127. Casey Zander - The Michael Sartain Podcast

[@CaseyZander]

Thanks for having me on the show!

[@Sighthound-Siege]

Great conversation, Casey! 👊🔥🤝💪

[@jvanbrill15]

Been waiting on the link for a while, you guys are top 2 in the space

[@expandingedge7562]

Epic good podcast boys. Glory to God

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

You gotta do better justice with the cameras for Casey! Casey, go do more interviews. They’ll turn out better and better!

[@TimMarttala]

You shoulda announced a viewer meetup while here in Vegas, “Uncle C”! (Although, I understand, first priority is biz (like this interview), 2nd was “OJT” with your buds, and 3rd woulda been meetup with members. 4th or further down the list woulda been a “viewer” meetup.)

[@Darrell7777]

Due to an insane work ethic and exceptional discipline, this guy is only 28, and he already has female nature thoroughly figured out. That is REALLY impressive.

[@alangwhiteTheBoss]

He doesn’t tho. He just making shit up. He sights no studies or show that he even gets a lot of chicks

[@cartig9051]

@@alangwhiteTheBossI’m sure he does alright with the ladies but even if he doesn’t, look at the best coaches in the NFL. Bill Bellichick could barely play Division III but don’t tell me he doesn’t know football

[@Xthecrowx1122]

@@alangwhiteTheBosshe was the source of the study. Do you expect to find it from Harvard or Time magazine ?

[@brianmeen2158]

I agree with Casey on quite a bit but if you as a guy goes into pick up and dating with the mindset that he tells you to have - you are going to burn out very quickly.. he is 28 so I give him a few more years before he gets just tired of hooking up. Problem is, he’s too red pilled and will probably struggle maintaining a relationship .. you cannot maintain a healthy long term relationship when You are as red pilled as him

[@cuzztrent6400]

Casey is not​ red pilled@@brianmeen2158

[@oomeshramrekha2595]

I have big respect for Casey! Thanks for interviewing him Michael

[@danielprada6153]

Zanders is the best online at this , and its not even close

[@renegadezen7841]

He is. He definitely took over the #1 spot because unlike most other channels he breaks down his teachings piece by piece, bit by bit, showing all of the logic behind them. Other channels just throw theories out and say 'trust me"

[@contracthit9839]

​@renegadezen7841 Zander has no world dating experience but I'm sure he is enlightened in western cultured dating..

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

@@contracthit9839he clearly has some, whether you’d like to admit it or not

[@brianmeen2158]

@@contracthit9839how do you know his dating experience?

[@renegadezen7841]

@@contracthit9839 that's true thats a good point.

[@anthonydagbue3655]

Yeah . . He's really really dialed in. Never seen anyone that hits the level of detail.

[@BigG6179]

Because he is playing games instead of being authentic. You do not need this level of detail. Women are random, that's it. Be in shape, have passions, dress well and learn to flirt.

[@bicboi1930]

You can do that. But if you want more consistency good luck ​@BigG6179

[@yourfoodforthought]

@@BigG6179 100%. No one woman is the same. Where that narrative came from I have yet to figure out, but anyone with a wide range of experience knows they’re all different.

[@improover113]

​@@BigG6179 Averages

[@improover113]

Averages ​@@yourfoodforthought

[@jamesfoster8077]

Everyman NEEDS to listen to this podcast!!! Amen Casey !

[@rjmilitante2787]

Casey is the best online dating coach he knows his shit

[@brianmeen2158]

Corey Wayne is wiser as he has much more life experience

[@masteryoda498]

@@brianmeen2158 None of these PUAs/dating coaches have any credibility, the number one rule of the 48 laws of dating (Thanks to Smash TV), is, never trust a dating coach.

[@masteryoda498]

⁠Law number one of the 48 laws of dating (credit Smash TV), “never trust a dating coach”.

[@christopherbic7688]

He publicly admits God, so I tend to listen more attentively.

[@alangwhiteTheBoss]

@@rjmilitante2787 he has no proof. Not a single video of him approaching a girl

[@scottverge938]

Wild seeing these two together.

[@gbaby49]

Facts bro! Michael will find em though!

[@michaelwanderi5277]

It's about Time. Casey should be Invited to The Fresh and Fit Podcast next

[@shyvoodoo]

Nooooo.. stay FAR away from F&F.. he’s everything they are not…

[@475thehitman]

That doesnt have anything to do with showing up to the podcast... ​@@shyvoodoo

[@improover113]

Yesss

[@AwesomeMan2696]

​@@shyvoodooI'm sure he wouldn't shy away form the opportunity if it presented itself. There's nothing wrong with him going on F&F and having a healthy discussion, even on points he disagrees with. It's narrow-minded to think he couldn't have a positive impact on their audience. If you REALLY see him as good and F&F as bad, you should recognize the benefits of that discussion. Whether you like F&F or not, you can't deny that Myron is fair and great at having guests on even with differing viewpoints than his.

[@Authenticnerd123]

Nah fraud and unfits needs to get lost. Casey have better reputation and SMV than those radical clowns

[@BS_Profile]

Totally agree about male thirst being out of control. That's exactly what gives women so much leverage and puts most men in scarcity. That in conjunction with women's obsession and entitlement to "date up" rather than date across is what's created this massive shit storm that is the modern dating landscape.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

Telling a man dieing without water to stop wanting water doesn't fix the problem

[@scottverge938]

​@jtowensbyiii6018 it should when his fellow men tell him that worshipping water isn't going to quench his thirst

[@BS_Profile]

@@jtowensbyiii6018 wanting water isn't the problem. It's acting like he's never seen it before and borderline worshipping that water that's the problem. That allows anyone that's selling water to take full advantage of his desperation and price gouge it to where nobody can afford it. If people could just fucking relax and hold out for a little bit, they'd be forced to lower the price.

[@brianmeen2158]

Yep that’s why I tell guys that it’s not womens fault that current dating is so warped - it’s mens fault.. the simping and men’s need for validation gives women most of the power .. oh and good luck trying to fix this problem

[@brianmeen2158]

@@jtowensbyiii6018but if a guy is 24 and still can’t attract women then he’s doing something very wrong

[@nicholasmanns]

casey is the man! casey and michael excellent combo

[@hudsonjamesc]

Ive been waiting for this. Zander is the real deal.

[@FINETUNEDGAMING]

Just found Casey’s channel a couple of weeks ago. The man breaks things down in realistic and unapologetic ways when it comes to dating and female nature. Looking forward to this conversation!

[@kevinj5989]

Wow, this video was a very, very good one. Lots of good information and experience were communicated, from consistently shipping videos with low-tech gear and good messages, to knowledge about women to running automated internet businesses and efficient sales funnels. FWIW, my compliments. Very well done. Very, very well done.

[@300SECURITY]

He is the Man I’ve been listening to since my exit from marriage with a Jezebel • He is 💯 on point

[@Louisadamson]

[27:48] The was banger. Perfect guest for Michael to have on the pod. Casey is on it and owns it. Authentic af Been a fan and aware of Casey for a long time. The frequency he did interviews never really something I gave much attention. When he said it was his first in-person interview, I was surprised, not about that, and the surprise was about me caring so little whether we brought others onto his channel. I'm totally think seeking the wisdom of others and having mentors is hugely important. It would have been totally well received if Michael had said to stay in the interview. I know not saying anything is more correct, unless the guest gives permission, like when Casey asked to be stopped if he was rambling.

[@okiasurfing]

Casey Zander changed my life! I can't thank him enough for what I have learned in his channel and community!

[@guardian218]

I’m married but hearing them talk and thinking about how much effort goes into keeping women from running off or acting in disrespectful ways reminds me of the perks of being single.

[@murphsviews]

I think that’s a cop out though. The women keep you honest. Keep you on the right track. If you’re humble enough to realise it.

[@guardian218]

I think it’s simp behavior to always do whatever your woman tells you so we disagree. I agree women can be that way but a lot act like children or are just clueless about mature adult behaviors. Always exceptions to every rule. Maybe it’s just my experience and millions of men but not your experience. Who knows.

[@boethius1812]

Casey Zander is clearly a genius. Incredible understanding of philosophy and psychology.

[@antoniobrasse7157]

Finally!!!!!!!! Casey Zander is the real deal and glad you finally had him on. He should have been on before any of these frauds like Pearl, F&F, Donovan, etc. .... should also do one with Courtney Ryan and Ksenia Noble (if you haven't already).

[@nrtemp9]

Courtney Ryan has no clue what she's talking about. She's a pretty version of pearl

[@brianmeen2158]

@@nrtemp9yep and it blows me away that so many guys watch Courtney’s content. I don’t fault her for cashing in but I do blame the chumps buying her bs

[@Misfitshredder]

Myron from fresh and fit knows a decent amount of what he’s talking about (he’s pretty damn aggressive, though). You could just see it as a speaker he’s very confident and intelligent. Casey Xander has pretty interesting content, but I don’t think you could truly live your life walking on eggshells around women all the time. F$CK THAT SHIT… no thank you.

[@AwesomeMan2696]

@@nrtemp9 I'm not a fan of Pearl really but she still does a much better job than Courtney Ryan. Courtney Ryan is a grifter that uses her aesthetics and cleavage to try to really make it seem like she's advocating for men but in her personal life she's just like every other blue pilled women.

[@rizlaruler7404]

Amazing interview Great to see Casey out of his Science realm this is going in my playlist to show people in my life that are having problems

[@Trazynn]

Casey is decades ahead of the game.

[@nomask4me352]

This is one of the best interviews I have ever heard. So many gems in here, language of women is real. I am lucky to have a father who taught me alot of these concepts.

[@AntonSaucedo]

Yes! Phenomenal podscast! Never thought id ever see two legends together.

[@j-star1]

We need a part 2 with Casey, Rolo, Dan and Thai. The real avengers 💪🏼💯

[@healthiswealth6237]

The HIGHER your interest in her is, the LOWER her interest in you will be

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

Which is why you should only be interested in her validating you

[@jasoncatalano8620]

Casey is the best in the game. Would love more videos on how to be a creator too

[@thelastbrobo7826]

Casey has some of the best takes on dating and relationships there is.

[@BostonVigeant-ki8tm]

Casey and Owen Cook have the best understanding of women on the internet at the current.

[@oWezel]

Very true i agree

[@simmypoliticschannel3002]

I agree

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

Zander is the Realest!

[@bigdaddybtc2935]

Man this is a good one. Actually going to rewatch and take notes, don't want to forget some of these gems

[@glennmoonjr]

It was only a matter of time before Casey was on your podcast and I’m glad it happened. Casey is awesome. Love both of your content.

[@a_rapidly_deflating_mattress]

Great to see Casey getting recognition. Dope collab

[@stern_standard]

I stopped dating when I found out how quick and how much women spend on Drake tickets

[@j-star1]

could listen to both talk all day! what a great episode

[@geoffreygklein]

His masculine blueprint is good stuff, happy to see you guys working together.

[@corbinmiles5677]

Excellent collaboration, congrats guys, thanks!

[@n300zx931]

Casey is advanced for any blue pill man coming into the way things truely are. Hes where im at, but newer guys to waking up might enjoy Coach Corey Wayne. He's definitely a soft opener to this stuff.

[@cuts240]

This is an absurdly exceptional interview- w grand insights Ty ( ***** - 5 star content !!!! ) Ty

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

Michael, I’m subscribing to you cause You brought Casey on! You got my respect for that. Just lay off the flat earthers 🙏

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

Casey! SOOO STOKED FOR THIS YOUNG STUD! Dude is SOOO FULL OF WISDOM! However, Both Casey and Michael should come to Asia! Along with Tai Lopez! I’ll be Your full time chaperone! Casey is the Man! His content is the most insightful. Highly recommend you All to subscribe to his channel! I listen to his talks daily!

[@dangjerning3331]

Casey is awesome. Perfect combination of knowledge plus in person experience

[@ChadLubinski]

Podcast of the year

[@Darknight526]

1:40:26 Negative emotions are more powerful than positive emotions. Great analogy by Casey with the bottle of water [on the deserted island, dehydrated]. Amazing points when it comes to know thyself, when it comes to your strengths and weaknesses. Maximize your advantages, minimize your disadvantages. 1:54:17 Speed and Execution > Planning Also Rest in Peace to your father Michael. Death by drunk-driving is tough man, my condolences brother.

[@rogerblakely7453]

This is easily in the top 10 of manosphere videos of 2024.

[@DanielKigwa]

Casey's videos are fantastic. They teach me a lot about women even things I never knew . The videos stings a lot but the truth needs to be told

[@whatisrealwillprosper3846]

Casey is a real one. OG

[@The_Real_Casey_Timmins]

“Are not as good at conveying inherent social value instantly” This is what I need help with. I am good at maintaining. High IQ. High value, with money being my weakest link, that’s changing fast. I was good at maintaining my last one even though I did not have money, she felt secure. Until she didn’t. Her loss.

[@andresmarrerop]

33:34 this is true for most people. Living through some mistakes and pain to really understand things. There is a big difference between knowing something and truly understanding.

[@cosmicsea89]

He’s right about figuring it out based on experience, the hard way

[@marko6657]

So much said here, I already know I’ll be relistening to this

[@EtoThe1toTheV]

I’ve seen Casey’s channel, he drops some good knowledge and points that other’s in the sphere don’t.

[@rogerblakely7453]

This is a good video. It is not boring at all.

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

That’s why Casey is the Man, I want to see Casey more bold and take over this interview. Casey has so much to share. I wish Michael would’t tell Casey’s story, allow the man to speak and allow the Young Man to Speak…

[@oscarchs2239]

Great pod, casey is a very good content creator and sartain a good interviewer

[@RohanKing573]

This is genius!!! Amazing work guys. He is amazing at explaining.

[@TimMarttala]

As “Uncle C” (Casey) pointed out: it’s really smart to learn from multiple sources (albeit, obviously credible sources). These two guys are two of the biggest for me, and I intend to join both their programs (I’m working higher priorities at the moment, as I believe they’d both advise me to do if they knew what my priorities are). As for why they’re two of my biggest sources of education, it’s because I know a solid majority (at least 60-70 percent) of each of their material is solid material, and between the two I’m confident that I’ll learn at least 85-95 percent of what I need to from just these two guys. The remaining 5-15%? That can be handed from guys like Rollo, Rich Cooper, and Corey Wayne. (And guys, don’t bother arguing about any of this…I won’t respond. Just take it as IMHO. Now go and learn and put it into action; don’t bother arguing about it!)

[@0000FFz]

Amazing job letting Casey talk. I’m a fan but concepts are discussed better when you’re not the only smart person in the room.

[@Thomas-qi9ix]

Ive been WAITING for this collab!

[@vpoppv]

"If you're taken care of as a man, damn near any woman that comes into your life is going to be somewhat attracted to you from a feminine standpoint".48:51 Yup

[@cameron2893]

I respect this man alot. I got alot of gems from this. Alot of pure Game

[@YenaPrinskin]

simply the best and most sophisticated in the game.

[@drewgoodman7932]

Refreshing to see someone’s perspective that Las f-ing Vegas isn’t their frame of reference.

[@NP-io4ol]

If a woman respects you she will withhold sex upfront to make it seem like she is virtuous. If she gives it up right away she doesnt see you to be of much value. Its fascinating

[@marcusmcgraw3519]

How to get around this: by proving her value means nothing on its own. Then you take away her news to withhold to raise her own value. Then you can win regardless. If she walks away from that, it’s cuz you were invalidating her, meaning you don’t lose

[@DavidTramacchi]

Brilliant session lads. Tons of value

[@russandrews3078]

One of the best episodes!

[@LongIslandHouses]

we love casey’s videos!

[@moneymakinrich848]

This dude is brilliant!

[@SmajorX]

The interview I never I knew I wanted but needed

[@willcook8583]

That explains so much he has read Robert Greene. Im addicted to his works also

[@jonmueller2117]

Even Tom Brady wasn't good enough at the end of the day.

[@Darknight526]

Interesting stuff at 12:51, thanks for this gem!

[@mikea.4477]

27:40 Bro said leave her on red for 3 weeks lol. Gorilla pimpin! 😂😎

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

I would have set up this interview, not directly facing, it’s a confrontational angle, however, I wish I was interviewing Casey, I hope Michael can do justice here. I want to see Casey on Fresh and Fit.

[@BingBongWasheeWashee]

About time!!! Lets go!!

[@JonnyEsser-m4k]

This is the most and best information I've found. It makes all the sense. No offense to like RSD but it was lacking. Masculinity

[@andrewDavid-rn6he]

This is high level shit

[@lebronjames7041]

I like Casey’s Philosophy

[@dougburgan1]

never seen a man pull of bridal lace. very impressive

[@DerGesellschaftskritiker]

Good interview!

[@SavageCrnbread]

From 25 min in to 30 min mind blown

[@Darknight526]

1:00:02 a lot of people in this space I believe overthink a lot. I think it's because these guys either just naturally (or by nurture) have high levels of anxiety, or because people who are good at thinking tend to think a lot, people who tend to think a lot tend to overthink and overthinking is the antithesis of taking action. Guys don't become overthinkers when they join this space, but they join this space because they are overthinkers.

[@payamshirazi5026]

Very interesting take on Adam & Eve

[@luissilvahernandez1187]

The Adam and Eve analogy is genius!

[@goofytunes1]

Cutting the noise is 95% of the battle. 5% is gym + business focus

[@zoro90s]

Killer episode

[@zacharyanderson8613]

Amazing! Thanks guys

[@improover113]

Love this! based Maroonpilled. Thanks Captain Sartain.

[@taggmanibanez]

I've had experiences where I don't escalate with a girl, trying to get her to, and it just fizzles out. There's a fine line that you have to walk with this kind of thing. Some women are so horribly insecure, they need constant validation, in order to want to physically escalate. I've experienced when you don't take the initiative and try to escalate, they almost get mad and insulted, because every other guy tries to escalate. And yes you can play this cool and calm thing and not care, and just move on to the next one, until you find one that will escalate, but I can't help but wonder how many times I have used this tactic and ended up gaming my way right out of closing the deal.

[@UnlimitedWomen2]

The RED Deathly of Women Explains Y

[@thedarkestknight8381]

Cause wm are supposed to to initiate not men this is a lie told to men

[@djeanpierre]

Exactly. The laid back approach never worked for me. I have to push my sexual agenda forward. I’d rather have a girl reject me for being too aggressive than not aggressive enough.

[@josephrim7630]

Good shit🔥🔥🔥

[@JshshDJnthn]

Bro you should go on fresh and fit podcasts too

[@tmbrad1288]

😂😂😂😂

[@peterthebull8578]

Good shit thx for sharing

[@healthiswealth6237]

Right on

[@MegaTapas123]

Here's a breakdown of the key points of casey teaching Building the Inner World: Focus on personal development and inner strength. The idea is to cultivate a strong sense of self and not be easily accessible to others, which can increase your value in the eyes of others. Scarcity and Value: By not being easily available or overly talkative, you create an aura of exclusivity. This can align with the concept of hypergamy, where people are attracted to those who are perceived as high value. Learning to Say No: This is about setting boundaries and not always being eager to please. It shows that you have standards and self-respect, which can be attractive qualities. Social Proof: The idea that women may desire what other women want. Engaging with multiple women (not for validation, but to understand social dynamics) can create a perception that you are desirable, which can enhance your social value. Ambiguity in Relationships: Never fully committing or openly validating your availability keeps others guessing. This can create an allure of mystery and the impression that you have other options, which can make you more intriguing.

[@aucapllc3486]

Great job guys

[@Nicholas-cl3px]

insane ty casey

[@zaidendubbel7521]

My only confusion is if as men we aren't supposed to flirt with women or escalate how are we supposed to approach?

[@4theculturegaming740]

Ngl I’ve been hearing this kind of content for years now, but sumthin just wasn’t clicking I kept shooting myself in the foot. Came across Casey and idk but shit just connects differently. For example something as small as him reframing “shit test” as “interest test” took me out of the mindset of feeling I was being played with and getting upset to the mindset of she likes you and wants to like you more but has to know you’re not too interested. Real small but powerful.

[@shantatb6158]

Casey dropped some inter sexually dynamics game in different perspective from most RP creators, hypergamy is an emotional and lie along with impulse control, masculine frame, keeping red, not pedestalising her (head over heals) front, mid, end game theory was dope.

[@Avicena-tf5uj]

God bless you bro