How To Write A Terrifying Villain - The Boys

[@TheCloserLook]

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[@choopgod1699]

I literally just watched this show, amazing to see

[@zzkeekzz]

How is this comment older than the video?

[@seamuswalker6879]

Thanks Henry!

[@mc-inversal7069]

You sound like stampylongednose/headed or whatever he is hmm yes great breakdown, homelander's always a bit tricky to put your finger on. But really clearly just fearsome. Petrifying to imagine yourself as him. thx for breaking this down

[@GuantaiN]

It was awesome, as always.

[@hannah.e.young.]

One of the most terrifying lines I’ve ever heard was Homelander’s “I’ll lose everything, but then I’ll have nothing to lose”

[@only_fair23]

Yep, because you know the only thing stopping him from killing everyone is his own ego.

[@CliffCardi]

One of Israel’s defense policies is called “The Samson Option”, whereupon it gets overrun, with launch all its nuclear weapons everywhere and hit everyone. This is a reference when the haircut-Samson prays to God for strength after being chained up in a palace of Philistines, receives it, and literally brings down the house killing himself and everyone inside it. Homelander is very capable of pulling this off.

[@electromancer2645]

​@CLB Ronin you have no idea how this series will end. They have already killed off the possibility for this to end anything like the comics ending

[@revolt_4588]

@@CliffCardi jew moment

[@williehaller5840]

It's only when you've lost everything that you're free to do anything

[@Marshmellow3971]

I think the actor deserves as much credit as the writers. A lot of what makes Homelander so terrifying are the subtle changes in his facial expressions, tone of voice and body language that make him seem unpredictable and chaotic. He really sells the idea of being one mild criticism away from losing his mind.

[@picklepeppers6983]

Every scene I see Antony Starr (Homelander) in makes me nervous because he plays his role SO exceptionally well! He really does deserve accolades because he is so good at it!

[@williamedwards4151]

Absolutely! He is such a damn good actor. So convincing. You can really believe that Homelander is totally unhinged. He's next level.

[@yuro5833]

Apparently he acts like homelander in real life too so maybe that makes it easier

[@picklepeppers6983]

@@yuro5833 - have there been more than one account or a history of him doing stuff in this nature to suggest that he acts like his character Homelander?

[@hadzhere]

agree, anthony starr deserves most (if not all of the credit) for the amazing homelander character. he does such a great job that when he's not being totally villainous, i actually feel sorry for the character (he's not just evil, he's also broken).

[@micahclawrence]

Starr can’t be commended enough. Those lines and being in that suit…it could easily come off as corny. He murders that role.

[@carolineyuen3247]

He was born to be a Starr

[@GooseWithAtophat]

@@carolineyuen3247 Oh shut up

[@bookofnamzays9477]

Those lines (bulge)

[@jackthecommenter2768]

@@bookofnamzays9477 YO???

[@dirtyunclehubert]

i wonder ....is it padded? nevermind.

[@percy-t5k]

I think another thing that makes him terrifying is how easily he turns the tables, like when Starlight threatens to destroy his career and he just points out that if she did, he would have no reason to be "good" anymore. He would just kill everyone, and the only thing stopping him from doing that is his love for his public image

[@septanine5936]

yeah. it's like he's hanging on by one thread that is his public image. the entire situation is so fragile, because while the characters may want to expose him, doing that would release him upon the world unrestrained. so their only bet is to try and kill him without cutting the thread.

[@mikepatton8691]

"I'd prefer to be loved but I'll settle for being feared", is what I remember he says to Starlight in that moment. Terrifying

[@dbmoti]

@@septanine5936 Great explanation. I think what you explained is basically a break down of the main plot. Imo everything is just other (amazing) character development plot branches. The climax of the show is basically wlll the world survive from the uncertainty of Homelander(with other mini climaxes like Butcher's death, how Ryan ends up(Dad dying could mean bad news if hes trained enough), what kind of person does Hughie become, how does MM come to terms with himself, how Frenchie and Kimiko end up, etc.). Brilliantly written story.

[@hassanes3360]

It's actually crazy, because in season 1 and 2. Homelander's weakness is public perception and being ostracized, but in season 3 he straight up says "Tell them, I don't care anymore. What are they gonna do about it?", when Homelander genuinely angry and realizes his weakness is irrelevant, he is genuinely terrifying

[@Catkilledmeowbob]

He has a great video on the “give and take” and I think that was a perfect example of it. Finally a weapon against homelander, something to keep him in line, then power shift, keep homelander loved because if not he will entrenched himself with fear, you decide which one you want. It really was a spectacular chess move and really builds the tension.

[@GreenFalcon926]

I think his weakness going forwards is going to be Ryan. I like that the writers made this crazy nutjob a caring father. Gives him so much more depth.

[@rhetiq9989]

Stormfront’s death was the thing that pushed him over the edge

[@hassanes3360]

@@GreenFalcon926 I was thinking about that and surely a plan to take down homelander has to involve Ryan. Which would really raise the question of who would be the bad guy here

[@emmaesta9444]

This! My bf complained abt how he should just laser anyone in his way and i argued that he adored the positive public perception. He adored being wanted and loved - something he never got as a child and while it was tense to see what he'd do next, i never truly feared him bc of that fault. Now that its gone and now that the season finale shows that his crazy fans would still love him even after killing someone, its terrifying. Hes now a monster of all monsters bc he will still have that love that he yearns for no matter what he does

[@NourArt02]

What makes Homelander terrifying is not because he's evil, it's because even when he's friendly you're not really sure of what he'll do .. he's a very complex character, and Anthony Starr's performance made him even more terrifying.

[@dtk673]

But also because he's evil.

[@MIICAH2]

@@dtk673 I wouldn't say evil, he has a really short fuse

[@dtk673]

@@MIICAH2 Not all people with Short tempers do horrible things

[@dumbassdude8372]

No what makes homelander terrifying is because he can end the world if he wanted to and it feels like he is one stubbed toe away from doing so

[@dtk673]

@@dumbassdude8372 I don't think so, if this was true so many other tv/movie characters would be terrifying, if this were true. This is my opinion though you might think differently.

[@thegunslinger1363]

Antony Starr never failed to make me nervous in any scene he was in. A seriously incredible actor.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Or seriously credible...

[@SilentStone13]

@@darrengordon-hill 👌🏻

[@Cipher_Paul]

Even when it was just good old regular Antony Starr during a normal real-life interview 😂

[@addy3164]

It sucks that he got missed out on having an Emmy nomination this year

[@Jim73]

is anthony starr related to martin starr? What's the deall with the last name starr?

[@Paxton365]

Bro, as someone who has never watched The Boys before, that scene with Homelander and the disabled hero scared the shit out of me. Masterfully well done.

[@jacobdoestuff9851]

When he slapped that boy off the roof caught me off guard.

[@ellierobertson5083]

If that freaked you out def do not watch the boys because it gets so so so much worse that scene is not even top 10 most horrifying scenes 😭😭

[@Paxton365]

@@ellierobertson5083 It just scared me cuz I didn’t expect it. Mind you that was the first ever scene of the boys I’ve watched other than trailers.

[@ellierobertson5083]

@@Paxton365 the first 5 minutes actually had me hiding my face in my hands and I'm a huge horror fan and generally don't get scared by movies

[@sunb5738]

​@@ellierobertson5083Istg it got me stuck in Pikachu shock face for like 10 minute lmao Like, woah ok, this is how it's gonna be, ok :0

[@deadgame2098]

He's honestly much scarier when he chooses NOT to kill/hurt someone, because you see just how close he was to doing it. It's like the tiniest fraying rope holding back a hungry tiger from killing a child in it's enclosure.

[@dafuzzbear7711]

Exactly. It’s like killing them is normally a more predictable ending to the scene and thus more comforting but him not killing them just leaves you with a feeling of unknowing of his actions in the near future.

[@USSWisconsin]

It's like pulling and pulling on the rope and just as it's giving out the tigers sedated, or a character stuck in a burning car and they get out as it explodes but are fine.

[@NikkiBudders]

I think there's that instinctual fear in humans at brushes with death like this. It's that life flashing before your eyes panic then you survive but the panic has nowhere to go

[@icewaterwitlemon]

omg yes like every scene with Ashley

[@Shanenigans204]

yummers.

[@yessir650]

The daydreaming scene where homelander casually mows down a ton of protesters really sold me on him as a villain - especially now that he killed a protestor that threw a soda can(?) at him and had his followers cheer him on

[@edmardisla8492]

Yes, it was A-Train's soda lol

[@Hibernathan05]

I think that is a testament to how unpredictable he is. When I first saw that scene I genuinely thought he had done it for real. I didn't even doubt it, I thought that was where he broke. It was only when it snapped back into reality that I realized.

[@feister2869]

@@Hibernathan05 holy shit, I really actually believed he lasered all those protesters for real.

[@ChefofWar33]

It totally got me

[@hondaguy9153]

Him killing that guy in public makes me think that's the breaking point where homelander already gave up the "being loved" persona. In the video he states homelander will have a breaking bad point, but I believe that's already happened.

[@aceyspud551]

“Being mad doesn’t mean you’ll do literally anything for no reason” Harley Quinn is at her worst when writers don’t know this.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Even a "mad" villain has their own logic on what they do. It isn't what "normal" people see, but in their deranged mind, it all makes sense. Basically the idea of "every villain is the hero in their story"

[@Justmonika6969]

@@HappyBeezerStudios It's because what is "mad" to us, is sane to them. Usually mad people don't think of themselves as mad but sane people who just believe different things that are unacceptable by society. They might think society is insane (and maybe even be somewhat right) as is the case with Joker (2019).

[@adrianli7559]

Harley was introduced in Batman: The Animated Series, and even in her most manic scenes, there was always an undertone of tragedy. They dedicated an entire episode to her origins and her descent into madness. Even though the Harley Quinn show is a comedy, they still balanced it out with scenes which outline the tragic nature of the character. That balancing act is why she became such a popular character. With the movies, all they completely ignored those things and went for the 'crazy lady goes brrr' route.

[@gwenethp511]

@@adrianli7559 her main idea was to represent an abusive relationship and her realization that the Joker was never in love with her and just using her. Then all of the new writers were like "omg couple goals!!!" Harley can be written incredibly well and then also... very easily poorly. It sucks because she was such a great character!

[@DemigodoftheSea]

@@gwenethp511 Or they used her to push the extremely homophobic and sexualized stereotype of "A woman is abused by a man and that turns her into a lesbian! Oh my goodness, look at this girl power!"

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

The main thing that makes Homelander scary to me isn’t only his power, it’s that mentally he’s still essentially a child. Not only that but a heavily traumatised child. Anyone who’s spent even a limited amount of time around children knows how unpredictable they can be, you never quite know for sure what they’re gonna do at any given moment, one minute they’re a little angel, next minute they might snap if even one thing goes slightly wrong for them or they don’t get their way or even just because they feel like it. Combine that unpredictability with the power of a essentially a god, I can’t think of anything more terrifying than that combination.

[@atherisGAY]

Childish God is an apt description.

[@arnolddawson5747]

yeah done before Frankenstein's monster for instance@@atherisGAY

[@AFeralTrout420]

True enough for homelander

[@godzillazfriction]

with the notion that the Original Post is going for then every Human is essentially just a 'child'...

[@IisLasagna]

As a child with anger issues, i csaen bi yuor angle or ur devli😈

[@mito._]

I think a huge point worth mentioning is the fact that Homelander had a really unusual childhood - being that he was essentially grown and raised in a lab, without parents, and has likely developed sociopathic tendencies (or some other psychological diagnosis) which also makes him characteristically unpredictable. Because how many of us know someone who was raised in a lab? Who knows what makes Homelander tick? None of us truly do.

[@mito._]

Also, consider that Homelander used to be like Starlight back when he first joined The Seven. And because of someone else's f-up he couldn't be the hero he wanted to be, and instead had to tell a lie, covering up the truth to save the public image of Vought and, by extension, himself. Which is also why Homelander's mirror scene was so powerful. He's been through a lot.

[@phuturephunk]

@@mito._ Yeah, in a way there's a certain type of very human tragedy that I think is always acting as an undercurrent of his character. It's easy to try to think what it would be like to be essentially lab grown with amoral scientists not even trying to be an actual parent to us. As bad as he's demonstrated to be, you can kind of understand (not condone, but understand) how he acts out in the context of the fictional setting. The mirror scene is the perfect example of showing this. Even below the terror there is still a human that doesn't understand why he can't find actual love or acceptance or real connection or anything. It's lost to him but he understands that loss exists. It's not nihilistic. He gets that he's missing something key to being a fulfilled, complete human.

[@westphalianstallion4293]

@@phuturephunk Yes, the tragic aspect of his personality gets a bit lost in this ohterwise great video. Maybe its because the focus is about his fear factor. Besides that is he a great and very complex charakter. Even if his fabricated backstory would be his childhood, he would still be isolated by his power alone. The narzissism is even more complex when you consider the fact, that he is literally superior than any one else (maybe not intelectually) but still is co dependend for the love and admiration of lesser creatures, who he dispises, because they can never understand him and used him as a tool. This is such a great spiral of misery. Especially when you add the animated show, where he really tried to be good.

[@Alcatr]

@@mito._ whose what fault

[@ヽ゚ー゚ノ-r9v]

@@westphalianstallion4293 spoiler. . . . . . . . . He loves his kid and tries to be a good father (in his own way). I kinda like his character tbh not the murder part but the being a father part.

[@Toma-621]

Antony Starr deserves an award for his performance in this show. A lesser actor would’ve made Homelander look cartoonish or cringe worthy. His mannerisms perfectly portrayed a psychopath down to the slightest of twitches.

[@zigfaust]

For real. Every clench of his jaw, movement of his eyes, fucking just the way he breathes conveys more layers to Homelander than the dialouge itself lends sometimes. Ant-Star def is one of the better actors of this time period and gets slept on. I wonder if he did something to piss off the Academy?

[@BlacK40k]

Homelander is not a Psychopath, they are born with their condition. Homelander fits more in the "Sociopath" category

[@tetra_kirby5691]

@@BlacK40k yeah, and psychopaths fake empathy, sociopaths do cant

[@Lakthul]

@@BlacK40k Even then, I don't think he's a sociopath. It looks more like he has Narcissism.

[@BlacK40k]

@@Lakthul Both. He fits what is called a "malignant Narcissist", somebody who suffers from Narcisstic personality disorder with traits of Anti Social personality disorder (known as Sociopathy). Wild guess though, I am not a psychologist

[@Cupidador]

the fact that he could quite literally snap anyone on screen's head off at the blink of an eye is crazy also the fact that literally EVERYONE is terrified of him and are scared to cross him (except for butcher)

[@jillianbrodsky]

butcher is too self-destructive to care tbh

[@tomob5715]

That’s true, until the latest series. He looked so poor actually fighting and didn’t seem all that powerful ar all. Ruined for me

[@tomob5715]

@womenshouldcookandcleanunp6159 Just shattered the whole thing for me, the fear and his presence is purely determined by 'what happens if he actually loses it'...well he kind of did, and it was crap lol

[@ComedyGlor]

And stan Edgar

[@kanishkjaiswal5088]

@@tomob5715 I dont think he actually lost it there. I fear we will get to see his true face in the fourth season. And now that soldier boy has gone he has again become a threat.

[@ryangraff102]

One other thing I like about Homelander is that they sometimes give him relatable goals and motivations, like wanting to be a good dad. It makes him feel more real, and thus makes his scary side even scarier.

[@yuarentlucky]

The scene where Homelander decided to leave that restaurant about him because Ryan was freaking out due to his powers was such a great way to show that! It's a rare moment of empathy from Homelander.

[@sky-trevishere9638]

@@yuarentluckybut then it also makes you think about why he did it. You’ll see in later episodes regarding Ryan that makes you realize he has a mess of things he wants to do with Ryan. *Spoilers on season two and three for anyone who hasn’t watched.* There’s various scenes with Homelander actually caring for Ryan. Such as the scene you described, and him telling Rebecca that sealing him off from the rest of the world won’t do him any good, or the scene in s3 where he actively went to make sure that Ryan was okay from Soldier Boy. But, you know what else? It makes me think about the moments where he seemed to have some sort of ulterior motive for Ryan. Such as when he demanded Ryan to choose him over Butcher in s2, how he went batshit angry when Stormfront was severely injured by Ryan who can’t control his powers…. But then when he finds Ryan in s3 he acts like it was no big deal and that he’ll “always be there for him” when he didn’t exactly show that, and the whole scene where he discovers Stormfront died was something that made him almost completely snap. Now in the season 3 finale, he’s using Ryan to peddle his group that there’s an “heir” to his title as “Homelander”. While yes he was protective of Ryan against that dude who threw trash at him, however, he also… brutally murdered the guy in broad daylight, showing Ryan a rather brutal display of power. It shows that Homelander has several sides. One side of him wanting to care for Ryan, and be the father Homelander never had and showing the world he couldn’t be shown in his own childhood. And then another side of him wanting got peddle Ryan as a carbon copy of him, trying to egg him on and get his behavior to be like his, and that his powers can be used to oppress anyone else he deems “lesser”. And another side that’s his more selfish side, that he desperately wants attention and love, and is scrabbling to be loved by people around him, and wants to make up a scenario where he and Ryan are “family”. This level of complexity to the villain of the series is something I adore, really has you relate, despise, and be terrified of him.

[@JNB0723]

he doesn't want to be a good dad, though. He wants the love from his son.

[@fixsationon7244]

He took away Ryans milkshake😢

[@StarMirandaFlowerFruit]

@@sky-trevishere9638 this is literally shown in the cracked mirror scene of Season 4 when Homelander's different sides are talking to him, great analysis

[@daragristwood5200]

What makes me afraid of homelander isn’t his actions or his ability to go from charismatic to cold blooded. It’s his stare. You know the one. When he’s angry, but he can’t show it. That face that’s trying half heartedly to appear neutral, but is wrought with hatred. That is what scares me, because it’s that face that reminds me of how inhuman this thing is.

[@hagelslag9312]

The actor really nails it. If you ever met someone as unpredictable and so full of anger all the time you have to tippy-toe around them, you know how accurate it is. And pretty much all of us have at least once.

[@mcchilde2903]

Well, not inhuman

[@Teuwufel]

@@Pasta_watcher Okay edgy Sasuke's cousin Shadow the hedgehog.

[@elliottpak]

Ohhhhhhh like the one he does when that guy flipped him off?

[@David-iv6je]

There's also something about his mouth that is creepy. I don't know if it is makeup or just the actor's face. But something is off.

[@damedeviant1388]

The actors studied body language for sure!! He has got the ‘psychopath with a human costume’ behaviour down to an art. Phenomenal job.

[@TheCloserLook]

It's interesting you say that. I don't think Homelander is a psychopath because psychopathy is a very specific diagnoses which basically means the person is incapable of feeling empathy, incapable of loving another person etc. But homelander routinely shows he can feel things no psychopath can feel e.g. how he seems to legitimately love his son. He is 100% a narcissist though.

[@damedeviant1388]

@@TheCloserLook I see your point! He’s hugely narcissistic. Though psychopaths can raise children without raising red flags (potentially!). I personally don’t see it as any empathy or for love for his son. Homelander is a broken child fighting over a toy, a means for gaining control over another tool for just himself, not out of genuine love. Just my opinion, though. It’s fun to have a villain so complex that these discussions are possible :)

[@shafqatalam6018]

@@sephiraabraxas9146 also did his time, apologized to the guy and gave him money. don't talk out of your ass

[@damiantirado9616]

@@damedeviant1388 Homelander is 100% not a psychopath. Homelander is actually very emotional and gets offended easily. That’s not how psychopaths are. He is most likely a narcissist or has anti social personality disorder one of those two.

[@damedeviant1388]

@@damiantirado9616 Yes, in relation to himself and his own feelings. I do think he lacks any empathy though and isn’t that the main component of psychopathy? He’s only bothered by what affects him and his image directly.

[@jthomas7453]

Part of the reason the final scene of season 3 is so terrify is because it takes those two conflicting motivations for homelander that are seemingly incompatible; the need for affection/attention fueled by his narcissism and his affinity for murder, and MAKES them more compatible. He murders the protester at his rally, feeding the second desire, and is rewarded with cheers and applause, feeding the first. This sets up the next season to be truly terrify as now we're going to see homelander treading that fine line even more, seeing how far he can go.

[@alenunya]

But i guess that will make him a more predictable thus more boring character

[@butterflymage5623]

@@alenunya yes and no, he can’t just do whatever, that moment worked out because he was acting as a father protecting his son, yes he gets more power through it but not so much as to do whatever he wants yet

[@JS-po8oc]

@@alenunya No, then it becomes how do people respond to him. If he kills the wrong guy and suddenly his supporters don't like him as much, how Iwill he respond

[@keychains5806]

@@JS-po8oc thus the fear of the unknown (uncertainty) kicks in omg full circle!

[@jthomas7453]

@@keychains5806 it also then turns into a question of what his followers will do, and how will Ryan change, which is what I think the final frame of Ryan smiling might be alluding to.

[@Thyrussiansanta]

I thought the swat team scene was horrifying, because they all knew they were going to die. There was nothing they could do to save them selves. And that was incredible.

[@cheryshstrong]

We all feel the fear along with his victims

[@rinapop2681]

Homelander is the most terrifying character I've come across in TV . I have never felt such sickening dread when seeing a fictional character. Whenever he's in the room, the only reason he's not destroying everyone in his path is because he's decided on a whim not to. That's why every scene he's in is filled such tension

[@SavveGaming]

Joffrey Baratheon/Lannister was the only other character I was genuinely terrified of and hated with a passion. Him and Homelander seriously gave the performance of their lives. I love hating them.

[@HenryHoang-x]

@@SavveGaming Fun fact: Joffrey's actor was so good that he actually got death threats in real life.

[@Toph_Not_E-Bender]

It's also the tension of knowing that at any moment, the scene really could turn the other way and he'll kill everyone there. The number of times he's lived up to that fear makes every single next scene with him just terrifying

[@hck1bloodday]

@@HenryHoang-x so sad some people can't separatee the actor from the role.

[@Xenathewarrior83]

​@@Toph_Not_E-BenderComplete unpredictability makes these villains so terrifying...

[@rhetiq9989]

I find it interesting how the show doesn’t often show off Homelander using his powers and kill a bunch of people to build fear in the audience especially in later seasons, but instead they put faith in the audience to imagine that scenario in their minds and only sparsely insert those moments here and there. Most of the time it’s just Homelander going back and forth between threatening and/or giving someone a cold, blank stare and that alone is already enough to send shivers down our spines. You don’t know when he’ll snap, you don’t know what damage he’ll do, and that unpredictability is I think one of Homelander’s greatest strengths as a villain. You don’t have to have a lot of superpower display to make us fear him, we know exactly what he can do, and the show takes advantage of that to both build a new “fear tactic” for the audience as well as to save budget

[@furkankaraca3841]

🎶If you want to be happy livin a kings life, never make a pretty woman your wife🎵

[@hamoiq908]

Yeah that’s what makes homelanders last scene so terrifying in my opinion cause we never actually expected him to do it. It’s always only threats in public

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

It also helps that we get more explicit shows of power from the other superheroes and they’re all fucking terrified of him. That also helps the imagination. If they’re so utterly scared of him and he’s completely unthreatened by the idea of them trying to harm him, he must be a beast. And in season 3 we finally saw that. Noir, dead with one blow. Maeve, after a year of training, only held him back for a minute or two when initially he didn’t even want to fight. And Soldier Boy and Butcher with powers working together both barely managed to last against him, it took Hughie intervening for them to pin him for even a couple seconds. Without any sort of training or attempt to push his powers to their limits, he can only be temporarily subdued by being literally dogpiled.

[@MiniMikesCustom]

The pleasure of him lasering the crowd even if it was his imagination... priceless

[@furkankaraca3841]

@@MiniMikesCustom i dont think he really enjoyed that, he looked like he was about to have a mental breakdown

[@enzoarayamorales7220]

The fact that homelander gets cheered on by his fan base when he killed that protester is what makes this character and the situation he's in 1000% more realistically terrifying than simply taking over the white house like in the comics.

[@jambgarn5695]

Seriously, like him knowing that he can still be loved after doing horrible things is horrifying

[@jacksamson1239]

@@jambgarn5695 not only that because he's a narcissist, the only thing stopping him massacring the whole of the United States is his laziness and the praise from the public. Soon as the public approve him murdering people the only thing stopping him is his laziness. Which is bloody terrifying

[@darthdiabetes1250]

When both sides of his narcissism agree it’ll be chaos

[@constable.3202]

"I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose any voters" - Donald Trump

[@jacob9673]

Reminds me a lot of Trump, but less fat.

[@guybell4949]

One of the most terrifying homelander moments is when starlight threatens him and he rants on how he prefers to be loved but its okey dokey for him to have to kill everyone and everything

[@AclibButLikeTheRealOne]

If I ever saw him in real life I'd be too scared to approach him. That's how well-written and well-acted he is.

[@asri1361]

@Bili0 you're acting as if the actor is his character

[@korb6626]

@ChurchJ0 im pretty sure that Aclib was talking about the actor, not the character Homelander

[@detective2221]

@@korb6626 what

[@korb6626]

@@detective2221 huh

[@DarkBlackwing]

@asri? how you were you able to come to that conclusion? What does @ChurchJ0 say that indicates he was referring to the actor and not the character? God, you people just jump to things with no explanation whatsoever 🤦‍♂️

[@joshc-e7128]

One of the reasons that Homelander is such a good villain is because he is as pathetic as he is powerful. Like you get the impression that at any moment he might kill millions of people just because he felt insecure or petty about some small insult

[@krustylesponge6250]

Essentially a man child given supermans power

[@JLWTH]

It's scary because there are actual people like him every where around us...we can feel that negative vibe and can't do much about it like in reality.

[@Lycheepuffbar]

@@JLWTH cops

[@user-ff1ws1sf2u]

that's the hair-trigger he referenced darth vader for

[@FrostDK98]

@@Lycheepuffbar Some cops are homelanders, and some are captain americas. Sucks that law enforcement laws and training are mediocre that the homelanders aren't weeded out.

[@zaddik8131]

As a New Zealander, I've known about Antony Starr a long time, since he was in a drama, based in NZ called Outrageous Fortune. He plays twins, a lovable dumb guy and also a top shelf stick up-his-ass lawyer and his acting chops really showed then, and I'm so happy to see him killing it now as Homelander. Him and Karl Urban make us kiwis proud

[@PrismaAce]

TRUE

[@Jyoo609]

I remember him in In My Fathers Den. Already acting creepy then.

[@curious1053]

No one watched Banshee?

[@zaddik8131]

@@curious1053 I was gonna mention banshee too actually, hopefully he starts getting some a list roles

[@96Logan]

@@curious1053 One of my favorite shows. I'm in the middle of rewatching it after I finished it in 2016/17. Anthony plays Hood and Homelander so well

[@revverb7459]

I think something that shouldn't be overlooked is Homelander's ease of killing, specifically his heat vision. The fact that he could just slice you in half at any moment, without any effort besides moving his eyeballs, is incredibly terrifying. When other characters look him in the face, it's like they're staring down the barrel of a gun. You can see people flinch away from him when he turns to look at them. I think this specific attribute contributes greatly to making scenes with him so terrifying, as he doesn't need to wind back for a punch or reveal a weapon, he can just kill at any point, with absolutely zero warning.

[@mgkindles]

It's kinda like a quote I heard one time. A good villain wants every want to know that they are bad. A great villain wants everyone to think that they are good. Great show.

[@nocturn333]

I don't like this line of thinking because it forces villains to fit a certain mold. Vader never tries to make the audience or those around him think he's good, yet he's still a great villain. Instead of forcing them to fit a certain archetype, a great villain should be one that fits the the themes of the story. Remember at the end of the day villains are just a piece of the greater narrative puzzle.

[@Noir0rioN]

True, @nocturn333, 👍... - BUT, I still think bthat @MG KH 's paraphrased quote I'd still QUITE epic; wouldn't you agree?

[@funnydankmemes880]

Like Gus fring

[@s1d3k1ckRO]

Palpatine

[@RealElevenTimes]

@@nocturn333 Exactly!

[@mattiejoseph]

In my opinion the most terrifying scene in The Boys was when Homelander forced the girl to jump off the building. That whole scene was chilling and upsetting to me.

[@LethargicScientist]

I think the best part of that scene is that, to an outside observer, she did literally nothing to him. He just had a bad day and wanted to see her suffer.

[@LethargicScientist]

@@dermagnus8482 you want to see people suffer just because of that? Get help.

[@Nigg4pufferfish445]

@@LethargicScientist yeah and that he hates jews

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

@@dermagnus8482 Goddamn, you're sooooo cool and alpha.

[@Weird_but_neat]

@@dermagnus8482 oh you’re so brooding and cool We got a joker over here

[@arindamghatak]

Antony Starr should have won a couple of Emmys for his performance as Homelander. By far the most terrifying villain I have ever come across. Hans Landa is probably second.

[@theshore2667]

A couple? Give EM ALLL

[@anonymousman5573]

Honestly, I felt more scared of Homelander then I did with Hans. Then again, it's been a while since I last watched Inglorious Bastereds. Perhaps Anton Chigurh in a better comparison

[@arindamghatak]

@@anonymousman5573 Yes, Chigurh was terrifying too.

[@tglake2894]

I think Hans Landa is scarier simply because he's an image of the evil ordinary humans are capable of. "Detectives" doing their job, doing it very well, but doing it for monstrous ends they simply don't care about. That he existed with many other names and in many different settings all at once is much more horrifying.

[@Ruhrohraggy23345]

Facts. Terrifying, to think about for too long .

[@wump9066]

One of the things I like about homelander is that he can be just about ANYWHERE in a story and it would make sense. I’m always afraid he’ll just, show up in the scene somehow. And he can hear everything so well, has x-ray vision, crazy sense of smell, so with that you don’t even know what information he knows

[@assterisk1080]

literally this 😭 every time starlight, maeve, etc are talking about something compromising, im so nervous homelander will just show up. there's so many scenes where he does, then we know how it ends

[@GordonSeal]

Homelander is interesting because, with a different upbringing and good parents, he could have become a good & just superhero like Superman. His character story is a portrait of how a system driven by profits will create monsters out of anything.

[@eldermillennial8330]

Then there’s the version where Superman was found and raised by an Amish neighbor of the Kents after a flat tire delayed them finding him first. They were very kind and loving, but problem is that they can be TOO peaceful sometimes, like the Quakers, taking “The Meek Shall Inherent The Earth” far too literally as a conviction of radical self restraint under all circumstances of conflict.

[@earthknight60]

@@eldermillennial8330 There's also a what-if type comic about if Superman landed in the Soviet Union.

[@picklepeppers6983]

@@earthknight60 - that was an amazing story! I felt bad for Wonder Woman and Batman was totally despicable! Also had a great message and the climax of the story had an interesting twist! Overall awesomeness!

[@Joy.W.]

@@earthknight60 where can I read or buy, and what’s the name of you can remember, if not that’s okay.

[@earthknight60]

@@Joy.W. Take a look for "Superman: Red Son". I think there is an earlier short story with a similar premise too, but that's the main one.

[@shayne_has_landed2511]

I loved how the creative team handled Homelander’s humanity. They showed that he has childhood trauma that’s extremely valid and a good explanation for his current choices, but make it very clear that he shouldn’t be given a sliver of sympathy. It’s anti-hybristophilic. It’s another way The Boys stands out from other film media.

[@scottyyoung4278]

i kind of hate you for making me learn what hybristophilic means.

[@Ashbrash1998]

Exactly, a lot of media (especially Marvel) tries to make a lot of villians sympathetic or downplay their actions until we forget about it. Which is fine, it makes them interesting but when you act like them killing a bunch of people isn't a big deal, it makes them less threatening. Kind of like them having bad parents mean they can't be blamed for anything.

[@sebastianaristizabal3871]

@@Ashbrash1998 like Bnha, just because they have "sad backstories" People often forget they are pieces of shit

[@heatherrockwell9012]

I mean, you can give Homelander plenty of sympathy and also acknowledge that, at present, he’s a monster that needs to be stopped and, in all likelihood, killed. I feel terrible for him, but unfortunately that doesn’t change the circumstances.

[@galerights8983]

hybristophilia n. sexual interest in and attraction to those who commit crimes. In some cases, this may be directed toward people in prison for various types of criminal activities.

[@rainmanslim4611]

The thing is, the Boys took time to establish 3 things about homelander. 1: that he is as close to a God that can possibly exist, capable of killing everyone in the series with ease. 2: that he is an emotionally unstable manchild and has a history of killing anyone who displeases him. 3: that everyone else around him is terrified of him and will do anything he tells them to out of pure fear. This combination of his neuroticism, god-like power and how he uses fear to get what he wants makes for a powerful combination

[@artcorbeau]

he is not that strong (not close to a god), several supes ganging up on him can kill him, but yeah he's emotionally very immature and doesn't hesitate to use violence to get what he wants

[@TheForbidden_1ne]

@@artcorbeau I see what you're saying, but up until this past season, he was *established* to be more powerful than EVERYBODY else by a wide margin, thus making him a god to everyone else, not to be defied. To the point where they had to recruit the "god" he was made from in order to stand a chance

[@tjenadonn6158]

You can see a similar dynamic minus the superpowers and murder in Succession with the character of Logan Roy. Both series are about what happens when incredibly broken people are given immense amounts of power: the only real difference is that Logan never had any pretenses about loving his kids.

[@Severindk87]

@@artcorbeau yup... He was made way less scary in season 3 by debuffing his power level.

[@Severindk87]

@@TheForbidden_1ne but Maeve nearly handled him on her own. Which made that storyline redundant. And apparently Butcher was lucky enough to receive close to the same power level as well. That combined made it clear that if just 4-5 supes teamed up, Homelander would have no chance. On the other hand, perhaps that makes it even more tragic. That they have let him believe he is so powerful, when he actually could have been beaten by "team work".

[@ShinjiniBose13]

the fact that Homelander can ruin everything any moment if he wants but doesn't because he chooses not to, is what makes him more terrifying

[@ErieMaxwell]

I think another thing that makes villains like Hans Landa and particularly Homelander so scary is how much societal power/support they have. On top of knowing how dangerous they can be even to anyone who simply crosses their path, the knowledge that even if there's irrefutable proof that they've done something truly heinous, there's still a good chance that the people in charge will actively work to make sure that they aren't made to pay for those crimes or even stop is horrifying.

[@Kaz7.]

I agree, when a character is a powerful heartless psychopath it's scary, but when they have an institution protecting/backing them up too? That's terrifying

[@bunsenn5064]

@@Kaz7. Easy, destroy the institution.

[@Nooooooooooooooooooooo7913]

Absolutely. The only thing that has been stopping homelander from killing literally everybody and anyone who gets in his way is public perception. But now that he has a crazy rabid fan base excusing his horrible actions he’s only going to get worse 🫠🫠

[@calumjohnston5343]

@@bunsenn5064 the bos would like to team up with you

[@nenmaster5218]

@@Kaz7. "I cant believe ive gotta say that, but Na-is are Bad." -Some Random in 'The Boys'.

[@motorcitymangababe]

I think what makes homelamder so terrifying is the concept of the other show dropping. Like, we all know he's gonna snap- but when? When is he just gonna laser eyes an entire rally? Anytime you see him in a group of people laughing and smiling you're going "no one say anything, no one move too quickly" and it just coats the scene in tension

[@balazscsotai8354]

And honestly, I always wondered ever since I learned about Homelander. What would he do if he snapped and then killed every living creature in the world? No more animals, no more humans, no more anything? Just him on a functionally empty planet, devoid of life? Just mentally shut down after he realised that he can't be adored by people? That he can't be feared if there's no one left who would fear from him? Or would he just start hallucinating until he dies, believing that everyone loves/fears him until he dies?

[@motorcitymangababe]

@@balazscsotai8354 I def see him as the "talking to and moving mannequins around types" I don't think he could ever truly be alone because he's externalized his thoughts to an extreme degree

[@amrmohamed1387]

A true embodiment of the American psyche😅

[@justaserbiandoomer497]

Every time Homelander is getting physically closer to someone I'm just like "He's gonna kill him/her. No debate, they're as good as dead."

[@picturethis4903]

them*

[@skydaz3r]

@@picturethis4903 him/her covers everyone in the show :)

[@ThePseudonoob]

The way he puts his hand on/close to someone's neck while talking to them lends yet more to this. I'm always thinking he'll squeeze hard enough to kill any number of people he does this to, should they provoke him in his eyes.

[@epicmoofish3726]

@@skydaz3r yeah but them also does and requires less typing

[@gluedglued1252]

@@skydaz3r Maeve uses she/them pronouns :)

[@sugarstar09]

I think the fact that Homelander has a strangely uncanny face helps it. He smiles but also the thing you can see the most is his teeth, and after that there’s pitch black. His eyes seem too doll like. It looks fake even when he’s angry. It looks false.

[@TheDahaka1]

Also, Antony Starr is the perfect casting for Homelander. I have trouble thinking of someone as able to pull off so many unhinged expressions and go back and forth between those and normal ones. He's a joy to look at while on screen!

[@TheRealezt]

i think christian bale and sebastian stan can also pull off the homelander character

[@pascalsimioli6777]

@@TheRealezt definitely. There are probably a dozen more but people get emotionally attached at the first option. It's always "I can't see any other actor playing this part" for them. As if it's easier to think that Hollywood just casts the perfect one with stunning precision than to think we could simply be easy to condition

[@blvnkq]

@@TheRealezt i don’t see sebastian stan if i’m honest, he’s great as bucky, but i can’t see him as homelander. any movies that’ll make me say otherwise?

[@pierrelindgren5727]

I'd throw in Hugo Weaving. Too old now, but the menace of Agent Smith was terrifying when his anger and hatred bubbled to the surface.

[@kaynkayn9870]

I think he play out his emotional vulnerability very well. When he tears up everytime about his childhood, it felt so real.

[@alexlazzerly3677]

One of the reasons I love Homelander is that even though he is incredibly layered and complex, and has understandable motivations, he's still pretty much pure evil without any chance of redemption. Most of the time writers think sympathetic=complex.

[@thisisfyne]

Sympathetic works well, but in the case of Homelander or Hans Landa, for example, CHARISMATIC works much better. Pure evil under a facade of charm. It's brilliant, really.

[@karlluigi1987]

for me he's still redeemable, specially when he's with ryan

[@enumaelish9193]

@@karlluigi1987 You mean the child he's slowly corrupting to become just like him?

[@Dr.Yakub22]

@@karlluigi1987 he literally R**ed his son’s mother what is wrong with you?

[@tmntgirl4life]

I feel I like the only sympathetic about him is that he didn’t grew up with love and is forever searching for that. But that don’t push it, it’s more of a footnote and his motivation for his actions.

[@maclaynecredere5103]

Homelander is easily the best character in the boys you know you’re dealing with an incredible actor when you don’t even notice the actor as a human you just see the character they’re presenting

[@biscuitslol]

That’s true. He’s so evil it’s so easy to hate him. Great acting

[@nienkehuijbens301]

Jensen Ackles did a great job on Soldier Boy too. And Stormfront was great imo

[@maclaynecredere5103]

@@nienkehuijbens301 totally agree the homelander performance is the most layered though imo

[@nienkehuijbens301]

@@maclaynecredere5103 sure. He's gotten the most screen time by far so not surprising

[@slevinchannel7589]

"I cant believe ive gotta say that, but Na-is are Bad." -Some Random in 'The Boys'.

[@arbCannons3395]

Ron Desantis has done a great job playing Homelander. The way his face changes when an interviewer asks a simple question is amazing.

[@walter-vq1fw]

You get me!! DeSantis reminds me homelander so much. Especially with the accusations coming out about him participating in torture when he was deployed in the middle east. Uncanny guy

[@freckledcracker1481]

Personally, I feel what makes a villain scary isn't that they're "just the bad guy", it's that they are always smiling and friendly while also straight up being an antagonist. So, a basically a Psychopath. No empathy, no regret, uses others for their own gain, and never feels bad for it. They simply smile and wave as they watch you die. That to me makes a character scary.

[@spartin1173]

Because a normal villain hates them a psychopath villain doesn’t even see them as something to be hated just used or as an obstacle to be removed

[@thejonatan._]

If you have played GTA 4, you are going to love the main villain

[@TheAllyBird]

I think what makes a psychopath so scary is the uncertainty factor - they don't give you the cues you expect that they're going to do something terrible, and after awhile watching them you know that you're not going to see it coming.

[@ND-nr6mx]

When viewers can look at an over-the-top super-powered villain on-screen and see aspects of their real-life abusers ... yeah, that's good writing.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@ND-nr6mx So… like Pensuke in the Pensuke Files.

[@smartcakes303]

I think by far the scariest thing besides Homelanders incredible power, is how unstable he is. The trauma he carries, hes constantly a ticking bomb. So every scene you see Homelander, you're worried he's going to snap and no one will live to share the story

[@belovedobserver]

Exactly! Like when he just annihilated hundreds of civilians at a rally while on stage. I was convinced it was real and not his imagination bc it would not be out of his character to snap like that.

[@Thatoneguy-el8xn]

A villain truly becomes terrifying when the audience stops asking “will they win?” and starts asking “how will they win?”

[@Blobbyo25]

Pretty sure it's actually the other way around? The reason Homelander is so unsettling is because we know for certain that no character can match him in a fight on their own. We know that there is no way to win, so we start asking "will they win???"

[@Takittack]

​@@Blobbyo25 Yea the way you said it makes more sense

[@GrrumpyPants]

I think it's less about winning, and more just wondering how will they survive.

[@Anonkontello]

This has about 2-3 contradictions in it and is quite the confusing paragraph. Sense made: 1/10

[@Anonkontello]

I mean, you’re kind of agreeing without realizing it?

[@Net_Flux]

2:50 "If your villain has less power than your hero, you're going to have a very hard time making them a scary one." Shinsekai Yori/From the New World does this and it's glorious. The protagonists have god-like powers but the villain becomes seriously terrifying through his wit alone.

[@idontwannaidontwanna7307]

The writing is clearly important, however in my opinion, the majority of the credit MUST go to Antony Starr. His performance deserves all the praise. It's not just this role either, go back and watch Banshee, my god he's a powerhouse of an actor!

[@rhondahoward8025]

On the "Uncertainty" point, I think Omniman did this fairly well. You didn't always know whether he would kill or not, and sometimes there were surprises where he spared somebody (Mark's friend/his old friend).

[@MetalRaimon]

at that current point in time he had not yet talked with mark tho. Killing his best friend would've killed any chance to win his son over to his side. Although obviously it played out the way it did it's not like he could've known in advance. He was still hoping he could explain his reasoning and that Mark would turn to his side

[@rhondahoward8025]

@@MetalRaimon I think it was more surprising when he spared the old guy. The whole scene seemed like he was going to kill him but instead he simply let him go with a warning: "Don't piss off your tailor, right?"

[@MetalRaimon]

@@rhondahoward8025 true that as well

[@dimitryanyanwu7681]

I still think Homelander is more scary lol

[@gadoplays8478]

@@dimitryanyanwu7681 omni man will kill you in an instant speed of light-like or below, like, speed of sound increased multiple times, he could kill an entire planet, like, NOBODY felt pain in the death and was predictable, then you have homelander which is way slower yet fucking fast compared to a normal human, and will probably make you kill yourself or kill him yourself, and you have to choose the less painful way, Homelander is less powerful and more terrifying because of it IF YOU think about it, Like, Omniman at least killed his enemies in an instant or close, homelander narcissitic, would mock in their death or force them to die in other slow "satisfying" way to him... There is definitely no comparison lol

[@adambomb1553]

What I love about Homelander is that he really has no specific views or agenda. Because he has basically been groomed to be a celebrity, he knows how to manipulate anyone and anything. He knows to always stand by the loudest and most powerful group. But, ultimately, his only belief is that he is God. And people with either love him or fear him. And it doesn't matter which.

[@user-iy6rm6pm4j]

It's the massive fakery of his greed that gets me. Homelander gets rich off of fake schlock monetization. Even greedy evil corporations that rape the planet are at least selling something real like oil or coal. They want to monopolize the world's water supply, not sell people fake water.

[@chestterfield]

Not only to be a celebrity, but to be an artificial human- he was created in a sterile laboratory with memories and believes implemented in his brain. He has no true moral backbone and his emotional development is the same as that of an child- his egoistic ways of thinking are based not on being a narcisists, but on the concept of having no consequences to his actions. After all- he has superpowers, so he will do as he likes, because people fear him (do not mistake it with respect).

[@louiea4276]

You've just described why Trump is so dangerous

[@sourcesauce]

​@@louiea4276 lol

[@sjfs231]

@@louiea4276 that's adorable

[@Micha-Hil]

9:00 i know this scene was supposed to be helpful to analyzing homelander and his villainous character tropes but i can't fucking handle how he just CHUCKS his son off the roof of his house

[@jaylanthompson]

The ending of season 3 put Homelander in the best position he’s ever been in. Soldier Boy is gone, he has his son, he’s in charge of Vought, and he’s able to kill his opposers while still retaining the adoration of his fans. I don’t know how he’s gonna come down from this, but when he does, it’s gonna be BAD for the Boys… and the rest of the world.

[@elez9592]

But Soldier Boy is alive

[@jaylanthompson]

@@elez9592 Yes, but he’s been defeated and incapacitated, so for right now he’s not a problem.

[@DrGandW]

Him killing that protestor is going to escalate things so hard, I mean is the law just gonna change to accommodate wanton Super murder? This is gonna cause an insurrection.

[@couchpotato2222]

@@DrGandW Honestly, with how reality has been, it's gonna be Jan 6 but the capitol stormers are the Supers.....we fuuuuuuuucked

[@TheArtis4n]

@@DrGandW this is why he's getting help from the Head Popper ;)

[@VultureXV]

Homelander is also scary because he represents the puer aeternus, or eternal child. Because he was essentially lab-grown, raised and created like some sort of product to be exploited, he is utterly divorced from the principle of having a loving family. Literally everything that makes his character unnatural or unnerving can be found in the principles of the Jungian archetype.

[@heartdragon2386]

He's like that scary kid in the Twilight Zone.

[@hopeslover6778]

he’s just like makima

[@shutup1037]

​@@hopeslover6778makima is actual devil though

[@allaris_the_one]

@@heartdragon2386 Exactly the example that came to my mind too! He's basically an omnipotent manchild.

[@444.nyokabi]

A puer aeternus with too much power

[@gwenethp511]

I think a lot of what makes a villain - both in real life and in fiction - scary to me is how easily they're able to find fans. It's ridiculous to worship anyone blindly, it's important to enter every conversation willing to learn and change or grow your mindset, but in this current political landscape people will blindly worship people and discount any complaints as lies. Homelander's fanbase is exactly that. They believe him to be a coming of God and thus will excuse literally anything he does. And I know people like that who act the exact same with politicians and it is simply wild to me. You'd think in a superhero world people would maybe try to not blindly idolize others but it also makes sense that they do.

[@DemigodoftheSea]

It reminds me of how people adore Killmonger and will defend him relentlessly, without the simple acknowledgement included the explicit subjugation of the rest of the world and though it was unspoken, primarily white people.

[@spartin1173]

They probably feel even more validated in a universe with superhumans because they’re genuinely more powerful than a normal person they’re something fundamentally beyond human reach

[@thumpted8417]

@@DemigodoftheSea I defend killmonger because marvel writers don't know how to write black liberation. They assume that any racial liberation movement will seek to dominate and subdue everyone else. That is not what liberation is. Killmonger was right, it's just marvel couldn't have shown his actual motives and goals without being actively revolutionary. If you recall the film, the 'good guy' sides with the CIA, and the 'bad guy' wants to liberate the world from it's oppressive hierarchy (and, of course, because marvel loves making people who are actively correct into villains) and make himself king of the world or sm. It's a bland, tasteless defense of the status quo.

[@DemigodoftheSea]

@@thumpted8417OK, but that's not how he was written. You can't just insert your own version of Killmonger. Besides, I've met many people into black liberation who absolutely believe in revenge.

[@peters8512]

@@DemigodoftheSea I've seen conversations where people insist Killmonger was right and did nothing wrong. His whole plan was essentially using Wakanda to lead a global race war and set himself up as dictator of Earth, but if that wasn't enough we see him cold blooded murder his own girlfriend. People happy to overlook all that because he's a badass.

[@vdd1001]

Antony is incredible as Homelander. I get chills whenever he's on screen. Actually not that much in season 4 because he's getting crazier and crazier so he's even easier to ignite and you expect it but it's still really good, his facial expressions, voice tones and body language literally makes me forget I'm watching a fictional series, I get so immersed watching him

[@suryaanshkrishna6680]

Homelander, is by far the most terrifying TV villain of all time. It's not just that he's significantly more powerful than anyone he's in the scene with, but the fact that his entire personality is balanced on a knife's edge. In truth, he has very little morality, and has no true goal. This lack of any sort of restraint, allows him basically to kill anyone without regard. Also Anthony Stars portrayal is insane.

[@ky-passley4769]

When the hero is more powerful than the villian, the villian can still be scary if they are shown to avoid the hero and target the other people who are weak and who the audience care about. This works really well when their is only one hero who is more powerful, because all audience know that side characters are far more killable than Main characters.

[@nritsch]

A great recent villain who was less powerful than the hero but ticked all the other boxes was The Riddler in The Batman.

[@BigDaddyJinx]

Well think about Superman. The most powerful being and quite frankly vastly OP, but his villains are still scary/terrifying as it were. They don't necessarily go after Supes, they go after those things he loves. That's what makes them terrifying. The Joker. WAY weaker than Batman, but still terrifying time and time again. You never really know to what lengths he will go to get under Batman's skin. It's perpetual cat and mouse with them. That's what makes him terrifying.

[@pathos7527]

Great point. The Joker is a standout example of this I think. Batman is stronger, more experienced in melee combat as far as going directly against him, and has a litany of gadgets and other resources at his disposal that on paper should make Joker no match, but the chaotic nature of Joker’s thinking and penchant for targeting innocent people makes who truly comes out on top in a given situation far less certain. The interrogation scene in The Dark Knight capitalized on this in inversion of expectations for who really has the most power of the two, because even arrested and beaten, Joker laughs while Batman loses it, to where not once during that scene did you feel like Batman was the one who held all the power. When you can make a villain at their weakest feel more powerful than the hero at the height of their own power and control simply by virtue of the mindset they’ve expressed, you’ve pulled off something special and captured an entirely unique and anxiety-inducing kind of terror from villain that hits harder than the next hundred standard villains can combined.

[@sanguis_aeternus-x]

Power dynamics. Specifically, where the story is focused on and how the villain challenges the hero through a narrow power dynamic. You can have the strongest hero in the world, but if the villain challenges the hero in a way where all that strength is useless, you create conflict. Just like someone said in the replies, the Riddler and Batman is a good example of this. The Riddler challenges Batman's *mind* and forces the hero to challenge him through that cultivated power dynamic. A really good example is One Punch Man, where the storytelling actually reframes the position of the hero to Saitama's associates, using One Punc Man's appearance as more of a narrative tool to held build suspension. Very clever, as Saitama's conflict isn't so much as finding a villian to challenge him physically, but inner conflict he has to deal with himself, where all his power is useless to deal with.

[@shahanahsan05]

The Riddler in The Batman was not as strong as Bruce but still managed to be an amazing villian

[@johnnojojack-exe]

The only time Homelander wasn't terrifying is when he is talking to Stan Edgar. I think this also shows the point you meant about power being more than physical. This may change in the coming seasons.

[@Kommerzman]

That was a fantastic scene

[@vikramsawant7353]

And cherry 🍒 on the cake... Mashallah HomeLunder Is Muslim Now.

[@mmm6325]

I dont agree. He can still snap at any moment when hes pushing him.

[@1notdeadyet1]

My favourite fight in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is newly vanpiric Dio vs Jonathan in part 1 for that "different power level" reason. Dio is just so powerful and Jonathan is so outclassed you have no idea how he can possibly win and it makes it so suspenseful. His creativity in taking on something that could easily kill him males the fight super entertaining to read, too.

[@rhysc9706]

Even when Homelander isn't on screen I'm on the edge of my seat. There's an overwhelming sense of dread and anxiety for the characters as I'm expecting Homelander to swoop down at any second, the writers did a very good job having Homelander suddenly land out of nowhere and it stuck with me throughout the series, especially during season 2.

[@abhijiththampi]

Bro that scene where homelander was flying around looking for translucent while the boys are trying to surreptitiously move his body from their hideout...chills

[@NCMonefaith]

And yet at the end of season 3 despite home boy getting and his son and basically winning, everybody is still alive and he killed no one. Anxiety is gone, he needs to actually do something.

[@user_2793]

@@NCMonefaith Ifkr, S3 finale was terrible (except the last scene) 😔

[@vikramsawant7353]

andk cherry 🍒 on the cake... Mashallah HomeLunder Is Muslim Now.

[@jaymuffinz]

One major point you missed is that he's capable of performing such monstrosities under the guise of being the hero. Everyone who doesn't know, loves him. You're already fighting an uphill battle against both him and his popularity. He's truly evil and yet he can get away with it because those who do know are either dead, or scared shitless to do anything about it.

[@twokidsintrenchcoat]

This is soo true. You literally cannot win against Homelander, nothing he will do wil make people turn against him since they wont live to tell the tale.

[@darthzayexeet3653]

The thing with One Punch Man that makes it stand out as an exception so much, is that it doesn't really focus much on Saitama but rather on the other supporting characters like the S-Rank Heroes or the Monster Association, especially later on and that it's a comedy/parody and thus doesn't take itself too seriously. Pair that with the fact that the side characters and the overall story is really interesting and you have a great show, even though on paper it shouldn't work

[@eddiecampos]

When reading OPM, watching Tasumaki and Genos get wrecked over and over again and somehow come out on top and watching all the Class-S hero’s loose to bangs best pupil was actually terrifying. And recently in the manga, when Garou went god mode, killed genos, almost killed the planet and made Saitama get serious had amounts of dread I have never felt in any other series. Truly a great story

[@brendanl1108]

Another thing too is that the problem Saitama faces is almost never a villain. It’s always his deeds being discredited and not being able to live a satisfying life due to his power. Gives him different problems than just a flat out villain

[@darthzayexeet3653]

@@eddiecampos dude, spoilers

[@CertainOverlord]

@@darthzayexeet3653 to be fair, he did start off with "When reading"

[@the8u9]

@@eddiecampos That's not the point of the story. The entire series is a meta commentary on heroism and not about the actual action on the screen. It's about how people perceive heroism, understand sacrifice, and how even the most powerful being does not escape the fragility of public perception and the isolation that comes with it. All this on top of poking fun at typical heroes' journeys and comics' obsession with an ever growing powerful protagonist. Now, the problem isn't with how you felt when reading it. The problem is with the idiots in charge who pushed the original genius story in a direction where a reader would actually feel dread when that was never the point.

[@ruthiewitter569]

This is very helpful. Currently trying to set up the character of a chaotic evil and terrifying villain, and this is helping me in those important initial stages so much.

[@giggityguy]

I've always believed that the best way to maintain suspense is to NOT take every opportunity to do something scary. If every time something scary CAN happen, something scary DOES happen, then it's entirely predictable. As soon as the scary person/thing appears on screen you know something is going to happen and you're braced for it. The only way to make sure that your audience is never fully prepared is to make sure that there are plenty of moments where you're SURE something is going to happen, but then it doesn't. That way you never know if something is really dangerous, or a fake-out, so you're constantly on the edge of your seat.

[@fruzsimih7214]

That's how suspense works in Alfred Hitchcock's films or in Sergio Leone's films. You often don't have anything happen for several minutes. It's still so captivating. And they usually don't use horror tropes like dark, confined spaces, but rather sunlit streets or open fields. See Hitchcock's North By Northwest, The Man Who Knew Too Much or Vertigo. Or the first ten minutes of Leone's Once Upon a Time In the West.

[@JerryDaPlatypus]

⁠​⁠@@fruzsimih7214Honestly now that I think about it, whenever I see Homelander, I do get a massive Hitchcockian vibe. To add even further, his whole character is pretty much just a twisted perversion of what people typically picture when they think of a superhero, (Superman-esque, saving people from life-threatening situations, good looks and ever-present smile, broad daylight background, etc.) and what makes it a perversion of that image (as we witness in the show) is both the horrific acts you see him engage in throughout the events of the series as well as his narcissistic behavior. Imo if Alfred Hitchcock ever did a superhero-themed horror film, I would definitely picture the villain being someone like Homelander

[@jimslim4227]

I would say the ultra-violent simplistic villain works too, you just need to make that villain rare and absolutely horrifying every time he appears. An example would be the Lich in Adventure Time, a simple thing with simple goals, not a lot of unpredictability except the how he tries to kill everyone, but he works as a villain because he is uncompromising evil in a much tamer setting. So a villain can be simple in his goals, as long as the villain changes the tone when he appears on screen.

[@yutisima]

yeah, and id also love to add those villians that are not exactly "villians" but rather are so so so powerful that do something (even sometimes without realising or considering "evil") that destroys/would destroy many lives, but said villian doesn't understand because of its power (i think a not very good example of a villian but definetly a good example of what i'm trying to say is the alien from Anihilation)

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I like the Lich too because he’s basically the representation of the inevitability of the end. Not just death, the end, the end of everything. Finn’s never been able to kill him even with reality warping shenanigans such as wishing for a world with no Lich, because the Lich still comes back. His quest to rid the universe of life _will_ happen eventually, no matter what future generations stand up to try and stop him. The best they can do is stall him, and once there’s no more to stand up to him, he’s gonna kill everyone, and that’s a terrifying reality for the Adventure Time universe that’s unbeknownst to everyone.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Imo lich is more of a force of nature than a villain.

[@subnauticaispog7580]

@@yutisima I’m thinking of Grand Zeno from Dbz super, who literally removes entire universes from existence with the lift of a finger, including their afterlives, and he’s always smiling the whole time because that’s how he plays. I think that’s what makes him so scary, the fact that the lives of anything in a universe are so insignificant that he doesn’t even acknowledge them as other creatures, only playthings to use and then throw away.

[@ethal1222]

Antony Starr's performance is incredible. Without even saying a word, he can make you legitimately scared that Homelander might just suddenly decide to kill everyone in the room.

[@blacktimes9662]

You just proved Law 17 of the 48 Laws Of Power "Keep others in suspended terror: Cultivate an aura of unpredictability". Well done! I hope you will do that with other Laws as well

[@chaoticgoodcreations947]

It's about that time for the best video essayist to talk about one of the best written villains.

[@TheCloserLook]

Thanks!

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@TheCloserLook There'd better be a green screen appearance

[@afellownerd]

He's definitely top 2 for me

[@ahel4523]

The sign of an amazing actor is how they can convey their character's emotional state with a look without context. When see Homelander's expression you don't look at the whole face you look at the eyes in any scene. His true emotion in that scene is in his eyes.

[@gameswithguns6859]

That's true, especially with the thumbnail of this video

[@GCcubone]

The ending of S3 of the boys left Homelander in a very interesting place. SPOILERS: He finally indulges in killing in public which was hinted at in previous seasons, but when he finally does it, he is applauded instead of hated as he always was afraid of.

[@abhisheklama1393]

Lmao, you're the definition of a big mouth. Why state spoilers in a KZbin comment section? You're not even offering any speculation/analysis from your side. You're just stating something that happened like that annoying kid in class that wants to say the alphabet before everyone else just to show that he learned them.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Because he owns Vought now and he's finally realize, he really can do whatever the fuck he wants

[@SeanWinters]

Worst part of the show so far IMO. It's a stupid Trump comparison, which doesn't even make sense to real life.

[@cherie..cherry]

@@chrisstoltz3648 😂😂😂

[@lukepauls8847]

@@chrisstoltz3648 it's just the painfully stupid caricature of him I here around the Thanksgiving table from obsessed relatives and every journalist in the worls that think he's the devil incarnate when he's just a dude who talks too much... kinda sick of hearing ot all

[@JediSteve-J3-]

This is why the Slaughterhouse 9 from Worm may be some of my favorite fictional monsters/Villains in fiction. Jack Slash especially.

[@SSJ_EWGF]

I could write an essay or two on how Homelander's writing manages to weave his terrifyingly powerful stature, with his many innate insecurities benefiting that of a man child so meticulously well that it can make the audience simultaneously pity, look down upon, and still be completely afraid of whatever he can do, but you know what, all i'll say is that: Anthony Star deserves an Oscar and every show that ends without it is another year in which he is robbed.

[@anthraxboi]

Well TV shows don’t get Oscars, but The Boys surely does deserve one

[@dmel26]

Only chance he has of getting one is if they do the finale as a movie

[@babywasabi]

not an oscar, an emmy :)

[@thereisnotryv1971]

He deserves an Emmy, for sure

[@benlarge1984]

Emmys are for tv

[@leo_1304]

I think Gus Fring is a good example of a successful villain because of uncertainty. We see Gus as a composed professional, but when Walt and Jesse go over the edge with him, that entire scene in box cutter was so horrifying. He comes down into the lab, changes into lab-wear, does so neatly and meticulously, and that all took like two minutes of pure suspense. Like "what is he doing?" And then, without saying a word, takes a box cutter and murders his own loyal employee in front of Walt and Jesse. He even scared Mike, who has always been the experienced guy who has "seen it all." If Mike is afraid, the audience is afraid. Then, still, without speaking, changed back into his clothes, and leaves. He came in there simply to brutally murder his own loyal employee. From that point, people know that Gus is professional and meticulous, but he can also snap and do literally anything, no matter how brutal.

[@JM-st1le]

Yes, that was a definitely pure suspense. His calm headedness and discipline does make him feel more safe than the absolute chaos that is homelander. I haven't even watched the series and every scene I see on KZbin with homelander makes me anxious

[@RGC_animation]

When you see a Marvel villain with a character, you wonder how the protagonist is going to win, when you see Homelander with a character, you start breaking down how important the other character is to the plot and predict if they are going to die a horrible death or not.

[@RininGamingYT]

This guy has given one of the best explanations I've ever seen on homelanders sheer terror factor and he also explained it in context of other situations and characters... very good content it felt like a really entertaining lecture on filmography and character development

[@AlexeiX1]

I think one thing you didn’t mention, at least not explicitly, but the fact that with his godly powers he still has very humane weaknesses of pettiness and narcissism, mirroring greek gods, and this helps us understand his character in our level, making him more scary cause we see homelander in some our family, coworkers and friends.

[@jjohnsonnccc]

I think for me, it’s just how unpredictable Homelander is in each scene. His mood can change like a flick of a switch. Whenever something troubles or annoys him, it’s never clear if he’s going to shrug it off or react violently. And the actor does a phenomenal job expressing his annoyance or passive aggression with his facial expressions. We never know whenever he tightens his lips or rolls his eyes if someone is gonna die or not.

[@ComedyGlor]

I think for me what makes him so scary isn't hus laser eyes or super strength but his super hearing and x Ray eyes. Like sure not being able to defeat him sucks but not being able to defeat him OR hide from his forever is what's truly terrifying. Once you piss off that man your life is just scary for ever. Them getting that across so well in s1 made him so scary that he appeared in my nightmares 😂😂 they were fun tho lol

[@dcpwll]

Actually, I think Homelander revealed his motivation before he attacked Blindspot, not after. It's precisely because Blindspot has triumphed over adversity that triggers Homelander so much. He's become something, he's achieved something, he worked to better himself. Homelander by contrast was gifted the ultimate power set and was guaranteed a place in the Seven from birth. He's never had to work for anything and deep down he's an empty shell of a human and knows it.

[@diersteinjulien6773]

And by extension, HL can never better himself, because he's already at the top. Blindspot showed him something he cannot accomplish

[@serpicopiu3591]

That's a really cool idea

[@eldermillennial8330]

Hmm… Ruptured ear drums are a lot easier to repair than damage to the cochlea itself, which he should not have suffered from, as a blow heavy enough to go that deep all at once would have simply killed him. He ought to come back as one of the rebels after getting plastic surgery to fix them.

[@averageshowenjoyer2279]

@@eldermillennial8330 Do you really think he would be getting up after losing that much blood lmfao

[@assterisk1080]

also something no one has mentioned yet about homelander is how he will do things just because he can, or to get a certain reaction out of people for his own enjoyment. there's so many scenes where he's cruel, just because he can be, regardless of whether the target is a supe or not. for example, when i think of this, it reminds me of him welcoming deep back into the seven and ordering a bunch of seafood before making deep eat his acquaintances (i wanna say that i personally don't care much for deep, but from his perspective, this was genuinely cruel). his god complex is so strong that he just *has* to torment not only humans, but everyone around him, to make sure they are aware of his "status"

[@logon235]

Having read the graphic novel, I'd say Anthony Starr who played Homelander had made him much more terrifying in live action.

[@Chameleonred5]

The graphic novel is far too different from the show to really make that a valid point.

[@logon235]

@@Chameleonred5 you may find it too difficult to make a comparison due to the differences, but I was able to adjust for that to make a judgement. In fact, the differences are part of what made the live action one more terrifying.

[@Chameleonred5]

​@@logon235 The stories, while superficially similar, are aiming for two entirely separate goals. The graphic novel isn't really trying to be terrifying. It's trying to be edgy. Of course the live-action, which is aiming for a more realistic darkness, is going to be more frightening. Even assuming the edginess was supposed to be a parody of comic book tropes at the time, and that the realistic darkness is supposed to be a deconstruction, the end result puts them in different camps. They're basically different stories. I don't think it makes sense to say that comparing Anthony Starr's performance to Candyland makes Homelander more terrifying. So why would it make sense to compare it to any other irrelevant media?

[@AraiiarA]

​@@Chameleonred5They really are completely different stories. After watching Season 1, I decided to read the comics and I was shocked... By how terrible the comics are. It didn't even feel like a parody or deconstruction of the superhero genre; it felt like an edgy fanfiction of Ennis' group of trench coat weirdos killing superheroes because he hates superheroes.

[@dragonace119]

@@AraiiarA Thats Garth Ennis in nutshell. When there's nobody to hold him back or tell him something is a bad idea you get comics like Crossed. I will give him credit though, most of his comics with Punisher are actually pretty good if you can get past the extreme edge of some of them.

[@nikkiq2494]

Starr makes homelander terrifying. You get the feeling that there’s a lot of rage and power being held back by a hair, and he can snap at any time. That he only behaves in a socially acceptable way because it’s expected of him. Also, that he truly loves his son in his own way, but he doesn’t know how to love because he’s never truly been loved. I feel like if I saw Antony Starr in real life everything in me would scream to run because of the performance. He’s an incredible actor

[@fountainalyssa]

He looks totally different in interviews. He’s recognizable but he does something with his facial muscles when he’s playing Homelander that gives him that unsettling tightness. He’s a really good actor.

[@kierinhernandez7524]

Dude Anthony Starr plays him so well, the subtle face changes, Wide eyes, artificial smile and body language is so on point that it makes Homelander the star of every scene he is in. His prescence as the character commands any room he walks into and really adds to the scariness of Homelander.

[@janne6657]

I think part of the reason Homelander is scarier than your average villains has to do with some kind of a human factor as well. He seems realistically faulty, the kind of someone that just could exist. I especially liked the reference towards domestic violence, as he feels very much so like that kind of scary. Not mythical powerful or out of this world freakish, but something homebrew type of scary. Think something like the Trinity Killer from Dexter.

[@1sebschab1]

my favorite scene from the Boys is the courtroom scene when the heads start exploding, and Homelander says, "well this is mind-blowing!". Truly brilliant acting from Antony Starr.

[@hydraph4843]

I think another thing is pain. I thought the scene where homelander hits that blind person was horrifying partly because of that element of pain. Seeing the blood spraying out and those screams of agony, it is horrifying. Whereas with someone like Thanos you know he would kill you painlessly and you probably won't feel a thing. It also reminds me of Mr X from Re2 remake, where he crushes that guy's skull. It is a horrifying scene because you just know that guy was in a whole lot of pain and there was no way he could escape. Plus the suddenness of some chunky hands bursting from the wall behind you

[@detective2221]

not really

[@EvelynVioletEverlight]

@@detective2221 excellent rebuttal, detective!

[@simpleplanfan011]

Anthony Starr deserves all of the awards for this portrayal. Homelander is the one fictional character who makes my heart race and get my anxiety up to UNBEARABLE levels. Incredible acting.

[@vikramsawant7353]

And cherry 🍒 on the cake... Mashallah HomeLunder Is Muslim Now.

[@JacobC479]

The best explanation I saw was “you know that Homelander would murder everybody on the planet if he wasn’t so desperate for their love and admiration.”

[@LinkEX]

This is _precisely_ what makes Stephen King's _Misery_ so scary. The protagonist is essentially helpless due to the lopsided power dynamic. The uncertainty of what the villain will do next is what causes the anxiety. Even worse, assuming there is a possibility if there _might_ be a way out if you only behave the right way - without knowing what the right way is, and so you dread each reaction to what the villain says or does. Worse yet, you're not even sure that there is still a way out - yet still cling to the possibility of a _less awful_ fate, without knowing what the worst outcome might be, and perhaps triggered by your attempt at avoiding your current one.

[@pronouncedneev]

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[@combatwombat2134]

The single best character on TV at the moment. He's got so many scenes where he snaps (especially at the end of season 3) and yet others where he holds off but the balance has been struck so perfectly that in any, single scene he's in there always feels like a chance he'll crack and laser a person in half or punch a fist through their chest. I've never been so chilled by a character then when he's talking to that crime analyst in the first season and says "I'm the Homelander, I can do whatever the fuck I want." And does that smile and eye widening; it's just perfect. I absolutely adore his acting and he's made Homelander just the epitome of a villain

[@xerxes5785]

“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.” I’d say if you write a villain well, you don’t even need to make him powerful to be terrifying. In fact you could make him less powerful than the hero and still be terrifying, if you just invoke the fear of the unknown. The best example of that is Joker, who’s way less powerful than Batman, but he’s arguably one of the most terrifying villains.

[@mercurytheplanet3326]

I'm a teenager but really want to be a writer when I grow up so this video was incredibly helpful and honestly I've never seen the show "The Boys" but holy crap just these scenes make me fear this man I originally only knew from a meme. Thanks for the help with writing I truly appreciate it so much!

[@apokatastasian2831]

Channel to look up : "now you see it"

[@Steve_Hickman]

Homelander is that type of character whom, once entering a room, commands attention out of fear of what he'd do otherwise. He's the most powerful person and everyone knows it. What's even more terrifying is that by the end of each season, the artificial shackles and rules that have kept him restrained into remaining compliant are loosened, which is where we begin to see more of his true self becoming plainly evident. There is nothing that Homelander wouldn't do and what's worse, he knows there's little the world could do to stop him.

[@Ningnomaningnong]

I find him scary because he's a mixture of being naive emotionally but being cunning and calculating when it comes to getting what he wants. Like when he calls Starlight out about that phone video. He clearly thought about what she held over him and played out the scenario in his mind (off screen) of what he would do if it got out. Then how he would deal with that if it did, and how starlight might feel about his reaction. He concluded that the outcome would bother her more than bother him, therefore realizing she had no power over him at all. He wants what he wants...but he's also ready to flip the board if no one will play with him.

[@plumdowner1941]

I think the scene in his home is terrifying in a entirely different sense. You're not scared because of what he might do. You know *exactly* what's going to happen, and that's a different kind of terror.

[@urboiuhskinnypennis5951]

it goes from a question of "what" to a question of "when"

[@eddiefirstenberg1000]

Exactly. I think it was Stephen King who made this distinction, correct me if I'm wrong though: terror is knowing that there's a monster chasing you. Horror is realizing that your feet are stuck to the ground. Most Homelander scenes are terrifying- we have no idea what's going to happen, if our heroes will escape, but we know there's a monster there with them. The house scene is horrifying- the monster's right there with them, and their feet are stuck to the ground. There is no way that any of those SWAT guys survives. And yet, we have to wait and watch them all die.

[@19_dedgorl]

Homelander s biggest power is his ability to mog anyone in the room at any given time

[@stuzivert]

I feel like this is the common problem with phase 4 marvel movies now that the villain (no matter how powerful) always seems beatable , I think this is why the boys being a series is beneficial for them as homelander can literally kill anyone he wants and the story will continue however in a film sense it’s much more difficult due to the short run time

[@damiantirado9616]

Bro this isn’t a marvel phrase 4 problem. All marvel phases have terrible villains. I remember in 2015 people complaining that marvel villains suck. You guys are acting like marvel has changed it hasn’t it’s always been the same. You probably just have fatigue and start realizing the problems.

[@Alexkrasil]

Marvel is a family friendly soft child's movie company, at best for 10 year olds or if you're bored af.

[@kadiriolanipekun6486]

@@Alexkrasil yes, let’s tell that to the millions of adults who enjoy these movies. Yes, kids watch them too, but they aren’t kids movies just cause they have superheroes that fight people in them.

[@spike5499]

@@damiantirado9616 nah phase 1-3 were genuinely great (for the most part), especially compared to phase 4, mostly because there's so much more content in phase 4 and most of it isn't great And yeah a lot of the villains weren't good but we still got great ones like loki, the winter soldier, zemo, and thanos, and this might be a hot take but I liked ultron too despite the movie not being great and him not being stone cold like he probably should've been, but then again maybe that would've leaned into boring, generic villain territory

[@spike5499]

@Black AK just because their movies aren't rated R doesn't mean they're bad lmao, you could say the same thing for any children's cartoon or animated movie. Sure they don't have the most adult subject matter but that doesn't mean that they're not good or that they can't be enjoyed by everyone

[@reallyfreakingoodvideogame468]

In “Inglorious Bastards” I personally felt more loathing and disgust towards Hans, because of the amazing way that sickly sweet manners were contrasts with his sadistic Nazism. But I felt a lot of fear towards him in two scenes. When he sees the escaped Jewish girl again, and when he finds out the secret agent who lost her shoe. A very close third is the scene you mentioned, where the French farmer is forced to give up the people that totally depend on him. I think that I fear Homelander more, but wanted Hans to be defeated more because I disliked him more. They are both incredible villains though, and I really appreciate you making this video.

[@eldermillennial8330]

Hans is all the more despicable when you realize that he doesn’t hate Jews, and doesn’t believe in the official Nazi superstitions about them. In fact, only one thing seems to make him actually hate someone, and that’s when they DARE to insult his intelligence. That’s why he killed that anti-Nazi spy. Not because of her treason to Germany, as he was perfectly willing to do that himself when the opportunity proved to be of great potential profit to him, no, it was because she wouldn’t quit trying to fool him when the jig was so clearly up. All she had to do was surrender to his superior intellect; he was even very patient by his own standards, which would not have suffered the insult for an instant from someone who did it calmly, so he gave her several chances to overcome her fear and say “you beat me”. I honestly think he would has spared her life if she had. Hans only kills when it’s good business, or when someone insults his intelligence. In peacetime, perhaps during the Wymar Republican days, I think he would have lived as a police detective, living a fairly normal lifestyle, besides basking in the praises of people applauding his brilliant crime solving, all the while never actually giving a shit about law or Justice, as such, except as a game that allows him to solve satisfactory puzzles and get praise for doing it. Meanwhile, if ANYONE dared to insult his intelligence, and would not immediately apologize, he would CAREFULLY plan a way to murder them and get away with it. He didn’t need to do that as an SS Officer, he could kill any prisoner on a whim, but before the war, he had to control himself to carefully get away with it. That was the only time he would murder somebody prior to the war, however, just a few times, a very niche killer. He had no other motivation to do so, but once the war started, his talent was put to use for hunting Jews, of whom he had never personally hated, as long as they never insulted his intelligence, that is, but since it was the “in” thing, he played along. It allowed him to solve new puzzles in new ways. I think he let the girl go because he was grateful to her and her family for having given him such an excellent challenge that had played out so satisfying for him, underestimating her hatred. I don’t think he fully grasps ideological hatred, just his own petty hate.

[@Womble3rd]

That's because he's totally unrealistic in inglorious, the idea that nazis were unfeeling machines is so cringe and unrealistic

[@whereamigoing777]

@@Womble3rd The film isn't trying to make you sympathize with the Nazis in any way, since most of the interactions with Nazis are with the higher up powers and not the day to day soldiers. I get what your saying though: John Rabe is an excellent example of what your trying to classify; a loyal Nazi with good motivations, caring more about people than politics.

[@Womble3rd]

@@whereamigoing777 yeah see that's the unrealistic part, that nazis exist in the higher up powers, there is a clear allegory meant in it but it falls flat - I'm glad we agree though, nazis weren't brainwashed they had genuine reasons for their actions, the only issue is the violent aspects, they had genuine grievance

[@3dsmaster537]

The season 3 finale perfectly mended that issue with abandoning the battle within Homelander. When he kills the protestor for attacking his son, he isnt feared or hated, he's *rewarded* His followers cheer and praise him for silencing those who don't agree thus fulfilling both his need for attention and his need to feel superior. Of course, there is a fine line between Homelander being built up and it all crashing down so that internal discourse is still present. It was a great move on the writer's part

[@haydenz127]

Realize your power. You can be moral without fear. Do not let fear keep you

[@TheCosmicFailure]

Whats terrifying is that I think Ryan will end up being worse then Homelander. Even crossing lines that Homelander wont.