75 ай бұрын
Esp the balancing skills on the beam which are all but non existent now
@Robespierre-lI4 ай бұрын
Or at least find a way to reward these skills - and also reward inventing new skills or combinations of skills. This video explains why gymnastics has become much more boring to watch as a supervisor sport.
@Katrielible4 ай бұрын
@@greenvortex7this! Watching the more masculine gymnasts of today is not near as awe inspiring as it was in the older days. 😢
@calvinaqua6 ай бұрын
Comaneci is not Soviet, she is a Romanian
@gymnasticsmasterclass6 ай бұрын
Omg I’m gonna put my clown nose on 🤡 I apologise about that! Thank you so much
@darklight10306 ай бұрын
Ya that was a very surprising error! You're content is 99.9 percent accurate! @@gymnasticsmasterclass
@reneepeters30456 ай бұрын
lol. ROM even comes up on the screen when Nadia is shown. We’ll forgive you. I really like your content 🤸
@gymnasticsmasterclass6 ай бұрын
Thank you 😭😭
@gymnasticsmasterclass6 ай бұрын
No excuses 😭 I kinda felt bad because Nadia is a legend & deserves all the respect! I should’ve known better
@misstekhead6 ай бұрын
As a former gymnast, I absolutely loved doing flyaway skills off bars. I thought they were so pretty and really worked with my coaches to learn the timing to be able to get the twist all the way around. 1990s gymnastics allowed for a lot more variety. What happened? Also, compulsories really should make a comeback. Some of these gymnasts have the sloppiest basics that it looks unsafe.
@annettewilcox54135 ай бұрын
Same thing has happened in figure skating with elimination of compulsory figures. Not having everyone train a wide variety of skills raises the level and variety of programs. Without compulsorirs everyone moves to the lowest common denominator. Think what would happen if ballet didn’t have the barre training as fundamental.
@misstekhead5 ай бұрын
@@annettewilcox5413 I like that comparison to ballet and barre training. The fundamentals are, well…fundamental.
@HollyKEvans4 ай бұрын
You see this in a lot of sports unfortunately. I coach allstar elite cheerleading and both athletes and parents (and sometimes coaches!) are so fixating on being placed on a higher level that they push to just “get” tumbling or stunt skills, without really mastering the prerequisite skills/body positions/techniques. Once that happens at low level and the athlete has progressed on several levels, it’s extremely hard to go back and back the bad habits and reteach the fundamentals. I’m really surprised to hear that gymnastics wouldn’t require a certain skill set mastery at each level though. I’m a lover of perfect technique and body position/shapes.. when it comes down to it technique wins championships in my sport and I assume with gymnastics it probably comes down to technique often as well. I’ve seen first and second be separated by a -0.05 deduction many times. Obviously that wasn’t the case at the 2024 Olympics since USA was 5pts ahead of the competition, but I doubt that’s the case every time.
@misstekhead4 ай бұрын
@@HollyKEvans At the 2024 Olympics, trust me when I say I saw plenty of form deductions which is why even the best gymnasts didn’t make it into the 15 range. As far as cheerleading I know exactly what you mean! I’ve watched training where shortcuts are taken to have the cheerleader learn a skill ASAP which is incredibly dangerous. No one has patience anymore. Parents are paying lots of money and they want instant results not realizing the more likely potential for injuries. 😔
@primalcritters4 ай бұрын
@@misstekheadI agree. The artistry has also died
@wheresbaby77836 ай бұрын
The strong ..one and half twist between the bars was gorgeous
@queenofnevers6990Ай бұрын
Absolutely!
@gothgirl4evr8815 ай бұрын
Uneven bars used to be so fluid and beautiful, but like the narrator said it has become an event where there's very little distinction between athletes since they all perform the same handful of skills. I miss the days of when the bars were set closer together and the routines transitioned from low to high and high to low throughout the entire routine now it has gotten to where it is more like the men's high bar. Women's gymnastics overall has changed entirely in the past couple decades. Where it used to be about grace, flexibility, individual creativity in dance skills as well as tumbling and has shifted its focus to power, strength, and how many difficult skills can they combine together, not that the skills that are being performed aren't insanely impressive bc they are, it's just there's very little individuality anymore Also how can a gymnastic channel say that Nadia was Soviet?
@alexkoronec43264 ай бұрын
Some one didn't do there research 😢
@gothgirl4evr8814 ай бұрын
@@alexkoronec4326 what did I say that needed to researched?
@tomeekun6 ай бұрын
Ian Gunther fans after recognising the Kim: 👁👄👁
@WeAreCoraTV6 ай бұрын
@tomeekun OMG HAHAHA
@TaylortheBarbie136 ай бұрын
Yep 😂
@matshitseamantle6 ай бұрын
Yeah..🤣
@GG-ti5dd5 ай бұрын
Quite literally my reaction.😂
@GizelleQuant5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@sunshinemuldoon6 ай бұрын
We're getting more acrobatic beam mounts again...maybe we'll get lucky and the new code will up the D-Value or add a bonus for acrobatic bars mounts. I would LOVE to see more of them. 😍
@sallydaniel10236 ай бұрын
Gymnastics has become dull 😑 All routines look the same
@findingthatperfectspot46926 ай бұрын
Yep. The overwhelming feeling I had watching this video was, 'God, I miss the 1980s.'
@kris787876 ай бұрын
@@findingthatperfectspot4692 70s/80s/90s best years for women gymnastics
@greenvortex75 ай бұрын
If we look at other countries even such as Brazil they are doing really incredible things. I even saw a gymnast from Jamaica I forget her name and thought there are gymnasts out there still pushing to have some creativity. Even I forget her name a leading Chinese gymnast does not have that Wolf Turn on the beam in her routine that almost everyone does at least American gymnasts do
@misguidedkpopper86744 ай бұрын
Mens gymnastics is not as boring as women's these days. Women simply have no variety whatsoever anymore.
@findingthatperfectspot46926 ай бұрын
I wonder how often Mo Huilan and Yao Jinnan hit their shins on the high bar while training the Mo salto. They were awfully close to the bar.
@shieldmaidenforchrist13106 ай бұрын
I also wonder how many shoulder tears occurred in others who tried to learn this. That is a crazy amount of force with the arm rotated like that.
@heidibarrett64004 ай бұрын
9:39 The Mo salto and the Mangana dismount are both beautiful and exhilarating to watch. Apologies to all the Spanish speakers. I can't figure out how to make the tilda over the n with my keyboard.
@alleykeosheyan47796 ай бұрын
The Strong & the Ma both look insane!
@carissagreen95956 ай бұрын
The Strong is so cool!
@karenryckman10276 ай бұрын
The Strong was so difficult that Lori stopped doing it, but had to relearn it to get her scholarship to Georgia
@gotahgemini64154 ай бұрын
These skills are out of the world. I'm pretty sure modern gymnasts could do amazing skills like these if they had an incentive, sadly that is taken away by the score system :(
@plp6666 ай бұрын
A lot of these should be upgraded. Triple twist off the bars is incredibly challenging, can’t believe its only an E, and the Mangana being only G is criminal.
@jessicanolen85115 ай бұрын
That's the old "not wanting to encourage them to do dangerous skills with a high rating" trick with the Mangana. Either it's too dangerous, and don't allow it, or allow it and rate it appropriately.
@meow_meowswing4 ай бұрын
LOL and they actually downgraded Liu Xuan's one-arm giant to a C and the release similarly, "to discourage gymnasts from doing dangerous skills."
@d3n1s3236 ай бұрын
We desperately need more variety in dismounts, that's for sure, which is why the ma and triple twist caught my eye 😮
@chiberjuberdourado24876 ай бұрын
The fans want more unique elements in all routines and yet FIG refuses to listen. That’s a shame.
@meow_meowswing4 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the FIG is more and more full of poop now. And the gymnasts who still have the ghost of the old classic styles were penalized heavily.
@iloveprivacy81674 ай бұрын
@@meow_meowswingand didn't they prove it again with Chiles! Video showing the appeal WAS submitted on time, & the Prez of the panel has done legal work for the Romanians, but nope: no more appeals?? OMG: they're really wearing that 🍑🕳️ on their sleeve..
@ALu-nq8rf6 ай бұрын
The Strong looks beautiful in-flight, but all the releases had bent knees, flexed feet. I can see why it's not popular anymore
@3Axel19966 ай бұрын
It could look differently today as the bars back In the late 80s were still quite close to each other.
@white_peony236 ай бұрын
I was training the front sommersault to high bar mount 30 years ago - very hard not to dead hang afterwards & to get the right catch angle
@beansprout_apg8865 ай бұрын
That The Ma dismount is crazy beautiful ❤❤❤
@AshworthMild6 ай бұрын
I like the Counter Kim. Counter Kim to bail to inbar would be insane but doable.
@Dark0blivion5 ай бұрын
Vaulting is where there needs to be signifcant injection of originality, especially in WAG. When you watch a meet it feels like you're seeing the same four faults (Yurchenko 1.5, 2, & 2.5) and the Cheng vault. There needs to be incentives to train handspring & tsukahara entries.
@carish14526 ай бұрын
We need more Shushunova but FIG won’t let beautifully risky skills happen 😢
@lesliem45836 ай бұрын
I bet Simone and a few other gymnasts could do the triple back bar dismount.
@Upstaged076 ай бұрын
Pretty much all gymnastics now are boring and everyone does the same thing. But aren't the bars farther apart now too? Some of those skills just aren't possible anymore.
@TaylortheBarbie136 ай бұрын
Yes they used to be the p bars just in different heights
@victoriazamora11796 ай бұрын
🥱I agree 👍🏽
@griseldavargas50166 ай бұрын
🤔 Así es ya están bien separadas las rutinas se parecen a la de los hombres pues solo utilizan la barra alta, desde la ciudad del rey poeta Saludos
@KatieLHall-fy1hw5 ай бұрын
Do the bars HAVE to be set that far? Or are they just set that way to allow for the current routines?
@rawritssami4 ай бұрын
@@KatieLHall-fy1hwI believe it was done for several reasons but largely injury. Bars being close allowed many moved with pelvis thrusting on bars which led to numerous issues.
@ikkeisikke5 ай бұрын
I hope the next code of points has more incentives or possibilities for originality and bonus or requirements for mounts. It's almost boring watching gymnastics now.
@amilcarmartinez27256 ай бұрын
A lot of them need a BIG update. It's insane that a triple twist is only an E tbh
@jeannehall65464 ай бұрын
I would like to see the Ma returned (After China’s 🇨🇳 Ma Yanhong). It would be a nice variation from the standard dismounts currently used.
@kristannestone17483 ай бұрын
The Ma and the Shushunova are gorgeous.
@whatchahowsya86886 ай бұрын
The Magaña looks terrifying.
@oldglamour6 ай бұрын
Does anyone perform the Gebeshian mount? I've always loved that one.
@jorgesteingruber6616 ай бұрын
The Delladio transition is no longer a legal skill because it doesn't appear in the table of elements. Skills aren't legal unless they appear in the ToE (or have been submitted for recognition as a new element), so even though it's listed in the appendix of named elements, it's not actually allowed in competition. The FIG didn't like it and have deemed it "uncharacteristic", which is why it was removed from the ToE. However, because the FIG are incredibly erratic with their decision-making, they've allowed the Delladio dismount to stay, which features the same sort of take-off from handstand into a front tuck. It's incredibly inconsistent, but such is the FIG.
@Solitaire_Guy6 ай бұрын
Only Ma can do the Ma
@susanfisher6066 ай бұрын
I like the Strong, the Ma, and the Mo.
@Херувим-ы4г4 ай бұрын
Very interesting!! Thank you
@findingthatperfectspot46926 ай бұрын
'Former Soviet gymnast Nadia Comaneci.' Ouch.
@carissagreen95956 ай бұрын
I would think catching a release in reverse grip would be murder on the wrists.
@raesayblahzayblahzay4 ай бұрын
The Kim.The Strong, and The Ma. Absolutely breathtaking; Literally, I find myself holding my breath, LoL! An all around 🧨 of skills!
@GymnasticVisions6 ай бұрын
I really love Triple Twist Dismount❤️❤️❤️❤️ it’s so WAG i think👍🏻
@twebster94986 ай бұрын
Noone can make that Shushunova release look good.
@dionnest6 ай бұрын
I'm glad that one is gone.
@sheilaizvernari74 ай бұрын
@4:00 Nadia is not a former Soviet gymnast, she is Romanian, need to correct.
@gabrielfreitas12636 ай бұрын
There's a dismount called the Maksiuta(named after Valeria Maksiuta from Israel) which is a double front 1/1 in tucked position
@heidibarrett64004 ай бұрын
😮
@liltacodaddy40026 ай бұрын
how many damn times do we need to say the code of points and the old guard need a revamp? its getting stale at this point
@marinomusico57684 ай бұрын
These videos are perfect! Awesome content! ❤
@wasumoto4576 ай бұрын
If I were still competing I’d make compositions that yes may not have the “usual compositions” or higher scores but are soaked with unique skills and elements we haven’t seen in ages to stand out amongst the more predictable routines
@lisaswrld4 ай бұрын
While I love the girlies today…these old school gymnasts were absolutely amazing! Their skill and artistry are unrivaled.
@saraquill6 ай бұрын
I'm surprised no one is at least trying to get the front tucked mount or triple twisting dismount named after them.
@gymnasticsmasterclass6 ай бұрын
They’re already in the Code, so they can’t be submitted again
@TaylortheBarbie136 ай бұрын
Ian Gunther is performing a piked version of the Kim!
@3Axel19966 ай бұрын
In Men's, it's called a Marinich.
@mygirldarby6 ай бұрын
@3Axel1996 how can that be? Ian said he invented it and is calling it the Gunther. kzbin.infockok32D-DFU?si=jelRqBfoEu7dOAzw
@meow_meowswing4 ай бұрын
tbh quite a number of WAG UB release moves are "imported" from MAG's high bar release moves.
@mauriciohuaman96886 ай бұрын
The strong is so pleasant to watch
@stvp686 ай бұрын
Anyone else nervous watching Delladio with the springboard still there?
@janetmiller29806 ай бұрын
I'm no longer fond of women's gymnastics. The scoring system is more difficult to understand, and the routines have lost their creativity.
@cecilianovais2126 ай бұрын
The strong is really cool. I really apreciate the swings. Shame on you, FIG!
@KatieLHall-fy1hw5 ай бұрын
The Zgoba is LOVELY!!!
@leilanigirl7774 ай бұрын
The shusunova is my favorite skill I’d like to see in modern gymnastics
@haleyfutch23563 ай бұрын
Simone Biles could totally pull off the Mangana. I guess the Korbut flip didn't make the list because it's banned? It's so cool though
@kateyelkovan3 ай бұрын
Who is the gymnast at 0:19
@rin-eri6 ай бұрын
Strong/Mo/Ma
@wsudance856 ай бұрын
I miss the Burda twirl 😢
@missmoxie91886 ай бұрын
The Ma is basically a Mukhina Hecht from the high bar with a full twist
@3Axel19966 ай бұрын
That's how new moves are created but just adding an extra element to an existing move.
@kris787876 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually just took the lower bar away and just had a single bar like in mens gymnastics
@mrparts6 ай бұрын
😂😂 soviet Comaneci. Id like to see that timeline in the multiverse
@francisnguyen63496 ай бұрын
Nadia is an excellent work on Uneven Bars routine.
@lizbyu4 ай бұрын
I was thinking that the bars weren't as fun to watch as it used to be. Everyone looks the same
@kscript285 ай бұрын
Famous Korbut Loop is missing...
@nathaliediaz29716 ай бұрын
J ADORE C EST SUPERBE MERCI BEAUCOUP A +
@ayesan96 ай бұрын
"The magaña" luce demasiado brusco y doloroso al caer, eso supongo que es el motivo por el cual no lo hacen. El resto son realmente fantásticos, veloces y sotisficados (y claro, con una dificultad alta en relación a los pocos puntajes que le asignaron a cada uno; una lástima).
@valerielevasseur86746 ай бұрын
I take your point that no one does these skills at present, but does this really show change over time in within-code diversity? The examples you show - and they're magnificent and I love the video - range from the 1970s to the mid/late 2000s. Of course we'll see more diversity across that many codes than we do in 2024! They didn't do 2024 skills in 1988, either. Then again, that doesn't make the statement false. It's just that we need a sensible point of comparison.
@GizelleQuant5 ай бұрын
I wish that unusual moves recieved more points when stringed together in a routine.
@SweetSirenia22 күн бұрын
Honorary mention to the Gebeshian mount! I LOVE it and wish so badly it could become a thing, but, you know, COP/FIG.
@Equinistah4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, I can not even perform the maneuver of getting out of bed each day....... ;-;
@liltacodaddy40026 ай бұрын
Imagine if Shilese worked the Ma dismount into her current routine
@cynthiaribeiro4085 ай бұрын
Uneven bars harder mounts should recieve at least extra 0.2 bonus to encourage it!!!!
@Vasilysa-y6b5 ай бұрын
0.4
@D.S.handle4 ай бұрын
The Zgoba looks insane.
@janetmiller29806 ай бұрын
These moves no longer performed are beautiful ❤️
@HollyKEvans4 ай бұрын
The Strong, the Ma, the Mo Salto, and the triple twist dismount are all incredibly beautiful skills in my opinion… I think it’s sad we don’t see them more! Creativity and invention of new skills seems to be too big of risk for modern gymnasts to take; I assume because of scoring concerns. That sucks.. I think it takes a bit of the artistry from the sport.
@janetmiller29806 ай бұрын
I don't know that I have one favorite. They're all creative, although I am in awe of Magana and triple twists.
@April77394 ай бұрын
Love how unique these all are!
@7elegrama4 ай бұрын
Please, correct and re-upload the video. That error on Comaneci's nationality is not acceptable.
@ria-zul-zannah71005 ай бұрын
0:18 What's the name of the gymnast?
@3Axel19966 ай бұрын
Lori Strong performed her signature move out of a straddled Jaeger. There are ways to be able to incorporate the Strong in combination with 1 to 3 other moves,
@aganeko22 күн бұрын
The strong skill is BEAUTIFUL
@violetscreaming4 ай бұрын
They need to give out points for unique routines that aren’t just about a bunch of high point skills Frankenstein together. Some of these moves such as the strong look so agile.
@beadybaby6 ай бұрын
The Ma is delightful!
@kimwaddell42185 ай бұрын
Mao Salto And The Strong both totally cool
@davidcrawley94794 ай бұрын
The kim - you watch it and say "WTF - What just happened" then you watch it again (in slo mo) and say the same thing.
@SabrinaVoineaSStolenMedal6 ай бұрын
What is that skill Shannon Miller did in your intro worth today?
@tadg20036 ай бұрын
D
@SabrinaVoineaSStolenMedal6 ай бұрын
@@tadg2003 Thank you TadG
@whisperecho78155 ай бұрын
I feel like a good bar worker could probably figure out a way to make the Strong work for a modern routine. Connecting OUT of it is hard, but you might be able to connect INTO it. For the record, an E+E combination is a 0.2 difficulty bonus, so if a gymnast had the power to do, say, piked Tkatchev+Strong, that's modern-routine value with a unique-skill twist.
@suzettehenderson92786 ай бұрын
Are any of these performed in NCAA?
@heatherhafer33334 ай бұрын
I like the Mo Salto
@passionsydney6 ай бұрын
the COP could experiment with a "Compositional Originality" bonus - you're doing a technique that 90% of other gymnasts aren't doing? Have a bonus 0.2 for it woot woot. Anything to break the cookie cut paradigm we currently 'enjoy'
@KarenWoolstrum4 ай бұрын
Please explain the letter ratings??!
@rrb2nd5 ай бұрын
The code of points really needs a relook
@irondasgr2 ай бұрын
Since the introduction of the new scoring system, it's all become a sterile mathematical equation. There should obviously be a THIRD scoring number which would be Originality/Novelty/Artistic Impression for all apparatuses.
@GodivaPraline5 ай бұрын
The uneven bars are higher now than back in the 90s,80s and past years
@aubsarg02224 ай бұрын
The strong is unbelievable these judges and rules shouldn’t exist bc it’s ruining the sport especially bc gymnastics is an art
@unalienablejustice71374 ай бұрын
They're not being used nowadays because they look difficult as heck especially the high bar releases and grabs.
@aeh51094 ай бұрын
For me the bars nowadays are the least exciting to watch. They were my favorite back then
@tomasduarte66336 ай бұрын
Also would've liked to see the alt here
@EdGringo786 ай бұрын
Shushunova is my fave on this list.
@teagenthetiefling52964 ай бұрын
The Ma is very cool
@KaliadderExperiments4 ай бұрын
Wait…. No Retton flip??? I thought for sure that would make this list!
@notnek2025 ай бұрын
Originality should be a consideration of the judges when scoring a routine.