Improving Intel 12th Gen Thermals - Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame

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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:34 Advertisement
1:21 Problems with the ILM
2:19 Development process
3:37 CPU lapping
4:39 Intel 12th Gen Contact Frame
6:38 Mounting the Contact Frame
8:20 Contact pressure and possible problem with RAM
9:28 Temperature benefits with the Contact Frame
10:27 The Lapping-Tool
12:47 CPU lapping
13:05 Available soon
16:46 Outro

[@daghtus]

Thanks Roman for releasing such niche products which you can hardly get rich with. It's clear you are simply committed to overclocking community and you deserve a big thumbs-up. I always purchase TG stuff for my high-end builds because they rock and I also want to support you. Greetings from Slovakia.

[@greggreg2458]

I've been using your direct die mount for my 9900K, works like a charm, 5.3ghz stable, while before 5.0ghz wasn't possible because of high temps.

[@BlackBirdMax]

So cool! It's totally unnecessary and i love it.

[@der8auer-en]

hahaha :D

[@DanielGT_93]

I'm using an QQLS (an i9-9980HK adapted for 1151 Z170) and it helps a lot not having an IHS.

[@KiiR745]

@@DanielGT_93 I am having problems adjusting the cooler on my QTJ1, do you have any advices? Thanks!

[@DanielGT_93]

@@KiiR745 I'm using an Neptwin, Tower cooler that uses screws with shocks. This helps with mounting pressure. Some water cooler have isues from what ive read, so you probably need a extra cooper layer to help

[@Nobe_Oddy]

I had NO IDEA you were part of Thermal Grizzly - that is AWESOME!!!! I see Thermal Grizzly on a whole bunch of youtube channels and they have ALWAYS spoken high of the products, but not once did they mention they had anything to do with you. I only learned of your channel from hearing about the NO2 OC Challenge with JTC and GN and how much they gave you praise on their videos from time to time. but I had NO CLUE what to expect on your channel and I have been NOTHING BUT IMPRESSED!!!!! You do some AMAZING STUFF on here and I just can't wait to se what you do next!!! :D

[@der8auer-en]

Thank you very much :)

[@aluckyshot]

Just did my first lapping of an IHS and my coolermaster tower cooler on an older I7-6900K. What a huge difference it has made, I should have recorded the changes before and after. Topping out with 300 or 400mhz over clocks at either 4.2ghz or 4.3ghz all cores with highest temps reaching 72°C. Thing used to hit mid to high 80's under full load all core testing at base boost speed of 3.9 Heck thing actually runs more like 64° with the lesser overclock. Can't recommend lapping enough if you have a wonky IHS and cooler. Should point out, it obviously wasn't just the lapping that produced such drastic results. Lapping, plus better quality thermal paste, a large fan was installed on the side of the case, remaining 4 fans were changed, 2 had their positions modified, and everything was cleaned. Still a night and day difference, the lapping, thermal paste, and new large fan have breathed new life into the old computer. If it wasn't for this channel and Frame chasers I wouldn't have had the confidence to wet sand a processor that originally set me back like 1500$ Canadian when brand new.

[@51im]

My laptop was running mid to high 70s. I just cleaned the fans and reapplied thermal paste. Now it tops out at low to mid 60s. Lapping probably has great benefits for overclocking though

[@muaries12]

The detail of marking the srew to have the proper preasure is amazing.

[@ronnie8274]

Roman, Just found your channel. I am thoroughly impressed with the products and the testing that you do. Great videos and hats off to your commitment to the PC community, cheers :)

[@tufpistol]

Another wonderful product from Der8auer and TG! Can't wait to purchase it!

[@LtCoolerooney]

that torque detail with the marking is absolutely genius

Saw this product being reported about here in sweden. Cool neat solution! I bought hermal grizzly conductonaut for the first time 2 weeks ago to bin a K6-3+ 400@616Mhz 2.175V and a K6-2+ 570@672Mhz 2.13V 24h prime95 stable for a friend plus one for me. Motherboards stopped me from going higher on the K6-2+. IHS was replaced with a laped AMD Sempron copper one because there also plated on the inside as you know, original IHS is aluminum so would melt XD Got like 4500 3Dmark2000 points with the K6-3+, think the World Record is like 5K+ cant remember, no real tweaks was used. Set a new personal new best SS7 CPU OC with that and building up an awesome mid 2000 late upgrade Super Socket 7 rigg and so is my friend! Love modern computing to (have Ryzen 3900XT for main rigg) but old stuff are fun and using modern techniques, tools and products and experience gained over the years to fix and push old stuff is just as much fun! I know you love old cool stuff to so! Anyways great products!

[@der8auer-en]

Thanks a lot and for the feedback :)

[@Dan-Simms]

Really cool product, hope to see some people's videos using these to help their overclocks.

[@ukecko72]

Excellent research, work, and your dedication to overclockers everywhere. 😎👍

[@jake20479]

round of applause for this one, Der8auer. keep up the good work.

[@MasterEdge7]

Just received mine in the mail and I am so grateful you engineered this product. I build pcs to last and this contact frame will increase the life of my cpu.

[@currentlykent4593]

Sounds like this was a fun project. Nice results too:)

[@ivovass195]

Very nice product, well done bringing a solution to something Intel apparently was too lazy to do well in the first place but it's not the first time and probably won't be the last. Keep up the good work

[@HHX_H]

I love your quick intro !

[@gajahriang]

Thanks Roman, finally got the Contact Frame and able to get my PC to run without any issues. Followed your instructions but didn't mark the screws, I did tighten the screw with just pinching my finger to the key. That's about it.

[@FixCongress]

Wish your stuff was easier to get a hold of in the states. Thanks for creating this.

[@shootloadrepeat]

They're all over amazon

[@kwisin1337]

👍 Great job guys, thank you for your effort.

[@TooManyEyesJoe]

I finally installed this yesterday and I have to say it works great. My temps have improved a lot from it When I took off my cooler before installing the frame, the thermal paste residue on the cooler was shocking. Only half of the surface area of my cpu was getting touched by the cooler.

[@dedoha8]

TIL that Thermal Grizzly is a german company, for some reason I thought its from NA, probably because of grizzly bear

[@TillRiedell]

Isn't it Roman's company?

[@youtube.really.stole.my.handle]

I wasn’t sure until I tried to order some a long time ago.. quickly realized waiting 3 weeks is part of the process. Totally worth it for high performance builds though. And also a great price

[@pilaodagua]

They are all above expectations products. 🇧🇷🍻

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

germans also name their military vehicles after the big african cats

[@BBWahoo]

Now we need an american company named Aryan AIO's

[@Mr.Thanos_]

So Thermal Grizzly is your company!!! Damn. I absolutely love your products.

[@kadlec98]

Installed the frame yesterday and the temperatures dropped 10-15 °C across all cores of 12900K! The CPU was bent a lot before, a good half of the IHS had bad contact with the cooler. Definitely worth buying!

[@sublis939]

Love seeing videos like this helping people out with such problems but then I look at Ijevin’s fix of putting some plastic washers under the cpu mount.

[@eggnorman]

This is awesome. I'm building a 12th gen rig soon (I know Ryzen 7000 is happening soon, but not soon enough for me) and I know I'm going to need everything I can get to have reasonable temperatures. That's why I'm going to be using this, lapping, a thermosiphon, industrial ppc fans, undervolting and air deflectors to get it down to the best temperatures possible.

[@clockcycle]

The contact frame works great. I always get anxiety flipping the ILM lever, felt like it took a lot of pressure to hook it down and was lopsided, but assumed "hey the engineers must know what they are doing". Lowered my 13600K temps 5-7c~ average.

[@iamdmc]

been waiting for this!!!

[@jamesmelandry3595]

I appreciate all of this effort that you put into this product, and I have always known that enthusiast go the extra mile to squeeze out every advantage they can but for intel and board manufacturers to put out a product that bends the CPU is just beyond believable.

[@o0Hotiron0o]

Another awesome video, thank you.

[@brothatwasepic]

Dear Roman. Amazing video. I have watched you for so many years years and you have helped me so much. I was wondering if one of your direct die no IHS mods would lower temperatures even more?

[@fVNzO]

This is for proper IHS contact. As is the lapping. With direct die the cooler is the ILM. In other words, there's no need to modify the mounting pressure system, it's part of the direct die solution. So, if that's engineered properly it's not a factor.

[@brothatwasepic]

@@fVNzO thank you!

[@fjgj9293]

Amazing project!!

[@AM-hm5eq]

I just built a computer yesterday using this item "Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame". Currently doing nothing but internet and watching videos at rest the cpu temp is 33 C. Please not this is what a Deep Cool AG400. I purchased that cooler as a hold over once my Noctua D-15 arrives. I will see tomorrow how hot things get when I play some PC games. Really appreciate the information on install helped me out allot. Thank you for the product!!!

[@mugglepower]

Yayyy been aware of the socket issue for months, finally my local ,I do enter had a whopping grand total of one in stock. Needless to say I ordered the thing moment I saw it.

[@ReQuiem_2099]

Would love to see a video experimenting with gains, combining die lapping, Rockit cool copper IHS, IHS/cooler plate lapping, undervolting, etc.

[@Mr.Weatherspoon]

Thank you so much for speaking the torque in Newton meters these should be torque down to. All the spec information was definitely needed.

[@rahimdamji9602]

Finally. You are awesome 👏

[@theyehsohz]

Man, I love your content, I can't watch the other tech tubers because their information is so basic. This is great stuff, yes you're essentially plugging your own sauce but I like to understand the products that I own and this is it. I hope you can hit production with all your cool machines asap

[@der8auer-en]

will try the best :) thanks!

[@LiquidHaus]

Would this new mount/frame improve IHS warping, regardless of lapping it or not? Curious to see comparisons with this mount, versus the original mount, versus the original mount w/ washers - all done without any lapping.

[@danielpickup7062]

Hi Roman - When will the lapping frame be available? Have you considered manufacturing a direct die frame for 12th gen?

[@tomb3782]

Have you thought about using some sort of spacers to maybe a locking screw to prevent over tightening? (similar to what they use for AIO's and Coolers)?

[@davidcordeiro8533]

@der8auer-en just got the contact frame and delid-die-mate and man this is quality! Seen people complaining about the price but no f reason, its all in the quality!! Good job! 👊

[@66racer]

While I am burnt out on delids, I would not mind lapping at all for client builds. Hopefully this will be easy to get my hands on!

[@stealthhydra8298]

Wera makes a ESD proof tool they call their DR95-P1460-ESD Manual Torque Screwdriver that is made for accurately determining (0.02-0.06 Nm) torque specifications which is helpful in this case as it is always good to have and use the correct tool for the job especially when you are working with determining accurate clearances and torque specifications required for proper CPU contact.

[@bearsdidit]

When will this be available in the US? So far, I've only seen it on caseking but they do not ship to the US. Thanks and excited to buy one!

[@tarnishedd]

wow, this is truly awesome

[@tdub77]

@der8auer EN Was wondering if there are any issues using this with water block coolers? Specifically I am building with the msi z690 carbon ek x which comes with a monoblock. Any problems using these together?

[@Stanislav7180]

Derbauer the best !!

[@MrHakisak]

Man, I've been checking caseking everyday thinking this was a direct die frame. I've delided with the rockitcool kit but want to see how much improvement direct die would give.

[@abrahamalviarez5870]

no way Thermal Grizzly is yours man! your products are FANTASTIC, I love the thermal pads for CPU, been using one Carbonauta with my i7 3770K at 4,7 ghz and purrs like a kitten. German tech is amazing.

[@aqulex84]

Hey Roman so where to buy that kit? Haven't found it on case king or any other side except seeing it in jayz video today.

[@GhostMotley]

How does this compare to the LZMod and Maple LGA1700 replacement ILMs? I believe the latter has silicone underneath to prevent overtightening the CPU into the socket.

[@duskyechelon]

Great product, I would buy once it's in my local store. What will be the pricing?

[@kroppsomvandling]

Thank you for an easy good cover of this amazing product. I ordered this + thermal paste from you guys. Is it worth to replace tha cooling paste that comes stock whit AIO coolers? Im thinking of first installing the bracket to and make sure it boots. And then replcase it. Couse the stock things usually dosent cover the cpu completley.

[@Zwierzak285]

Hello. Unfortunately, when mounting on the motherboard asus maxius z790 extreme i 13900k the screws turned out to be too short due to the thicker laminate. When are you going to release screws or new frames? Do you have the dimensions of these screws?

[@rodrigorochapatriotaoficial]

Hi Der8auer, how are you? I'm a fan of your channel. Can you help me? Recently I saw on your channel tests with the DeepCool AK620 and also with the Grizzly Contact Frame. I bought both, and also bought the Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal. But I didn't find any video that shows the use of Contact Frame with liquid metal in the AirCooler AK620. Do you think something could go wrong? Any golden tip to give me?

[@HUSKARINO]

Any idea on where i can get one of these from in Australia, the 2 suppliers list on the Thermal grizzly website for Australia dont have them listed, Or does Australia need more time to sell them as we seem to be behind the rest of the world

[@8DAudioPT]

What is the best tutorial for installing the contact frame to be followed? have the maximum grip with 2 fingers and then a 90º squeeze or some other?

[@haies09]

I have a z690 edge WiFi ddr4 MB and the screws ain’t long enough. What’s the recommended place to purchase the right size screws?

[@ThePowerVANO]

Hey @der8auer EN does any retailer have it in stock now? Just waiting for my 12th gen parts and I guess it will be way better to assemble the PC using Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame during first boot.

[@Tilde88]

I am having a lot of difficulty finding this. I have checked the TG partner stores, but cant find it. Do you know where I can get it, and how much? Also, THANK YOU!!!

[@ShrikeCult]

At 8:25 you say: at this state you have 0.5 to 1 full rotation left. So this means after doing the two finger tightening and after the quarter turn - there is still half to one full rotation left?

[@lip-filler-looks-rank]

any idea when this will become available in the uk? thanks :-)

[@Sams911]

so I am using this with the Carbonaut graphene .. two questions, does it give me any benefit if I double up the carbonaut layer? two vs one? Also, with regards to torquing down the frame, if one errors on the side of too relaxed vs too tight, which is worse? or are both equally bad? I'm concerned to get the correct torque.

[@behrouzmolaei96]

How tight do we have to screw the original mount if wanting to revert back to stock cpu clamp?

[@jong7258]

Hi, do the Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame and Lapping Tool come in 1 package ?

[@robmoreira91]

Hey der8auer, just got this and the screws that came with MOBO aren't long enough. What are the specs so I can locate longer screws? ASUSStrixZ790-E, I Think its 8-layer.

[@Laeknishendr]

noice! contact frame ordered

[@stevenwest1494]

Was a torque key similar to what AMD offered with the original Threadripper, not possible to manufacture? I wonder how well that tool worked under measurement? Sure looked neat.

[@analogicparadox]

I'm curious about how all these would perform with those 12th gen custom IHSs that came out recently

[@GhostMotley]

I don't think it would work for the Rockitcool copper IHS, because it doesn't have the spacing around the IHS for these replacement ILMs to grip onto.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

check out Linus Tech tips recent video about them, they are a bigger wider IHS. Thus , they wouldnt fit under/in the tool

[@chrisbreaktherules]

@@crisnmaryfam7344 god damn. That really sucks.

[@Bloodline2009]

Awesome video thanks. Do you know if 13th Gen is going to be the same socket as 12th? I don't need to upgrade yet but something to think about for a future build.

[@der8auer-en]

Same socket, yes

[@ics3s]

@der8auer can we use a 0.6Nm screwdriver? or is to much force?

[@jessegames6714]

Great product 👌

[@timgreen591]

@der8auer I have the Ek 0.60 N-m torque wrench, will that work or will it apply to much torque? I ordered your contact frame for my hero 690/i9-13900k

[@Del_UK]

The question I am asking myself is, do I need this? Temperatures on 12700K are okay, for me. Would I like to lap CPU and heat sink to match each other, yes. I guess price will be the final answer. Great information video. 🤓

[@HHX_H]

I have the KF version , i cannot OC it almost impossible because of temps

[@idbzx]

I don’t need it, but I really dislike the 12th gen ILM, so I’ll pick it up eventually

[@ClarkBark14]

@@HHX_H 12700KF as well. Per core usage scaling from 5.2 to 4.9 P's and 4.1 to 3.9 E's with a 360 aio. AVX offset drops it to 4.8 and 3.8 all core in Cinebench. Stays just under 90C there, and around 50C gaming. (Not lapped.)

[@TheTheultimateboy]

So can I install the Cooler Master sub zero aio with my 12700k using this frame? As ASUS mobos already have cutout for lga 1200 coolers, it is the socket lever that was conflicting with that cooler.

[@nereusftw]

I haven't been able to locate the lapping frame anywhere (US), only the contact frame at Titan Rig, which is hard to catch in stock. Have you released the lapping frame in the US yet? Btw, EKWB sell a 0.6 N-m torque screwdriver, although I don't think it includes the right size attachment.

[@StuartBoyer]

The frame is in stock again at Titan Rig as of 7-18-22. But I still cant find a seller for the Thermal Grizzly Lapping Tool.

[@lynxg4641]

Hey Roman, does this manual torque thing work the same between those with weak grips vs those with good, strong grips? I'm kind of thinking you didn't take that into account and it's something you can't really, so there's going to be quite the variable in mounting pressure between users, definitely more than .3 Nm.

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

No one can generate much torque on that small diameter shaft. The point is to create small, equal starting loads on all four screws. It's the final quarter turn that produces the desired clamping force.

[@ZomgZomg007]

any idea how to score this from australia? having no luck finding it

[@creativestarfox]

Are there direct die mounts/kit/frames on the market yet for Intel 12th gen?

[@Gamingtechgg]

wait what he cut his socket out, that looks fun ;D

[@Webb_Channel]

Oh Hi to All! Please tell me the best cooling for i9 12900 ks or a link to the cooling tests for this processor. Thank you for great information in the video!

[@glorfindel4945]

Hey Roman, I know the video is around a year old at this point. But will there be an AM5 variant of it? There are also contact frames out there for AMD cpus, although they do not suffer the same fate of intel cpus regarding the bending issue. Still, it would be nice to have a variant for AM5 cpus.

[@kasarnfla]

I just picked one up and I’m here to see how to get the aio bracket of Artic freeze 2 on once once the contact frame is installed.

[@Ulvens]

Could you please post a link on where to buy this, when it's available? Thank you.

[@boborbob7579]

When will these be available in the UK?

[@user-zv3hc6rj9x]

I want it to be released in Japan as soon as possible. Thank you.

[@byronfranek2706]

If the tension on the Contact Frame is 0.03N-m prior to installation of the CPU cooler, what happens to the Contact Frame tension on the IHS after the CPU Coldplate is mounted on the IHS at >0.6N-m? What happens if the CPU Cooler Coldplate mounting tension is not precisely the same on each of its four mounting bolts?

[@GingerOnWheels]

It would be really cool if the video showing how to install this piece also included showing how to uninstall the stock ILM. I feel like that's a pretty basic step in the installation process of this grizzly. Do I leave the back plate on? Do I use standoffs? Do I just screw the grizzly right into the motherboard? For such a long video it seems silly to leave out something so basic.

[@ScottGrammer]

I notice that the new 13th/14th gen version of the Thermal Grizzly frame no longer has the marks around the screw holes. So how are you now handling torque settings?

[@DNADanL]

with the 12th and 13th gen being more rectangle, should I put some thermal paste on top and bottom of the chip?

[@Nienormalny]

Does both contact frame and lapping tool supports 13th gen as well? Or is there any difference in height?

[@nyftn]

in my last build i used thermal grizzly for the first time. very happy with the performance .

[@der8auer-en]

happy to hear :)

[@nyftn]

@@der8auer-en was just watching the ryzen 7000 video. would it be possible to add a frame between cpu and cooler to make the contact area bigger?

[@vovazagach1781]

​@@der8auer-enHi, I just bought Gigabyte B760M GAMING X DDR4 + I3-13100F and Zalman CNPS9X Performa ARGB Black, but I want to replace it with I5-13400 or even I5-14400 in the future, so as I'm on 13th Gen processor do I need to install this frame?

[@lolilolplix]

Just chiming in to say thank you! I just installed the contact frame for my 12900k, and it no longer throttles!

[@TheFruitingChamber]

did you lap it to or just use the frame? i plan to just use a frame without lapping if possible i want to keep my cpu looking new incase i ever upgrade from 13600kf to 14/15th gen etc

[@lolilolplix]

@@TheFruitingChamber Just the frame, no lapping.

[@WouterVerbruggen]

The main thing why plastic cant be used is that it won't be able to sustain the mechanical loads involved here without deforming. The youghs modulus is way too low, especially for common 3D printer plastics

[@robbieride11]

Would this bend issue cause an issue I'm experiencing with my Rog Maximus Z690 Extreme as when I reboot my system it fails to boot and the LiveDash shows Detect Memory and the only way to boot is to do a complete power cycle. 3 firmware updates has not resolved the issue and I have confirmed my Memory is supported.

[@101pcgamer]

is the lapping block sold seprat? i dident get one with my frame?

[@lilman227]

I gotta add a comment here… I’ve got 2 3D printers that have a tolerance of 10 microns. That totally satisfies the 40 micrometer tolerance. That being said… I’d still rather buy the thermal grizzly part. It’s pretty.

[@der8auer-en]

that's pretty impressive tho. What kind of printers are these?

[@swft_]

That's cool and all but you don't want the contact frame to be plastic because it will morph due to the CPU temps.

[@trapunicorn3553]

I have a question, pardon my ignorance: but is this product for extreme overclocking in LGA 1700? or is it also intended to use for general use as well? I will *very soon* be upgrading to the LGA 1700 platform and am concerned that there are apparently reports of CPUS bending, which I didn't know about.

[@der8auer-en]

It's also intended for general use

[@trapunicorn3553]

@@der8auer-en Thank you very much for your response and all of your hard work, very much appreciated. Hopefully they will be available soon, as I'm extremely interested in the product.

[@reggae1xtra878]

Hi Derbauer is there any video for Intel 13th/14th Gen CPU Contact Frame?

[@caineyu0915]

Similiar product was made in China ealier, and the seller mentioned that using mental material would cause signal interference more or less, did you consider this condition also?