15% Of Riders Are 100% Illegal in the UK?

15% Of Riders Are Illegal?
This is not a proper study claim figure just a ball park figure that keeps coming up in polls. If this were a victimless crime sure do as you wish but riding a motorcycle over what your licence allows is not that and the legal implications are massive so is it really worth it?
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[@mightybeanstick9872]

Currently 72 likes to 5 dislikes. So roughly 15% dislikes... uncanny...

[@Mrflash222006]

Mighty Beanstick 10-15% likes is the average for KZbin, Then the dislikes are usually 10-15% of the likes what work out less than 1% of total views, likes/dislikes fuel any video so win, win for the creator

[@tango9917]

Mighty Beanstick double it and maybe

[@IIARROWS]

This aged well.

[@tonybailey5844]

As an instructor we use the same bikes for A & A2, just restricted and I can promise you that unless you really know what you are doing and really push the bike to its limits, which you will never do on the road, you genuinely can't tell the difference. The cons so outweigh the pros that it's really not worth the risk just for bragging to your mates down the pub. Stay legal, stay safe and enjoy a long riding career.

[@davesmith4413]

y is it that no schools have auto bikes for a2 or a licence tests

[@tonybailey5844]

@@davesmith4413 Some do, but very few. The reason for most schools is that so few people ask to do auto that it's not worth the investment in a large capacity auto bike. In the years I've been instructing I have probably been asked maybe three times!

[@jmar3956]

a lot more than 15% i can assure you that

[@mattmuttley]

I made the jump from 125 to 650 ( legally lol ) and you know what i realised? im still going the same speeds on the 650 than i was on the 125. In some ways, i yearn for my 125 back.

[@spicy110]

This is why I say I'm not a huge fan of 1000s and why I am a big fan of small bikes. Many tell me I am wrong but in a few years they will see haha

[@leosedf]

I have A unrestricted but i ride a 125 IN London, in most cases the 125 is faster than a bigger bike, more agile, light, fits everywhere.

[@connorlie3856]

luckily i went to india and rode biker bikes before i decided if i would get rid of my 125. knew then i love my 125 it flys and you can pick the thing up in a tight space

[@KawaHr]

I’ve done the same thing. Went from a Chinese 125 to. Er6f (restricted) and the difference was absolutely huge. I don’t know where you live but out in the countryside a 125 is literally painfully slow.

[@brianpinn7667]

100% agree. I do however feel for the youngsters stuck on a 50cc which a lot can just about make 35mph on a down hill with tail wind. A lot of the roads in my area are 40/60 mph which forces drivers stuck behind them to take dangerous overtakes. My opinion? They should be allowed at least a 100cc to give them a safer chance out there and the chance to learn a bit of speed control, rather than crank the throttle open till it won't go faster.

[@spicy110]

That's why when 16yr olds ask me what 50cc they should get I say unless it is absolutely unquestionably require don't! Wait 1 year and get a 125cc works out better and cheaper (overall) for a little bit of patience.

[@theboiwhohasnoname]

If it's unrestricted and you crash, crash it properly so it ceases to exist lol

[@gerardmontgomery280]

If in doubt burn it out

[@jamesoliver7288]

🤣🤣

[@wetterontour1015]

thanks for the informative video i'm doing my A2 in January and was considering doing this but now i know better thank you. great vid as always xx

[@alibaba02121996]

Can still do mega dank nooners on an A2 bike!

[@argieessex]

Thank the Lord Rossi.

[@Mybwain]

🏍💨

[@jammski_5108]

Hey Spicy - years ago my best friend passed away after a motorcycle accident while riding a bike that was unrestricted on his restricted license. I can't say he was a crazy rider, because he wasn't. But at 18 years old, riding a bigger bike, I won't go into details, the decision from court was that the accident was down to having too much power to handle, because of his unrestricted bike. Therefore was classified as his own fault. I am fully behind the restrictions in place for new riders because of personal reasons. Interesting watch, ride safe people!

[@the_original_jake]

I don't understand why this would EVER be controversial. Either way, great vid as always

[@adriver6587]

I have a full A licence, but personally i am quite happy with my CB300r does everything i want it to do A Roads, Motorways no Problem at all cheap to insure and maintain

[@EinkOLED]

Basing on how difficult the DAS test is compared to the CBT, these illegal riders are putting themselves and everyone else at risk. We earned our way to get a full licence, and have the skill necessary to ride a big bike. That also applies to A2 riders who ride on an unrestricted bike.

[@Manenzo]

DAS is not that hard..its same test for A2 just with bigger bike (full A)

[@Jonesykins]

I'm a police officer in the UK and I'm very passionate about bikes and it does pain me to see people riding bikes illegally whether knowingly or otherwise. The rider has the responsibility to make sure they are riding legally. We can and we do catch people everyday whether it is the result of proactive stop checks or acting on intel provided by a member of the public. You'd be surprised how many people call the police to tell us that someone is driving illegally. I've had my fair share of bikers riding bikes they can't ride, some include: -GSXR600 SRAD: anything made after 2000 is too powerful to be restricted -Kawasaki ER5: it's 48bhp so _technically_ you must restrict it to 47bhp and as petty as it seems you will be riding otherwise in accordance with your license and you can be charged as such -Honda CBR600F: Anything made after 2000 is too powerful to be restricted -Aprilia Pegaso Factory: Again just like the ER5 it's 48bhp and _technically_ you must restrict it to 47bhp Another common thing I see is people modifying bikes to the point where it just tips over the limit for example 125's with bore kits or modified exhausts (thus taking them over the 14bhp limit). Another thing that needs noting is insurers with do *ANYTHING* to avoid paying out and especially in the A2 class because it is very easy to do. I have seen this happen with people riding ER5s and Pegaso Factories. Crash it, insurer asks for proof of restriction, you haven't restricted it, they don't pay out. At the end of the day I can't stop everyone from breaking the law but if you're caught it's your problem. Example: You hold an A2 license and you're riding a 2005 Suzuki GSXR600, these bikes are too powerful to be restricted. You're pulled over, officer checks your license, lo and behold, A2 license. To have been able to insure this bike you will have had to tell your insurer you have a full license, oh dear, your insurance is invalid because you lied to them about your license. So in the worst case scenario you are now looking at: -Driving otherwise in accordance with a license (Minimum 3 points and £100 fine) -Driving without insurance (Minimum 6 points and £300 fine) -Fraud by false representation (Maximum 10 years imprisonment if tried on indictment otherwise the max is 6months) -Your bike will be seized, YOU then have to pay the recovery fees + storage (My force this is £170 and then £25 per night) You will probably receive a driving ban of anywhere between 1 to 2 years (this is the average), good luck buying insurance afterwards. If charged with Fraud you'll have a criminal record, good luck getting a job with a fraud conviction. The way I look at it is that the risk is massive for little to no gain.

[@spicy110]

Thanks for the info from someone in the know! you also just confirmed the criminal record I have been told I was wrong about. 👍

[@Jonesykins]

@@spicy110 Anytime fam. I'm all about preventing the problem rather than sweeping up the mess caused afterwards.

[@stiglet3]

​@@Jonesykins The 4P plan in action ;)

[@analogsamurai2505]

shame you dont check for cbt certificate when stopping kids. i know someone who been riding for 3 years with no cbt. not once when pulled over has he had to prove he has one. he just says passed it last year sometime. quite funny really.

[@heavenlytruth1638]

In all honesty i rode an unrestricted 2016 ER6-N when on an A2 license for just under a year (i had been riding it restricted for 6 months before hand but friends pursuaded me to derestrict it) and in that time i was stopped twice, no idea why as i wasnt speeding or doing anything wrong i was just asked for my license, proof of insurance and proof of restriction, i had everything they asked for and they sent me on my way. no points no fine nothing. they didnt check the bike was actually restricted all they cared about was the paperwork. im now riding on a full A license and i think that riding on my 76bhp bike much better prepared me for riding a 156bhp bike, if id had jumped on my new bike having only ridden the 47bhp er6 and the bike for my test, i think i wouldve killed myself in the first week. but thats just my two cents.

[@MiniBuc]

i know someone at college that was riding drz 400 on a cbt as he registered it as a 125

[@spicy110]

Oh Jesus 🤣

[@2wheelzarebetter]

Lol wtf!

[@karenrhodes5079]

How the f did he get away with that?! 😂😂😂 What a knob... And yet, what a legend.

[@jaseegee9293]

@@karenrhodes5079 not a legend more of a bellend did you not listen to spicy about insurance being invalid? I'm sure you wouldn't be singing his praises if he damaged your car!

[@karenrhodes5079]

@@jaseegee9293 Think again... Clearly you've not read my opinion on all this bull. You'd get 2 impressions, the first, what I think about cars, the second, what I think about money. If he lost control and took me out, my only concern, would be his life. I love my bike, but I can buy a new one, that kids life means so much more, because when he's dead, he's lost forever. Don't presume to know me, okay? I stand by what I said, he's a knob for trying, and a legend for getting away with it. Sorry if I think human life, is worth more than money.

[@Maddmank]

No spicy, I've had my A2 for 4 years I can't afford to do essentially the exact same test again

[@spicy110]

As someone who was stuck on a 125cc for 7 years I understand. I didn't mean it like that I meant using that as a justification to ride unlicenced and uninsured.

[@Maddmank]

I know dude I'm just bitter that if I want access to more powerful/cheaper bikes (A2 legal bikes seem to have the "A2" tax on them) I've got to pay AGAIN

[@spicy110]

The retake will work out quite a bit cheaper tho as you won't need the training days like with the A2. In theory isn't it quite a bit less because of that?

[@bcol127]

@@spicy110 Not massively, most schools require a whole day for each module

[@CheapskateMotorsports]

@@Maddmank just curious, what kind of bike do you have? If it's restricted you can do the test without having to pay a riding school if you derestrict it in the parking area of the test centre before the test. Or if that's too hard, get a mate with a full license to drop your bike off, or roll it into the test centre. You have to insure it correctly though.

[@marksteven6116]

you can put a L plat on any car ,150 mph + and drive it , cars can do a lot more damage then a motorbike why pick on the motorbike that's RACIST

[@shardlake]

Police officers dream, all these people admitting riding illegally :) You are not insured, not licensed, hit the wrong person who has enough money to sue you, you're paying for the rest of time. I took my test back in the 80s when the test involved riding round the block, with examiner in a car! who just watched a couple of junctions - I have since done a CBT and Mock full test just to see what was involved (I passed without any lessons), sadly bikes kill more riders than any other form of personal transport, so I can never see it going back to be easy. I have done extra courses and the police Bike Safe - well worth it some fantastic extra skills, and good to have someone critique your riding.

[@richardcurtis2469]

I'm 64 years old. Passed my bike test 1975. And by today's test. Mine was a bloody joke ride round the block. 20min later passed. But yoù where aloud to ride a Yamaha rd 250 . Hot bike at the time. 30bhp

[@2wheelzarebetter]

When i was a youngster many moons ago i had a 70cc bore kit on my 50cc scooter... i know rebel right? Lol

[@ctdisriguyvauxhaullmad1429]

BenMoto i had a dud 50 with a cub90 engine . we lived life on the edge back then 😄

[@Awatchandy]

I'm Sure there Must be a couple of "10CC" Jokes in there somewhere!

[@tombush2680]

Lol my mate said he’s gonna get an ninja 400 and rebadge it as a ninja 125 XD

[@reasonsvoice8554]

Gotta love the 80/90s

[@davymac9866]

Those were the days lol

[@HaloXIIII]

I spent months saving for my license and managed to get my A2 before I hopefully head to uni. And after all of that I cant imagine putting it at risk for a few extra bhp. For the next however many years Im not going to have another 700 quid to spend on my license again

[@fir3blad352]

For those still on a 125.. 125cc really is enough.. I only upgraded a year and a half ago because comfort was more important. Prior to that, 125's all through my adult life. Loved every minute of it too. Got to own some now pretty rare 2 strokes, sometimes i wish i still had my kawasaki kmx! Bottom line.. Dont rush it. Each day on a 125 is experience to bring to a bigger bike. The ONLY bad thing about 125's is renewing your CBT. Even bad experiences will reflect on your riding on a bigger bike. Stay safe out there, stay seen.

[@CrazyPanda688]

I respectfully disagree. 125’s are terrible. Their skinny wheels and anaemic power do not translate over to bigger motorcycles whatsoever

[@edwardm9227]

The day I threw my leg over a 250 I thought to myself how much safer I felt,it handled,stopped had enough umph to escape myopic car drivers. Now I have 750/1000/1200cc I can make my own destiny with escape velocity,otherwise you're at the mercy of that twat in a car texting or whatever. A mate recently said he would like one of those mescherschmit three wheelers and I said fibreglass coffin ready for Mr4wd to drive over you, don't mind being vulnerable on a bike but hell I need to be agile!

[@rickyevans3845]

@@CrazyPanda688 They are very cost effective and ok for back and for work. I remember my one yrs ago got about 230 miles to a tenner. But for going on long bike rides with mates, nah not for me. Just no go in them. I could never ride a 125 again, but didnt dislike it

[@williamjustice4014]

125s are terrible, fine if u live in a city or whatever if ur doing anything sort of distance you will kill the motor as I’ve done on a few 125s

[@yorkshire1290DUKE-R]

I'm lucky I did mine just before the changes came in. I do think it's unfair considering you could jump in a Ferrari after passing your car test.

[@stiglet3]

To be honest, it's not the bike licence rules which are wrong there, it's the car licence rules which need changing.

[@itzajdmting]

well under the current bike rules, a 25 year old could buy a 50cc motorbike on Monday morning but find it too slow, so take a CBT and get allowed to ride a 125. He decides to do an accelerated full time course and by Friday jumps on a Turbo Hayabusa legally and insured. so from 50cc > 1300cc Turbo in the same week, the power to weight ratio increase legally there is mind-boggling. So even the current rules allow for some pretty phenomenal jumjps in power.

[@reasonsvoice8554]

I agree I think they should add power restrictions on new car drivers same as bikes maybe chuck them a few extra tests also if they want faster I passed direct access almost 20 years ago after riding 125s since I was about 15 unrestricted wasn't that much of a jump got a vfr750 after that But definitely agree that the way they licence car driving should change

[@reasonsvoice8554]

@@itzajdmting that's to stop mums bitching their stupid kid died when they bought them a 600 race bike at 18

[@CrazyPanda688]

Paul Reason car licences don’t need to be changed because whilst yes you can go and hop in a Ferrari the day you pass your test, only 1% of people can afford to do that It’s literally a non issue. Your insurance quote would be 50 grand plus

[@endomobo359]

Hmmm, so what you're saying is if I do... I should do it on a turbo busa? Thanks spicy, I'll be down at the Suzuki dealership.

[@fatmikecj]

May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. Also when you put yourself into orbit on that rocket ship you can't hit anyone! In space, no one can hear you cream your pants every time you twist the throttle.

[@spicy110]

Basically yes that's the stupid thing people so all they need to get a 125cc and then void it all for 25cc more you might as well ride a busa 🤣

[@daveffs1935]

Insurance companies are not as thorough as you may think. First up they get an independent engineer to look at the bike, they are not particularly looking at what size bore kit you have on, they're looking for obvious damage and any obvious changes. Once that is done they process the claim, this is mostly people checking tick boxes to say you have all your documents in order, they don't look at it, it's just to check it's there. They do pick out ones at random and go through it nit picking, just luck of the draw. If it's a huge claim, say you wrote off 5 cars by running a red, chances are that'll be the randomly picked one.

[@endomobo359]

My brother and his mate had Peds, my brothers broke down and his mate wasn't insured, so they swapped the reg and his friend rode on the back (again illegal), so obviously they get pulled for having a passenger, it got impounded and they didn't get caught for the reg swapping, they didn't check the vin.

[@benji3116]

Riding a bike you're not covered for is a mugs game. not an opinion, just a fact.

[@999pez]

Nice ride around Portsdown Hill. It's a shame that respective Governments have made it so difficult for kids to get onto decent bikes. Back in the day (bit before my time) you could jump on an RD250LC as a learner! I stuck it out on my 125 for 2 years after I passed my test. Not quite right about insurance claims though. I used to work insurance about 20 years ago. Uninsured drivers are covered by the Motor Insurers Bureau (a different kind of MIB). A percentage of what all of us pay in insurance goes into the MIB fund. If you're hit by an uninsured rider/driver you can claim through the MIB scheme. The MIB will however seek to recover any money paid from the uninsured rider.

[@rickychase18]

I honestly couldn't be arsed to do all that and risk such things based on just being a little faster

[@HalfdeadRider]

What about mods too, how many don't declare them to insurance companies to save money? How much extra did they sting you for your exhaust? Not telling them most likely voids your insurance too, the percentage would be much higher than 15% I bet.

[@HalfdeadRider]

@@IsntThisAStupidName not bad on the mods, custom paint should not effect it at all as it does not effect the performance or safety, change companies if you do and just say the main colour. Plastic dip or vinyl does not even need to be declared to DVSA as its not permanent, and the stock paint is not effected. Unless rules have changed recently.

[@HalfdeadRider]

@@IsntThisAStupidName They wouldn't quote for it as its something that would usually be a swperate insurance policy if you want it protected by insurance. They would probably charge a small fee to change the policy for a colour change, as they do. Yea it must be pretty new but I though if it was changed, it must have been more recent, 2014 is a little surprise. I'd check it out to make sure if I ever do use vinyl or plasti dip, hydro-dipping might be different, I'm not sure if that's removable.

[@theyoutubeguy1]

People who do this are really dumb. You only have to wait a few years to legally get a bigger bike. I'd rather have a 125cc and wait 4 years for a bigger bike than be banned for years.

[@AussieR1]

Queensland, Australia had a scheme called "Q-Ride" where you could go from having an open car license to open car and bike license after 1 day - half theory and a ride around the city. I mean, you had to do a written test 12 months prior, but it was 5 questions containing things like "if you are on a motorcycle, do you have to abide by the road rules?". A year after I got my license via QRide they ditched the scheme. :D

[@stevejones8665]

To invalidate your insurance that you pay through the nose for in the 1st place is Stupid..I wonder how many Motorists/Motorbikers know that when parked up in most car parks there fully Comprehensive insurance is null and void, that's why they have vehicle's parked entirely at owners risk signs.. An extra 25cc on a 125cc makes virtually no different in getting to where you going, it only takes some other idiot to pull out on you to ruin your life. Just not worth it imho.

[@madeleinegillett5892]

My divs is currently sat in a garage waiting to be taken apart after a couple of crashes. Police officers both times took my license details but never checked the bike over to see if it was restricted. I never claim on my insurance as I can fix my own bike for way less and so they never ask either. The second incident the police lady asked me if I was even old enough to ride an xj6 😂 I was a bit taken aback and said look at my license, and was about ready to pull out the restrictor certificate from under the seat where the bike was up the road and I was in an ambulance. Also I do believe that if they pull you over and wish to test the bike formally, you defer it for up to like 7 days which gives you the chance to put a restrictor on unless it's a software restriction

[@kennetknudsen7042]

will the insurance not have you charged for fraud if you run an unrestricted bike claimed to be a restricted bike?

[@dom24363]

Also, little known insurance issue - if you go on holiday abroad and rent a moped or scooter you need to have the correct UK licence or CBT. If you’re not legal here you won’t be insured if you come off and need medical assistance.

[@100racer]

What actually happens if you have an accident with insurance. It can go two ways: The person you hit may have uninsured driver cover, the 3rd party gets sorted. The insurer then comes after you for the cost involved. The person you hit makes a claim through the Motor Insurers Bureau they then come after you. The result will be a CCJ issued against you for the cost of the damages. This can financially ruin your life. Want to buy a house? Get a decent credit card? Loan for your dream bike? Won't happen with a CCJ

[@andygrant3468]

I'm not encouraging anyone to ride/drive without insurance or saying it is acceptable, but if you are hit by an uninsured driver you can claim compensation using the Motor Insurers' Bureau and this is seperate to the third party that hit you. this isn't as easy to claim on and you will likely receive less money but it is there for accident victims of uninsured motorists.

[@offcamping]

Have you reclassified your drz as a bigger CC then registered or told the insurers is modified

[@spicy110]

Of course I have!

[@forevercomputing]

Tax bad changes after ~149cc. 125cc should be legally possible to change to 130cc based on OEM O/S +2mm rings. It counts as a repair and not a big bore. Technically, it's invalidated insurance. But, I get the point you're making. It wouldn't be so bad if the auto upgrade was still in place. For people who went DAS including myself, riding any bike of any power or capacity isn't an issue. 47BHP is quite a bit of power and enough for UK roads. That's what my CB500X has.

[@reasonsvoice8554]

My advise would be ride old 2 strokes till your old enough for direct access then whatever you like just work you way up or just get what you like Just take it easy and learn the bike

[@mattblackledge9068]

Driving offenses aren't considered criminal offenses. The biggest issue is as you say god forbid you injured someone they won't be looked after for any ongoing care they need. That alone should be enough to stop people.

[@spicy110]

Read the pinned comment from a police office. If you tell your insurance company something that isn't true it's fraud.

[@Destide]

Every big bore mod on a 125 I have seen results in the bike dying a few months later. What's the point you've got to go through so much work to do it properly, you might as well get either a top end 15bhp 125 or do your MOD's

[@JustCallMeDavey]

AMERICA!!!! I took a 3 day course.. Bought a 1000cc... Scared the shit out of myself and haven't ridden since... I actually support the multiple stages.. It kind of forces you to become a better rider in a way.

[@stewartnorton6386]

Refreshing view coming from America. On a lot of motorcycle vids most of the comments I see from the US like " Yo Bro you need freedom like we have in the US man. Just buy any bike you like and ride. " UK too strict US too lenient...must be a middle ground somewhere ?

[@jakemuntja]

I’m a good boiiii. I had an a2 and kept my bike restricted the whole time. Now I have a full license and have a zx6r👍🏻people always told me to unrestrict it. Nahhh mate ain’t getting my bike crushed. 47bhp is quick. My ER6f did 60 in 4-5 seconds. 😂

[@rickyevans3845]

Absolutely. A2 category bikes can shift. I had a 1998 Cb500 Sport half faired version, 6 gear, and it was fast - super super reliable, too. Bombproof engine, still used today in many training schools and blood bikes etc. Think was about 120 top end, but i never got near it admittedly. But open it up and it had some power in it. I rode that bike on a full A license though, I never did A1 or A2 - I'd get rid of them. I think there should only be one bike license and have to be aged 21 to sit. I mean, who the fuck wants an A1 license? It's a CBT basically

[@chrishart8548]

@@rickyevans3845 those cb500's in 1998 were 60hp not 47hp like the A2 ones we have now. Probably lighter too. The only reason the cbr500r is so heavy is so the power to weight does not exceed 0.2kw/kg

[@chrishart8548]

What bike did you have restricted? On the A2 ?

[@jakemuntja]

@@chrishart8548 2012 ER6f

[@chrishart8548]

@@jakemuntja did it feel like it weighed 211kg? The blurb for the ninja 650 was something about a 20% weight reduction over the er6-f. More like the er6-f was 20% too heavy. Nice looking bike though. Looks like a proper ninja at a glance. Lots of nice green bodywork if you get the right colour was 73hp not like the 67hp the ninja has now.

[@newbeginnings8566]

It is extremely annoying all these tests, costs, waits... I do think a more updated system should be brought in with more powerful bike available than a 125cc. Dodging the system is potentially a life changing move if things go wrong. Time for people to campaign.. I'm 55 still getting around to doing a test and riding off-road in my field to make do...

[@johnfisher1472]

I've got a petition for it mate petition.parliament.uk/petitions/266876

[@barriewilliams4526]

A better idea would be; If you pass your test for an A2 licence it should be that after 2 years your licence would be automatically upgraded to a full licence. After all, If you pass your car test in a fiesta you can go & buy a Ferrari the same day! I have a full licence but I ride a Kawasaki GPZ 500s which comes under an A2 licence. I don't need the hassle of a BIG superbike, my Kawasaki is plenty fast enough at well over 100 mph & at the end of the day, the fastest you can legally go is 70 mph.......

[@petervisi5369]

A better point of view for explanation would someone cause an accident to you and you go through on all of the effects. You are out of work, and not get paid from anywhere because the person has no insurance on that category, no income, kicked out of house, family in trouble...and on and on as you just said. Because I would say most of the people don't care what happens to someone who they don't know. Think how YOU would feel? Excuses never save you from legal consequences. And life neither cares about them at all. I'm 34 and started to ride a 125 because I don't want to sit straight on a "big" bike until I feel capable to ride it safe. But I see I won't be famous for taking into consideration others well being as well not just myself.

[@Nick-vx3er]

Another great vid Spicy! Very balanced and informative. I did all my A2, A licence all the crap the proper way for the reasons you listed, its a small sacrifice for doing things properly.

[@CZ350tuner]

If one is on L plates on a bike over 125cc and under 350cc the law required that it is attached to a sidecar and not have a power output of more than 33 HP. It also has to be insured, taxed and MOTed as a sidecar outfit.

[@robinwells8879]

I believe that many countries have a 150 cc limit which as you say, offers very little extra power and thus little to no top speed increase due to that being a square law. It does however offer somewhat more torque and that’s hill climbing and higher gearing ratios. Perhaps we should align with that trend. Also, 50cc scooters are a dangerous anachronism for today’s roads.

[@RevBombUK]

Great blog mate, very informative new licensing is there for a reason, I'm old school and did my first ride on a 250cc did my test and passed first time and went straight to a 1000cc, I spent the first 6 weeks doing extra ride courses and learning to ride a bigger bike and im still learning 35 years on. I got hammered on insurance first 2 years of having a bigger bikes even now im still paying £700 a year insurance for my ZX7R but i have all the bells and whistles on my insurance. if your gonna ride make sure you have adquate cover and experience, and always make sure you get ride tips or do some track days or extra training its worth it.

[@andymawby52]

At 8 mins in to the vid ......Uninsured driver damage is covered. I got smashed up on my bike by an uninsured car driver.My compensation was paid by the motor insurance bureau.You wont get as mush but you will get something. I was off work for 14 months and got 37K . Sounds a lot but it didn't cover what I lost over the 14 months.From what I was told, 10 percent of every insurance premium gets paid to the MIB for just such an event.

[@benllewelyn98]

I did it on my 50cc it had an 80cc kit but since then I haven't done that I rode for 4 days on an unrestricted bike after my A2 but as soon as my restrictor arrived I fitted it and to be honest to only makes a difference right at the top end so it doesn't bother me

[@Dawidstuglik02]

probably the best channel for good information

[@Signals927]

Take note and do the right thing you know it makes sense. Good video Spicy.

[@mrmoon1482]

If I worked for an insurance company it’s the first thing I’d check, no pay out 😃

[@mikerope5785]

also if you damage anything while uninsured, you have civil responsibility for all 3rd party damage *including personal injury which can be in the tens of thousands*, if 3rd parties have uninsured liability, the insurance companies can sue you, if they don't have that uninsured liability, the 3rd parties can sue you, both have an extremely good chance of winning, and you will have a very large bill for all the damages and court fees in addition to all the fines.

[@125sm3]

But we could have another poll , how many people tell there insurance company they have customize there bike like changing the exhaust for a sport end can ?

[@gerardsmith6662]

Hi spicy first great and informative video really good,just a quick question most people(and me)have got bikes but have changed either the front of back sprockets for a little more oomph would that still compromise my insurance?or would it be illegal on a l plate?just wondering

[@spicy110]

In most cases i don't think this is a big issue, however on renewing your insurance mention it just to be covered.

[@MRLAWSON]

i wasnt going to comment but iv been through this myself, i was riding a Kawasaki zx6r for 4 years on a provisional license never crashed and never went over the speed limit, i got pulled over for a bolding tyre, i had the bike taken off me of course 3 points and 100 pound fine, obviously i have a full license now.

[@CheapskateMotorsports]

With the tax thing I do believe that on the gov.UK website it says that the category goes up to 150cc. You still lose your license and insurance etc, but for anyone who legally wants a big bore kit, 150cc is the highest you can go without paying extra road tax.

[@spicy110]

Yes correct I was wrong on that. I am remembering having 125cc printed on my old discs.

[@silvergryphon21]

How the licence works for Young riders in the UK is shameful, I rode around on a full power bandit and SV650 for 2 years then moved up, lol Having to pay for 2 tests is just absurd

[@endomobo359]

3 tests.

[@theyoutubeguy1]

Since this system was formed it has decreased the amount of dead riders so I think its a good thing.

[@silvergryphon21]

@@theyoutubeguy1 Decreased them by putting people off getting a motorcycle you mean.

[@theyoutubeguy1]

@@silvergryphon21 Motorcycles are more popular than ever... what do you mean?

[@andrewroberts7281]

Brilliant, saying it as it is. To be honest I hadn’t thought of the implications of riding an unrestricted bike before! Thanks I love your videos.

[@TheMininod]

As someone who just last month got there full A licence at the age of 21 ( so after having to do the A2 test as well) I can understand the frustration of all the tests. But I had a restricted SV650 and the power was plenty. I now have a cbr600 with 100+ hp but part of me misses being able to use all of the SV650s HP majority of the time which is impossible with the CBR on the road

[@spicy110]

Can I ask how much was the upgrade costs?

[@TheMininod]

@@spicy110 Cost me £420 to do the upgrade. I got a discount of about £60 cause I used the same training school multiple times. The £420 was for a 2 day course. I got mod 1/2 training in the morning then did my test in the afternoon of each training session. Was very quick but would have been hard to do if I didn't already have the experience

[@AlexDjalo]

You think it's a good idea to get a restricted bike? Or just get a A2 legal bike thanks

[@TheMininod]

@@AlexDjalo depends on how much money you have and if you plan on doing the upgrade when you can. I had the SV650 and it was great and cheap. Only cost me £900 and extra £60 for the resistor. A2 bikes are normally £4k to £6k so quite a bit of money for something your gonna get rid of In a couple years. The other benefit with restricted bikes is once you get your full lience you can just take the resistor out and have the same bike with more power.

[@XclusiveAaron]

A FRIEND of mine.. From 2013 to about 2016 had a couple of GSXR 1000s and a Yamaha R1 on a A2 license, had a crash insurance pay out etc, not a thing was said. Also got caught speeding twice, one time at over 150 mph, license lost for a period but nothing said, I reckon he must have been one of the first!

[@gazzertrn]

Took my test 42 yrs ago . Glad i did .Easy then , but those bikes back then could kill you quite easily .

[@masonstapleton8236]

I have my a2 licence and was riding a 125 at the time, I was giving my friend a lift which am allowed to do, and the police pulled us over because they thought we were thief and yes we both had all your gear on, as soon as I pulled over the police didn't care, I had my licence out ready and asked if he wanted to see it, he his quote was *i might as well*

[@AlexDjalo]

What bike was you on?

[@masonstapleton8236]

@@AlexDjalo Yamaha YBR 125

[@NightEye87]

In The Netherlands things are taken care of a little bit different. When a drunk driver hits someone (yes, personal experience as victim), the insurance company has to pay for his customer's fault. Because of his drunkness, the insurance is invalidated, so the insurance company can put a claim on the driver. The driver then has to pay whatever amount is spent by the insurance company, usually he can't so he is in debt, get's a curator and lives poorly for the next 5 years, after which the rest of his debt is cleared. Meanwhile the victim gets some money if he waits long enough and has to live with the physical consequences for the rest of his live.

[@lewisjones1182]

It works exactly the same in the UK, an insurance company can't refuse to pay out to the third party. The explanation in the vid is kinda meh.

[@craigmason6656]

Good topic as always Spicy. Pretty much happens every day down here. Regards from Melbourne.

[@johna6968]

If i was thirty years younger could I be that responsible?.. Probably not

[@Markymoo992]

I admit I used to do this and to be honest I was constantly nervous when riding, didn’t want to go riding etc I was kind of forced into riding a 500 on a CBT though as my friend told his friend I’ll have the bike. I did use it originally to do my test but I got comfortable on it and didn’t want to go back to a 125. In the end I matured and grew up, I told myself I’m going to do it properly and get my license. In the end guys it’s not worth it just do the license

[@edwardm9227]

The current motorcycle categories are really stupid being able to pass a test should not have an age caveat(unless the real reason is to deter!) ,asking for infringements! Having said that if you lie to your insurer you are total Muppet and have the potential to ruin a large part of what's left of your life! Just pass your test!!!

[@safetyfirst5917]

I know someone who rides a ZX6R on a CBT with no tax or insurance or anything. Insane really, judging by how I personally ride my 125 an A2 spec bike would be more than enough for anyone, myself included. Always best to stay on the right side of the law

[@Pugwash.]

When I was young, the insurance premium was already big enough without points. Riding a bike is for the pleasure, not the pain.

[@Drainingtheswamp2022]

The exact wording is "driving otherwise than in accordance with a license" so driving/riding beyond the required qualification level or the vehicle is above the permitted power output..... If that makes sense. Is it worth it? Of course its not

[@Imperial-GB]

Not surprised. When I did my CBT an Asian bloke turned up on an R1 and all he'd done is a CBT close to 2 years prior, hence the reason he was doing his CBT again. Needless to say the instructor wasnt too happy and emplored him to do his full license. God knows what happened after that day

[@themightydash1714]

The police and insurance can measure the internal CC capacity in the same way race series do if your bike appears to be faster than other bikes in your class, so big bore kits, they can check, As for ECU limited or Airflow restricted bikes... You can literally plug them in or remove the throttle body to check for restriction, it does happen too. Also, if you crash and injury someone... thats on you. You could get sued for hundreds of thousands of pounds in compensation, you will lose and the courts will make you pay via CCJs and remove the money from your wages, for the rest of your life. It's dumb to do it.

[@barney3417]

Good Vid, great that you raise this issue which as you say is common !! just thought Id correct you a little! Until I retired recently I was the police lead in a UK force for motorcycle offences and I used a Dyno ( rolling road)in colleges and elsewhere to check, speed of Mopeds, power of larger bikes to establish conformity . 1, riding a motorcycle without the correct licence, whether its a 150 instead of a 125 or a moped that can go faster than 50Kph (29 mph) the offence is., Riding other than in accordance with a driving licence. irrespective of the type of licence, all licence offences were centralised years ago to simplify it. the only other licence offence is driving while disqualified. If you insure the bike and have an accident but are found to be riding other than in accordance with a driving licence the insurance companies are required, by law to cover the 3rd party but NOT you . Bikes can and generally will, be seized if found to be ridden without the correct licence but will be returned after the payment of a fee and production of the appropriate insurance and licence to ride the machine. 6 Points standard for no insurance, if you get 6 points within the first 2 years of obtaining your full licence you can have your full entitlement revoked and be returned to "L' Status and have to start again !!!!!!Hope that helps? keep up the good work !

[@charlieryan1736]

Thanks for another smart video 👍🏻 I can’t imagine how many are running around here in the states 😬

[@Peskyjooba]

I went riding for 5 hours with 15 bikers on 600cc+ bikes at the weekend, I kept up with them on my 125 ktm ... except on straight a roads, but then I caught up in the traffic by filtering. You don’t NEED powerful bikes

[@Vanzann]

My boss does this, he rides a 125, with L plates, on the motorway, without a CBT. Because he has a car license & noone cares about 125s anyway & noone will ever pull him over. No matter how much I've argued with him I can't change his mind.

[@theyoutubeguy1]

How has he not been caught? The motorways are covered in manned cameras, traffic cops and highway maintenance vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if some cameras automatically detect L plates.

[@CheapskateMotorsports]

I mean if he's really crazy enough to break the law like that, he might well take the L plates off because you're more likely to get pulled over on the motorway with them on, and motorway police have not much better to do so if caught they will charge him.

[@Vanzann]

@@CheapskateMotorsports his logic to that is the motorway stretch of his commute is so short if he gets caught he'll just say other drivers pushed him on & he hasn't been able to pull off yet. Which I'm sure will be their biggest issue with him.

[@CheapskateMotorsports]

@@Vanzann loooool that's so dumb. At this point he might well steal a ninja H2R race bike and use it on the roads instead. Hes literally just asking to get his license taken away🤣

[@thealmosthdchannel]

is it actually a motorway or is it just a triple carageway (Signed as an A road rather than M)

[@karenrhodes5079]

The day they introduce restricted licences on cars, is the day I care about motorcyclists riding unrestricted bikes on an A2. I don't care if they're insured or not. No amount of money will bring back those who died, at the hands of rich kids, racing around and murdering innocent motorists, driver and biker alike, legally (whether they're intoxicated or not). I'd rather be taken out by an uninsured biker, than a fully insured idiot, in a car they clearly can't control; because the bike won't kill me. And if I DO die, it doesn't cost me a penny... Because I'm dead. Who gets hurt when a biker fucks up? Just the biker 99% of the time. Who gets hurt when a car, bus, truck driver fucks up? Their passengers, those they hit, pedestrians, those behind and in front of them. Driver gets off with cuts and bruises... Sure, that's fair. Am I saying that motorcyclists are perfect? No. But a fuck up should only cost the life of the person that fucked up, not everyone else around them. Money has nothing to do with it. Oh an uninsured motorcyclist hit your car, you're a knob and don't have fully comp. Cry cry cry! You do have fully comp but, oh my insurance premium! Cry cry cry! Btw, insurers don't pay out to 3rd party anymore, unless the person you hit doesn't have insurance (like a pedestrian). So the joke's on you! 3rd party only works (in a vehicle on vehicle collision) if the person you hit has 3rd party also. Fully comp pays out direct to you, plus any uninsured 3rd party. Unless your insurer is stuck in the stone age, it won't effect your no claims. So those of you who are complaining about insured vs uninsured, have the wrong end of the stick anyway. (which makes my point, make you all sound all the more pathetic, because your argument was invalid to begin with.) That's the basics, obviously there's "who's at fault" clauses that change the who gets paid, and who fronts the bill (but I'm not getting in to that, I really don't care). Plus most motorcycle insurance won't pay out for injury, unless you're killed. But if you need that, the policy will tell you before you sign up, so read the small print. Ask yourself, am I dead? Nope... Is the motorcyclist dead? Probably... Then what's your problem?! The cost to you, was money. The cost to them was their life. Why are we all scoffing at insurance?! Are you all that heartless and blind, that all you care about, is how much money it cost you? It seems human life is thrown around more liberally than money these days... When did you all get so cold? Shame on all of you...

[@johnfisher1472]

Well fucking said!

[@MrSportster12]

I think if a rider ( or driver) is found not to have insurance the victim can make a claim through the Motor Insurance Bureau.

[@lewisrolfe9919]

Well in my experiance is about 99% do it when on a 50cc and about 50%60% when going bigger everyone does it where i live !!

[@CZ350tuner]

One can legally rider a 125 on L plates over 15 HP provided it was made in the before the 1982 restriction laws (1970's Yamaha RD125, Suzuki GT125 or Bennelli 2C 125). Good luck finding one (they are even more unreliable than a modern Chinese 125) and afford what are now a rare classic motorcycles.

[@spicy110]

No the cbt limits are your max limits, you take it every 2 years so the cbt will always be bang up to date.

[@easternmenace]

Yeah you are right about insurance finding ways not to pay. Really fun when your bike gets stolen and they say lol gtfo, but we will still increase your insurance prices though

[@morini500dave]

This isn't making it sound any better when an uninsured driver causes an accident,but you are able to claim through the uninsured drivers claim scheme that all insurance companies are signed up to.

[@daddygogo8862]

I knew a guy who swapped a gs500 engine into his hyosung gt125 was a straight swap as frames on both bikes are the same rode round on it for years till a wagon reversed over top of it

[@cameron7826]

Would you get your big bore on Derek again? If you knew it was an extra £23 for road tax, and insurance increase, or would you have kept it standard?

[@jaywaters307]

The A2 test is stupid really.... Its the same test just done on a bike with slightly less power, but you're not opening it up on your test anyway.

[@george5040]

Whats your opinion on derestricted 50ccs? I currently ride a restricted Peugeot speedfight 2 and I feel the 28mph limit is somewhat dangerous on British roads especially since restricted bikes will do barely 20mph up a decent incline. Still, i want to ride legally and not get into trouble like you described so I am going to leave it restricted.

[@shaunwhitten6728]

Always love your videos always so helpful thank you

[@motofilmadoresuk]

Great video

[@Brenton1000]

Sounds like the UK is even stricter than Australia. After 25 you can ride whatever after a minimum of 1 year and 3 months of riding. I personally think even that is too long. I bought a 200hp Ducati 1199s after 4 months of riding and its fine. Saying that, I've been caught riding it twice costing a heap In fines and a court appearance. Will be a track bike until Feb when i get my full licence.

[@ADAM00717]

The police today a too few and too stretched dealing with serious crimes likes, murders, burgleries and drug dealing to deal with this minor stuff.

[@spicy110]

Driving with no licence, insurance and on a machine you have had no training to drive is minor? See I just won't get the mindset of well if you don't get caught that's ok because of the possible problems you may bring to others.

[@simonj48]

It's kind of weird though, isn't it. Basically because they changed the law from; 1. If you have a full license you can ride a any motorcycle to you can only ride a moped (50cc) 2. After two years of riding with a full 125cc license you get unrestricted automatically. Now the law is setup with it's staged progression can be seen as helping those without control, but really it doesn't do much for those who just lay down the cash for a DAS course and go from no riding experience to CBR1000RR, ZX10R, S1000RR etc at the weekends for a few weeks until it's packed away until next summer (that could even be in 2 or more years with the weather and work commitments). However, the law is the law and we should accept and ride by it at all times. What I don't get is those that are paying for things like A2 license and then going on to ride unrestricted anyway. The police and court aren't going to care that you're 'almost there' as far as BHP/CC requirements for your license. They'll just see you don't have the right to ride it and you'll get fucked. If you're going to ride illegally, you may as well not even bother with your CBT, Insurance or tax because like Spicy said, it's all null and invalid if you're involved in any kind of accident anyway, and because of that not only will you not get any payout or help after (if you're not dead) but the other people you might be involved in a crash with won't get a payout either. Have fun knowing you've left someone mamed, disabled etc with life long conditions because you were part of a road accident (even if they cashed into you!).

[@Mrflash222006]

A license is a privilege, not a right, insurance company’s need to check restrictions certificates and the bike marked in some form as well - if you have a license your more than likely get done for Not driving in accordance with the licence 6-9 points, no insurance is 6 points and £300 fine, impound fees and storage charges can add £150 plus £15 a day, no tax £80 fine - if the court wishes it can fine you based on income, insurance companies will bend you over double if you aren’t blacklisted

[@kieranfaulkner8214]

The whole system is just so frustrating. Considering there's no difference between an A2 and A bike why aren't you allowed to ride whatever one. The tests are almost identical for A1, A2 and A. I have a 125cc and have ridden around on a R1 for a day (on private property so it was legal) but the fundamental skills are there. It's just another bull shit law to milk us for money

[@spicy110]

Not disagreeing with your point just clarifying for anyone reading this comment. It's not a great system but A1 125cc only so it's a one-shot licence if you only want a 125cc ever. Also there is a great difference between A2 and A bikes. A max of 48bhp vs up to 200bhp+ that is a very big difference and one I find people have trouble understanding. I understand both sides of the argument and I can't come up with a better way that removes all the pit falls.

[@whiskyeet]

I got caught in a car in late 2017, charged in 2018. 3 years of continuous driving experience at this point with no problems at all somehow. No licence, no insurance etc. I was doing 60 in a 30, however the officer who pulled me over appreciated my honesty and never mentioned the speed in his reports. Initially I got a ban however they had made error in not hearing my plea and it went back, I chose to appear this time even though I was advised that my plea via email would still be heard and I was not required to attend. I briefly explained the situation, said guilty and all that jazz, got 6 points for no insurance and a £120 fine for no licence. That never stopped me, but I made the decision a year ago to not go on the road again until I'm legal and I'm finally getting a Lexmoto Adrenaline in the next few weeks, CBT pending due to 'rona.

[@spicy110]

Good honestly and I am sure not having to look over your shoulder all the time will be nice. (Apart from shoulder checks while riding of course haha)

[@whiskyeet]

@@spicy110 oh there will defo be a lot of shoulder checks, I don't trust any fucker on the road lmao Good to see you still upload man, I watched you back before motovlogging peaked. Same content, very enjoyable.

[@timmason7430]

I rode my DT125lc(1year old at the time). I has Loads of fun for two years and then passed my test. Rode it for another year until I could afford to upgrade. It was the most fun riding I've EVER HAD! Since then the Bigger more powerful Bikes I've owned had Garnered MORE responsibility Because of their power and performance. Ride Safe...

[@FaZeredemption3]

Meanwhile over here in the us I got a ninja 636 stuntbike 120hp and a ninja zx10r 200hp... I'm 21.... UK is wild lol.

[@spicy110]

Yes your laws are much more relaxed. However, the motorcyclist death rate is way higher in the US. Seems you allow people to take their own risks, that can have it's pros and cons. 👍