@@frozengamer3030 like all of the healthcare in germany 🙏🏽
@CoquiDeBoriken Жыл бұрын
Therapy tends to encourage this unhealthy behaviour nowadays
@kierenalvarez Жыл бұрын
@@Ortroton2024 Must be low quality service by the look of this!
@deeppanpizza4847 Жыл бұрын
How can Jessica Alves be an idol for anyone? Crazy
@Rebecca_Bailey Жыл бұрын
I thought that? Jessica Alves an idol? No
@noudjer5444 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@CrazyLady-NoCats Жыл бұрын
I could never intentionally draw this much attention to myself. - An introvert
@ananimity7332 Жыл бұрын
Same
@Rebecca_Bailey Жыл бұрын
One of the worst things I could imagine is everyone staring at me
@Frag_Limit Жыл бұрын
Brain HAS left the chat
@deagogl2843 Жыл бұрын
I see what you did there.
@chinchillamdgamer Жыл бұрын
Can you edit this so it says “brain HAS left the chat”? Thanks
@ivychiew263 Жыл бұрын
😂
@sabinemuller2788 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@bostonlatina Жыл бұрын
He was just on Botched. They denied him any more work
@skittlesx323 Жыл бұрын
That was me on botched babes
@nursecalista Жыл бұрын
@@skittlesx323babes 😂
@Boricua..4 Жыл бұрын
He needs help not anymore work 😂😂
@Cersilaria22 Жыл бұрын
Yep it’s confirmed I’m on a completely different planet and timeline to what I started with 😂😂
@HarryFrost-qu8th Жыл бұрын
I don’t agree to plastic surgery but hearing how they are both scared to walk out alone in public is heartbreaking. They are very nice and their personalities are wonderful.
@beendatgworl Жыл бұрын
Plastic is one thing but botched is crazy
@whelkpeopleofdoom Жыл бұрын
Ah, the classic "jealous" defense lol. The last bastion of hope for people who have no defense against criticism. That said, they're adults and they can do whatever they want with their bodies! We don't have to "get it." I just hope they are healthy, physically AND mentally.
@hustlehustlehustle Жыл бұрын
They are most definitely not healthy. Someone who undergoes radically intrusive cosmetic surgery in such excess to look this grotesque cannot be mentally healthy, almost by definition.
@shaleececarter6570 Жыл бұрын
Healthy physically and mentally? Do you not see the mental struggle here? And physically.... are u serious? Heck no filling themselves with toxins n sht no. I'm a realist🤷🏽♀️ but I do agree with everything else u said I liked the comment. But that last part🤦🏽♀️ the irony...
@solo-mons Жыл бұрын
@@shaleececarter6570they meant they hope that as well as being physically healthy, that they're mentally healthy. Aka. They're concerned about their mental health.
@Boricua..4 Жыл бұрын
@@shaleececarter6570 I agree
@r.r911 Жыл бұрын
So sad... People will do anything for attention (but afraid of going out in public due to constant teasing). They're so hideous... All I can say.
@KK-xt1oh Жыл бұрын
Do you really think it's just teasing? They're afraid to get beaten up. And I think it's sad that people would do that to them. They seem to be kind hearted.
@UnstableYT-u7k Жыл бұрын
Why do so many guys nowadays want to look feminine?
@monkayjim999 Жыл бұрын
Population reduction, if men become women and women become men then less children will be born..
@Iknowyoumadnow Жыл бұрын
Cause women want to be men
@KrystleVoss2013 Жыл бұрын
Bc they can't make it as real men maybe.
@noblevictory2200 Жыл бұрын
Liberalism
@Iknowyoumadnow Жыл бұрын
Cause wHaomen want to be men
@uwiblue Жыл бұрын
💝 They should marry, have lots of plastic babies, raise unicorns and live happily ever after in Barbie’s pink universe!!! 💞
@f.s.firdaus8106 Жыл бұрын
What is this? Animal Planet?
@brownbagz Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@mercurique Жыл бұрын
They actually think they look good..? Lord have mercy
@Trippydog1019 ай бұрын
Honestly, they’re not hurting anyone, theyre not pressing their opinions on anyone. We might disagree, and there’s definitely some underlining psychological things going on. But no one deserves to be scared to walk outside.
@Moonie_MonRozE Жыл бұрын
The pain meds got them feeling themselves 😂
@koridigman510 Жыл бұрын
I think that if you have the money to support your look goals then go for it. Just please weigh the risks! Live your life and be happy. Always let your heart shine through and be the best person you can be! I wish more people supported and wanted everyone happy in their life!
@runesdt9175 Жыл бұрын
The kindest comment I've seen in a while! Thank you (๑•ᴗ•๑)♡
@Witchfoot.Incorporated Жыл бұрын
It’s INSANITY that 2 people have to avoid going out in public bc it’s dangerous for them.
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
It's insane that a doctor would mutilate them to the point where people would ridicule them and enable mental illness for profit. Remember, this was their choice to look this way. This isn't like someone being born with a deformity.
@Delicate_Disaster Жыл бұрын
Just two? Just these two specific people? Not all the millions of black, Asian, and indigenous people that have to be careful and hide? Not the millions of Muslim women? Just these two people who chose to mutilate their bodies and are desperate for attention? Really?
@galaxsee Жыл бұрын
Germany is safe. It's because they can't cope with peoples reactions and reallity check, but that's something that comes in package if you do this to yourself.
@ViktoriaEvans Жыл бұрын
I love how positive and hilarious you two are 💜
@UserName-iq7uu Жыл бұрын
Is this the Halloween edition for the holiday coming up?
@Mark-mu4pj Жыл бұрын
Yeah 😂
@ForYouToRead-h1y Жыл бұрын
Lol!
@alanwisdom7777 Жыл бұрын
Plastic surgery can be fabulous, when it's used the right way, to become a better version of yourself and not a parody in SNL sketch🤣
@Velocirascal Жыл бұрын
I fully support what they're doing because it doesn't affect anyone but them. Personally I'd never want to look plastic but beauty is and has always been subjective (just look at 80s hairstyles). Yet when I see someone who was 20 in the 80s and never let that bad hair die, it doesn't bother me at all because it makes them comfortable and I don't have to do it to myself soooooo....what's to dislike? There's a difference between not understanding something and just being plain hateful and mean. I'd hang out with these two any day (gladly) before I spent one second of my time with a mean spirited person who hates others for being different.
@Ortroton2024 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@shade247 Жыл бұрын
Uh it’s a dangerous trend so yes, it’s very different than your standard trend. Your “judgement free” attitude is honestly just dangerous. What if your child did this to them self ?
@fullmoon77699 ай бұрын
Я не поддерживаю психические заболевания. Им требуется помощь. Это ментальная проблема.
@_expired_milk9312 Жыл бұрын
This is why Aliens will never communicate with us.
@israelglymph211 Жыл бұрын
I love their energy lol 🩵
@KK-xt1oh Жыл бұрын
I love how kind and positive you are.
@NetiNeti-gm5bz Жыл бұрын
Theyre such gentle souls, why would anyone make them feel uncomfortable in public? They can brighten your day/ night with their outfits. They deserve hugs and compliments instead
@ForYouToRead-h1y Жыл бұрын
😂
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
They're shallow vapid materialistic creatures.
@Doodoomaister Жыл бұрын
Are you high?
@thembyclare1321 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@missvida6251 Жыл бұрын
I agree! Such humble sweet beautiful things! Look at their beautiful faces? Aren't they easy on the eyes???! 🥴
@christinejang2462 Жыл бұрын
People will always be people. Be who you feel most comfortable and happy. Don't let anyone dull your shine.
@miriamajamnicka7844 Жыл бұрын
this is my favorit comment i couldn't say it better thank you ❤❤❤😍
@KhaosNeutral Жыл бұрын
The dude with the wig looks like alien 😂
@JG-zb4mz Жыл бұрын
Which one is wearing a wig? I can't tell.....
@momof4kids735 Жыл бұрын
I want to be able to say whatever makes them happy, but I don’t think it’s like that with these two. All of that money to look like what? Plastic? Self esteem should never have to be purchased like this, and definitely not on an ongoing basis. What a waste of an inheritance 😑
@peutasteri7059 Жыл бұрын
I'm not jealous.. I feel just sorry for them.. They have many mental health issues and they aren't aware of that
@ivyrose779 Жыл бұрын
No matter what your opinion is about what they look like, they should be able to go into public without being harassed or harmed.
@Sarabella68 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
False. Bullying is what stopped things like this from happening. Nobody will tell them they look awful so they just keep going with it.
@adab.3681 Жыл бұрын
@@Pax_Mayn3 But why do you care about awful looking people existing? Just let them exist however they want. It's not harming you.
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
@@adab.3681 Wrong. I have to look at them and share this planet with them. Normalizing this could have an effect on my younger family members and young people in general so I will speak my mind instead of enabling mental illness. This was a choice, they looked fine before, they must be shamed and ridiculed so others don't ruin their lives making the same mistake wanting attention from yes men such as yourself. What makes you evil, is that you really believe you're the good guy here. If somebody starts cutting off fingers, and everybody tells them "wow so stunning and brave, slay girl!", and they continue to cut off body parts to keep getting attention, that would be a good analogy for what's happening here.
@irababystwo Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree.
@salifyanjikunda5426 Жыл бұрын
I see the short haired guy going trans very soon. With Jessica Alves being an inspiration, the chances are very high. I respect the other one for being proud of his gender, something he has been affirming each time he appears on this series
@jenniferryburnsart8598 Жыл бұрын
Why is there so much judgement in the world? If someone wants to look a certain way then that is their business. Bullying someone is never ok. If you don’t like it, then you don’t have to look. They should have the freedom to go places and not be afraid.
@Nursegirlalexandra Жыл бұрын
If you look like this, then you’re asking to be judged.
@jenniferryburnsart8598 Жыл бұрын
@@Nursegirlalexandra NO ONE deserves to be judged for their looks NO ONE! That is just pure bullying period!
@tasvapontaranne6373 Жыл бұрын
In certain mental states a person cannot stop and get hooked up on surgeries and injections. In these cases, they need help not bullying.
@LittleRayofSunshine69750 Жыл бұрын
At least they know they are men!
@tomsmith6379 Жыл бұрын
They came straight from the Hunger Games
@xxdjsolomanxx Жыл бұрын
Everyone is their own unique person, we all grow up differently, have different views and opinions on everything. Sure, this is definitely outside of what most people consider normal, and a bit out there, however, its a big world, lots of people, i dont see an issue with the eclectic. As long as noone tries to force any of their beliefs or ways on me, live and let live. It doesnt matter if i agree with what others do or not, its not my life to live, i have my own life. We all share a pretty free life, so, we can choose to just avoid the things we dont agree with. Its that simple.
@missindie9204 Жыл бұрын
I can assure you both that I am in no way, shape, or form jealous.
@nicolemarie6659 Жыл бұрын
Why don't they date each other...
@Catsarecool-s5v Жыл бұрын
Those cheek bones are sharper then the nail shape I typically get….😂
@A-n-n-a.1676 Жыл бұрын
“We must keep both our femininity and our manly strength”.😆😝
@fatonyalmitchell3281 Жыл бұрын
Not 🚫 at the same time 🤣😭
@theanonymousnobody8509 Жыл бұрын
What's wrong with that, Annie?
@A-n-n-a.1676 Жыл бұрын
@@theanonymousnobody8509 Everything and nothing at the same time.🤭😜
@theanonymousnobody8509 Жыл бұрын
@@A-n-n-a.1676 it's just from your perspective 🤭🤭🤭😜😜😜
@ForYouToRead-h1y Жыл бұрын
No thanks...I am not into chin hair
@tifalorenzo1217 Жыл бұрын
I think u grandfather if he know what s can happen with his money he be crazy 😅
@Ortroton2024 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@nofx77j3 Жыл бұрын
You guys seem pretty cool. I’d watch a show about you both. Good luck.
@rachaeleigh Жыл бұрын
I just say before you go to far think about the risks. As someone who has also watched the videos on when plastic surgery goes wrong and what people have to do to get better.
@dcookoo8 ай бұрын
They’re my idols.. plastic queens ❤❤❤❤
@KonaSounds Жыл бұрын
People who do extreme surgery, look similar.
@KCon8111 ай бұрын
PLEASE HAVE A REALITY SHOW, OR MAKE CONTENT ON KZbin! I will watch you guys all the damn time!
@Scifi4life Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry Germany.
@Mark-mu4pj Жыл бұрын
Very weird but good luck to them in the future lol
@shilpam85 Жыл бұрын
They have the resources to do whatever they do to make them happy, without hurting others, so why the hate? Honestly, they seem like amazing, fun people and good human beings. I’d love to have friends like them who genuinely care about each other and care for their friend.
@chinchillamdgamer Жыл бұрын
Because there is a line as to what normal faces shape have. That’s why people get upset. This is sorta the same thing as the vampire lady or the man who wants to be a dragon.
@mohammadangginugrohomcjogja Жыл бұрын
Can we say the same to models or bodybuilders? They are disciplined. They dedicate their lives for fitness. Yet, now, in this "body-positivity" era, they are called toxic for setting unreachable body ideals.
@willowknown Жыл бұрын
@mohammadangginugrohomcjogja bodybuilders work to get their bodies and models are natural, well most of them. Point is as they said there is a line between regular face re-shaping and looking like a literal donkey
@mohammadangginugrohomcjogja Жыл бұрын
@@willowknown donkey 😂😂😂
@suchapaula Жыл бұрын
It’s sad that those guys would even get attack because they look different .
@Rashy225 Жыл бұрын
At least they don’t identify as women.
@Iknowyoumadnow Жыл бұрын
It's the deceiving transformers who are the problem
@theanonymousnobody8509 Жыл бұрын
Said someone with profile pic from Steven Universe 😂
@Rashy225 Жыл бұрын
@@theanonymousnobody8509 yeah, I know. Pretty ironic lol
@theanonymousnobody8509 Жыл бұрын
@@Rashy225 I would say "hypocritic"
@cystgender Жыл бұрын
@@theanonymousnobody8509liking a form of media doesn't mean you have to agree with everything about it.
@ashleybaker6036 Жыл бұрын
It’s sad this world judges others just because of who they are & that’s cruel & hateful!!!! They’re NOT HURTING anyone so to those who are JUDGING anyone STOP!!!! You (2) are BEAUTIFUL as you are💜💜💜💜sending MUCH LOVE from VA in the USA💜💜💜💜
@threestans9096 Жыл бұрын
actually it does hurt people when people like this get kids and manipulate and abuse them. these are truly mentally sick individuals and its sad you promote their illness. do you tell schizophrenics that the voices are real?
@ForYouToRead-h1y Жыл бұрын
You are apart of America's decline. Thanks
@ropesanddragoneggs8494 Жыл бұрын
@@threestans9096Woah false equivalency fallacy. Assuming they even want kids, you're assuming how they will be based on appearance. Schizophrenia is not the same thing. Big L right here.
@mohammadangginugrohomcjogja Жыл бұрын
Can we say the same to models or bodybuilders? They are disciplined. They dedicate their lives for fitness. Yet, now, in this "body-positivity" era, they are called toxic for setting unreachable body ideals.
@justaparps8088 Жыл бұрын
This actually heavily hurts people outside of western Europe, especially gays and transsexuals from those countries or from religious families. Image and representation strongly affects how their families and societies accept them. The difference between their families seeing trans women who are (looks, voice, thoughts and mannerism wise) like normal women vs them seeing people like these had a giant effect on their families and societies acceptance and in case of some countries it's a matter of life or death. ~ Transsexual from Eastern Europe
@milk7274 Жыл бұрын
Blowing Alves ego up I see
@elizel90 Жыл бұрын
People should start getting evaluated before getting work done, theres no going back once going under the knife
@lilylee5924 Жыл бұрын
Do what makes you feel good about yourself. We are who we are. They look so good on that photo shoot!
@this_is_NOT_a_test Жыл бұрын
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor coveters, not drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 John 5:20-21 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Dear children, KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS.
@elpinkhombre Жыл бұрын
Jeffree Star and Stephanie Brite at home.
@kjdnyhmghfvb Жыл бұрын
I want to look fake and plastic...I mean at least they are honest, and that's respectable
@cheyu65 Жыл бұрын
I want to be their friend, they are so cool and they seem to be very sweet person
@ninarainbow8 ай бұрын
"I want to be like Jessica Alves, fake and plastic a lot".....Parfect as always...What a nice and beautiful compliment you gave, I recognize well here, that kind of compliment that people can receive from others, in this LGBTQ community....🤣🤣🤣
@100deadinside97 ай бұрын
This is a perfect example of what being trans is and isn’t. Some people may say Patrick is a woman because he’s so feminine looking, but he was born male and doesn’t have a problem with that. Therefore he is a man. It doesn’t matter what you look like, if you are born one sex and don’t have disconnection w it, you’re not transgender. Masculinity and femininity don’t affect that
@lisacolledge7624 Жыл бұрын
To each their own, i fully support that. However, i will never understand the big lips, the desire to be, as they say, 'plastic'. It's very hard to balance when people have 'go fund me' up for a young mums funeral at 35, who gave birth 12 days ago. She had brain cancer. How on earth do we fix this world.? 😢❤
@AR-gg2su2 ай бұрын
What is sad is that people might hurt them just they don't like their look. That is scary
@velmaphillips9934 Жыл бұрын
Honestly i dont judge if you want to dress and look like this then go for it i support! ❤
@r.r911 Жыл бұрын
You're what's what's wrong with the world today - accepting what's not OK /normal.
@twilightexposure8431 Жыл бұрын
@@r.r911what's "normal" is different for everyone. Bro HUSH LMAO
@tacarlathomas2583 Жыл бұрын
@@r.r911they never denied the fact that they are men
@AmuroGermany Жыл бұрын
Just like Jessica Alvarez one, my nose almost died off when I saw them 🤯 But seriously, he works as a car dealer?🥵 I would be scared buying a car for him
@KrystleVoss2013 Жыл бұрын
His grand dad rolling in his grave sadly
@katerynabenson8078 Жыл бұрын
Oh, btw Jessica Alvarez practically lost her nose and has breathing issues
@monkayjim999 Жыл бұрын
I remember watch a documentary about what is happening to people... I think it was called idiocracy 😂
@zombiekitten1 Жыл бұрын
I watched it last year and thought was this funny years ago because it's pretty real to me today ..
@monkayjim999 Жыл бұрын
Yes it is definitely predicting what our future will be like if nothing changes 😑
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
@@monkayjim999the future? We're already there.
@monkayjim999 Жыл бұрын
@@Pax_Mayn3 I'm afraid you might be right 😅
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
@@monkayjim999 We are. People literally watch shows that are pretty much just butts. Onlyfans, IG, etc. Donald Trump was on WWE. Everyone has 50 IQ. Everyone eats slop. People still drink water I guess. Replace Costco with Amazon. Doctors are useless. ETC. Were there.
@foo9877 Жыл бұрын
They’re super cool. I want to be like them one day. Mind you, I don’t want to have as much plastic surgery but I want to be like that, just free and happy and looking cool and loving their look
@hustlehustlehustle Жыл бұрын
That's a facade. Being a junkie (to plastic surgery) is the opposite of freedom. Someone who is happy and free doesn't feel the urge to do this, let alone pursue that urge to such an extent.
@foo9877 Жыл бұрын
@@hustlehustlehustle look, at the end of the day it’s just their hobby. They aren’t “junkies” for having plastic surgery, just as someone who collects a lot of Lego or gets a lot of tattoos or collects stamps or wears all clothes of one color. It’s all just hobbies. Their hobby just happens to alter their appearance
@hustlehustlehustle Жыл бұрын
@@foo9877 that's a false equivalence. There is definitely a pathological dimension to radically and permanently altering one's body through medically unnecessary surgical measures, especially when the objective is not to get rid of disfigurements, but to become disfigured. That requires enormous levels of body dysmorphia. It's like saying cutting yourself is a hobby.
@lotussong1 Жыл бұрын
I’m all about diversity and inclusivity, but when it comes to injections,plastic surgery, etc., less is more. Personally, I’d never get plastic surgery. It’s expensive, risky, and I’m sure very painful. I’ll stick to skincare and cosmetics thank you.
@davinamvijayakumar3780 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Both of you look cute together...
@Pax_Mayn3 Жыл бұрын
They look like horror movie monsters.
@Putta_Pie4568 ай бұрын
@@Pax_Mayn3like you, Blood_Mac?🙂
@boogiemonstermom677 Жыл бұрын
You know that was a cameo of Jessica, don't lie 🤣 jk. That's whatnit felt like though lol
@johnfernandez2060 Жыл бұрын
“Don’t you think I look great now”…. Ummm NO!! The fuuuhh
@Stina6266 Жыл бұрын
You could of fooled me 😂
@julijajelic2953 Жыл бұрын
This happens when brainless, useless and bored people inherit too much money.
@kekeletsokhati1075 Жыл бұрын
So sad that they can't walk the streets free
@Delicate_Disaster Жыл бұрын
This is feminine to them!? How!?
@educator8236 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this is the definition of body dysmorphic disorder.
@manilograniglia Жыл бұрын
An asteroid NOW please!!!!
@missvida6251 Жыл бұрын
No one on earth is jealous of these things!
@mbelamukamisa2229 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha it's the so today we are going for a photoshoot excitement that got me laughing...I like them they are funny
@friendlyfire4178 Жыл бұрын
They are in such misery
@threestans9096 Жыл бұрын
people like this drove me to christianity.
@fd5927 Жыл бұрын
Why is It that it seems to be a trend now in Germany for some individuals to blow up their lips to twice their size as so not to be able to eat or speak properly. The film "The Human Centipede" was a Dutch film, written and directed by a Dutch man, with, the protagonist as a German sadist... why is the practice of human disfigurement more popular in Germany and Eastern Europe of late, to the point where for some people it becomes harder to eat and defecate normally. Granted our actions as humans are all cerebral and such, is difficult to judge someone on their actions but when it interferes with bodily functions I question humanity.
@NieceyWeesey Жыл бұрын
I like the fact they still have normal jobs
@riarealness11 ай бұрын
Patrick Mast looks like Teddy Perkins. 😂😂😂😂
@therealkamp Жыл бұрын
Plastic. Iconic. Beautiful. Amazing....... i dont think those are very discriptive words.
@ivychiew263 Жыл бұрын
"...I wouldnt recommend it for everyone who looks like us". Just how do you think you both look, please?
@Therealcomments2024 Жыл бұрын
Shame on these doctors. Why are they doing this!
@TheManiacBat Жыл бұрын
Ahh.. Jessica is the absolute best and the queen. I love her and I would love to meet her and both of you. You are all just so awesome. Keep doing you babes ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
@tasvapontaranne6373 Жыл бұрын
The long haired person slightly overdid it... hope it won't affect their health and appearance in the future.
@theladykaybee Жыл бұрын
Haters gonna hate. Most of the comments sound jelly of your monies to me.
@yourlastfoe Жыл бұрын
They could've saved a ton of money by just playing in traffic at night while blindfolded.
@JanetChildOfGod Жыл бұрын
Jesus Still Loves you, No matter WHAT you have dun
@yurif4n Жыл бұрын
im noticing a pattern 🚬
@marciabernard3820 Жыл бұрын
Y not used the money for counseling
@Iknowyoumadnow Жыл бұрын
And meds 💊
@kekeletsokhati1075 Жыл бұрын
I can't even afford 24, 000 rands for my studies😩😩😩😩😩
@DenizOzay Жыл бұрын
jak można z siebie, ładnej osoby zrobić paskudztwo?
@Ellie80681 Жыл бұрын
I love his nails 💅 ❤️
@carolynsweetASMR Жыл бұрын
I want to know where do these people get the money for all of this!