14/08/22. So, would I buy a new Case 125 Maxxum ?

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[@stevehunter8473]

I think second hand has to be the way to go. You could get a bigger tractor second hand, it won't matter too much if it is too big around the farm as you will still have your MXU for the home farm jobs, but you will have the bigger tractor to do the road and field work.

[@simonlinington1744]

I must admit MR P when I was given a more comfortable tractor my production went up and was not so tired at end of the day ,so I understand the comfort bit but like someone else has said if your skid broke down? so maybe good second hand is the answer ,only problem is finding one , great stuff Mr P always enjoy the vids 😊

[@themeparkkieran4573]

Problem is second hand tractors are quite high in prices at the moment

[@roba4297]

I believe your most practical and affordable solution is to keep your existing tractor, and get a good second hand unit. You said the 125 has a tweaked version of your present tractor. There is an old saying with engines, that if you create more power at the top (by using a bigger turbo to get a higher percentage fill of the cylinder, compared to a naturally aspirated engine) you need to beef up the bottom end (con rods, little and big ends and crankshaft). If your engine had enough metal in it to absorb those stresses created by uprating, then all good. If not as the old song goes:- " There may be trouble ahead" At the end of the day you said you need a more comfortable tractor for road work, and I'm sure a dealer watching your channel will come up with a suitable option. If they are worth their salt , your phone shouldn't stop ringing.

[@bencarter2334]

If I could find an mxu with those hours and that condition id be a happy man. They are the last of the great tractors in my opinion. Well built, simple and reliable. I wouldn't even consider changing it. That mxu will still be going in 20 years time. I appreciate that you are thinking of your back. Buy a new seat.

[@kieranhutchinson285]

Personal opinion the T5 ticked all the boxes and the gearbox is probably the best on the market right now 👌

[@zzirSnipzz1]

Fiat engine is hard to beat either

[@brianoregansbm373]

You can get the maxxum with very same gearbox if you so wished. Activ8 in case is same as dynamic command.

[@redlineXX]

and it has the dodgy trailer hitch

[@zzirSnipzz1]

@@redlineXX only the locking pins a good habit is to always get out an check they are lock in anyway especially these days tipping 18+ tonne trailers nothing dampen your day like a drawbar coming in the can at you no matter the brand

[@redlineXX]

@@zzirSnipzz1 if you buy a new tractor everything should work perfectly or there is no point buying it. no matter the brand. apart from that the t5 seems a good tractor.

[@tipperarymick5337]

As a matter of interest, i wonder if your front linkage would fit the t5? The engine is the same, and i would imagine the front axle and tombstone is exactly the same. Bring a tape measure the next time you are passing the New Holland dealers :) Or contact Lynx engineering, they should be able to tell you, assuming your linkage is a Zuidberg.

[@stephenwade5994]

If you are spending that sort of money then I would want something that felt more up-to-date. Like you said, the new tractor is almost identical to the old one. Seems a lot for a just a bigger engine

[@peterroff8527]

I would look in to a good second hand traktor so if get busy one of the girls can help out.

[@colmanlong1032]

Can't wait to see the kubota, but MF looks the best deal at the moment, Great honest reviews.

[@bobpaterson1845]

You had a point when you spoke about bigger engine in my opinion manufacturers are pushing too much power out of smaller cubic capacity engines which I think puts a lot more pressure on components 🤔 with an adjustment on the timing and a tweak of the fuel pump on the MXU probably get 125hp no problems 👍

[@smallsuffolkfarmer]

I'd be tempted to keep the mxu and find a second hand higher hp for road hauling and cultivation work. Maybe stick a loader on the mxu as well.

[@cheekymonkey666]

second hand T5, and keep both tractors.

[@paulblatchford4234]

Knowing that something is not right for you is a great help, Perhaps something five or so years old might give you what you want in a Case tractor, you have good value in yours with low hours, you might surprise yourself there may be a deal out there yet.

[@DerwinDSavoy-wx3qp]

Go with the T5

[@brianoregansbm373]

I wouldn’t be too concerned about the size of the implements Ian, i turned many an acre with a pz300 on a john deere 6930 as the “small tractor” on the farm at tome was eternally broken down!

[@hollandduck79]

Hello from the Netherlands and thanks for the video. Sincerely, Hollandduck

[@jameskearney1768]

that was actually a nice video with what seemed an honest review. We never think of the increase in kit size

[@peterfrebold]

.... laughing .... that's a big "But!" ...... thx for the down to the point honesty ..... thx for the share FP .. as always .. never stop dreaming, just dream bigger .. have fun be safe save our oceans ....

[@malcolmtyler2565]

Hi lan I think I would buy a second hand new holland with a loader about the same as horse power as your case and possibly get rid off your old case as well if you need a bigger tractor for the arable work hire one for a week or two a year 🤔😁👍👌

[@robswan4786]

50k and your tractor! Definitely be buying a second hand one. You've got the best of both worlds then.

[@stephenbirds5169]

I,d be stay as you are. You never know whats round the corner. Good luck pal.

[@ianhaggart1438]

There nowt easy . But at least that's one crossed off the list.. hope there more approach you for a demo because you are an unbiased farmer who's willing to try something different. Stay safe Ian 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@kevinbillany4014]

wise words mate dont let youre heart rule you head,can only mean trouble down the line,i applaude youre brand loyalty ,but just think whats best for youreself & the farm.

[@jayslife775]

As a farmer who's just Brought a puma 160... I feel your pain and admire your honesty. We've spent 10s of thousand to upgrade kit for the back of it😔

[@fearghalmoore1693]

You have made a lot of good points and 70k is a lot to spend on a tractor. I was surprised to see the case 125 maximum wasn't that dissimilar to your case 100. I would have assumed the 125 would have a lot more modern stuff on it. Compared to the Newholland t5 and 7 and the massieferguson you tested the 125 seems quite dated for a new tractor.

[@jossarmstrong9252]

Can get all the fancy stuff on one. Just a very basic spec

[@stevejefferies2122]

as my old man use to say if you cant afford it dont buy it

[@aliasdeputydog]

@Farmer P. Thank you Ian for your very honest assessment of that vehicle; and the others you have tested as well, I`m not a member of the farming community but you have my sympathy`s for the agonising decision you now have to make about a replacement, if any, there is nothing worse than operating an uncomfortable piece of kit. If I recall correctly you were sort-of impressed with the Fergie which would have come with a front loader as part of the deal although there were some bits you didn`t like about it, Chandlers were offering a reasonable deal I seem to recall. I notice from other comments that some suggest looking at second-hand or nearly new as a more economical and viable option and I don`t envy you in making that decision at all. I can`t wait to hear or see what you decide.

[@autisticpainter4079]

If I had to make a prediction I reckon you'll go the the New Holland T5 Ian.

[@julianhawker7672]

Have you costed suspension kit, good air seat, loader and new boots for the MXU ? That and some used cultivation kit to fit her would make sense IMO.

[@sullivan4610]

Maybe you could look for a good secondhand Case IH Maxxum/ New Holland between 10 to 15 years old before AdBlue came in. Keep your MXU and maybe transfer the front linkage to the secondhand New Holland/Maxxum you get and put a Front loader with SoftDrive (suspension) on the MXU. I think it would smoothan the ride on the road. Maybe there is a neighbour around you with a New Holland TSA/T6000 or Case IH similar age as your with a Front loader. If yes I would try it out. The drawback going secondhand would be the financing and Warranty. Going new you get a better interest-rate and warranty between 3-5 years depending on the brand

[@dkgraham7847]

Fantastic honest review on that tractor. And yes you got to think about the kit you have to put on it . I wish you all the best over your decision. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@bwarey52]

I'm currently looking at a similar machine to this,115 ideally. The New cost is getting out of reach for a traditional sized farmer. If anyone is afternoon one T A agri currently have a Maxxum 125 the same spec with only 300hrs in as new condition for £55k , a steal for someone 👍

[@JonDingle]

I knew that was the CASE! As l said yesterday, l would keep the MXU and buy a great used tractor instead.

[@michaelscott7128]

They are all nice tractors, they will all hold their money well. A 120bhp T5 with a powershift box(similar to the new case) will be a good bit cheaper, but a smaller engine 3.4 fpt. Everything has got really expensive. Is it 70 plus VAT. The T5 dynamic command and the massey are a nice size tractor, plenty of power. The T5 probably has a nicer gearbox, but the massey is a nice well put together tractor, and the dynashift gearbox is well established. kubota look a nice tractor. Valtra which is the same brand as massey has got a lot of traction in Ireland

[@kylegibbons470]

GO blue you were happyer with it

[@captainclarke]

I agree with what you're saying there Ian, yours plus £50k isn't worth it for what extra you'd get. You'd be better of keeping yours, and spending a few K having a new set of more modern/compliant tyres fitted, and a day spent with a valeter detailer to get her looking like new again inside and out! The other, smaller tractors from the other brands seem like a better bet, especially with the versatility of having a loader as well - if the figures are much more favorable on those, then they'd be a much better decision.

[@nigelgribble8736]

So to sum up, you can't justify a new tractor but with your hard work making videos if YT helps pay for it then why not have something you will enjoy and out a smile on your face. The T5 seems.the best even tho I'm a Massey man. As for the Case and needing bigger kit have you gone stark raving bonkers lol Sensible hat says put the money into the farm or infrastructure, even buy more land as that will see your money grow. But end of day do you want a new toy that normally you would never afford but for YT because there is nothing wrong with that so no need to try and justify it just say why not because you only live once!

[@sjoerd-jandejong8862]

The vestrum ha's a powershift gearbox to go try-out that if you have a chanse, much more comfort than that maxxum 125😉

[@homey3051]

Thanks for sharing with us!

[@raymondstevens7696]

50 grand NO, Pay Reg to bring the bales home, sit back in chair definitely more comfortable and cheaper for many years !!

[@JohntyNich]

Not sure how old your daughter or how many children you have but it if they have any desire to continue, it would be worth including them in the conversation. It will be ultimately your decision but it could affect how you go forward.

[@simongodfrey1048]

I'd buy another secondhand tractor for the hours your doing. At least you're have a back up tractor that's not costing you a fortune parked in shed.

[@mickaelbissec7178]

One of the most honest review with financial pov, i m sure you will find your next one with an other colour! 👍

[@MrDbone75]

A very good Monday evening to you all

[@JRattheranch]

Ian! Sound reasoning! Especially in today's climate! Time to wit sit tight matey and see which way the winds going to blow! Interest rates are going up! Remember the 1980's?

[@teversoncoleman496]

Good evening Mr. P. well that doesn't surprise me from what you said in last nights video I guessed that would be the outcome and as I said Case don't seemed to have upgraded there tractors. Keep looking and I'm sure you will find something that suits your needs. Looking forward to more tractor reviews. Keep well and stay safe.

[@baz4240pro]

case have upgraded their tractors they are 3 maxims in the range the ones Farmer P has There is also the activate 8 transmission gearbox same as the New Holland and cvx And they have a much nicer interior

[@raykelly9203]

Well, don't give up hope Ian, I'm sure you'll find the right balance sooner or later, even if you have to go low hours second hand, no need to get into something you can't afford.

[@markh5433]

Just get your ECU tuned on your tractor, and put cab suspension on yours, if it’s the same cab🤷👍 Also Ian, get the bonnet resprayed, fit larger New larger width tyres, which will help with the bumpy road conditions, all in all a lot cheaper than a new tractor.

[@xzekerman]

its the same cab but the 125 maxxum got bigger frame and so the older mxu dont have room for cab suspension

[@callumkemp2648]

Maybe stick to the new Holland t5 and maybe massey Ferguson 5s loader maybe

[@Lusitani74]

As someone who doesn't know a thing about tractors, both the NH and the MF seem a better investment for the future. Both seem more modern than the Case.

[@tatoshik1214]

Congrats on your new toy purchase ! )

[@stewthorne]

anyone wishing to buy a new tractor could get more help from some one like you than some biased salesman keep up the reviews

[@roba4297]

Crickley Hill Tractors at Witcombe have a Massey 5470 with loader for sale with 6600 hrs. Not too far away from you.

[@maayenshof]

Once you have experienced the convenience of a CVT, you are convinced. However, a CVT requires quite a bit of power, especially in the utility tractors. A Vestrum tractor with 130 hp and CVT feels like a powershift with 110 hp. A 200 hp CVT feels the same as a 200 hp powershift.

[@seanfahy606]

You answered your own question, the devil you know and all that. Keep your old tractor and buy a good used one. Many hands make light work

[@Kristian-NH7740SLE]

yeah buy it

[@MrTractor2]

I think that Massey Ferguson would suit you better, seems like a capable tractor for the job

[@Stevesmods]

oh one more thing remember we only live once . lifes a gamble so go for it

[@Rmc456]

The last euro auction here 12 ton diggers were back 10 grand in 3 months. Might be wise to hold off

[@nigelgribble8736]

Massive recession coming, be some cheap kit for sale 12 mths time.

[@catharinalausen6263]

You learn a new tractor operation in no time. In the end buy the tractor you like unless price is a long way off!

[@s1mon1983]

I think you'll like the Kubotas, they're good solid tractors.

[@MrSpeedyg13]

My opinion on the Case Maxxum 125 is it’s a great tractor if you had 100-150 acres minimum than it would be great. But, all your acres are spread out over various areas. The thing is with Massey Ferguson numbers you told us is the zero percent financing is your paying only for the tractor and not paying a bank or a middle man money for there services. If you bought used you wouldn’t get 0% financing and the vehicle would probably have Zero warranty left on it. I’ll never buy used vehicles because I never know how the vehicle was taken care of by the previous owner(s). I wish when I bought my truck I could’ve got a great deal like that. I would never upgrade your Case Maxxum MXU with a software upgrade unless it was done by Case because 3rd party people can’t warranty what they did and it’s all on you. Well done review and good luck on your search. What ever you do is up to you not us viewers. Just keep putting up the videos when you can and rock on.

[@johnearle6667]

Buy a really low hour second hand new Holland T5 140 , it would save you money and it’s the tractor you really liked

[@cgulden]

The answer is, you absolutely will.

[@joshjones2492]

I think u deserve a change of tractors and even change of company

[@ronanmulcahy4564]

I think you should a case 125 i really suits you. And sale other case

[@philipthompson1674]

Which Tractor comes in at the most competitive price,the MF5s seemed to be the most suited before the Case arrived, and for your own use, i see a 2021 MF5s and loader with 1219hrs on Autotrader for £78k plus vat, so it could possibly be a worthwhile investment based on that. If you consider £50k over next 5 years and youll likely have an asset worth £50k so its cost you £20k, or you spend 10k doing stuff to make the mxu more suitable, cab suspension, loader, etc, plus 5k on maintenance and in 5 years time its only worth 15k. So its cost you £20k So you're not actually losing any money by getting the new tractor vs keeping the old one. Then you factor in other benefits such as, a new tractor will be more suitable for Abbi to drive and maybe the rest of the girls or their partners, and if you have the opportunity to obtain a good deal at the moment, and can make it work finance ways, id see it as a wise investment for the long term future of the farm. Enabling you to hand over the reigns knowing that Abbi or whoever is going to have good reliable equipment they can use easily. A cheap baler, mower and rake set up and theres no reason why you couldn't add a bit of contracting as well as doing your own, so saving outgoings and making it work for other stuff, even if it meant employing someone part time to do the hours, your aim is to have the tractor earn towards its purchase cost. Or the family could be driving it if its easier, so keeping the money inside the farm to go towards other projects. Apologies for rambling on, be interesting to see what the new addition to the decision list will be lol

[@williamgreenway9893]

I think you're smart man, you're the one that got to pay for it.And second of all there's nothing wrong with your tractor ? If does everything you want it to do!

[@ianreid809]

I watched all your videos and test drives of various tractors, if it comfort you are after can you upgrade your current seat in the cab

[@johncampbell6382]

I take it then Ian you spoke to the boss your lovely wife?? Lol 😆

[@HanSoloDK]

Time for a "Farmer P" fundraiser event !!! :)

[@w056007568]

I have to say that I think (for what that is worth - very little in these circumstances!!) that this is the correct decision. Why? I do not think in these uncertain and rocky times ahead that it is a wise idea to be adding a hefty load of extra overhead charge to the farm accounts. If you are serious about needing a slightly bigger tractor the I would be thinking good but older second hand machine / using a contractor more for these specialist tasks / hire such equipment as needed OR even look into a much better quality seat for your own tractor. From what I observe the most critical machine in your business is the skid steer. Consider the number of engine hours it builds up in a year - it seems to be called upon for a wide variety of tasks multiple times each and pretty well every day. The impact of it going "Out of Service" especially for any length of time would quickly build up. Perhaps this machine would be a better candidate for replacement capital funds. Afterall talk about giving you a rough ride while using it, it seems to me to be much much worse than any tractor!!

[@Stevesmods]

ok so have both ? max and mx . im sure in near future you will buy bigger better faster implements . daughters or daughters working too . catch my drift . but still reckon puma better ahaha

[@russelljohnwalker5439]

Go blue farmer P. From Russ in hillam.

[@LocalJunkRemoval2189]

Massy all the way

[@tomcoleman1232]

as with the trials on the T5 and massey i think its a no brainer for getting one with a loader. if there had been one on teh case and you could have done a like for like comparison you would probably notice that the loader might not have been as easy to use due to the size of the bonnet. yes you could get a loader too for your case but you would still have the issue of the ride (probably worse). could you get a decent 2nd unit with 40k box, soft ride and loader for your price range while keeping the old one? you will probably notice that if you went with the massey or T5 you would be doing more hours on the tractor solely down to the loader making it more usable. chances are you would probably use it more than the skid steer. so while you are probably doing about 200hrs on the case now you could be doing 350-400 or more on a loader tractor, just another thing to take into your thinking.

[@peterobey491]

Thinking a bit outside the box, I don't know how far your farm is away from the Funky Farmer Richard, as he is also looking for a slightly bigger tractor and you say your Contractors my retire in the future is there a possibility of maybe "sharing" a tractor and upgrading to bigger equipment between you ?

[@tinkeringtaylor3053]

Really good thinking on the bigger machinery to go onto it Farmer P , keep at the company`s and about the price

[@CubejamF1]

I feel like going for virtually the same tractor is the easy option, yes... but It's a bit stagnant, no? Good to try something new and grow to enjoy that.

[@themayorofdipshittery3646]

In your situation I’d seriously consider a good nearly new/second hand tractor at a fraction of the price, you don’t do massive annual hours so maintenance etc shouldn’t be an issue. 🤷‍♂️

[@maddutchman2]

As you say, the mxu and the 125 are the same tractor but 125 is bigger. I think the 125 would be the same size if both had the same size tires when they were side by side in the previous video.

[@jeremymassey5940]

Try the after market retro kit suspension for Case it's a lot cheaper

[@jimosullivan4866]

i suggested in yesterdays video the same thing for a new air ride seat , would cost a few quid but i think its worth it

[@themeparkkieran4573]

See what prices massey and new holland can do after a few back and forth prices

[@cameronpotter7027]

Try the one below it try the case vestrum 130 horsepower

[@russellpetrie119]

case cant afford somthing else i think the t5 not a ford fan but it was right be curious on the price

[@gonk227]

To b honest p the new tractors have bigger bonnets which makes them look bigger buts there not . Like you said the 125 has the same engine an cab as yours. If i where u a clean second hand case with 1000 hours would b the job. Save 25 grand

[@charleshart6992]

Honest review

[@tony-yp6qk]

Another great video has always farmer p ian and Mrs p Sam emma Abbi and holli and miss biskit miss crumble miss gypsy miss pepper and miss pickle 👍

[@jakeluff8067]

Did they sharpen the pencil as much as the Massey boys?

[@vbconsultant]

Content suggestion... Do a video on Reg and how you work together on things. Are you renting the fields that are to be plowed or is there a cost sharing between you and him. OSR how does it go from field to store.

[@2626stephen]

More sleepless nights as i said bigger tractor bigger kit as you said then things get more expensive

[@geraldpettigrew820]

Hi if you don't buy a new tractor now you probably never will. The price is only going to keep going up. The more hours you put on your old one the less your going to get for it. Your not getting any younger and the old tractor is just going to bother you more as you age. I bought a new John Deere tractor 12 years ago and paid 17000 for it the same tractor today is over 35000 to buy. I am going to retire in a month and I could never afford to buy that tractor now. If your friend gives up farming as he will sooner or later as he is getting up in age you will kick yourself for not having what you need to till your land. Custom work prices are just going to keep going up each year. Just my thoughts but it's not me spending the money I know. In 10 years your old tractor will not be worth much but if you bought a new one you could sell it and still get a pretty good price for it.

[@daveperkins1616]

Hard decision to make Ian its a massive cost to a small family farm.

[@lukehubbard5644]

The T5 is the one but why buy a new tractor why don't you buy a new skid steer you use that everyday you cart hay for 2 or 3 weeks of the year cut a few hedges bit of topping the case you got is OK. Just saying ✌

[@justfarmingmad]

It's alot of money for a tractor that is obviously very dated if it has same cab as ur mxu. Think case need to do some work to bring that cab upto date to warrant that price tag

[@jessjames6666]

Well it a no brainer mr p front linkage can go on it you no all the controls

[@richardchapman1995]

life and comfort is well worth 70k mate .Buy it. And no you don't need bigger stuff, its just stuff.

[@MrE30]

Hopefully Ian you will get sorted out with something

[@user-rw2um8ro2p]

Great video Ian it is a nice tractor but that’s a lot of money

[@alanhughes2770]

You should trial the Farmall 120U that is more compatible with the T5 new Holland

[@HanSoloDK]

uhh Abbi being "rosted"... Looking forward to the response from her !!! :)