15's Theme Dot and Bubble | Doctor Who | 'The Vale'

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[@dwfan91-]

So goddamn good. In a way this is almost an inverse of the Rings of Akhaten, using a few notes from that episode to highlight how there the speech worked and how here it didn't. Simply epic stuff

[@twolve]

omg hello 91st doctor who fan did you like the soundtrack this episode

[@dwfan91-]

@@twolve I liked everything about this episode

[@twolve]

@@dwfan91- the goat

[@StagTwo]

Oh yeah! It is like Rings of Akhaten, good spot! Also love the videos bro.

[@KelamHB]

Literally THIS! As soon as those higher notes come in to the lower ones, I thought it sounded like Rings of Akhaten! at round 00:30

[@harrytheseal6566]

Never have I ever hated someone from doctor who before. The residents of Finetime took the cake

[@DoctorMysterio15]

Yeah, no wonder why the dots turned against them and the slugs were chasing them.

[@rhodrage]

In a universe where Daleks exist, creatures that live to hate every other living being in existence, the people of Fine Time were still worse.

[@spaceboomer564]

It's a great twist that the evil AI actually had a good reason to turn against its users.

[@LeDayz]

The Daleks at least are funny!

[@JoelGrant-yo8b]

​Exactly because The Daleks didn't chose to be racist, Finetime did.

[@HomicidalPandaHD]

there's a few notes in the middle that sound like rings of akhaten

[@007scraps]

yes exactly!!!

[@official_wonnie]

I thought I was the only one that heard it, fascinating moment of sound

[@roguexxrenegade]

My jaw dropped when I heard it

[@nunbxtch]

0:29 and yes you're so correct

[@SceneSurgeSnippets]

timestamp?

[@planetbumble5060]

Exactly why we needed Murray Gold back. This was one of the most impactful scenes in the entire show I had goosebumps the entire time.

[@timelordhonour]

He just needs to learn one thing from Segun (and that is releasing the soundtrack albums in a timely manner).

[@MrsMoores]

It felt like the music really represented the Doctor's want to save them, but it kept being pushed down. I love the music design!

[@Shazampool]

The music in this scene and the whole episode was brilliant

[@avaaheroxdreemurr4573]

That’s Murray Gold for ya!

[@RealSweetTom]

The last 2 Doctor-lite episodes have been strangely haunting. 73 yards stayed with me watching Ruby grow old and alone, and this one just exaggerated my anxieties about social media nowadays.

[@brandotenda]

yeah it's kind of crazy as someone who grew up to watch social media begin as this small niche thing to dominate our lives how racism has somehow gotten WORSE over the past 20 years. the language is more subtle, but in more recent times it's become much more direct, the attitudes much more violent. it's crazy how when i grew up in the 10s i was lowkey annoyed of "SJWs" and liberals or whatever dominating everything but now in the early 2020s it feels so normalized and stronger than ever. social media has regressed our standards on how to treat fellow human beings and only fanned the flames of fundamentalism, nationalism, and outright racism and this episode was an incredible commentary on the insular echo chambers that leads to such ugly xenophobic tendencies calcifying into a culture that passes it off as normal.

[@OMGKangelx]

@@brandotenda what was this word vomet

[@joaquinhurtado-tapia4369]

Hear me out From 0:23 to 0:36 we can clearly listen to a "The Long Song" inversion, while we can hear from 0:36 till the end of the song several leitmotifs from the 12th Doctor's merged all into one.

[@pianoif]

I think that's reaching a bit

[@whateversonmymind6690]

maaaate yes I can hear that

[@thebasicviewer9690]

No from 0:36 is 15s theme

[@pianoif]

@@thebasicviewer9690 exactly theres no new theme here

[@mercmattgaming3671]

did I get regeneration like music in the beginning

[@PapaLuge]

Why was dot and bubble actually so good tho

[@ryandunphy60]

Facts

[@ZDProds-c8p]

The final 10 minutes were good, rest of it was average surely

[@Mrchair-bk5ns]

I thought from the promo that it would suck but it's really strong.

[@quindecim7507]

@@ZDProds-c8p The final 10 minutes were good because it was the climax of the episode. If the rest of the episode hadn't been building up to that moment, it wouldn't have hit as hard. Also I genuinely don't get what people didn't like about it other than the fact that the Doctor wasn't omnipresent for the entire episode. It was great, had horrifying new CGI monsters, gutwrenching horror, tension, and mystery. The revelation that the entire homeworld was destroyed was a gut punch. The whole episode kept delivering with heavy twists that were all great.

[@NeroSparda99]

@@ZDProds-c8p this makes no sense, it’s only as strong because of what came before especially on rewatch.

[@SavagingFlash]

Murray Gold being awesome as always!

[@arongyulai7433]

I am very happy that he is back

[@badwolf66]

It kind of has a James Bond feel to it.

[@jens3n522]

Glad I’m not the only one who thought that

[@CeceSaysHi_950]

Yesss

[@danielpurdy9328]

Absolutely

[@forcedalek]

Thats exactly what I thought, specifically when he turns around

[@PhoenixWrightAceAttorney]

You're talking about 0:42, right? I know you were!

[@ryandunphy60]

Yes! His theme is epic as it is, but this variation hits different

[@forcedalek]

Its so much more cinematic

[@ryandunphy60]

@@forcedalekoh yes! I know someone else said it but it has a James Bond feel. But to me the scene shows that sometimes the Doctor doesn’t always win and this music showcases that to a T

[@amritpalhh9836]

That was one of the darkest episodes I’ve ever seen of dr who

[@DalekCaanOfSkaro]

One word: Goosebumps

[@forcedalek]

Real

[@miakx]

Some of the notes in the middle are straight up from the Long Song in the Rings of Akhaten

[@HyperDaveUK]

With the lyrics of Wake Up missing 🙂

[@nunbxtch]

0:29

[@eggsbox]

@@HyperDaveUK there's been a _lot_ of dialogue this season about dreaming. maybe the _music_ is telling him to wake up.

[@w33shy26]

Love how you can hear a motif from The Long Song, then it slowly fades into a dark version of Fifteenth

[@g_d0490]

Anyone else get flashbacks to 11's regeneration at 0:27?

[@thefilmmusicaficionado7937]

And that's why Murray Gold is the GOAT! The GOOOATTTTT!!

[@gene1131]

It was perfect. Perfect. Everything, down to the last minute details.

[@RedCaio]

0:49 "Beware, the Phantom of the Opera"

[@RonnieRoberts_]

I’m starting to get concerned we’ll never get an official release of the soundtrack as we still haven’t gotten Series 10 & the 60th Specials yet

[@TinOfBeans]

Murray uploaded the Goblin Song which gives me hope that at least this season will get released

[@calumobrien9234]

I can’t find a link so take it with a generous pinch of salt, but I’m fairly sure I saw something somewhere about there being plans to release series 10 OST.

[@boiwifeyasmr4U]

This season is the best since series 8 for me. I love series 8

[@trygon_stingray]

As someone who also lives series 8, I completely agree! This series started fairly basic with Space Babies (and I totally get why, it’s a jumping-on point for new viewers to get used to the format), but each episode since has gotten progressively better, with 73 Yards and this one being masterpieces. I love the creeping emergence of the supernatural, and how many of the episodes completely subvert their initial premise.

[@AndrewPRoberts]

You know I've never agreed with an evil ai wanting to destroy humanity before ..........but......

[@Infinitystar225]

The people of Finetime aren't human, you can see their blood is a blue/green colour in the episode. Gives "blue-bloods" a quite literal meaning, man that episode is so good.

[@AndrewPRoberts]

@@Infinitystar225 You're right, I forgot about that

[@nicolastutorias3478]

This soundtrack will be this doctor's regeneration music, listen to what I'm saying

[@mrtingals2738]

The part that uses the notes from the rings of Akhaten just before fithteen's kicks in sounds so pessimisticly hopeful, which isn't something id be using to describe anything

[@maxkennedy7430]

*The Oncoming Storm…*

[@ryandunphy60]

Yes…..the storm approaches 🔥🔥🔥

[@forcedalek]

so excited

[@braddsfx8921]

So far, and by far, my favourite moment of 15 and Ncuti Gatwa as a whole.

[@immaturedinosaur]

I felt it when he screamed

[@louiscarmichael9260]

A slower Rings of Akhaten meets James Bond! Awesome stuff like Gold's old bangers

[@keestar8740]

I can hear a touch of rings of akateen ✨ chills

[@ffedexs]

I need a loop of the first 30 secs it’s so good

[@alexmailen3708]

This music and Ncuti’s final moment where he looks back made me wonder if we’re going to see 15 take a darker turn

[@certifiedlov3rgirl]

It really feels like theres elements of frustration in there but then I also agree with other comments stating there’s some James Bond in there I think there’ll be a vengeance episode and the Doctor will come out on top

[@meltedman]

proper goosebumps I had hearing this !!

[@Blue777Dragon]

Anybody else think this theme, at least the beginning will be his regeneration music?

[@timeywimeybrony]

Why do I feel like a mix of this and "Saving the Doctor" would match good

[@solitarymaninblack]

Definitely need to get the soundtrack.

[@WibblyWobblyChannel]

Murray's still got it- I wish he would go this hard for all the themes though (even though he has been doing great so far)

[@JonathonMitchell-ig4bv]

Sorry Dr. I always says never trust good people.

[@TotherKoala]

If this is 'the vale' Is 14's dark theme 'the yard'

[@BenSwithen]

From around 0.21 to 0.36 it evoked The Rings of Akhaten for me.

[@andrewchilds2349]

This will be his theme when it is his time to regenerate

[@mercmattgaming3671]

do i hear future regenaration music at that beginning bit ;)

[@tidalwavefilms2113]

Is it just me that noticed the title sequence was a little faster than usual?

[@eclipsor117]

I loved this theme

[@barney9456]

Some notes sounded like the music that plays in the closing scenes of Children of Earth when Jack leaves earth

[@pronkt]

I knew I recognised it from somewhere and was trying so hard to remember where i'd heard it before but you're so right!!

[@calumgardner6936]

I’m betting all my money that’ll play again either in the finale or when Ncuti has a full-on Time Lord Victorious moment and has really goes too far

[@barney9456]

I hope it does play again, like in the lead up to the finale would be awesome

[@smlfan92]

Imagine this theme was 15th regeneration

[@timeywimeybrony]

BEAUTIFUL!!!!

[@cirrusB612]

Sorry, it’s called “the Vale?” I understand it could mean “vale” as in “goodbye” but I can’t help but think of the Valeyard

[@adinakruijssen3056]

Maybe because the finetime survivors were going out into the vale (the wilderness we were shown, which had rivers between hills like the description of a vale). But it's definitely reminiscent of the Valeyard! Also, I've never heard of vale meaning goodbye? I know it can mean "ok" in Spanish but besides that and the English word for the natural area I described (basically a valley), I don't know any other meaning for vale

[@cirrusB612]

@@adinakruijssen3056 Oh sorry--that was a running thing back in Ten's day; there was a track in the OST called "vale decem" which meant "goodbye ten" in Latin or something.

[@Blazing_Ninja]

I love the part from 0:36 onwards!

[@Freezer28528]

amazing music

[@Scroteydada]

The long song

[@rebelprincess1164]

The Doctor’s theme (racism edition)

[@romulansenate]

Vale for Valeyard perhaps?

[@RespectMyArthurity]

The Vale as in the Valeyard?

[@Corlwow]

Wait its called THE VALE?????

[@ThetaWhovian12]

Is The Vale the official name? Considering the Valeyard rumours...

[@NeroSparda99]

Vale is far well in Latin, we are done with the valeyard

[@ThetaWhovian12]

@@NeroSparda99 Nobody knows yet. I think they could easily do something with the Valeyard

[@mattoryu]

@@ThetaWhovian12 10's farewell song was called "Vale Decem" meaning farewell 10.

[@forcedalek]

I came up with the name myself, Vale meaning farewell (leaving the people behind) and also cause this was the Doctor turning a bit darker..

[@ThetaWhovian12]

@@forcedalek Oh I see

[@tidalwavefilms2113]

What actually happened to the slug things? They weren’t actually defeated

[@ultimateme3049]

They will probably eventually find and eat the residents, since the morons didn't leave the planet.

[@HB-fq9nn]

They’re just chilling in the city and the Homeworld.

[@tidalwavefilms2113]

@@HB-fq9nn I’d like to see a villain actually defeated by Ncuti

[@HB-fq9nn]

@@tidalwavefilms2113 Maybe it will happen with the shapeshifting bird people next time?

[@IronBahamut]

Probably just chilling. The Dots created them to murder all the assholes not conquer the universe or anything

[@Zestieee]

it has quite a Marvel nuance to it I reckon

[@williamchapple8886]

Anyone else notice small motifs of The Long Song/Infinite Potential between 0:11-0:31?

[@TJ_ax]

Could care less about this show - but the music is fucking phenomenal.

[@GarethMcD-zq8ei]

Music did not need to hit hard for this goofy ass scene, like the dr is turning over to the bloody dark side. Music is good tho fr Noooooooooo! ~

[@ciaran_telfer_18]

Such a boring episode, like most the series. The best bit was this musical piece playing now.

[@fortynine3225]

LGBTQ content right here.

[@gwinnellheald8592]

Its like if the speech failed in rings of akhaten. Similar notes, darker ending.

[@theneondragon004]

There's something very Darth Vader about this version of the theme. God, I can't wait for more doctor-dark

[@forcedalek]

ME TOO!

[@Pendleton115]

Would be cool to see ncuti do a reverse 9, where over time he becomes more and more mean spirited and begins to close himself off from the people around him.

[@ainfajofaf8118]

The Doctor getting dark is my favourite thing about the show. Ncuti would absolutely eat it up too.

[@db5094]

@@Pendleton115 i was about to say, this doctor was touted as the sort of "rebirth", split from the 14th doctor that needed to heal his traumas, and able to move on, so it would be interesting to see him lose his innocence in a way, having to handle this sort of moral contamination

[@Pendleton115]

@@db5094 I really hope this is the direction they’re going in. Kind of like what happened to 10, but even more dramatic

[@MrElmo54321]

The as thing was as much as they needed saving they never really deserved it asides Ricky, but like in the Titanic Christmas special, we can’t choose who lives and who dies, that would make us monsters.

[@DoctorMysterio15]

The posh kids were being hunted down by the dots and the slugs and they were created by someone who strongly disagreed with that principle.

[@skadoosh6000]

WHEN IS MURRAY RELEASING ALL THESE AND THE 60TH SOUNDTRACK BROO I WANT TO LISTEN TO THE TOYMAKER'S THEME

[@henrybartram9854]

We still need the S10 ost as well!

[@asentientcactus]

Ok but “The Vale” is SUSPICIOUSLY close to “The Valeyard” for The Doctor’s theme

[@pholobodob]

Vale means farewell in Latin

[@Sidus666]

Or Vale Decem xd

[@matheusflores619]

I think that's a fanmade title

[@9nikolai]

Waiting for the 14th Doctor spin-off having a theme called "The Yard"

[@Jell000]

Murray Gold. Honestly what a legend

[@AttakusZakus]

Wait. Is it actually called “The Vale” on the soundtrack, or is that what you’re calling it? Because if that’s the case, Valeyard confirmed?

[@GoblinUptheLoftInsulationFoam]

My thoughts as well. Its probably just what the uploader is calling it, but if not then Holy shit!

[@Jay244]

Vale is the Latin Word for Farewell. e.g. 10's final track is called "Vale Decem", or, "Farewell 10"

[@AttakusZakus]

@@Jay244 Ah, okay. So “The Farewell”. Makes much more sense.

[@forcedalek]

I came up with the name myself, Vale meaning farewell (leaving the people behind) and also cause this was the Doctor turning a bit darker..

[@TheWhoniversalMan]

There is no official soundtrack release. Other than The Goblin Song as a single, we haven't had anything officially released since the Series 9 album in 2018. Just lots of fan rips!

[@leeseth]

oh my god, the way I heard all the beats to fifteen while he was having that meltdown... felt it to the core

[@NEWMAN0067]

Ive love the whole series so far, but this is the first time i immediately went back to watch a scene again and again... oh my god its so good

[@pinzokiyama3387]

The Long Song was always used for heartwarmingly tearjerking moments. This moment… was just a plain tearjerker for it to be sampled.

[@SumnerMultimedia]

It's so fucking Bond bro, I love it

[@TimeandRelativeGaming2015]

Oh Murray gold you strike time and time again

[@gerrardjones28]

Sounds so good! Too me this music either feels like The Doctor failing or him leaving them too die, tbh Ncuti has been through a lot do far, i feel bad for him

[@fullriver1234]

I wasn’t looking forward to the social media/phone bad episode but it really surprised me. Can’t wait to see even more iconic Ncuti moments after this.

[@jaybennet4491]

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I had to report this video for emotional abuse. I can't- It's just so bitter and sad and it pulls on my heart so so tightly

[@krpowe6663]

I find this Doctor too emotional. I don't remember the first ones but hadn't he cry in every episodes he appeared in (except maybe the Toymaker one)

[@boiwifeyasmr4U]

I know this might be a controversial thing, but to me this seems like The Doctor experiencing racism for the first time and not knowing what to do with it

[@pianoif]

This is. They were racist. This is not subtext.

[@audiebridge3103]

I think it was deliberately done so you can interpret it as either racist or classist. Or both. They obviously aren't mutually exclusive ​@pianoif

[@boiwifeyasmr4U]

@@pianoif I know. Me just trying not to make ppl angry if they think differently

[@pianoif]

@@audiebridge3103 No in bts Russell says it's meant to be blatantly racist.

[@DrPickle205]

its very obviously racism and you can see the protag being racist towards the doctor throughout the whole episode,

[@david.l8698]

RTD: "No more darker half, did you really think id let that happen?" Dr: you dont know me! RTD: "Don't I?"

[@TheRedGoldfish]

I wonder if this will be the music played when he (hopefully not for a long time) regenerates into the next doctor

[@maciejwisniewski496]

Murray Gold bringing a short variant of "The Long Song" from Series 7B's "The Rings of Akhaten", then moving seamlessly into the darker variant of Fifteen... Currently, the best episode of Series 14 and the best music of this series!

[@zinoxechill]

They somehow made even the Daleks look good, they’d accept help

[@WillByrne-mc4ub]

I want to know what sutekh was up to during day of the doctor

[@thaliavision1918]

I hope we hear this theme again.

[@Pokewho-6475]

Probably will play it during 15 to 16

[@doctorson7026]

The best Doctor Who Ost since 2017

[@jimii.doctor]

Regeneration music fr

[@zacroper3577]

John Barry would be proud.

[@Jack-hr9xw]

Good to see a darker side to 15 ❤

[@justarandomguy2424]

its called the vale? next season there's going to be a theme called the yard, I'm calling it

[@DARKFIRE2008]

This episode felt open ended again and I actually love it like how the girl betrays that Rick guy and the Doctor barley realises and again what were those creatures it feels like the doctor is realising something strange is going on and that theme made it even weirder I’m telling you that girl has got smth to do with this big twist

[@richardsaxty2911]

And Susan Twist played her mum. Something interesting going on with this episode for sure.

[@DARKFIRE2008]

@@richardsaxty2911 definitely I 100% agree I genuinely think this episode is supposed to look like just any other doctor who episode but I think it’s KEY to this plot twist

[@johnstevenson1861]

Theory Time: Everything lives and everything dies. And sometimes Doctor. You can't save every society that doesn't need or deserve saving. No matter how noble your intentions are. You're a good person, Doctor. However, despite all your regenerations. Underneath it all you care too much for humanity. Too much that it could become your own undoing. Blinding on what is in front of you and what really matters. (Referring to Ruby and others.) Tread lightly, Doctor. While your journey for this planet has reached its end. You should focus on your companions. For they are the parts that make you…you. Especially in the dark of times when you really need it right now. End theory. Thanks to anyone who reads this.

[@thaliavision1918]

I love the use of the same instruments of 15's original theme we heard from the Giggle.

[@tomasdimblebyweber2703]

The VALE? VALE-YARD!?!

[@wardjunior1450]

Murray gold is too good for this

[@Ownerislost]

For some reason when it started playing I thought it was gonna be a new variation of the Shepherd's Boy 😂 definitely one of my favourite songs of the season tho

[@muazo9916]

The beginning of it gave me rings of akhaten vibes

[@Logan_alexander_gaming]

If that teen attituded, clumsy, good for nothing, murderer comes back, I might be done.

[@Mrchair-bk5ns]

The only thing that I hope is that she is dead but she won't be. She was raised without intimacy as such I am assuming that she is a sociopath. She's also the daughter of a weapon's manufacturer. The self-proclaimed leader of the survivors said that they wanted to be "pioneers like our ancestors" which hints at new world America colonialism. I wouldn't be surprised if she comes back as the leader of the survivors. I just hope she gets a reckoning. It's amazing to me how they muted the brutal death of the good finetime character because the doctor wouldn't have stood one minute learning the truth. Ncuti is proving himself to be the doctor. I bet he would have tore her a new one if he knew.

[@Logan_alexander_gaming]

@@Mrchair-bk5ns Yeah, I already heavily disliked the character, but when Rick died she became the worst character in the show ever. My first thought when he offered to take them with him was "she's gonna be out of the Tardis, as soon as he finds out what happened to Rick". No wonder the dots grew to hate these people, it was utterly deserved.

[@linkjourney422]

This gives me Valeyard vibes for some reason.