15 Commander Cards Everyone Should Own (& Best Prices to Get Them) | MTG EDH Finance

[@kellysereda4961]

The problem I see with suggesting a newer player add these powerful heat scores to their pre-cons is unless they also have a deck to back up an early Mana Crypt or Smothering, they'll put themselves on everyone's radar to their own detriment. There is inherent risk to stealing power from the table with these cards. Alternative video suggestion: 15 cards you can add to your pre-con that do work under the radar.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Good notes. Thanks for your thoughts on this one.

[@kellysereda4961]

@@JakeandJoelareMagic Cheers! Always enjoy your content.

[@blindey]

That was kinda my thought too. Another one was "Cards for EDH players with money to burn." Who's gonna buy a mana crypt if they're jus buyin' a precon for 40 bucks? Mana crypt is...100 bucks or so rn? I'd much rather suggest that they'd buy 5-10 other cards rather than the mana crypt.

[@jordanhansen5934]

@@blindey not to mention that there are some players (such as myself) who hate cards with gamble effects and effects that burn you each time you use them. I've seen playthroughs where the controller keeps failing the coin flip and burning themselves every turn.

[@chancecarlson2023]

Yeah..but they're played for a reason no? Usually people understand they'll be targeted and have a response prepared anyways. When you're playing high level edh these cards become staples because of how they influence games

[@benmeaige4306]

Wow. I thought this was an independent channel. But now I see Big Mana has gotten to you…

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

omg this is the most underrated comment

[@sanctred]

Lol

[@dizzlegrizzle1919]

wow..never seen this list a bazillion times. how original guys...

[@timtauber5557]

A decent starting list for a commander player with money to burn. Now let’s see the best 30 cards to acquire that cost $5.00 each, or less. Emphasis on mana rocks and mana dorks.

[@notapplicable6985]

Thran dynamo is great

[@rotemizhar8426]

the base for every deck, every fetches shock, and dual lands, and all of the good artifacts: mana crypt mox diamond, sol ring, lotus petal mox opal, chrome mox, mana vault, and arcane signet

[@stephentrever1769]

This list tells me that the boundary between EDH and cEDH is getting fuzzier by the day.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

For sure, especially with card choices. However; that line between the two is best established by the player or playgroup. These cards aren't necessary to enjoyment of the game

[@regaleagle6533]

You don’t need any of these cards unless you are playing cedh. So I disagree on the blurring. In fact if people’s cards ARE packing with these and they claim they are playing casual they are probably lying hahaha

[@danielkuttel7867]

@@regaleagle6533 Or people are not really aware of how "disruptive" the cards are in a "fair" game. Unfortunately, other KZbin channels are also arguing about this. The line between EDH and CEDH and saltyness is sometimes very narrow. In the end, I am of the opinion that if every commander game lasts 2 hours, then something goes wrong.

[@AbyssArray]

@@danielkuttel7867 More often than not, my commander games start around 9:30, usually concludes around 11:30 or so if someone doesn't just take off in the early turns

[@danielkuttel7867]

@@AbyssArray holy moly, then you and the other should discussing about different win conditions. Its ok if everyone has a win condition that needs a little time to set up. I think my biggest problem is, that when a match is longer as 2 hours with 3 other players, then its getting really hard to track all triggers in upkeeps or have the knowledge about the synergy on the board.

[@diggerdog9205]

You run these cards, you'll win more.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

that's the goal!

[@DylanHilliard1]

Terese Nielsen is one of the best MTG artists!

[@SourWeezle]

God damn Ikoria Collector's Packs were the best! I opened ONE freaking box and got EVERY triome full art (4 of 5 were foil) 2 fierce Guardianship, 1 deflecting swat, and a ton of other great stuff. And I got a double Mana Crypt Mystery Booster Box! OT for the video! Great list, loved the mix of old and new. Do a top 15 for each color!

[@kennethdixoniii4113]

The livestream last night was dope. I thoroughly enjoyed watching.

[@kennethdixoniii4113]

It was a chill time and Chicken Richard always gets good pulls. What is up with that guy?

[@mcfuddy2520]

Dudes got a horseshoe up his arse

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Thank you for spending your time with us!

[@morwen12o]

in my opinion mana crypt keeps going back up because they make them either chase cards in collecter boosters or stupid rare. I think they should ban it or bump it down to rare. as it stands 200$ ish is way to much and when u do have someone who has it the game just isent fun anymore.

[@Fenen24]

What a strange video recommendation considering the recent bans.

[@JoycenatorGaming]

Having cards that can compete with reserved list power level is so good for the game. Most of us will never be able to acquire those old cards, we can open, trade or get reprints of the newer ones

[@AbyssArray]

[ ] Mana Crypt [x] Dockside Extortionist (from C19, my first commander deck) [x] Mana Drain (bought) [x] Vampiric Tutor (opened from Commander Legends) [ ] Enlightened Tutor [x] Great Henge (took me a while to pick this up, I wasn't really working when this set came out) [ ] Necropotence [x] Sylvan Library (Commander Collection Green - got it as a gift for Christmas) [x] Demonic Tutor (opened a foiled one from Strixhaven) [x] Fierce Guardianship (bought this) [ ] Smothering Tithe [ ] Rhystic Study [ ] Finale of Devastation [x] Deflecting Swat (bought) [ ] Cyclonic Rift Got.. more than half - I've been on the lucky end with the Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor pulls

[@IndianMtG]

Jeska’s Will; Mystical Tutor; Worldy Tutor; Toxic Deluge; Hullbreacher … first three should be in top 15 and last two could round out your list if you made it a top 20.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

damn, nice calls on these. thanks for commenting! we might need to do a 16-20 video in the future...

[@morgoth2425]

not hullbreacher anymore lol

[@mtgtinfoilthaumaturge1102]

My signal the clans pile is, Dockside extortionist, gilded drake, this slot is reserved for whatever else I may need at the time and situation.

[@abentevent]

Fetches and shocks should be a part of this list. you can build an efficient 3 color manabase without them sure, but adding these in once you have that mana base figured out can really make your deck hum.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

These are good additions and it will never hurt to have them. Agree.

[@kapiatgatas]

While a lot of people buying the hype of MH 2. I was shopping for Shock Lands. Example Secret Lair is one way and you get all 10, +5 extra.

[@abentevent]

@@kapiatgatas any shock land or fetch land reprint is a good thing. That being said.. Mh2 is a great set, not just for commander but for modern too. I think in 5 years lists like these will include esper sentinel. my little rhystic buddy as already drawn me about 15 cards over the course of 4 or 5 games. He's fragile sure, but if you run lots of threats, people are going to think twice about using removal on him and just pay for his tax. Which is fun when you can buff him at instant speed. :D

[@kapiatgatas]

@@abentevent I agree with you. I don't agree on the price. MH2 started high and now its settling on average $225. Unlike MH1, it started low and started going up.

[@abentevent]

@@kapiatgatas the price of packs is ridiculous. But that's a whole different topic. Non of the cards on this list are easy to afford. The enemy fetches and esper sentinel are as cheap as they will ever be right now so I suggest picking up the singles.

[@Based_Goddd]

It’s like they’re in class and got to pick each other as group partners

[@Based_Goddd]

@@jordonpohl7393 when did I ask

[@jordonpohl7393]

@@Based_Goddd not meant to “reply” to you lol

[@brandonhiggs88]

Lol I asked about my current build on your prismari upgrade video today and then you post this video I guess theres some more upgrades I can do here's the build COMANDER Zaffai thunder conductor CREATURES Guttersnipe Niv-mizzet parun Archeage emeritus Birgi God of story telling Dockside extortionist Storm-kilm artist Impulsive pilferer Goldspan dragon Galazeth prismari Krark the thumbless Hullbreacher Young pyromancer Wandering archaic Effreet flamepainter Rotha mercurial artist Back drift hellkite Treasure nabber Jace mindseeker Tolrand sky summoner Niv-mizzet the firemind Veyron voice of duality Consecrated sphinx Electrostatic field Docent of perfection Ragavan nimble pilferer INSTANTS Increasing vengeance Norsets reversal Counterspell Reinterpret Brainstorm Prismari command Magma opus Explosive welcome Seething song Refuse/cooperate SORCERIES mizzixs mastery Ponder Rousing reframe Bonfire of the damned Brass bounty Mystic retrieval Crackle with power Mana geyser Blasphemous act Jeskas will Alex of power Serum visions Devils play Faithless looting Bonus round Ignite memories ENCHANTMENTS leyline of anticipation Fiery emancipation Double vision Rhystic study Swarm intelligence Jaces sanctum Memory erosion Thousand year storm ARTIFACTS Nyx lotus Jeweled lotus Pyromancers googles Sol ring Arcane signet Lithoform engine Panharmonicon PLAINSWALKERS Jaya Ballard Rowan scholar of sparks Ral zarek LANDS Temple of epiphany Temple of the false gods Reliquary tower Evolving wilds Command tower Riverglide pathway Izzet boilerworks Scavenger grounds Exotic orchard Scalding tarn 9 mountains 10 islands

[@jeffnorris211]

Great video! I own them all minus smothering tithe and that’s only because I rarely play white in edh. Can I suggest a budget edh staple video??

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Great suggestion!

[@164Emogirl]

Haha i felt the same way own all but smothering just traded it in cause I really don't play white either

[@mattmiller786]

Zur LOVES Necropotence. If you haven’t built a Zur deck and you want a semi-competitive to truly competitive commander that can answer nearly every scenario then Zur might be for you.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Zur is evil, I tell you, EVIL!! Don't believe the lies of Zur!

[@MTG69]

Don't give people this knowledge. You are dabbling in the Darkside of EDH.

[@leverposteifantomet]

This video should just be called "The strongest cards in EDH". There are loads of reasons why players might not want to put these in their decks. Personally I don't even run sol ring because I think the format is more interresting without it

[@sharkmanyt4431]

Demonic tutor > vampiric tutor, but not by much

[@psychozen7169]

I always tell new players start with lands start with the most expensive and oldest. Then go to reserve list cards then go into reprintable cards.

[@bobbyz5443]

I’m glad to see Jake’s kitty battle scars have healed.

[@Echelon1984Gaming]

Great video. Id love to see a best combo video

[@mizzlchieizzl]

Good advice here. If you can afford them, they're costly because they're so good. Immediate power level upgrades incoming. As for me, I was able to acquire a handful of these even cheaper by getting them in foreign languages (since they're so common, players often know the card already) or getting them in heavily played or damaged condition. Rhystic study, Sylvan Library and Mana Crypt especially were like Liquid Schwartz for my decks!

[@claygillman9351]

I just picked up the last three that I didn't have from this list. Thanks guys, you made me spend more money. :-)

[@mtgtinfoilthaumaturge1102]

Woodland bellower has become a bomb. I have 10 targets it can hit in my rograhk and thrasios cedh. I think of woodland bellower kinda like a baral’s expertise but instead of a free card from my hand it’s a free card from my deck. All 10 of the cards I can hit with woodland bellower are gas. Lonis, kinnan, e witness, Meria, jaheria, and 5 more gas boys straight from my deck to the field. Woodland bellower also dodges most current cedh meta counterspells and puts the green combo piece or value engine directly into play

[@bendiv7999]

I actually expected Opposition agent force of will and toxic deluge here over finale, henge and deflecting swat

[@natebullock6555]

The great henge is extremely powerful 💪

[@sylvaintellier4787]

Great vid, as usual :) Your list is right on, ASSUMING players already own a Sol Ring, Arcane Signet and Command Tower... and also assuming they cannot afford / will not purchase: Gilded Drake, Wheel of Fortune, Mox Diamond, Gaea's Cradle, etc... which is pretty much 90% of us ;)

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

We would have loved to include those, but steered clear of RL for this video. That said, yes Cradle is a staple for that strategy, but we can't recommend someone go out and spend that money if they don't have it.

[@sylvaintellier4787]

@@JakeandJoelareMagic Thanks for the answer . What's your thought on Jeweled Lotus? Did it came close to make the list ? I'm asking because I'm still ambivalent about it when building a new deck...

[@larryohh6974]

I happen to own all of These minus mox diamond , and I can tell you, i will always cut gilded drake from any non-blink deck. Stay far away, its Not worth it. Greetings from germany

[@MatthewCJoy]

Only agree with cyclonic rift and rhystic study.

[@TubbyBubbleLove42]

Blue player much?

[@MatthewCJoy]

@@TubbyBubbleLove42 nah i just mean that i feel you can get away with not running the others but if youre in blue youd be stupid to not have these. Im a green player BTW i have 3 mono green decks and the only blue decks i have are simic or sultai so the blue is only there to help the green. XD

[@brandonhiggs88]

Dont forget hullbreacher 😁

[@mattmiller786]

Staples! Commanders signet, and sol ring *hides face*

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

ring is just so ubiquitous at this point

[@zachfisher3364]

New Player here. I am not watching past the first card in this video. $100 is way too expensive. I know I can just proxy when playing with friends, but this is totally unaccessible to most players. I think a staple would be something the average player can actually afford. Maybe do a similar video with affordable staples.

[@WhiteVirgin578]

the first 2 cards were banned recently anyways XD

[@SSolemn]

Do not own any of these and still win a lot.... I am all about surprise cards xD Those cards are good tho, but more into the cEDH realm. For casual the best thing to improve first and invest is the lands and mana base in general.

[@tanosantos1993]

finale of devastation was a card I remember getting and at the time it was a $7 dollar card.

[@stevecarr1389]

I feel like this list is more for Cedh and high power playgroups rather than newcomer edh players. These cards are the pinnacle of mana curve refinement when you absolutely need to have as many answers as possible with the lowest curve possible. Don't get me wrong, these are amazing cards and great in high power decks that want them, but not necessarily great for upgrading precons if that is where you are at in your magic journey. I'm fortunate enough to have played for many years and have all of these cards in multiples, but I'm not going to put them in a deck I know I would be playing at a lower power/beginner table. Some better examples might have been- counter spell Beast masters ascension Fellwar Stone Signets and talisman's Pyroblast Veil of summer Craterhoof behemoth Seedborne Muse Sign in blood Noxious revival Eladamri's call Grim tutor Archeomancer's map To name but a few. Edh rec doesn't differentiate between edh and cedh as far as the rankings go, nor does it consider power level. I would always suggest to new players that they look to broaden their collections 1st before dropping $1000 dollars on the 15 most powerful cards, some of which are incredibly situational. I would also suggest the look at the meta in their lgs/playgroup, see what is commonly played and take that into consideration. But keep up the great work. It's not often I'm not totally on board with your ideas. ♥️

[@michaelhurst5403]

Cyclonic Rift is one I'd love to get.

[@damo9961]

I have 4 Crypts, 4 Jeweled Lotus', 4 Mana Vaults, 4 Chrome Moxes and 15 Commander decks that are sleeved in only 5 colors - similar color combinations get the same color sleeves so I can easily swap expensive staples in for proxies without resleeving. Saved me so much money.

[@gijsdevisser4226]

If you have 4 crypts you didnt “save money” lmao

[@antfayden]

They used the Terse Nielson art of rhystic study in Jumpstart which was pretty recent

[@ketoinvestor]

My first Patreon subscription! I actually created an account just to subscribe. The content is honed to perfection! Join their Patreon and never be sorry you did 🤘

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Thanks, Keto ❤

[@davidzheng369]

Dockside needs a reprint...... Badly... U can only get them from Sevinne's EDH preconstruct which are now rare on shelves and in Wal Marts mystery commander cubes

[@DarthAlgar5]

Man you guys are so refreshing after watching two salty people, who shan’t be named, just wine all the time. One of my favorite MTG channels for sure. Appreciate the great content boys!

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Chad, thanks for the kind words. Have a nice weekend.

[@Nex41354]

Perfect commander for Vampiric; Vilis. You lose the 2 life and draw two cards after the chosen card has been place on top. So you get your card and another random card.

[@Sinceretony]

Shouts out to the JaJam fam always enjoyable but that’s my Red Hoodie!!! 🤣

[@Shr00ms30]

I was betting on the signets to be featured here, barely 2 mins in Mana crypt was mentioned and I gave up on guessing the other 14.

[@adamrehor9748]

Nice list, these are all the cards that instantly trigger "YOU GOING DOWN BUDDY" in me. No offence to the players who enjoy them.

[@kg1728]

So...is it good or is it bad that I have all these cards already. Bare minimum seems like I'm on the same page as y'all!

[@blakmajk3512]

Excellent content!

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Glad you think so!

[@ImaginationHobbies]

Idk if I'd start off with these cards at all. Personally. I'd pick a color or deck first

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

definitely. these don't really provide a starting place as much as a list of absolute heat to dip into if they match your colors

[@kapiatgatas]

A $4 Smothering Tithe (FOIL). When are we gonna see that again. I bought all available Brawl Commander deck in Walmart and Target for $15 a deck. And some LGS stores had it on sale for $9.

[@sideshowonacid]

Zur's Weirding and tefari's puzzle box are the only 2 cards that should always be played.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Lol 😆

[@MTG69]

You must carry a shovel around for all the salt that hits the table when you play Teferi's Puzzle Box.

[@francoispaolantonacci2280]

I have play magic for a long time and i have almost no card in this list. This cards are obligatory in cedh for sure

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

and that's the best point anyone can make - these cards aren't necessary to fun play at all. they just represent some of the most powerful effects that can be achieved in the format.

[@francoispaolantonacci2280]

@@JakeandJoelareMagic agree

[@madiseggsurpriseadventures5174]

Great Video 👍

[@noobtuber10]

Rhystic study is still on the list being printed in that art

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

oh interesting, I didn't know that! Thanks for that note

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

I didn't know there was a reserved list for the art.

[@allgo0d575]

I have only 3 from 15 ^^

[@zachoconnell5445]

Jake has that merfolk hair today

[@MageSkeleton]

i disagree with a few of the choices on this list, i don't even see a casual player even using half these cards. in my opinion, The Great Hendge is a "casual" card, but really great in "slow mythological" decks that runs something like Ghalta as the commander.

[@MattCorrales]

This video showed up after picking up the Kalamax and Otrimi precons at $40 each and they were still a value. 😂

[@edwardfearan5708]

sucks that the AUD is so weak atm.. all these cards are worth so much down under :(

[@maxbenjamin7212]

Ayy congrats on 17k guys!

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Thank you!!

[@ys4502]

Mana Crypt is not necessary unless you are playing CEDH, I saw anyone play this, that’s the player that become my target to eliminate.

[@diggerdog9205]

Makes sense to target whoever's in the lead. Not necessarily who has the most expensive cards but the two aren't mutually exclusive and if you have the crypt out you're probably in the lead, depending on when you drop it.

[@ys4502]

@@diggerdog9205 the person who brought deck which has Mana Crypt to casual table will not just play Crypt, you will see all sort of fetch dual land, Mana Vault, Ancient Tomb, Sylvan Library, wheel etc. I don’t like people who spend big money just to ramp ahead of everyone, and they way they play just plain boring and lazy, basically just ramp ramp ramp and find combo piece to finish the game. This kind of solitaire player need to be the first one to eliminate.

[@lanesteele240]

You then become his target. And he has a mana crypt.

[@diggerdog9205]

I don't target anyone except for if they are in the lead. In my weekly group we play for packs so it's pretty competitive. We don't allow proxies and we follow mulligan rules. We are all friends so there is no bad blood.

[@diggerdog9205]

If you want to target someone for playing good cards that's totally up to you. I just don't understand how you will beat them.. I'm always trying to team up with ppl before anything else.

[@mrjermz5406]

Who else is here in late 2024 and thinks the first 2 cards are ironic? 😅

[@MutualZebra0123]

Wouldn't buy these expensive cards for my casual gaming that i sometimes do. This feels like a video for beginners who wants to go pro straight away 😅

[@MutualZebra0123]

Should i buy a fun card or a fun precon😅

[@tienkieu4806]

I feel like this is more of a 15 cards to add in your CEDH rather than just "normal" EDH decks tbh. For example, I would argue Mana Crypt is worse in normal games because it would normally brag out to 10-15 turns and those life losses would add up eventually. Meanwhile, in CEDH the card is a powerhouse as games tend to end before the life losses even matter.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

Valid points, you should check out our staples series that we just started. We talk about more foundational cards that aren't super high-power, because you are right. Mana crypt does get worse in casual games, despite being a card that cheats out big stuff quickly

[@xx3uddhaxx]

I Approve of this List 👍

[@SenorCoupon]

Luka Doncic and Dax Shepherd discuss M:tG

[@dankoerner887]

2024 and first 2 cards are now banned lol

[@Kayden760]

Well this video didn’t age well

[@DylanCEdh]

Ahhh yes. 15 Commander staples every player should dump their wallet on. The importance of financial literacy lmao 😂 (For real tho I like the video 👍🏻)

[@Rabid_Wombat]

Dockside _will_ get the banhammer this year !!

[@DangerKennyB]

Believe it or not, I don't think so. Hullbreacher was just casually oppressive without effort; the value of a Dockside incredibly goes down at casual tables where fast mana rocks don't get dumped into play with abandon. It's still a big mana boost, but it isn't insane. Played straight up in a casual EDH game, it's just fine.

[@Rabid_Wombat]

Casual edh...what's that?

[@bradensorensen966]

I just sold Mana Crypt. Have no idea why you “need” it.

[@olesrensen1863]

As if blue didnt have 100ds of draw cards to choose from, we dont need an irritating card like rhystic study :).

[@tristancaver4836]

Lol. All in on the Potence.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

yes

[@bradensorensen966]

Cards you “need” line up well with the most expensive cards in the format. 🤔

[@evanowens7591]

Own them all but necropotence

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

nice!

[@TheAaronir3]

Get your life together lol

[@WangerZ3291]

imho, the great hedge was a mistake. who at wotc thought it was a good idea to have a green card to practically everything

[@regail7143]

I own two of these...

[@arlixdevour999]

Where da hell did tef's prot go ? 😂

[@wombatwarrior87]

so buy allt the most powerfull expensive cards under 100€ got it

[@squiggless3968]

Ya, people should really not be playing sol ring, mana crypt or ristic study, because they give you dockside treasure.

[@alexandermartsolf7098]

This list isn't must haves whenever they are so expensive. Give a list of under $5 cards

[@themimeoplasm4882]

Only missing dockside extortionist and enlightened tutor from this list

[@guillermoromero8041]

Card 2 is dockside

[@cameronrobertson9800]

@@guillermoromero8041 they mean they own all the cards except for those 2

[@darkdragonXD1]

I miss some cards like phantasmal image, arcane signet, Ancient tomb, gaea's cradle, breach and wheel of fortune.

[@thebrbninja]

I have to disagree with this list because a huge number of the cards are just extremely expensive and can force your group to escalate or jump into cEDH.

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

"hey do ya'll wanna play powerful decks or more casual decks for this next game?"

[@UniversalJuan]

Turn 2? What is this, amateur hour? Lotus petal, Ring, Vault, Crypt, Cascading Cataracts ... "Easy" 6 cost cast!

[@Acrore]

Welp glad i have all these hahahah

[@DangerKennyB]

My suggestion is this--talk with your group, seriously, about allowing proxies of cards you already own. Almost any group will go for that; very few will go "open season" on proxies, but the consideration that moving cards between decks is a hassle is usually enough to win them over. Then, pick up powerful cards one by one. Pick up or make some proxies of each as you get them. Then you can amortize the cost, you didn't buy ONE card, you bought "infinite" copies of a card! It's like an unlock code for the game. It's how it works on MTGO, if you also want to use that argument to sway your friends.

[@mcfuddy2520]

It is crazy how many new cards are broken . # power creep . Also algorithm

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

yeah, it was crazy as we went through the list and just kept having cards of the last three years pop up

[@fuxca_]

Not trying to be rude, but as an experienced player the only thing I've to say to this is "No shit Sherlock" ._.

[@AC-mb2kp]

These cards suck. Where is Island?

[@JakeandJoelareMagic]

next video we're covering Top 6 Basic Lands in MTG

[@davidrosenberg9615]

@@JakeandJoelareMagic Spoiler: top 2 are Island and Snow-Covered Island.

[@MathCrazyProfessor]

This video is so wrong in many ways. New players do not need to waste their money on those cards there are cheaper staples. Begin with those...

[@rickymeggs9853]

If youre just getting into the game, do not fucking spend 1500$ on these staples. Get some signets and other land ramp for your colors before this lmao

[@returnoftheduelist9790]

I just think that cedh is ruining the spirit of edh and ppl cannot self govern their decks to stay edh instead of high powered or degenerate; thats the issue. To say these “should” be in your deck or collection is really a loaded term. Why should ppl play cards that aren’t healthy for the format, price players out the game, make for feel bad games, and the list goes on.

[@possiblypigeon]

I very much disagree here. CEDH isn’t “ruining the spirit of edh” because it is part of the spirit of edh. EDH is the place where you do that degenerate stuff, you play cards you cant play anywhere else. They’re simply different ways of playing the game, nobody is forcing you to play these cards, nobody is forcing you to play cedh. Play the game the way you want to play. CEDH on the whole is very proxy friendly, so “pricing your opponents out” is much less of a thing there. There is no such thing as “staying edh” because cedh *is* edh.

[@returnoftheduelist9790]

@@possiblypigeon cedh is what happened when modern players came to edh and didnt like how slow it was, or its ppl that are too competitive for edh and want to make it a format it wasn’t intended to be. Edh isnt about playing cards that are banned in other formats; its a one of format meant to be less consistent and have more and longer interaction. My main issue is players who want to have fun, cant afford expensive cards, want jank combos, like to play budget, want to use unique commanders, want to use bulk to build decks, and so on, cannot show up for a normal pod and play since the base power of most deck is now an 8 or borderline cedh. That’s not right and especially not to new players; ppl want a fun game and normal pod of 5-7 (precon to optimized strategies). Also not everyone agrees with proxies and especially not everyone agrees ppl should be able to proxy a $5k deck amd invest nothing in real cards in order to win and make others have a feel bad game. That’s not the spirit of edh; if you like cedh thats fine, but dont force it on the format of edh or expect others to pod with you. I would definitely blame someone for bringing only high powered decks vs someone who has casual deck and no 8s and up; to expect ppl to want to play into that is bs.

[@possiblypigeon]

@@returnoftheduelist9790 Nobody is “expected” to play edh in any way. Believe me, i play both sides of the format. The default deck isn’t an 8, it just may feel that way. Decks aren’t, by default, “borderline cedh” - it isn’t even close. The normal pod is casual, always has been and always will be. I believe your perception of things have just changed slightly. New players, and there are many currently, are allowed to play the game anyway they want - this hasn’t changed. I’m a relatively new magic player, started playing in 2020 and have only played edh. I’m not a modern player, i’m just someone that likes to combo sometimes. There is a very very very small minority of people who want to stomp people at a casual table, there’s nothing you can do about them unfortunately. You can still play budget, can still put as many restrictions as you want on regular play as you want. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing this.

[@returnoftheduelist9790]

@@possiblypigeon i too only play edh and since last year, i came from yugioh and i know broken when i see it lol. Just when mana crypt is in a normal pod along side mana vault and cards clearly for strong decks, then it’s definitely being power crept above an average pod. I co created a budget format called Warlord where its any commander but $100 restriction on the 99 besides basic lands. But this also showed optimized and fun decks can be made without those fast mana, free negate, or the worst...drannith magistrate like cards that make ppl feel bad. I have 2 decks id say are a 9, 1 deck at an 8 and then like 4 solid $100 budget decks. I have more fun and the pods are better when we play Warlord; when i see cedh players at a $100 table then i have a big issue with that and this is what goes on by me.

[@kimkham]

There goes my wallet.

[@velkanalpha]

100$ for a card? Proxies are 1dollar.

[@lopey5035]

15 cards to homogenize your deck building and make your deck into boring value piles. Instead of encouraging new players to play blatantly strong cards, I'd encourage new players to make decks with cards they like.

[@Npocommander]

Mana crypt cost too much

[@travissmith1303]

Wizards power creep….