15-year-old Madison school shooting suspect's family life comes into focus

[@mickeywood3012]

PARENTS are not a monolith, every parent is an individual. However, ALL parents are responsible for the actions of their children until they turn the LEGAL age of 18.

[@think4yourself607]

You have three kids, raise them the basically the same, one of them will most likely be a trouble maker. It the individual, we are born knowing right from wrong

[@mickeywood3012]

@raginglizard94 When the Crumbly parents were found guilty, it is how most state laws work now.

[@cosmo5102]

The idea you try to put blame on parenting, rather than the individual is absurd…. Humans are born with their own brain. They choose for themselves what they will do in their own life…. No matter what age they are! No matter what discipline you give, there will always be the personal choice of the individual…………

[@dylanfultz23]

@@cosmo5102 until a child is 18, parents MUST be responsible for the health of their child, mental AND physical. This girl was not healthy in the mental aspect and her parents ignored it which led to this shooting. It was a culmination of her own thoughts and feelings that she maybe couldn’t let loose. She needed a psychotherapist and a psychiatrist from the looks of it.

[@rorydaddy]

Terrible Parenting, A 15 year old should have Never Had a Gun, Charge the Parents

[@PaulBrown-t2y]

There’s no issue with a 15 year old having a gun. There is however an issue with not teaching your kids the value of life.

[@DamianGallegos-y9l]

Or maybe they should have done a better job parenting, and notice that their daughter had mental health issues.

[@suescherdel6278]

Another tragic, heartbreaking tragedy involving school children and guns.

[@stevenpoint822]

This Has NOTHING TO DO WITH GUNS - and EVERYTHING to do WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES

[@deebee4575]

More like pharmaceuticals pushed by the media.

[@bbowjazz]

Who else thinks being a 15-year old kid from a turbulent broken home (divorced parents remarried and try again only to divorce a second time) In the midst of a Christian school with conservative evangelical leanings might create deep emotional and moral conflicts for an adolescent? In no way justifying what she did, but there are dynamics at play here that could exacerbate any existing mental health issues.

[@GoodbyePalestine]

WНО СОММIТS МОSТ КlLLlNGS IN THE US РЕR САРIТА?

[@virgiledwards8980]

Wow imagine how many black kids go through that

[@paul9156c]

That can't happen. She had a moral Christian upbringing that prioritized abundant life. In a highly moral Christian society. Praise the Lord, so He won't get all vengeful on us with His wrath. 😂

[@c.a-r7103]

She just started that school. She was in public school prior. If anything she learned her left wing radical feminist views there.

[@bbowjazz]

@@c.a-r7103 … she was nevertheless in a situation surrounded by many kids from “good Christian homes” with parents who are not divorced. Divorce is highly stigmatized in many conservative Christian circles. Not Defending that dynamic … Just stating my own experience as both a child of divorce and someone who spent time earlier in life in those kind of groups.

[@MonicaDardis]

US children have been suffering through a nationwide mental health crisis since it was declared a national emergency following the pandemic. They need support.

[@jareddube7021]

They have been suffering long before that, once the internet because mainstream and parents raised their kids with phones/ tablets/ computer. Is when parents took a step back and stopped caring for their children’s mental health. My opinion.

[@billstill1794]

lol, HOW?

[@cin6078]

omg stop making excuses for them,,,,to make your parenting job easy for you

[@paul9156c]

They had the support of a conservative Christian indoctrination, what could've possibly gone wrong?

[@janetgoldsbury3953]

Parents should be held accountable.

[@nikkikiris1924]

She had no stability... this whole thing is just awful. I hate this so much for the parents grieving their children.

[@MichElle-zc9tu]

Adults, If you want to get married and have children, be prepared for a one package deal, grow up and accept what comes your way but stop ill-treating babies and children like rag dolls and stinking cats or dogs and swing them around like playing house house. Samantha was a direct product of immature and selfish parents who never even placed her life and priorities before theirs and what better could we expect even though there may have been some young children whose lives turned out better?

[@dr.bibineumanndoesitall]

The “best interest of the child” factors need revision. It’s common sense that a 50/50 schedule where the child has no home base, is not healthy for anyone, much less for a child who is dealing with the parents divorcing. Praying for those families forever changed by this tragedy. May God guide them through. Amen.

[@shelleycharlesworth5177]

AGREE!-I taught elem school for 30 years and recall heartbreaking situations - one in particular where the parents had split up. The 3 kids went back and forth-the mother had various boyfriends moving in and out. The oldest by was in my 3rd grade class-could not concentrate was anxious and distracted all the time. He was smart and saw both parents discarding partners-who would not become anxious? Children need stability!

[@SherrieMonica]

She just recently started going there . Dont you listen to what they are saying?

[@duanephinney300]

Why a resource officer when you have prayers and a christian God?

[@bgonemuggle]

So you saying, this Christian school never do prayers?

[@Moon_Dyes]

@bgonemuggle I think they're sarcastically saying prayers didn't help which sadly is always true

[@davidgray1515]

Concepts of a resource officer

[@williamroyt1296]

They people don’t know anything, the young lady had a manifesto, had rants of hate toward men, stating all men from babies to old, don’t matter if there were police ,firefighters, etc. should be wiped out. That she was going to take as many as she can out before she goes. She was an extreme feminist. That was reported a day ago when they realized her photo and name

[@bgonemuggle]

Yet the victims are women

[@cin6078]

Columbine shooting 1999, Sandy Hook 2012 and many more, Stop blaming MY god do something about it, i'am old everybody wants to talk crap on line,,,, Do Something to save the Children

[@tnijoo5109]

Like what? Gun reform laws? Republicans love guns and they won’t let laws like that pass. They have too much power. And at this point, so many people have so many guns, it seems unlikely this will ever end. The only thing I can think of that maybe Republicans could go for, is to pass a law that keeps kids from being allowed to handle or use guns. It’s always kids that go to rifle ranges and seem to have gun enthusiast parents. But, maybe I’m naive to think a law like that could pass. Idk.

[@tnijoo5109]

Like what? Gun reform laws? Republicans love guns and they won’t let laws like that pass. They have too much power. And at this point, so many people have so many guns, it seems unlikely this will ever end. The only thing I can think of that maybe Republicans could go for, is to pass a law that keeps kids from being allowed to handle or use guns. It’s always kids that go to rifle ranges and seem to have gun enthusiast parents. But, maybe I’m naive to think a law like that could pass. Idk.

[@tnijoo5109]

Like what? Gun reform laws? Republicans love guns and they won’t let laws like that pass. They have too much power. And at this point, so many people have so many guns, it seems unlikely this will ever end. The only thing I can think of that maybe Republicans could go for, is to pass a law that keeps kids from being allowed to handle or use guns. It’s always kids that go to rifle ranges and seem to have gun enthusiast parents. But, maybe I’m naive to think a law like that could pass. Idk.

[@khon6339]

dont need another info war

[@dean9327]

Politicians policies did this Average infant 6 weeks old in daycare, not suppose to happen till 3 years old . Detrimental to the development of childs brain

[@LetsPlayWithPrivate]

Those reporters at the end thinking they're ENTITLED to the names has me sick. Victimes are ENTITLED to their privacy. Your curisoty does not trump that.

[@nikkikiris1924]

The reporter just said that Wisconsin is loose with gun control. This poor girl.. she did a terrible thing, and now she is dead too.

[@helenwisniewski664]

What this article doesn’t say is there was a man in California who orchestrated this in collaborative efforts with other teens around the country to do the same. She was influenced by a 20 year old man who probably told her he loved and promised her the world to her.

[@drum-corps-fan]

That emerged after this video got released.

[@AnythingJW]

Plenty Thoughts and prayers but zero gun control

[@bretharris8615]

MAGA family values!!!

[@carlosdominguez3108]

More like idiotic leftist logic and voting against strengthening school security with armed police because guns look scary. A large part of the solution is absolutely simple, but Democrats won't even consider it.

[@LateNightChess]

How there isnt a single picture of the girl anywhere? If it was a boy his face would be on every news coverage around the world

The broads picture is all over the news. I've seen it on at least 5 channels with her name.

[@juliethompson8685]

Really?? Her face has been plastered all over the news. Look harder. 🙄

[@LateNightChess]

Ive googled it several times and I cant find pictures of her anywhere. Also every time a video like this or any other video in social media is talking about this topic her picture isnt anywhere to be found! If it was a boy his face would be present on every thumbnail of every video and article.

[@kentdelahay2336]

Gota remember, this is the Communist Broadcast System - CBS................they wont show you anything they dont want you to see

[@lindah.1104]

@@LateNightChessSome news outlets do not show criminals under 17.

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

These domesticated people talk about this girl as if she was an animal which is absolutely disgusting. They are the ones who have been led astray by the hierarchical structure of Subordination that they are dependent on.

[@tonyvalle794]

This sure seems to be kept quit.

[@MaryPoppins-d1k]

Where did she get the gun? Fathers should not leave guns around. Daughters need mothers in their life.

[@JaneJetsin]

That’s sexist Bull Crap.

[@0ChildStar]

The father had weapons in the house. There are pics of her on social media doing skeet shooting. It is the father's fault.

[@JaneJetsin]

@ Obviously she was able to get possession of a 9mm handgun. At this stage of what we know the father probably has no legal consequences. - Wisconsin has a law that makes it illegal to a minor 14 or below to have access to a gun. She was 15. - Wisconsin has a law that makes it illegal to loan or give possession of a gun to a minor. If he did not give her possession of it no law broken. Does he have responsibility YES but seems as if no law was broken.

[@0ChildStar]

@@JaneJetsin "Parental responsibility laws hold parents legally responsible for their minor children's actions. These laws can apply to a variety of situations, including: Property damage, Personal injury, Theft, Shoplifting, Vandalism, Accidents, Malicious acts, Delinquency, Internet and computer crimes, and Firearm access."

[@JaneJetsin]

@ I think you are stretching the concept WAY BEYOND the actual law. You are absolutely correct that parents are held CIVILLY liable for damages like in your examples property damage, personal injury, theft, vandalism etc. but I know there is no federal law or state law holding the parent CRIMINALLY liable for a minors actions. Civilly liable means they can be sued to pay for damages. There is no incarceration penalty in a civil trial. The only acceptation is if there was gross neglect as in the case of Ethan Crumbly or they contributed to the delinquency of a minor by encouraging an illegal act. As I pointed out before Wisconsin has a law making it a criminal offense to allow a 14 year old firearm access or loaning a firearm or allowing them possession of a firearm if they are under 18. Since she was 15 unless it can be proven that the father allowed sole possession of the firearm to her he broke no state law. Specifically under Wisconsin law a 15 year old can be left in a safe environment without adult supervision for reasonable periods of time. Since that is the case they specifically passed the law that a 15 year old minor could have access to firearms to protect themselves at home. So you are correct that they could be sued in civil court for damages but you are incorrect that they can be criminally charged. I understand your feelings but factually you are incorrect about criminal responsibility just because she had access. In fact what you suggest specifically violates our constitutional right to both equal protection clause and due process clause. You can not be prosecuted for the crimes of another unless you directly participate. They are specifically protected by Wisconsin state law because she is 15.

[@lindagoes4334]

Look at all the video games that always shoot in the game. I don't know why the word "bully" is always used when they get corrected. Utube constantly and always on a phone or tablet!

[@rogerbing5314]

Left wing ideas and media wreck-less reporting had a lot to do with it.

[@edwardromo7914]

Can you elaborate please.

[@davidgray1515]

left wingers dont attend evangelical cults.

[@MHe723]

Amazing how no one seems to know why or who was killed

[@msrhonda]

We do know who was killed…another news outlet showed the photos and names of the 14 yr old student and substitute teacher…now we may never know the why🤷🏾‍♀️

[@paul9156c]

Imagine that, despite years of indoctrination, Bible studies, morality teachings from same, she somehow didn't learn right from wrong. It's almost like the indoctrination about a loving, forgiving, vengeful, invisible, and imaginary sky Daddy watching and judging her every move, somehow had a negative effect on her morality.

[@melissaflores9471]

The Cheif just said the 911 called came from a second grade student

[@purplequeen1727]

It was an second grade teacher. He corrected himself in a briefing this morning.

[@melissaflores9471]

@purplequeen1727 ok Thanks

[@raygunner2437]

Where was God, busy?

[@ngangafalonne4232]

What do you want God to do? Should God send Angel from heaven to educate children or teach them some good morals? Why do you blame everything on God when people don’t want to follow the laws he gave to them.

[@teachccd]

God gives us free will. We are not His robots. We can choose good or evil and act upon that choice.

[@ngangafalonne4232]

⁠@@teachccd since we have free will to choose good or evil, why then blame God on things that we should not blame him for? We choose what to do then let us face the consequences of our decisions.

[@willowsloughdx]

Who cares? Not national newsworthy anymore.

[@kalicokathy1944]

Teacher didn’t make 911 call a 2nd grade student did

[@purplequeen1727]

It was an second grade teacher. He corrected himself in a briefing this morning.

[@SherrieMonica]

Yes a second grader called 911

[@gimpygardner3377]

That report has been updated: It was a 2nd grade TEACHER, not a child.

[@dgar4891]

MAGA parenting

[@JaneJetsin]

Repeal 2nd Amendment Save our children

[@cycloneF14]

We don't take away guns. We need better gun laws to make it harder to acess a gun

[@aw1078]

RIP Natalie. She was a Patriot not afraid to exercise her 2nd Amendment right and we need to respect that.

[@JaneJetsin]

@ Yes we do take away guns. There are MANY laws prohibiting gun ownership from specific classes of people. Convicted felons is just one of them. We were instrumental in getting the Armed Prohibited Person System passed and funded. It seizes guns weekly! Our database tells us we’re guns are and what caliber. If you don’t want guns taken away you better get on the laws you feel will stop the senseless shooting. You can bet we’re working on complete ban.

[@pennyhartleben6123]

Red flag laws

[@JaneJetsin]

@ Yes! They are very important but many sheriff departments refuse to enforce them.