14. Corporal Punishment Does Not Work

[@MiraSthira]

There are not studies on corporeal punishment for 4000 years. This has nothing to do with permissive parenting, which is also shown to be harmful in child rearing. Not just permissive, but neglectful parenting where the parent pays little attention to the child and they aren't disiplined in any manner. If that's what you mean by liberal, yes this is harmful. However, corporeal punishment has STILL been linked to increases in deliquent behaviors, depression, learning disabilities etc.

[@cuchulain55]

Its been proven time and time againa through many peoples through the centuries that you can raise good children without ever hitting.

[@logansfirecracker]

Argument #6: Spanking teaches a child that "might makes right," that power and strength are most important and that the biggest can force their will upon the smallest.

[@collinpetre1998]

I'm 14 and my parents spanked me until i was about 8 and they got to slapping me. I never ever learned my lesson and I kept it up. Their is a video of me moving something and my mom hit me and i went straight back to doing it. And after a while, i just got tired of it and i hit back. They have kicked me out of the house because of that and it doesn't affect me. I think because of spanking it taught me to be rebelious and to disobey them because i didnt find it fair

[@MiraSthira]

From my perspective, choosing pieces is exactly what you're doing. Correlation does not mean causation. I suggest taking some basic research methodology classes. When you say that declining morality is paralleled with decreased spanking it's much like saying declining morality is paralleled with the cell phones, computers, woman wearing pants, or an increase in college attendance. Also, I fail to believe there's an overall decline in morality. I'd like to see the operational definition.

[@macnos]

Back in Zimbabwe our teachers were allowed to use corporal purnishment. If i or any other student were disrespectful we would get a couple of cane strokes to the ass and kept us in line. When i moved to the UK were corporal punishment is no longer used but for a few schools i noticed that the students were much more disrespectful than those back home. All the teacher could do was threaten to send them to the headmasters office where they'd just receive useless detention.

[@LadyLiberty-c8i]

Corporal Punishment is barbaric.

[@MiraSthira]

Teens wear what the media markets to them and those clothes that parents purchase. Those in charge of the media definitely seem to be changing times and marketing sex to children, and that is disturbing. And ostracizing a pregnant woman is moral? Not in my book. I'm not sure how these two things relate to spanking at all, particularly the pregnancy thing. Spanking and buying your kids inappropriate clothing are two different things. You need to prove a correlation and causation.

[@logansfirecracker]

Counterpoint: Parental power is commonly exerted in routine child rearing and spanking is only one example. Other situations where power and restraint are exercised by the average parent include: The young child who insists on running from his parent in a busy mall or parking lot. The toddler who refuses to sit in his car seat. The young patient who refuses to hold still as a vaccination is administered, or as a laceration is repaired.

[@logansfirecracker]

Power and control over the child are necessary at times to ensure safety, health and proper behavior. Classic child rearing studies have shown that some degree of power, assertion,[10] and firm control[11] is essential for optimal child rearing. When power is exerted in the context of love and for the child's benefit, the child will not perceive it as bullying or demeaning. This is the ACTUAL study about discipline and results figured by over 120 Pediatricians.

[@DonPedroRegalado]

CP didn't work for me because pain goes away. Id rather take a beating than being grounded because I cant stand sitting in one spot for an hour or two. In reality Cp wont work for everyone nor does time out, It depends on the kid and if one person turns out fine doesnt mean the next one will.

[@MiraSthira]

try reading some studies on that and study behaviorism like skinner and pavlov.

[@cuchulain55]

but not aqs likely or severe even as being hit.

[@logansfirecracker]

It is not the spanking that brings the negativity from a child, if you truly wish to blame crime on that, but it has been proven that it is the manner the punishment is dealt out with, any given punishment will have the child angry with the parent, not just spanking, it's how it is dealt out, I know my kid's will be fine because I use Cp correctly, not violently or angrily

[@Manwithnoband]

no you don't ... there is no correctly in CP ..

[@logansfirecracker]

whats cruel is what parents let their children get away with, they are to busy trying to be their child's friend and have them like them, then actually be a parent to them,News flash people, you are not your childs friend, you are their producer and raiser,spanking is a part of that, if you dont know the limit then you shouldn't do it, abuse will fall into play, if you don't know what you are doing.

[@logansfirecracker]

Raised them yes, raised them correctly, No. Some maybe, but not all, welcome in the mafia, and the gangs, and so on up the list.

[@cuchulain55]

Just to name a few, Lakota plains tribes, Navajo, Inuit, Kalahari bushmen, Pygmies, Japanese, old norse, and definately majority of most scandinavian and finnish people. The jewish Talmud,Wampanoag.

[@logansfirecracker]

Well thatis apparently not the case as mine read's 21, and I was born April of 1982, I amnot to concerned with it - - it doesn't keep me from sleeping

[@logansfirecracker]

They have the same liklihood of happening, you are just focusing on spanking right now, but all forms of punishment cause trauma, if you will, the loss of possession, isolation, verbal challenge and spanking if done wrong, all of them, it's punishment, which in itself is a negative to a child but necessary, it's that attitude you portray with any action, for any action can cause trauma to a child that doesnt understand.

[@cuchulain55]

thousand of years conventional wisdom? What these people largely are saying has has been thousand of years of conventional wisdom. Do you know how many people of different cultures raised children without ever hitting them? Many cultures of people have raised children without ever hitting them.

[@cuchulain55]

true but not as likeli as any form of hitting can have. And not in the same capacity.

[@logansfirecracker]

Again, that too is developed by the manner in which the punishment is administered, after all children can even develop problems through a mere hug or kiss from a parent, that is proven also an issue, it is in the way the action is played.

[@cuchulain55]

im not disputing power and control of course as they should be needed of course. And strict disipline and penalties and such but as far as hitting goes its never ok. It quite very possible to raise children strictly and loveingly and have them grow up well without ever hitting.

[@collinpetre1998]

As you can tell i dont agree with corporal punishment

[@logansfirecracker]

I have never seen proof of that merely theories, there is no such study that was actually founded on that basis, but you do have the rating's of doctor's, some, that agree with what you listed above, again, every child is different, I have no problems with my children, their amazing!

[@janet928]

Call me a christian if you will but did not the Good Book tell us..Spare the Rod and spoil the child? A good touch up never did any child any harm.Its part of life's education to be punished if you step out of line.

[@logansfirecracker]

Again you can not state that as it is not fact, but your opinion, you don't try and fix something that is not broken, you fix what is broken and that is abuse, spanking has worked for thousands of years, and only since this bull of no spanking started about thirty years ago, has the violence and un-healthy habbit's actually become a problem, there is a obvious statictic, that you should be able to see with your own eyes and not simply have to go on word of mouth.

[@YouthFreedomFighters]

I made a youtube video myself on corporal punishment. It can be viewed from my uploads section.

[@cuchulain55]

thats weird. I thought it told your actually age based after your birthday. Mine says my actualy age.

[@cuchulain55]

power and strengh are not the most important at all. That is horrible Chief Luther Standing bear and Astrid Lindgren would not agree.

[@logansfirecracker]

Not one subject have I ever seen for whence you argue, not one. Give me someone and I'll look into their background and see if you are correct, again there are different techniques for different children, hitting is wrong, spanking is not - - I stand true to that because it is truth.

[@cuchulain55]

thats not the point many children do turn out great but there are many who dont how can you possibly tell which ones would and which ones would not be ok with being hit. The risks are completely unnessary especially when there have always been better ways at raising kids strictly wthout any form of hitting.

[@cuchulain55]

thanks i thought my english was fine maybe youd prefer i used pidgin english instead.:)

[@RawwestHide]

@Texasjim2007 Einstein was also around, and many of the great geniuses were also around in a time where women were beat and blacks were killed for being black. What's your point? What we're trying to do here is keep the world improving. As a culture ( like one of these videos describes ) we are progressively finding ways to move from avoidable violence. That's why we have laws and due process, fines and jails now instead of the guillotine for the king's subjective reason.

[@cuchulain55]

and even they arent real, but still excellenat examples role model, Tolkiens elves and Pippi longstocking. Not to mention good peoples like Astrid Lindgren, Kobutsu Malone, Chief Luther Standing Bear, John Paul the 2nd. Plus who do think was raised better Crazy horse or George armstrong custer.

[@logansfirecracker]

Ok, first I am a woman, you can't read a name correctly or tell the difference in the meaning, another valid point proven as why you can't tell what the diff is between spanking and abuse, both my father and mother, who are still married, used that type punishment on me and my sisters, I'm not a criminal, I never did drug's, I graduated college I'm married to a christian man and have two amazing boy's, I turned out great!! and please do address what problem it is you think I have, I am curious.

[@logansfirecracker]

Are you serious, well another one for hell...write over here guy's. the bible states many places spanking is necessary, but common sense tells you that it is needed as well, people need to stop comparing spanking to abuse, they are not the same, I don't care who claims they are, they worked for thousands of years with the people before us, for your parents "pat" abuse is what you are set against, and calling out the bible is something you are not prepared to answer for.

[@logansfirecracker]

Amen to that, someone has sense, thank you so much, I am glad I amnot the only one with a clear view of smart and stupid.

[@cuchulain55]

thousand of years conventional wisdom? What these people largely are saying has been at the very least as well thousand of years of conventional wisdom as well. Do you know how many people of different of cultures raised children without ever hitting them? Tons if there have been many in the oppisatte then there have been many againest CP of children as well.

[@cuchulain55]

And even if you can raise them good vice versa then that s a relief i believe thats happend many times But the risks are completely unnessary because the childs developing sexuality and mentality is very fragile and subtle and each one is completely diffreent, And you can not possibly tell which children would be ok with it and which ones would some how slowed down and harm in their mental develoment.

[@logansfirecracker]

Again, until you are educated enough to tell the difference between the two, I think this conversation will end, I need to argue with intelligence, and no it is not by definition violence, lol, that was really dumb of you to say. I am teaching them the truth, of whatis right, and they will outlive those who are not.

[@logansfirecracker]

There is no proof of that mere opinions, but no legitimate facts, I know what this is going to set you all off, but there is none, whatsoever, I do not beat my children, when you can tell the difference like all other's over ten then please come back and respond.

[@cuchulain55]

whatever, your too young to be a parent at 21. I'll pray for you although i dont know wy I bother. but then youll just come right back and make some witty idiotic response bakc at me. And the the natual cycle of things continues.

[@cuchulain55]

bullcrap all nonsense next youll be saying the lakota inuit and navajo spank as well. And ten after after that the Winnebago Wyandot austrailan aborigines ,Swedes and Danes, nd african Pygmies did as well. Ad I suppose Chief Luther Standing Bear of the Lakota did as well too.

[@logansfirecracker]

Are you kidding me? LOL, you blew it when you mentioned Japanese, hell, they'll beat you for wearing a shirt to tight, lol, and also the Kalahari, did spank their children, but had the "wiseman" do it and not the parents, he would come once a week adn would be informed of the "cutuck"'s misbehavior, the child questioned, and then he would have to go get his own stick and have the "wiseman" beat him, on the back, until "WM" saw fit the amount, this happened to adults as well, you should study up!

[@omgtaylorswift01]

@Jujichan006 there is another video posted by this user titled "denial--i was spanked & i'm ok." i think that would be a good video for u.

[@rugbynimbus]

Something no "expert" has been able to truly answer: Why is it that corporal punishment worked so well before, was truly effective and served its purpose with previous generations, and now no longer does so? You fucked up, you got spanked, you were told why exactly you were punished, you learned and moved on. Do it early, do it quickly, reinforce the action-consequence connection, don't threaten it if you're not going to follow through. Tah-dah. Stop being friends, start being parents.

[@Manwithnoband]

lol ... wrong

[@Person-ef4xj]

It didn't work well before, the negative effects were just not well known as science was less advanced.

[@logansfirecracker]

I agree that we are at a stand still, and I have bnot created a page for youtube, there are randomly picked numbers many time's, as I have seen some home pages with the age at 103, for an example, again we will both believe what we believe, I have my proof and you have your's that's never going to change, only difference Is I have experienced it with kid's, and that is how I make my assumption, again, I wish you a good day.

[@logansfirecracker]

Oh, amazing argument on your part, running low on crap to spit out, or are you stalling to think up more of the same crap?

[@TheAnonymous916]

U.S. is a joke when it comes to corporal punishment. Today, we have brats running all around in our schools, streets, and are bullies. Teach the children young to respect their elders with corporal punishment, they will have a better understanding that they cannot be a brat. Corporal punishment in countries where it is allowed, students are respectful and courteous to teachers, elders, and peers.

[@scarjon1354]

porky5567 exactly

[@Manwithnoband]

you are the exact problem ...

[@cuchulain55]

its not just inflicting any form of pain on a child thats wrong but any formm of enforced impact as well. The only time it might be ok and even this should be avoided as much as possible is is you give themm nothing more then an extremely light touch tap pat fully clothed which has the impact of a shoelace. Like the jewish talmud says.

[@SlashCoolSlash]

does any1 agree that corporal punishment should be banned EVERYWHERE??

[@logansfirecracker]

Thank you very much, you just agreed with me, I dont think it does that at all if performed correctly, so therefore you have just pro'ed with me on a case that anti- spankees use all the time/ some as the main point/ "I hit to get what I want" when that is not the case at all, thank you.