135lb Ottoman Hornbow Hybrid by Carebows

[@andrewsock1608]

Making a bow in one climate and shipping it to another climate to be used is probably never a really good idea.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

agreed

[@TakalBrothers]

Wow I love that you were able to fix it. Awesome stuff as always brother.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Thanks

[@HistoricalWeapons]

U too

[@Leverguns50]

I actually thought about buying a bow from him but after watching your video I don’t think I will. I had one with a slight chip out of it from daylight archery and they sent me a new one.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

wow thats good for daylite. ya these guys from carebows dont care about their bows, they ship it and run away

[@Leverguns50]

@@HistoricalWeapons Those are the kind of people I don’t recommend their bows to my viewers, i’m so glad you made this video it saves me money

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@Leverguns50 glad you like it. Would be awesome if u could share the video anywhere so others know

[@gorgonm3208]

Nice work repairing it and nice shooting, I'm glad you were able to get a decent bow out of it after all. That cracking sound it made was a little scary.

[@simonlauber9014]

I know of another person on Instagram who had trouble with carebows because of a heavy hybrid and the seller not bothering to do anything about the problem.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

wow

[@alternator7893]

Awesome repair job dude!

[@gizmonomono]

If massaging doesn't work, try kissing it 😁 That's an insane bow. Quite a looker as well. Nice job on the repairs

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Stuffing it with sticky liquids inside did the job instead of kissing

[@kmarchery]

Well, I'm thinking safety glasses was not enough PPE . With the possibility of a bow that heavy failing . I'm thinking laminated "warbow" weighted bows failing ,is more of a common hazard . Than we think . The materials used previous are not superior to current ones . The point that failure is always an option Kinda points out the complexity of the technology and techniques used to design n build these bows . I dislike this word ,but "historically" these are high technology. Depending on the glass n resin choices used by carebow it could still be labeled as such . Or the material jack used to repair it . Followed by each piece made is a unique example .since I doubt the bowyer Is cranking out 10 a day on a production line ( as jack clearly acknowledged) So glad you didn't get hurt jack Glad to see you fixed it Enjoyed the story told . N look forward to seeing more arrows fly . I will look again but don't remember the amo on the bow ,what is its length strung ?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

thanks, the length is roughly 1.25 roughly

[@UTxTheArchangel]

Unfortunate. Its a pretty bow, but I've always had suspension when it comes to bows from suppliers like Carebow. They don't really have the man power or tech to do certain productions. Its even worst when customer support from the bowyer is basically "damn that's crazy...oh well.". Becareful with that bow for sure.

[@simonphoenix3789]

wow he did not want to fix an obvious manufacturing issue and said to leave a negative review? that sounds like a merchant you should never buy from... or did you get it for free to review?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

I paid a decent amount

[@carlc.4714]

Seems to be a classical case of: "buy cheap, buy twice". Hopefully it was at least cheap. 😅

[@dsasd778]

He charges 500$

[@BibtheChib]

@David Munir $300 for a standard weight hybrid

[@jetrosangalang8071]

​@@BibtheChib 400 now 👀

[@peterxyz3541]

Always a good day when there’s a horn bow video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@simonphoenix3789]

If you go through the effort of finding, cutting and flattening a piece of horn for a bow, it seems strange to then just go and use glass when you are literally an easy step away from making an actual hornbow. I mean, gluing on a couple of sinew plates isn't that hard, although processing the sinew is time consuming. There are so many of these "hornbows" being sold now pretending to be the real thing that its difficult to tell whether its a modern replica or the real thing.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

i think naming these is the least of our concerns. im a simple man and hornbow for me is a bow with horn for the bending portion. for a historically accurate hornbow i just use the word horn sinew

[@BenRothArchery]

Your question is philosophical in nature. “Why does man create?”

[@BenRothArchery]

@@HistoricalWeapons I like that you are doing this. Educational, and interesting science project.

[@BibtheChib]

Anwar from Carebows does make classic horn bows too, but they're about 3.5x the price. It is possible that this style is highly demanded in Indonesia because of the tropical weather - it also goes to say that Indonesia is not a good place to buy a proper full naturally glued horn bow because it was made in very hot and humid weather conditions.

[@BenRothArchery]

@@BibtheChib Agreed. I have experienced this firsthand. On an inexpensive mainly-for-decoration bow. I fixed it, but it is definitely climate, as a large variable

[@rayray6490]

It was like watching a time bomb about to go off when the bowyer was going further past 30 inches on the scale

[@sigmanarchery54]

That’s to bad, but I’m glad you were able to fix it for now! Hope it holds up 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 God Bless.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Thanks 👍

[@eclipsearchery9387]

The problem with this combination of materials is the fiberglass is very stiff (resistance to stretch). The horn belly however has relatively low bend resistance. Bow making is about matching belly and back materials with similar bend resistance. A true hornbow has a wood core that gives the bow its shape. The horn and the sinew are matched almost perfectly in terms of elasticity and bend resistance. A true hornbow is a thing of beauty. It would be really cool to have you shoot some of my hornbows. I have a Turkish flight bow that is over 100#@28...too much for me to shoot in total control as a flight bow needs.

[@2bingtim]

I see your point that the bowyer was making a bow far beyond the usual range. He should've been at least concerned it was failing. Pity you didn't re-weigh it after your repair & modification. Any bow exploding is extremely dangerous & can cause serious injury. Had a bow delaminate on me(My own fault on reflection, I'd left it in the sun in a hot car for several hours foolishly), so gave it to a mate who just wanted it for decoration on the wall. Another mate decided to fix it for him but I'd not trust myself to do a decent job. When you say epoxy do you mean Araldite/similar generic epoxy 2 part glues?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

weigh about the same because the bow is fiberglass dominated and i think at most it dropped 5 pounds

[@2bingtim]

@@HistoricalWeapons Thanks Jack.

[@aburoach9268]

@@HistoricalWeapons are you sure that's a long siyah at 2:20 ?? that part is actually called a kasan because it's supposed to bend because the horn extends over it's belly part making it a working part of the limb which is the case for Ottoman Turkish bows, ming bows, Saracen bows and Tatar bows, the siyahs on such bows only apply for what's above the string bridges, or at least that's what I was informed about // But Like You said, there are also bows that look similar to this one like the Timurid, Persian & Mughal crab bows, but with those bows the entire bend part does qualify as a Siyah, because the Horn does not extend over it's belly part, making it only a Lever and not a working part of the Limb / that small difference, gives the former type of bows (turkish, ming, saracen & Tatar) an edge in performance

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@aburoach9268 thanks for the information, i didn’t know where the siyah extends from the string bridge information where did u get that

[@aburoach9268]

@@HistoricalWeapons I've had a conversation once online with someone who makes horn bows in the old traditionally manner & he told me that the siyah's are the end parts of the bow that count as extra weight, meaning if it's not bending like the limb to aid in the shot, then it's part of the siyah / in the case of your turkish bow that's only the part above the string bridges, the part below it, is the kasan which does aid in the shot and bend with the limbs Persian, Mughal & timurid crab bows don't have a kasan, because the part that looks like a kasan does not bend or aid in the shot because the horn does not cover it's belly part and therefor the entire bend part can be considered a siyah with such bows

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Definitely if the bow maker didn't want to repair it that leaves a lot to say. In my opinion, it is too much poundage for a fiberglass bow. Hey awesome shots. 👊😊🏹

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Totally agree

[@BibtheChib]

To be fair to Carebows, at this draw weight even Saluki wouldn't give warranty on bows, as well as others. Many bowyers don't have experience making warbows so they choose not to warranty their high # bows. Idk if Carebows told Jack about warranty prior to payment though.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@BibtheChib no communication about warranty

[@BibtheChib]

@@HistoricalWeapons That's a shame. Props to you for wanting to try out all the bows at high draw weights, but if I were you I would just assume 0 warranty on any bowyer that doesn't produce a lot of warbows.

[@nerhaci2074]

Luke experienced the same thing

[@dtoxxyz5871]

I got deformed asymmetric lower fiberglass bow limb when I was using 27 gram arrow on 55# bow at my drawlenth. What was the weight of arrow you were using on this bow? Also your release hand was going downward diagonally is there specific reason for doing so?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

1300 grain. So better fletching clearance

[@dtoxxyz5871]

@@HistoricalWeapons arrow weight look ok. It's bow then. They don't thread bow for better look of the bow. But for higher poundage bow it's must.

[@BenRothArchery]

On CareBows, I attempted to shoot one once, a friend got it by chance. I highlight the word attempt, as it was heavy af, but really pretty. It kind of became a competition for everyone at the public range that day to see who could pull and shoot the bow. Brought all different types of archers together in that moment 😊❤️

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Nice

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Horn belly?

[@BenRothArchery]

@@HistoricalWeapons Horn belly

[@markmendoza7459]

you did a very good job, it even looks better,no we I now better thank you again

[@dsasd778]

I like ur fair review

[@rustybow7293]

Who do you recommend for a horn sinew bow over 110#? Thanks.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

depends on which country your in. start by asking the facebook group hornbowyers as a start

[@rustybow7293]

@@HistoricalWeapons Thanks. I'm in the US. I'll check that out.

[@hectormunoz6052]

Great attitude brother . That's how to handle curve balls !

[@BenRothArchery]

When you order a bow made in a humid climate, the environmental difference of biomes and climate of other countries must be considered. This is no variable to be taken lightly. With horn component, since organic in nature, more care must be taken, even if hybrid. This is my opinion after giving it some thought.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

True. My review as you can see is quite neutral and fair. I don’t understand the drama behind atarn. Most don’t watch my videos and just assume what zack says

[@BenRothArchery]

@@HistoricalWeapons Yes I agree! It is a delicate issue but a discussion is one that probably should happen, I guess now is as good as any 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@fire_lord862 exactly and we aren’t even fighting anymore

[@gerhardheydrich3146]

Carebow hybrid bows get excellent reviews from Armin but he is shooting 45 - 55lbs draw weights. I think the issue here is that as they had not made a bow weighing as much as 135lbs before it was very much an 'experiment' and experiments can often go wrong until faults are ironed out. The glues used are modern and it is unlikely that climatic conditions would have had an impact on the bow unless the differences in humidity and temperatures were extreme - a bow in a wet bag and a hot care in the middle of summer for example might certainly cause issues with the horn. I had two Grozer bows with faults, one exploded - to be fair Grozer apologised and said that he had been trying a new type of glue and that this was the fault; the other, a true horn and sinew composite I had waited for for about 15 months arrived with cracks and holes in the horn! Give Carebow another chance, I suspect that they will have long been considering the problem that caused the delamination.

[@pyramid_scheme_termination3655]

What is the advantage of putting horn when you can just use pure fiberglass???

[@bugger6881]

Use the word hornbow permission

[@EREBO95]

supposedley smoother draw

[@jake4194]

Basically just looks and so you can say it's a hornbow.

[@niel3639]

from my own experience, I won't say its more effecient, but the draw is smoothier and there is literally no hand shock. but yes its heavier

[@VladMcMerlin]

You did a nice job!

[@faizamin7461]

Beautiful bow....and pack a punch.....shame it got problem in shipping and after service

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Agreed

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

I think the heating and bending process only works on bows made of natural materials and hide glue or fish bladder glue. I don't think that would ever work with fiberglass and modern glue.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

It depends on the modern glue. We have engineered glue that bends

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

@@HistoricalWeapons Interesting, I've been working on making a sinew backed horn bow and I've been wondering if there were any modern, not water soluble glues that would work for it.

[@iqseventy]

especially your warbow weights.. better choose natural hornbow the functional one and lot of archer in Indonesia used during competition is bettot tah bowyer but heaviest i saw at competition is 95# 🤣

[@hibahprice6887]

@@HistoricalWeapons EA-40?)

[@film57r7]

The Artificial sinew make it look like a sick patient with bandages 😂

[@markmendoza7459]

thank you the bow is beutyful but ,it shouldn't crack at all ,hopefully you can fix it

[@marcellusbrutus3346]

He did

[@stefanhansen5882]

Interesting. How much did you pay for this bow?

[@G24-o6t]

let me question sir South koreans says " our bow is perfect and world's best bow" what is the best bow of the world? sorry to bad English it's not my mother tongue

[@HistoricalWeapons]

The best bow for pure performance is a modern American compound bow

[@vfc1860]

Impressive that you can shoot it as most archers could NEVER do even half draw and with a thumb ring to boot

[@joaoz4975]

Where do you get this artificial sinew from? I can't find it!!

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Look up Amazon.com

[@jk7753]

Jesus, imagine taking your enemy out with that thing...

[@YarJarRar]

Who made this song, and what is it called?!

[@adityasuresh6607]

Are hybrid bows moisture proof unlike horn sinew bows.

[@adymasuaribinmustakip3990]

Funny that I've join Indonesia Group of archery.. They make you as a bad example of customer also for this review said you treated them with bad review hahahaha.. I'm not gonna started a fire but many of my heavy bow from Indonesia.. I've been same exactly situation as you were.. 400$ convert to Malaysia 1800$ but I don't see really bad review here bc some bow can't make to heavybow or the bowyer is new and just experimenting

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Yeah they don’t understand English and I think they don’t realize I gave carebows a neutral review, but I think they thought I’m bashing on the bowyer

[@adymasuaribinmustakip3990]

@@HistoricalWeapons do you ask them that it is safe to make their bow a heavy one? Bc that's the first question I asked beside "how much". But you're right even if it cheap but we really don't expect they send a broken one.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@adymasuaribinmustakip3990 yeah I expected it to last a few shots …not before I shot one arrow. Even still I did not give him a bad review. I gave him a neutral review

[@tengribows5533]

Unfurtunatelly all these things what happend with horn are prety common, I mean vertical cracks and presure marks. its not problem. Delamination can happend also with hornbows... BUT he did kassan eye too curved, sharp curve, thats way, its critical section.

[@geoffn1530]

I want a Turkish bow. I’d wear it everywhere I went with the arrows in back quiver or even backpack

[@Balaclavaballistics]

How did you do the epoxy wrap?

[@suetilien7293]

Can you give the warp link for the limb

[@lucascooper3613]

What is difference between bicomposite and hybrid

[@gerhardheydrich3146]

Biocomposite is a bit of a scam, it is fibreglass with some sinew powder mixed in. The sinew powder makes no tangible difference. Fairbow in the Nederlands cut up a Grozer bow and tested it to find out what it was.

[@whitebeast1827]

Where did i buy these bows

[@totosaputra6266]

I wanted to replace it with a 43 lbs bow from the start but you didn't want to pay for shipping. and you're telling me to choose between sending a replacement bow or a bad review. because you insist you don't want to pay for shipping in full, of course I choose to review it all. you buy at an economical price and you too have managed to make a review. next time you don't want to threaten a bad review.(bowyer)

[@小葉-l4l]

你是去哪裡買的？這樣一隻多少錢？

[@7othayfah18]

Is the bow for sale?

[@Dnahwjjwjejnenex]

Wow

[@afvision_]

is this old bow how did u found this

[@enigma1247]

They over stressed it then shipping it through different climates just isnt good. I play guitar and guitar necks will move as well if shipped from too far away. Weird they didnt wanna try to fix their mistake in forgetting you shoot left handed and the warping and cracking issues especially since you have a youtube channel and review stuff. I wouldn't buy from em again and find makers closer to you.

[@dang1852]

How much poundage after repair?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

about 100@28

[@yasarkutver5396]

nereden alabilirim bu nu çok beğendim satışı var mı acaba

[@Balaclavaballistics]

Would you be interested in selling that bow Jack?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Yes but keep in mind it delaminated and I fixed it but no guarantees

[@Balaclavaballistics]

@@HistoricalWeapons i would be interested in it

[@Balaclavaballistics]

@@HistoricalWeapons i only draw 28 inches

[@thormidthagahast8914]

Well then, I'm canceling my 50lb care bow order right now. Looks like garbage to me.

[@elshebactm6769]

🤠👍🏿

[@yasarkutver5396]

Fiyatı nedir

[@mehemmedkarasahin]

The best...

[@7othayfah18]

❤❤❤❤❤I want to buy this bow

[@fatboy8420]

Yes

[@marcellusbrutus3346]

Nice

[@DEDE-nc8jl]

it is made in indonesia, what do you expect

[@HistoricalWeapons]

I now think of it as DIY bow kits packaged ready to be remade

[@stevemarce1988]

💥👏🏽

[@justaturk0]

Next time buy an Ottoman bow from Türkiye 🇹🇷

[@dioimam15]

I recognize the language in the end, its indonesian 😅

[@zeck987]

Even you cant pull, leave it owner, give up

[@hilmanaceu9029]

that bow from indonesia

[@jarcok1657]

tonyok dada na gera nu kieu mah 😀

[@phawang37]

why is it unlisted

[@legntt3488]

Monster

[@aoe2_elo037]

I thought to see a spectacular explosion

[@HistoricalWeapons]

I didn’t draw it that far before I discovered the crack

[@VictorJavannn]

What a bow

[@AnkunFang]

Yep

[@langdavid6852]

Beast

[@xiaotian5863]

Whoa

[@andkonblack]

Beast is

[@busurbusur2381]

lol

[@zhangtony3372]

Lol

[@totosaputra6266]

Minta harga murah dengan dalih akan di review,,,,itu tidaklah profesional,ketika ada kerusakan minta penggantian 100%,kamu pikir biaya untung mengirim ketempatmu gratis.......kamu mungkin bisa belajar dari @armin himmer ketika totalitas jadi youtuber

[@HistoricalWeapons]

I was trying to communicate a price both parties would agree on. What’s with the hate towards me, when the bowmaker is the one that made a broken bow and shipped it

[@dhimassalafy8976]

Sudahh bang sabarr

[@rachmataditiya5035]

Review itu bukan dalih, tapi beneran direview toh di video ini, justru kalau hasil reviewnya bagus bisa iklan gratis buat carebow, yang biasanya biaya iklan sangat mahal. Tapi kalau barangnya sendiri jelek namanya ya iklan bunuh diri

[@ianuser9650]

Nice

[@siberiaacoustic]

Yes

[@markdennis254]

wow

[@bugger6881]

Nice