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[@jewelersofwhale]

I bought one with the grizzly brand. Was told it would lower temps by 10c° well, in benchmark it dropped with around 2-3c° and in games about 5c° from 65c to 60c° Its not magic but it works a bit better than the normal fitting.

[@atomicskull6405]

The Thermalright one is cheaper and better, no fiddling with screw tension you tighten the screw with the small end of the key and two fingers and stop tightening when the screw stops. Instead of a floating frame there are 0.5mm hard elastomer pads (think hard but flexible plastic) under each end that sit flush with the MB. If you are worried about the screws backing out you could put a spot of blue threadlock on the last few threads of the screws.

[@Gersberms]

I got the 13700K with a contact frame, and a 360 AIO. Temps still shot straight to 100. Then I got the lapping block and lapped the CPU to a mirror shine. Now it doesn't get above 90. Epic improvement!

[@makingcash4life]

Crazy that you had to lap your ihs to get sub 100c. I have a 13700k with Thermalright contact frame and 240mm aio. Before I added the contact frame it would hit 100c on the package and start to throttle, whilst remaining around 85-90c on the core. It would get up to 200-210w. After installing the contact frame, my idle and low load temperatures dropped noticeably and when running cinebench the core only hits like 70c, 80c package at the 200w now but since the package never goes above 95c anymore, it no longer throttles, and I've seen it go up to 253w. I did go with Arctic Mx-6 this time, versus what came with my aio before, that could have something to do with it. But honestly I more so bought the frame just to keep my cpu from bending over time, and got better thermals in the process. With the contact frame and mx-6, this 240mm aio keeps a 253 watt drinking 13700k to 85c core 95c package. The fact your 360 couldn't do it without lapping the ihs is downright cruel.

[@voluntarism335]

All high end motherboards should have contact frames like this in the future

[@Henningberlin94]

You can mess up the screwing process. Too tight screws and the cpu wont boot due to no memory access. That´s why it´s not happening.

[@atomicskull6405]

@@Henningberlin94 Easy to fix that use shoulder screws and spring washers to control the pressure. That way the tension of the screw doesn't matter because it's the spring washer pressing down on the retaining plate with the shoulder stopping the screw at a specified distance from the plate. For that matter why does the frame nee to press the heat spreader at all? They should designing it just to retain the CPU with the cooler being the thing that actually applies pressure to the heat spreader.

[@82windows82]

All motherboards period!

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

This was (again) a great real life video. Thanks.

[@dan88rx7turbo22]

This is why I like liquid cooling the blocks help to add better active pressure against all four corners

[@theyoungjawn]

Z690-G is such a good Motherboard. Wish they sold a DDR4 version though.

[@iamdmc]

I'll wait for a proper review of the Thermal Grizzly contact frame thanks Igor's lab showed a 5-10C difference even compared to washer mod will be much more important for open loop water cooling than AIOs or large air heatsinks

[@richh9570]

It was either Linus or Gamers Nexus that did a review, and the ThermalRight showed the best numbers, and the Thermal Grizzley was still spreading unevenly (for the most part)

[@arel77]

I have a delided 12900 ks ( sp 104 ) using default clamp temps were hotest core r23 for 30 mins @ 5 2 GHz 4.9 ring e cores off . was 64 c that thermal right bracket same evrything was 2-3 warmer in the middle 2 cores 67c. but I noticed a weird anomaly using the default Intel cpu clamp 32gb (, 16 GB x 2 ) g.skill royal 4000 cl 16-16-16-35 1.40v xmp @ 4133 cl 15-15-15-35 @ 1.55v gear 1 mode stable with default Intel clamp I would reboot PC and the training would make RTL/iol 71/73 but I would fail tm5 anta extreme 777 5 hrs in reboot re do it fail 4 hrs in reboot retrain the same 71/73 RTL/I'll all settings locked in then fail 2 hrs in . .... then I thought well when I ran the thermal right bracket in this video I passed 8 hrs of tm5 anta extreme and anta tm5 absolute 8 hrs each . rebooted retrained ram same 71/73 RTL/I'ol rebooted passed both again. rebooted cold boot , retrained same RTL/I'll passed again both. put Intel's stock braket in booted up RTL/iol.trained 71/73 all the exact same settings as the other bracket thermal right in this video and got errors tm5 1 - 6 hrs in rebooted retrained cleared cmos retrained all the same settings took cpu out but back in always errors in tm5 anta extreme 1 -5 hrs in ram temps were 31 c - 38c in all tests. I'm thinking the even presure from that new Becker helped my cpu with ram oc it was really weird . spent 2 days. figuring it out. +2 c with that bracket and zero mem errors in tm5 anta extreme and absolute and occt every reboot no issues even re training all pass. the stock bracket throws random errors. my issue could be that I ran my 12900ks with stock clamp got the bend in the middle really bad Wich caused ram errors then when using this new bracket it pushes it flat in the socket and corrected those errors instantly who knows ! I'll update over time . great video

[@jaybee0507]

Maybe the memory controller's pins have better contact with the frame? Who knows if they reside on the outer edge of the pin layout. Or your integrated memory controller runs cooler with the frame? I mean, that's kinda far fetch i guess. I'm sure there is a simple answer, but finding simple answer can sometimes be extremely not simple :D

[@arel77]

@@jaybee0507 must be , since then having used the frame for 2 weeks I have re stress tested my ram oc on dual rank 4133 cl-15-15-15-35 1.55v does 41ns in safe mode and 43ns in windows clean boot , I have went from 1.31v to 1.35v vcssa and ran y cruncher for hrs and all passes , passed tm5 with absolute CFG and passed for 8 hrs. so now that I'm 8 hr solid in tm5 and y cruncher even with re training and clearing CMOS and loading my ram config oc settings and still passed i could reinstall the original clamp again and see if my ram fails tm5 absolute again. I don't want to fix somthing thats not broken , I have learnt the hard way with that one lol . vary odd

[@jakecollin5548]

I know Im late to the party here, but thought I wopuld add my 2 cents... The first heat spereader had been bent over time by being in the stock ILM giving it a banana shape, using the new ILM didnt remove the bend so temps were the same. The 'freshly' lapped heatspreader was flat so gave an even spread. Using the new ILM would stop the heatspreder from bending over time. The difference wasnt the lapping...it was using an old bent heatspreader over a new flat heatspreader....using the new ILM stops the bending over time.

[@justinsugay1149]

At $6 that just looks cool and perhaps ensures more even ihs wear over time; still a great vid to put things in perspective. Not worth the trouble for most. Those who don't understand may cause more issues with improper technique etc. but I imagine a majority of your viewers/subscribers here understand all this very well and appreciate your thorough work in testing this out and broadcasting the truth/results!

[@malachiashley528]

This fixed my throttle on the 13th gen. Dropped me about 10C and rose clocks about 200mhz

[@TBX182012]

I can show you my results with no lapping, my cpu was hitting 97C, now, just with the thermal grizzly contact frame, it hits at max 82C and if I turn the AC on, it hits just 72C, and also,the frame change doesn’t void the warranty since they is no way to prove that you change it, if you lap your CPU, you also lap your warranty, that the benefit of it

[@Ben-ld1qi]

That's great news! My Thermalright frame just arrived but I haven't installed it yet. Did you use a torque screwdriver or just go by feel when tightening the screws? After seeing GN's video I hope I'll do a goos job to tighten them as evenly as possible

[@TBX182012]

@@Ben-ld1qi first I put a mark on each screw, then i just tighten the screws in an x pattern with 2 fingers until I can’t do it more (also doing it little by little so there is no way that they aren’t even), then just do a 45° turn in each screw, as recommended per der8auer

[@marycrowley5984]

i'm sorry i don't understand, i'm not native english speaker so sometime it's hard for me to understand smalls details. In the first test he gets better temp with the fix in the bonus test he gets same temps with the fix I don't understand why ;)

[@TDIFLY]

Don't you think the fresh liquid metal on the lapped IHS made the difference, not sure how long ago you did the delid on that cpu

[@pedroalmeida2870]

Good content it was good to know someone it’s putting attention to this little issue thank you

[@darylandcat]

It’s my understanding that these frames are to prevent bending from happening. If the CPU is already warped, it’s fucked. If it isn’t warped and brand new, this would stop it from happening.

[@ventsid5963]

I got 13600k on a b660 board with one of these frames and ak400 cpu cooler. My temperatures sit 35 C with 6 game clients minimized. If I go play some new game on top it would go 50 to 60C max. Make sure your board got the latest bios update too.

[@berzerkus]

I used a 3d printed spacer for my LGA1700 clamping mechanism (since day 1), After a couple months of use, I removed the cpu and was unable to detect any bending. Can't say it would have been better or worse if I hadn't done this, but it's an easy piece of mind thing since I already had a 3d printer.

[@ValeIraola.]

Hello! I have a 3d printer and I live in Argentina, sending this product over the internet would cost me a lot and in a long time. My question is, where can I get a plan to make the spacer myself and make it look good?

[@atomicskull6405]

You have to check while the CPU is still mounted. If you take it out then it springs back because the warping isn't far enough to cause plastic deformation.

[@ITAngel]

Nice video man, thanks for testing and sharing. =)

[@Skitzotech]

I know where the issue may stem from and why you may not have seen a difference. My MSI Motherboard's ilm arm is super stiff... when I first made my pc like 8 months ago I installed my CPU and while pressing down the arm it was SO STIFF that around 3/4 of the way down I actually stopped and opened the socket back up to ensure that I put the CPU in the correct way and I didn't have it misaligned slightly. It was all correct... The arm is just under SIGNIFICANT tension. I thought that was the norm... That must just be how 12/13th gen arms must be... Till I built one for my friend and his arm took a third of the force to lock down than mine did... His board was either gigabyte or asus I cant remember off the top of my head. I recently bought a 13600k as an upgrade and boy oh boy... my cpu temps were 95C while gaming! I checked mounting twice... same deal. What I noticed was a dry line down the center of my CPU and coldplate... Meaning bending is present... I bought this 10 dollar bracket and BOOM! 80c in gaming. Its not snake oil... just that your SPECIFIC setup didn't have the bending issue. (and yes... later I bought a water cooler and now the temps are 65-70c while gaming)

[@arbiter1]

Yea you didn't see any pooling in the video of thermalpaste in the middle. My build was only around 1.5months old on z790/13700k. when i put plate in on mine i could see it on cooler and cpu that the top and bottom of cpu had less thermal paste on it then the middle. My bet is being delidded that might be why he didn't see as much as that might help deal with the bending.

[@bloviatormaximus1766]

Yes if you want to justify or rationalize staying with a decent run the contact frame and do an undervolt and keep the thermal headroom @5ghz? Gamer's Nexus has the pressure test images they have test gear

[@ThunderKat]

If you added liquid metal to the CPU I wouldn't say is a good reference of performance for most users... Bad transfer from stock configurations would probably see more benefit of having a more even contact around the surface of the CPU, even a better thermal paste would show improvements. I'm having a hard time finding a video that shows the benefit of having this improve socket, you need to test with the 3 most sell motherboard or more to see if there are problems that need to be fix/address for a start.

[@natnut2008]

Does this work on 13th gen Intel CPUs?

[@PickemMMA]

i will stay with my ryzen 7 5800x for now, matches my 3080tis performance fine for me

[@BenJ2827]

My 13th gen lost 6 deg with the contact frame. Great cheap product.

[@EnnTomi1]

kinda horrble way to bench it with AIO and such short amount time tho? you are just cooling the water in the AIO and unless you keep those temp in the factor as well, this is not controlled test.

[@giff74]

Good job using actual science stuff!!

[@zerzes]

Excellent video J.

[@PatRock1983]

@Frame Chasers does this contact frame help with thermals on Intel 13th gen? Or did Intel fix the issue?

[@MaruBaku]

12600k or 5800x? pair with 3080 and on warzone 1440p

[@MaruBaku]

also is it a close tie

[@funk541]

Snake oil lols, I literally just bought my 12th gen cpu and Mb like 6 hours ago and and I start seeing the big channels covering this and I'm like wtf. Then come here to watch your video and have nothing to worry about. I don't OC nor have a water cooler (basic fan cooler for me) I'm just a gen pop user that has nothing to worry about. THANKS MATE.

[@elearnplay8714]

I think your conclusion is wrong. In the first place, what made the cpu sag in the middle? The frame prevents bending of cpu in the long run, which leads to decreased cpu performance over time. So I dont think its selling snake oil :)

[@Garrett1974]

I use 4 black nylon spacers, M4 with 1mm thickness, 1 under each screw. Still a bit of a shame that these 'solutions' are needed... oh well on the other hand it's fun to tweak stuff right

[@TheAdoringFan]

Go watch the gamers nexus video so you can see the opinion of someone who actually knows what they are talking about because they properly tested the product.

[@homevid]

does this also works with the new 13th gen? Just bought a 13900k..... tia :)

[@phillherup]

Love it jufes, sick vid again!

[@JohnDoe-tv4zd]

thats 100 times the paste you need, no wonder high temps for people, i put a fingerprint thick on ihs then same on cooler so very thin, always great results no paste all over. You people are floating the heatsink over the cpu, not needed

[@timtoomuch]

Not all will benefit from the contact frame. Certain motherboards from what I've seen cause a bow in the IHS from the clamping force in the middle. I had high temps and the contact frame dropped temps 15°c

[@Ben-ld1qi]

That's amazing, what's your mother board?

[@timtoomuch]

@@Ben-ld1qi msi z690 edge wifi

[@Ben-ld1qi]

@@timtoomuch holy shit that's one of the better ddr4 mobos, i have the asus strix d4 and noticed almost no change in temps when using the 1mm washer mod under the bracket. But anyway i ordered the Thermalright bracket, we'll see how it goes.

[@timtoomuch]

@@Ben-ld1qi I'm glad your not having the issue I know my board was extremely hard to push the lever down so that could be why.i did the washer mod prior to getting the contact frame which worked almost as well basically you take screws out of the socket put washers on (I used nylon) and reinstall the screws.I think some also has to do with the IHS on the cpu itself as well almost returned my 12900k and got another but mine runs 5.2ghz p core and 4.2 e core @1.31v so didn't wanna take a chance on getting bad silicon lol

[@Ben-ld1qi]

@@timtoomuch If I recall correctly on Igor's Lab review he saw the best thermal drop with 1mm washers and a regression beyond that, and it also depended on the motherboard, on some mobos stock vs 1mm difference was less than 1°c. I got my washers from AliExpress, Nylon as well, M5 size, and came in bag of 100 pieces, I'm just not sure what I'm gonna use the remaining 96 pieces for lul. I'm now contemplating whether to get a torque screwdriver to put the Thermalright bracket to best of its abilities once it arrives, I'm way too clumsy to trust my own motor skills on not over or under tightening all screws in synergy.

[@dan88rx7turbo22]

Probably get better temp reduction by planing the IHS in my experience with delidding most cpus have the best results

[@AndreasMV]

7892 points in cinebench?... something wrong? My 12700k @ 4.9Ghz - 9250

[@KaffKind]

I bought the der8auer one and somehow killed my z690 board with it. If you buy one be very careful installing.

[@jaybee0507]

What motherboard that was you broke? Any idea how did it happen? I'm just about to buy the frame, lol, my local store just got those.

[@gypbob]

Did it void the warranty on your motherboard?

[@KaffKind]

@@gypbob intel said it might void the warranty removing the installed ilm but i got it rma'd

[@KaffKind]

@@jaybee0507 it was an msi pro z690-a ddr4. No idea how i broke it, the debug leds looped through cpu and ram. The same cpu and ram run fine in my new motherboard. The cpu was in its socket while i installed it, i looked at the pins afterwards and did not see a single bend one. The PC booted once with the new contact frame installed and immediately blue screened in Windows and afterwards it would not turn on again.

[@jaybee0507]

@@KaffKind That's really concerning. Could it have shorted out somewhere? It's metal, right? Or maybe it grounded the cpu somehow. How tight you screwed the frame? Did you do just like derbauer instructed on the video? I have msi 690 edge wifi ddr4. That's almost the same board as you. I'm guessing you didn't install the frame on your new motherboard? :D

[@chamikakavishan5060]

What about motherboard bending over because of pressure of the ilm

[@ZenkiKong]

In the video, the IHS is already bent by the ILM. The after market frame won't help much. It'll only help if you use it from the very first day of your build because it'll prevent the IHS from bending or keep it minimal. This experiment is kinda not fare for the frame.

[@the12gaugeshotty]

Tried this on my Core i5-13600K that I overclocked to 6GHz. It made absolutely zero difference. Temperature was identical to the ILM I've been using since day one. This is snake oil.

[@qalih]

Wait a minute, it works well enough with a normal CPU, without the need for delidding and frankensteining the CPU - that is a WIN!

[@oinkooink]

Right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Right? Right?

[@MaxNakfoor]

If you lap the cold-plate and run LM you’ll see another 5-10c drop. Discovered EK’s cpu blocks are horribly shaped in an attempt to maximize contact with Intels horrible IHSs.

[@fatarren9075]

bending comes over time?

[@amortalbeing]

30$ for 3 degrees doesnt worth it imho. if it were like 5/10$ max that would worth it!

[@dhruvmeena96]

De8auer contact frame comes with delidding and lapping tool and has screw marks for most accurate insertion with proper guide.. And lapping is necessary to get the surface flat so the contact frame can work But the video was really good and informative:)

[@tutorials_id]

realy? is that delid die mate 3? coz i can't find any delid tool after delid die mate 2 on caseking

[@dan88rx7turbo22]

Yeah it’s a horrible design it doesn’t support the top and bottom to have equal pressure

[@toonnut1]

👍

[@emslvmoddslv4568]

The main conclusion is that this 12 gen i9 is a bad product if get hotter ... For INTEL this is a shame...I suppose that Made in Vietnam bring a lot of lack of quality.

[@weeooh1]

I think the frame should be used on a new CPU, not one that was already bent by the ILM.

[@atomicskull6405]

It's not permanent, you'd need to bend copper quite a bit to reach plastic deformation and this amount of warping isn't enough.

[@mokololonovohoho4822]

mega

[@HardWhereHero]

I lap old 4th gen CPU's all the time. I have a 4690k that runs at 4.7 base 5.7 boost on air cooler. I don't know why but I am too scared to lap my Alder lake CPU. :)

[@arbiter1]

A review site called gamers nexsus did a video as well on this using process that uses a chemically reactive paper to show contact between the heatsink and cpu. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4q4YoKpoMeMY7M

[@KillingTheMost]

What if I told you epic win?

[@andrewtillery]

I think he completely missed the purpose of this product. It is suppose to prevent fatige and uneven pressure "OVER TIME" through 100's of heat cycles. It prevents the IHS from warping and prevents an uneven surface from extreme temp changes and uneven pressure OVER TIME. This is not snake oil and i am not a spokes person for this product either. just putting in my two cents

[@chamikakavishan5060]

💯 He's the snake oil merchant, how the hell going to blame the thermalright BCF kit for without using a new CPU that hasn't been bend

[@Dmwntkp99]

I agree, I rather use it knowing my cpu is not stressed from high pressure.

[@NathanOakley1980]

Did you all buy one too? 😆 I got a cheap one to try as I was willing to try anything to get my passive rig cooler, alas, it made no difference. Ended up lowering 8 core speed 😢

[@justinbroniszewski]

While the bending may not be an issue for most, I'd rather have a more secure ILM bracket that prevents it. The stock design is terrible as it applies pressure on the longest sides of the IHS.

[@chamikakavishan5060]

Did you get it?

[@dariuspryor9301]

Same. I bought the thermal grizzly one

[@UnexplainedToday]

gamers nexus test results would disagree with this video

[@sandy1234853]

It's not really fear mongering there is a genuine issue with the original latch design bending CPUs the point of this product is to stop CPUs from bending a bent cpu pcb could cause the death of your cpu under the die itself is a bga (ball grid array) and the added tension on those balls plus heat cycling will cause them to crack over time the added 2 to 3 degree's drop in temp is only a bonus

[@KamOking]

First

[@FireTwo]

Congratulations 🎉

[@jaybee0507]

@@FireTwo I think there might be something wrong with your icecream.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

I have returned.

[@doublepoil]

Maybe when using the bracket would prevent to bend the IHS over time, if that's a thing?

[@arel77]

read my post above I found a weird anomaly with the stock braket and switching to that thermal right bracket

[@jaybee0507]

Well, my 12900k cinebench temps raised something like 5-10 degrees over some months on it's own with the default latch. Then i applied washer mod and it was back to the original temperature again. So definitely bends over time. I could even "see the bend" when looking against light. I mean light coming through the middle of the cpu, you know what i mean i suppose. I'm not sure if the washer modded latch is enough to bend it over time but i'm not eager to wait and see. Ordered the thermal grizzly frame, going to lap the cpu and free my mind of this unnecessary bullshit we shouldn't need to worry about.

[@arel77]

@@jaybee0507 yeah I was using the washer to with my stock bracket

[@TSportM]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6TFY2isqLN1h6s maybe you should conduct tests in another way to see results from the video you tighten it random, it takes a bit of time to get it right :), and bare and mind that your frame might no be original from thermalright you need to check the code that comes with it to see if its legit, and threre is a problem with the stock ILM period, the thermal grizzly frame is better then the thermalright it just needs more tests to get it right. cheers

[@Ben-ld1qi]

I was thinking the same, would be interesting to see GN's upcoming Thermalright 12th gen bracket vs an updated video from Jufes trying to replicate their installation method. But I'd say wait on it first, no need to bother Jufes yet, let's first of all wait and see GN's upcoming Thermalright vs Thermal Grizzly comparison video (since Jufes used here a Thermalright bracket). P.S. I personally used the 1mm washers mod and I'm not sure I could even tell a difference in temperature before and before.

[@GySgt_USMC_Ret.]

14:58 Gung-ho! Ooorah! I bought one a few weeks ago for my new i7-12700k/3080Ti system build. Fair winds and following seas to all.

[@metaforceschool]

I def saw 8c drop for my i9 14900k with this thing and also now i sleep khnowing that even if my cpu is hot it wont bend , that by itself is a win

[@rahimdamji9602]

I’m not gonna lie, you know what you are doing, very good at what you do. 😂 I’ve been watching your content for 2 years. Anyway, here’s the thing, my 12900k is delid, now I have one of these frames but I’m using copper ihs on my 12900k, looked cool, whatev, made sense to get the package with the delid from rockitcool. Anyway, the frame doesn’t fit the copper ihs, but it fits my delid 12700k which might be a gold cpu because it can do 5.45ghz all core stable after delid… but anyway I put my 12700k in a board with a 120mm aio for now and overclocked to 5.2ghz 1.29vcore it’s hitting 90c which this is a cheap evga bstock cooler for 20 bucks… your opinion, should I go stock ihs and frame on my 12900k or keep copper ihs, I’m hitting 80c at 5.2 all core… custom loop with 3080ti in loop. Lots of other factors, but just want your thoughts

[@lordace8795]

I got scared I was gonna have to take my computer apart again, thank you for the real review

[@alltheboost5363]

What about use with liquid metal? Would that help keep it contained especially if you can seal that little edge?

[@mightyleek]

These things are made of aluminium, isn't liquid metal going to create issues there?

[@allanwilmath8226]

If you install a new CPU using the frame then it won't bend the IHS in the first place. that's the point, and it's only useful if you want the lowest temps. It both seems reasonable and your lapping sems to prove it because it flattened the bent IHS. If it's 6 bucks I'll be doing it if it's still applicable when I upgrade from my 9900K. Compared to all the cost I spent on water cooling the 6 bucks is nothing. Interestingly, the frame won't void the CPU warranty but lapping does. Intel does what it dos simply to make mass production easy and to idiot proof things but on the big chips Intel and AMD both use the basically the same thing as this 6 dollar frame.

[@atomicskull6405]

The bending isn't permanent it only warps ever so slightly under pressure and it's not enough to cause plastic deformation. I checked this with an engineering flat edge and a light.

[@lupuradu841]

​@@atomicskull6405 thanks for explain bro

[@RAYQUAZA_X]

Fatigue is caused by repetitive flexion. Tightening the processor too hard will not cause fatigue because the load is static. The stress in the ihs due to heat is irrelevant because maintaining it will not prevent it from accumulating internal stress and the temperatures reached by the processor are too low anyway. Where he is wrong is the pressure distribution. Gamer’s nexus did a great video testing this product and the thermal grizzly one.

[@RAYQUAZA_X]

It will help to equalise pressure to get a good contact but won’t prevent « damaging » the ihs

[@ChildofLight777]

14900K has entered the chat.

[@DIFowner]

But what about over time?

[@nakshtraroshal]

So much info in like 16 mins. Just wow!

[@MrDutch1e]

I been meaning to grab one of these. My 12700k is bent af. Grabbed an asetek based aio because they are convex and fixed most of the issue tho. My nh-d15 performed like GARBAGE because of how flat the contact plate is. It's definitely not a bad product you just don't have a bent CPU. You should see the pool in the middle of my chip after I remove the nh-d15. You just didn't test a stock chip that hasn't been delidded that has the bend issue...

[@4711shaun2]

did you get one?

[@4ngelin0m93]

the frame itself does a great job if you do not lap your cpu and if you do it it should bring gains anyways. I think that should be more test done before concluding aint usefull at all

[@BonusCrook]

Prey is free on the epic store until the 19th (in 2 days), get that shit.

[@scalz420]

6:20 wayyy too much paste homie

[@FireTwo]

I’m gona order one thanks Joofoos Should hold a delidded better without the need to glue the corners of the IHS?

[@My-Hunt]

Jesus, use enough thermal paste? Looks like you just put spoonful of yogurt on there

[@mightyleek]

Can you use these CPU contact frames with a delided CPU with liquid metal?

[@realkekec4028]

Imo,when you first install the cpu in original ILM,the cpu is getting bend by ILM clamp,so after you change to BCF frame,the IHS of cpu is *damaged* by that action,if i can called it like that. But i could be wrong.

[@atomicskull6405]

It's not enough to cause plastic deformation of the copper. Metals only stay bent if they are bent far enough, slight warping like this will spring back.

[@birdsoup777]

Thank you. Not only save people money, but time and hassle if something goes wrong

[@williamwoosleyiv6150]

i come here for the great art! Leave with good info lol.

[@sean.d7171]

Maybe Ihs shrinks slightly in the center when the soldier cools after manufacturing. Could be why Lapping helps

[@Rodney-cq7xo]

You cant just say that it will do one degree at most, every cpu ihs is different, one mate on discord has like 8-9 degree reduction with this frame.

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

Imagine this on Amd cpu...all world stop!

[@pedroalmeida2870]

Thanks!

[@simoneaddessi8850]

will this also be valid on the Z790 / B760 etc? Will the LGA1700 socket issue persist with new motherboards too? being the same with Intel's 13th gen, or despite the identical socket will manufacturers be able to modify / refine the LGA1700 to eliminate this contact problem?

[@jewelersofwhale]

Works finr for all 12th-13th gen 1700lga

[@Kritter4life]

Good stuff.

[@theodanielwollff]

After watching a number of "reviews" for this contact frame, it's clear that some are getting good results and others are not. So who is right? Everyone actually, but no one has figured out why they are right. I suspect just like a few other commenters that the MB itself combined with the CPU cooler mounting is the actual factor here. Using a EKWB waterblock with a seriously thick backplate, I never experienced any socket warping across multiple motherboards. Switch over to like a AIO or air cooler with a plastic backplate and you may have a problem. Add in the fact that lower end MBs are 6-layer PCBs, memory support is already weak. This contact thing has to do with A) bad IHS to begin with B) thin MB PCB and C) How the cooler is mounted to the socket.

[@reti7959]

The contact frame isn't for that after market heat spreader though, just the stock 12th gen one. I'm definitely going to get one of those contact frames though for sure. Going to go for the expensive Thermal Grizzly one though, I'd be worried about putting anything from Aliexpress inside my PC hahaha

[@richh9570]

I believe Linus Tech Tips and JayzTwoCents did a video on these, and the ThermalRight bracket did the best. The Thermal Grizzly didn't spread evenly or something like that.

[@reti7959]

@@richh9570 you know what, I ended up getting the Thermal right one lol. No complaints so far

[@jewelersofwhale]

I have thermal grizzly benchmark dropped by 2c and gaming 5-6c with asus prime z690

[@reti7959]

@@jewelersofwhale I have nothing to compare it with as I installed the frame when I put my CPU in but from everything I've read, there's absolutely no difference between the Thermal Grizzly one and the Thermalright one

[@jewelersofwhale]

@@reti7959 Same here, Im not sure if there is a difference between those two brands, but Im glad I use atleast one of them. :-)

[@maloc1166]

Insert comment here about how your wrong and my favorite xoc youtube said it's a 10-15c difference even though I never tested it myself but my brothers sisters uncle did so your wrong.

[@MrDutch1e]

I mean he's using a delidded CPU that doesn't have the bending issue. You should see how bent my 12700k is. Completely depends on the cooler to. I have a huge pile of thermal paste in middle of the chip and garbage performance on my nh-d15 because of the flat contact plate. Switched to an asetek cooler and get way better spread and like 16°-17° better temps. I'd bet this with help the nh-d15 dramatically. Kind of want to try it out but my bullshit case doesn't have a big enough cutout behind the board and I don't want to yank the entire board to change the cooler again lol.

[@maloc1166]

@@MrDutch1e I also have a 12700k that had terrible contact issues with e EK 360 aio. I switched to a full custom loop and cooling is no issue. I think alot of the older aio don't have the optimal cooling position for the fins on the inside for the newly shaped intel chips and it's just not cooling the chips as good in the center it might be offset or somthing. The cooling fins don't cover as much area as the actual Coldplate on those AIO'S so it's hard to tell.

[@MrDutch1e]

@@maloc1166 more likely you have the bending issue and the aio isn't convex. Block on your custom loop likely has more pressure and a sturdier backplate helping to flatten out the chip.

[@rodrigorochapatriotaoficial]

Logically, that wouldn't make any difference, have you ever seen a Chinese manufacture something good? Instead of using that cheap frame support... I had to do the test with a Grizzly... I guarantee you would have very different results.

[@Topper_Harley68]

GN did get 7-8c better cooling with the derbauer one, but where I live that one is to expensive ($50 + 25% vat.) But the TR cost 1/4 of that.

[@Subaru_God]