$150 lens vs $15,000 lens: Can you tell the difference?

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RocketJump Film School

RocketJump Film School

9 жыл бұрын

How much of a difference is there between cheap and expensive lenses? In this video, Freddie takes 3 sets of lenses in the low, mid, and high price ranges, and uses them in different filming conditions. Then he puts Shaun, Jon, and Jamie to the test to see if they can tell the difference!
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@ast5515
@ast5515 9 жыл бұрын
And I'm sitting here watching the footage that was downsampled and compressed by KZbin trying to tell the difference. Not the best scenario.
@TheRealJohnHooper
@TheRealJohnHooper 9 жыл бұрын
ast5515 but equal conditions for all cams. ;-)
@the80386
@the80386 9 жыл бұрын
@ast5515 - it's the same scenario for the target audience. Since when do the audience get to see uncompressed footage on the best color corrected monitors? Never. Many production these days only end up on streaming platforms like youtube or netflix where quality drops anyway.
@iNinjaWalker
@iNinjaWalker 9 жыл бұрын
zeebazu The cinema?
@iNinjaWalker
@iNinjaWalker 9 жыл бұрын
zeebazu nyeh, never had that problem with the awkward couple making out or people being on their phone, tbh. I've always paid attention to the screen. The reason no one complained about found footage image quality is because of the contextual understanding that most people don't record home videos with a professional gear. Hell, some of the found footage films look better than they should, unless Fincher's directing the film.
@the80386
@the80386 9 жыл бұрын
Satrio Prahasto I actually never heard complain about quality at all! Not just found footage. Regular consumers don't care because they don't know what to look for so they don't complain either. I am an audio guy primarily although I love camera so got into photo and video as well. In the audio world mix engineers are fighting all the time with one another about one brand of compressor or software vs hardware or what sounds warm and what sounds harsh etc etc all the stuff they can find to put blame of their incompetence on. I just laugh because audience just don't know about these. While they are wasting time nitpicking about the slightest differences, they could have probably polished three more songs and made them sound much more expensive.
@odojodecriatividade
@odojodecriatividade 9 жыл бұрын
I can't see any difference, except in the night shoot... Interesting
@arraneon7982
@arraneon7982 9 жыл бұрын
ShiniSpot i really saw some difference like some pixels were appearing on A and then on B it looks even better like in a Far away object , As well as for C it's similar to B but it as u said better for Night shooting due to the (also) wide lens
@AlfieVaughan
@AlfieVaughan 9 жыл бұрын
It's because in the night shot there are less aperture blades on the cheap canon lens so the "bokeh balls" are less circular and more jagged. That's the only one that stood out to me :3
@SantiagoLeunda
@SantiagoLeunda 9 жыл бұрын
ShiniSpot Hey RocketJump and people! First, thanks a lot for starting a film school, you guys have quite literally shaped my ideology of film making. I actually just finished editing and posting a new short film on my channel and it would mean a whole lot if anyone would leave a comment and let me know what you think.
@CineBaker
@CineBaker 9 жыл бұрын
Alfie Vaughan Films I found the zeiss were a lot sharper
@AlfieVaughan
@AlfieVaughan 9 жыл бұрын
Then your eyes are more finely tuned than mine sir :3
@LlamaFluff
@LlamaFluff 8 жыл бұрын
Loved the bits with the focus charts. Especially the skyfall one "makes me feel a little melancholy"
@CaptainMyCaptain33
@CaptainMyCaptain33 Жыл бұрын
Me too. Told me this wouldn’t be a serious lens comparison right from the beginning.
@DrawnbyCC
@DrawnbyCC 7 жыл бұрын
I didnt even realize the lens changed until like half way through
@handsomelok
@handsomelok 9 жыл бұрын
I always said go for a cheap one and then when you feel that you have reached the limit of that cheap lens then get the more expensive one You will have to force yourself to find out the difference between these two and maximise the usage of the expensive lens
@ScottChristina
@ScottChristina 9 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head.
@LeandroSnm
@LeandroSnm 9 жыл бұрын
+AppleIsTheBest that's why your name is AppleIsTheBest
@SturL
@SturL 8 жыл бұрын
+AppleIsTheBest So true. I'm getting into video shooting myself now, and it's so easy to get caught up with thinking that expensive gear will help you significantly somehow. Admittedly, I decided relinquish my Nikon D5100 for a Panasonic G7 - but 4K with 2015 technology vs 1080p from 2011: There really is no competition. And that is something to take into consideration too - lenses, in their relatively simple nature reached close to their maximum capacity 40-50 years ago. I'm no expert, but when you see people shooting with lenses from the 60's and 70's on today's cameras, and you cannot spot the difference, I think that proves my point. It's like with audio equipment: You kinda reached maximum (perceived) fidelity a loooong time ago. The digital stuff though, like higher resolution and bitrates and whatnot, still has a long way to go. Read reviews and check out YT clips, then decide what you need.
@dvl973
@dvl973 8 жыл бұрын
why the fuck they didn't tell us the results??? I wanted to know which shot was which lens!
@ma888u
@ma888u 8 жыл бұрын
+dligac I was annoyed by this too...!!!! Also the blabla of the guys was as interesting for me as this cryptic test picture he is holding all the time
@Stormaes
@Stormaes 8 жыл бұрын
+Evi1M4chine Yea, with that deviation, the experts could not tell (as it was indistinguishable from noise). "The way they differentiate themselves" is through "good engineering and design", not any other metric.
@dvl973
@dvl973 8 жыл бұрын
***** I could tell tho
@bondservantandbrideoflogos7570
@bondservantandbrideoflogos7570 8 жыл бұрын
+dligac So you don't need the results.
@dvl973
@dvl973 8 жыл бұрын
IamAlso aDeer I wanted to know if I was right
@pb4078
@pb4078 9 жыл бұрын
So filmmakers it turns out are just like musicians. They sweat the petty details that 99.9999% of their audience not only don't care about, but can't perceive. Thanks for making this video. I know now to never spend more than $500 on a lens!
@spasmicwaves
@spasmicwaves 9 жыл бұрын
Patrick Burns When most content you get online are compressed, its barely noticeable. I think the real difference comes when you watch it in theaters or better an Imax screen
@TrueStoryTent
@TrueStoryTent 9 жыл бұрын
Patrick Burns There is still value in buying or renting out expensive cine lenses. Specifically when shooting fictional narrative films where the actors or the camera moves within a shot, having a cine lens makes focusing on a shallow depth of field so much easier and more accurate. But for regular run-and-gun shoots, cheaper photography lenses are definitely a better option both price wise and in practicality of use.
@one2gaming
@one2gaming 9 жыл бұрын
+euphoria mania You still won't notice it in theaters unless you are looking for the difference. But a big factor in these things isn't whether or not people notice the difference, but whether they automatically perceive it differently based on the quality of the lens.
@KSKaleido
@KSKaleido 9 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Burns I don't think $500 is a hard number to adhere to, honestly. I spent ~$700 on my Tokina 11-16mm 2.8 and it was absolutely worth every penny I spent on it (they're cheaper now but I bought it a while ago). If you want a decent zoom, getting close to $1000 isn't out of the question, either. Spending 5-figures on a lens is just stupid, though. The differences from $1000 to $10,000 are completely negligible for 99% of people.
@pb4078
@pb4078 9 жыл бұрын
Kaleido but are the subtle differences in a $700 lens even going to be noticed by anyone but you? You're actively *looking* for them.
@asianboy508
@asianboy508 9 жыл бұрын
Juggling $45000 camera lenses lmao
@kuyanatnatdkrx7
@kuyanatnatdkrx7 9 жыл бұрын
My Names Tommy I would pay a dollar to see that, and an extra dollar to see that fail.
@lesternomo6578
@lesternomo6578 9 жыл бұрын
kuyanatnatdkrx7 You might need to pay $44999 more in order to see that.
@christophernerf3558
@christophernerf3558 9 жыл бұрын
+kuyanatnatdkrx7 if you can get 22,500 more people to pay that, I'll juggle
@aderye4904
@aderye4904 8 жыл бұрын
i nearly died watching him say that
@patwei2186
@patwei2186 8 жыл бұрын
+My Names Tommy except they are built to be thrown and still working, so he can actually juggle them and be fine
@Cidro1000
@Cidro1000 8 жыл бұрын
the two guys to the right look so fucking nervous finding out the results lol. jiggelin their feet like kids on christmas eve
@CocoTehQuila
@CocoTehQuila 8 жыл бұрын
+Kung Cidro Because it's supposed to be their job. And they didn't do /that/ any better than the other dude.
@Aaron66111
@Aaron66111 8 жыл бұрын
+Kung Cidro Their entire job is making the the picture in the viewfinder of the camera look amazing. They are the ones are mentioned by freddie who tell the director/producer what lens they need for what shot. Their entire job is basically picking the right camera and lens for the job :P
@Cidro1000
@Cidro1000 8 жыл бұрын
+Aaron66111 yeah and they are so scared they might find out that their job isnt needed 😆
@_tactownpro8817
@_tactownpro8817 8 жыл бұрын
+Kung Cidro bc this was a circle jerk and they knew it lol... they had no fuckin idea what they were looking at. esp floppy hair
@joewilde.
@joewilde. 6 жыл бұрын
Big fail for the so called 'experts' spewed a load of industry babble and could barely get a better than guess result. Just goes to show that for all their 'experience' they still couldn't advise their way out of a wet paper bag. Career crushed.
@simpson328
@simpson328 8 жыл бұрын
8:17 the 2 seconds waiting for him to notice made me feel uneasy
@bouchandre
@bouchandre 9 жыл бұрын
7:25 the guys in the middle has no clue what they're talking about.
@TGCleric
@TGCleric 9 жыл бұрын
Alexandre Boucher What point didn't make sense to you?
@bouchandre
@bouchandre 9 жыл бұрын
what are you talking about??? I understood everything. I said that the GUY IN THE MIDDLE didn't understdand because they said earlier that he knows nothing of the subject, I just thought his confused look was funny.
@ReelNoble
@ReelNoble 9 жыл бұрын
Alexandre Boucher LMBO. I was thinking the same thing. His face was like "I'm going to pretend like I'm thinking hard/ understand."
@shalom8073
@shalom8073 9 жыл бұрын
Alexandre Boucher ...and then you get the KNOWALL Shaun.......zzzzzzzzzz
@TrapMusicNow
@TrapMusicNow 8 жыл бұрын
I'm a Jamie type of person.
@UnicornDecapitator
@UnicornDecapitator 8 жыл бұрын
+Trapstep Network jamie hyneman type :DDD
@jamie110896
@jamie110896 8 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@funkyweezy8071
@funkyweezy8071 8 жыл бұрын
#TeamJamie
@EmeraldKelsi
@EmeraldKelsi 8 жыл бұрын
#TeamJamie
@TrapMusicNow
@TrapMusicNow 8 жыл бұрын
Purest ​ We love you.
@frog382
@frog382 9 жыл бұрын
7:52 *feet nervously intensifies*
@jonassamuel4376
@jonassamuel4376 9 жыл бұрын
This is really well made, i am looking forward to the rest of this series :)! Video education, well done, thanks a lot!
@sanderaits
@sanderaits 9 жыл бұрын
The reason for the short focus ring endpoint distance on the Canon lenses is because they are built for photography and meant to be used with autofocus, which can pull focus quicker and accurately with small turns. Those expensive lenses are manual and therefor have a bigger ring ratio for the exact reason you mentioned - so you can pull focus more precisely with your fingers. It's worth looking into old manual lenses if you are on a budget but still want long focus stops for filmmaking. Old photo lenses with a M42 mount and an EF adapter work great with Canon DSLR's and other cameras that can mount EF.
@NarendraKumarJ
@NarendraKumarJ 9 жыл бұрын
sanderaits, we tried carl zeiss prime manual lenses on our indie feature film on nikon d800 camera but felt the focus ring distance is too much and they were ruining the shots fully for moving subjects so switched back to nikon prime lenses because it is so much convenient to shoot in the real world for subject tracking shots, pans, handheld tracking shots etc :) .. yes it cant be too short distance too but guess there will be an average distance for convenient focus pulling and nikon prime lenses have got it just right for these..
@seanoflaherty
@seanoflaherty 8 жыл бұрын
+sanderaits Some photography lens have much better focusing rings, but as a cost tradeoff it makes sense for that reason.
@kardnails8729
@kardnails8729 4 жыл бұрын
@@NarendraKumarJ Because cine lens are meant to be used with focusing motors and to have a puller, a guy whose job is solely to pull focus. If you run and gun, it is much simpler to use photo lens.
@AerialLensVideo
@AerialLensVideo 7 жыл бұрын
This is evidence supporting the idea that snobbery is an expensive pursuit with, sometimes, little to gain. Ha!
@marcuscoster6529
@marcuscoster6529 7 жыл бұрын
Virtually always little to gain, in virtually all fields of snobbery.
@brenine3104
@brenine3104 7 жыл бұрын
They didn't watch it on youtube though. Only we did.
@PhinioxGlade
@PhinioxGlade 8 жыл бұрын
The only ones i knew i was correct was the last 3. All based on quality of bokeh. Canon had cat eyes 5000 one had hard edge bokeh The master prime soft round bokeh. Everything else would be straight up guessing
@chrisoakland8036
@chrisoakland8036 8 жыл бұрын
What
@duffdiegoduff
@duffdiegoduff 8 жыл бұрын
+Twisted Chikon bokeh is when a light is out of focus and it makes a cool bright circle
@chrisoakland8036
@chrisoakland8036 8 жыл бұрын
Deez Nutz Oh, okay.
@user-kp5ps7gj8b
@user-kp5ps7gj8b 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly.. Bokeh was easy to identify.. I thought it was C > B > A. What did you think.
@biplav32
@biplav32 7 жыл бұрын
I was thinking at least 7k lens would have awesome bokeh.
@meleet5307
@meleet5307 8 жыл бұрын
8:16 How awkward was that waiting for that handshake?
@masterpwn3r
@masterpwn3r 8 жыл бұрын
+MeLeet Would be more awkward if no shake at all.
@bgenevcius
@bgenevcius 8 жыл бұрын
+MeLeet hahahahaha I didn't notice :D
@hypnosiscenternyc
@hypnosiscenternyc 4 жыл бұрын
This literally is one of the most well-thought-out, well made, videos I've seen on KZbin in the last few months . Great production. Extremely Interesting And fun
@Redserpent2000
@Redserpent2000 9 жыл бұрын
It's about time someone did a proper lens test like this one. Great stuff. Very informative.
@the123bugatti
@the123bugatti 8 жыл бұрын
8:18 feel the almost-awkwardness of Jamie. Dat boi got saved
@Entrancement
@Entrancement 8 жыл бұрын
... wait, why am I watching the lens comparison on my mobile phone screen?
@VoidHalo
@VoidHalo 4 жыл бұрын
Steve Jobs. That's why.
@DingXiaoke
@DingXiaoke 8 жыл бұрын
Story is more important than the image quality
@mmsmith3341
@mmsmith3341 8 жыл бұрын
+Xiaoke Ding (carveid4) thats why your movie has not made it in cinemas
@FoddyFogHorn
@FoddyFogHorn 8 жыл бұрын
OOOHHHHHH
@georgerosebush9754
@georgerosebush9754 8 жыл бұрын
+Xiaoke Ding (carveid4) It is, but doesn't mean image quality doesn't matter. How many videos on youtube do you see where people complain " What did you shoot this with, a potato?" That, and there's technical and artistic things you can do with the image that convey something.
@Requiemes
@Requiemes 8 жыл бұрын
+Xiaoke Ding (carveid4) Audio and editing is more important than the image quality too, almost everything is more important than image quality. What makes images "good" is mostly composition
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic 8 жыл бұрын
+Xiaoke Ding (carveid4) Well please allow me to disagree. Image quality is not about pixels or about how accurate a lens performs. It is about composition, lighting, framing, movement and the correct use of a particular lens. And of course about using digital video graded and tweaked to death or real film. Still a huge difference! Great cinematographers can tell stories just by using these devices (and great music and sound effects plus editing). BUT: certain shots require great lenses (low light situations, shallow depth of focus to tell the audience where to look, what's important - all story telling devices!). Just take Stanley Kubrick, the all time master cinematographer. For "Barry Lyndon" he short with natural candle light. He ordered special lenses from NASA. Not joking! Can't shoot that kind of image through a glass shard, piece of plastic or a bottom of a bottle. Image quality (not necessarily technical quality) matters a LOT - because master cinematographers can tell stories even with minimal or no dialog, using the right lenses as tools. It's not just the story that matters - it's HOW it's told.
@charliecooper3030
@charliecooper3030 9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic stuff. Perfect balance between entertainment and information.
@akirawing
@akirawing 9 жыл бұрын
You also displayed the 5k footage scaled down to 1080p for the judges... its almost impossible to tell what detail is actually being resolved by the lenses at less than 1/4 resolution. You need to display on a large 4k+ projection or monitor to begin to notice the difference in most cases.
@MaghoxFr
@MaghoxFr 9 жыл бұрын
akirawing so, in other words, as almost nobody will be watching the final producto at that resolution, it doesn't matter
@pucupucubumbum
@pucupucubumbum 9 жыл бұрын
MaghoxFr youre right but youre also wrong. 4k is gonna be standard in like what... 3 years? and people will still be watching films and youtube videos that are shot now. so now it doesnt make that much of a difference but when 4k monitors are £200 (so like a good 1080p monitor now) i dont see many people sticking with 1080p
@darklordkai
@darklordkai 9 жыл бұрын
***** You overestimate the adoption rate of technology. If you look at Steam's hardware survey for May 2015, you will see that only 34% of the people surveyed use 1080p monitors and the percentages are way lower for resolutions higher than 1080p. Surprisingly 28% are using 2x 1080p monitors and the last large chunk to take into consideration are the people who are using 1366x768 (more than likely laptop users) that weighs in at 26%. Even if there is a dramatic shift to 4k in desktop environments (hardware requirements leave me skeptical), at best it'll be 30% in 5 years or so. Also if anything, 1080p usage will rise in the coming years as it becomes cheaper to put 1080p displays into 15inch laptops. store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
@pucupucubumbum
@pucupucubumbum 9 жыл бұрын
JSKAI yea I definitely see where you're coming from, but remember that the steam survey only covers gamers. I know people that don't know what steam is but have a 1440p iMac. Apple is also slowly gonna replace the normal iMac with the retina ones. And yes I definitely agree about laptops. For most people it won't be 3-4 years I guess. Also high end laptops are starting to come with 2k+ screens as well. Either way why not future proof and shoot everything in 4k :)
@ryan4butler1
@ryan4butler1 9 жыл бұрын
There's more to a lens' quality that sharpness.
@JustinHallPlus
@JustinHallPlus 8 жыл бұрын
That asian fitness guy really let himself go.
@drewbridger
@drewbridger 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing these! These videos make it so much easier for people like me to do some amatuer film-making, and go to show that you actually CAN do a lot with only a little budget! I'll definitely be watching more of these. Thank you.
@KeenMurphy
@KeenMurphy 9 жыл бұрын
This was so amazing. I expected these to all just be one shot lecture type things but this is so much better!!!
@smithjonson1634
@smithjonson1634 8 жыл бұрын
The major difference in the regular photographic lenses and cine lenses is not the quality, its the operation. 1 Better smoother focus ring with great numbering and a lock. 2 Aperture ring 3 smoother zooming ring
@tjseid
@tjseid 8 жыл бұрын
Samyang lenses are all manual and are usually under $500 with all the things you just mentioned :) Also they have fantastic glass
@smithjonson1634
@smithjonson1634 8 жыл бұрын
tjseid thanks a lot. I was looking for some cheap cine lens for some time. have you used it yourself.
@tjseid
@tjseid 8 жыл бұрын
smith jonson I actually have the 14mm and the 135mm and the 135mm F2 has been proven to be sharper then the canon L counterpart for about $200-$300 less at that. So yeah I'd recommend them :) Excellent value for money.
@smithjonson1634
@smithjonson1634 8 жыл бұрын
but I need something like 35-100mm lens. is there any cheap option similar to that.
@tjseid
@tjseid 8 жыл бұрын
cheap hmm eh you might have to drop a little bit of money. I'm sure there is something but it depends on your camera. My first through was the canon stm 18-135 or 28-135 non stm, but it all depends on your camera and your needs. Samyang/rokinon (like zeiss) only makes primes so you might want to look at a mid range lens or renting something a little more expensive (like a 24-105 lens)
@sergeantcrow
@sergeantcrow 8 жыл бұрын
There you have it... Never use the excuse 'I wish I could afford a super lens.' Get your vintage and new gear out and get shooting.
@magpieblue
@magpieblue 8 жыл бұрын
When I like a video, I usually press that like button at the end... but for this one I had to hit it when Freddie (?) burst through the lens chart! There were many other moments that I appreciated. I really enjoyed your video and that you put production effort into things like the lens chart in Skyfall's painting frame, editing around the moving people, even though it was a tiny part of the whole. I really like the style you have and look forward to seeing your past work as well as what is to come.
@pnyeguy
@pnyeguy 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome start to the school. Can't wait for all the information I will learn and money I will save in the rest of the videos!
@Dochorahan
@Dochorahan 8 жыл бұрын
Funny video bobby lee. Thanks. Subbed!
@_Me________
@_Me________ 8 жыл бұрын
hahahahahahahahaha
@bighuge1060
@bighuge1060 8 жыл бұрын
It's nice to know that in a financial pinch, the lower end lenses will still get the image.
@brechelt1
@brechelt1 8 жыл бұрын
+Thom Florio Imagine if some of our old film heros had access to lenses of this quality at these prices... We're in a great age.
@bighuge1060
@bighuge1060 8 жыл бұрын
We really are. Just the ability to shoot video and tweak it to look like film is such a great advancement. I think back to my two years at NYU dealing with Moviolas, waiting on labs, transferring, editing (then matching and editing again on the negative to match the edited workprint), syncing...It was both time consuming and financially prohibitive for the starting filmmaker. Today with a decent lens and a good prosumer camera, it's a pleasure.
@wennethicus5212
@wennethicus5212 8 жыл бұрын
+Thomas I disagree. I don't think we are in a great age. In the 60's and 70's anyone can get a camera and make a great movie. "Perhaps it sounds ridiculous, but the best thing that young filmmakers should do is to get hold of a camera and some film and make a movie of any kind at all." - Kubrick. Also the golden age of cinema has ended. Films are slowly dying. Nowadays people spend more time on KZbin than watching movies.
@EDToasty
@EDToasty 8 жыл бұрын
Or just get the 0$ no-lens attachment
@zanderinofilms
@zanderinofilms 9 жыл бұрын
Superb work guys. Love the values behind this video. The guys in the couch talk about pushing the lens to its extremes, which makes sense as a creative decision, but is rarely done on features so in that context has little value for this discussion. Keep up the great work, what really matters is the audience and if they're experience is improved.
@baconwithmusic93
@baconwithmusic93 7 жыл бұрын
just knew about this video. very informative and easy to understand. Thanks freddie and crews :)
@CooperxPage
@CooperxPage 8 жыл бұрын
I knew it would end up like that, I love when videos crush people's preconceived notions.
@joywolf83
@joywolf83 8 жыл бұрын
I know right! They had two people who obviously knew what they were talking about, AND seen it on a large screen. People steady in comments: well its not big enough to compare. People just like to be pretentious. The point was that you can't tell the difference and its true!
@CooperxPage
@CooperxPage 8 жыл бұрын
I understand where they're coming from when they say that there's more space to work within with the more expensive lenses, but the value levels just go off the deep end once you get to that 10-15,000$ deep end.
@nathanweisser
@nathanweisser 8 жыл бұрын
the focus chart in Skyfall has some considerable moire. Probably shot on a canon camera. Psshhh
@meWASHER
@meWASHER 8 жыл бұрын
I just want to say thanks, what you guys are doing is amazing. I've spent countless hours online searching for a resource like this channel. I think it's great that you guys are giving this information away for free. Thank you so much, keep up the great work.
@nonuora
@nonuora 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this test. Very creative, yet informative.
@StephanEilert
@StephanEilert 8 жыл бұрын
Usually, sharpness and other problems are more visible in photos, since you have to push lenses to its limits. Movies usually use less resolution, even 4k. I always say to people: if you are a photographer, invest in your lenses, you will notice a huge difference. If you are a film maker, invest in tripods, monopods, lighting equipment, etc etc, you can get away with it.
@6tic1
@6tic1 8 жыл бұрын
+Stephan Eilert You are very right about video, nobody can see difference between lenses. Can you tell any side where is honest tested side by side, with full size pictures cheap vs expensive lens ? And dont forget that camera af must fine tune to lens. I have sony a99 and many 20- 100e lenses and my lenses make exellent resolution after af fine tune. Bokeh is something like you compete who can see better looking unsharp. I think it is idiotism.
@PhinioxGlade
@PhinioxGlade 8 жыл бұрын
You don't need to spend to much to get nice glass for photography. Well not 5 gs anyway. as in all visual medium the gear is less important than the skill. Know your gear, learn how light works, have experience, tell a story. To paraphrase Tony Notchup "High end gear is a time saver" you can achieve similar results with extra time. Course not totally true, come on You will never get a f0.95 look from any gear you have, it still hold some weight. Specially shoot mid apertures. I shoot Sony and my favoriate lens is a old Minolta AF 100mm f2.8 1:1 Macro. It is nicer looking than my Zeiss 16-35, 35, 55, 85, 24-70.
@floex831
@floex831 7 жыл бұрын
Stephan Eilert I completely agree there! With the video even when you're slightly off focus it still looks in focus with photography it's not that way if it's out of focus you can tell it's out of focus I don't know why motion hides that a little bit more maybe it is because the resolution you shooting. A 24 megapixel stills camera is not 4K, it's much larger than that. I think he was right to mention that people just want to show off all I can afford this lens and I can afford that lines the same goes for photographers some people don't even know how to shoot they just have the money to own very expensive lenses and pretend their photographers. At the end of the day like everything else the lenses the cameras and even the computer just tools if you don't know how to tell a story I think he was right to mention that people just want to show off all I can afford this lens and I can afford that lines the same goes for photographers some people don't even know how to shoot they just have the money to own very expensive lenses and pretend their photographers. At the end of the day like everything else the lenses, the cameras, and even the computer just tools. If you don't know how to tell a story, or capture a moment then the most expensive lens in the world won't help you any.
@thetempleofxin8179
@thetempleofxin8179 8 жыл бұрын
lmao the pride of those DPs was completely shattered X)
@GiltheVlogsmith
@GiltheVlogsmith 9 жыл бұрын
This is the most informative video I have ever seen about lenses. Thank you for doing this!
@rickvale
@rickvale 8 жыл бұрын
You won me over in the first 2 minutes. Subscribed on that alone. You rock, sir.
@GGrev
@GGrev 8 жыл бұрын
A good carpenter never blames his tools. Even though I have all the Zeiss stuff etc, I still love the Soviet/Russian lenses made from the 50s until 80s because they have character and sharpness is overrated anyway, because many people have sharpness in their work but a lack of "sharpness" in their direction and concept. Oh and c-mount lenses on m43 cameras are way fun to use!!
@JoeNationTV
@JoeNationTV 9 жыл бұрын
hahaa! I love this. Best lens test video ever!
@IEStudios147
@IEStudios147 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video guys!! Thanks for the info!!
@monotonomos5847
@monotonomos5847 9 жыл бұрын
This is going to be an awesome series!Thanks Freddie!
@bgenevcius
@bgenevcius 8 жыл бұрын
Statistically, they three got pretty much the same results.
@penitent2401
@penitent2401 8 жыл бұрын
that chart in an art gallery frame in Skyfall actually does not looks out of place, call it modern art lol
@daemorhedron
@daemorhedron 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, loved the humor. Thanks for making!
@abhinavpardesi
@abhinavpardesi 7 жыл бұрын
this was the most logical approach I've seen till now... thank you guys for your amazing channel
@bricecine
@bricecine 8 жыл бұрын
Some of the most unintelligent information and decisions i've heard from a group of DP's
@yurka23
@yurka23 7 жыл бұрын
8:17 hate when that happens
@tobiascornille
@tobiascornille 9 жыл бұрын
This is all incredible stuff, thanks for making this! Extra points for the humor!
@SeanFinnegan
@SeanFinnegan 9 жыл бұрын
Viewers: if you're actually interested in being a cinematographer or shooting movies, you'd do well to ignore everything said in this video.
@bubblecube8
@bubblecube8 8 жыл бұрын
My dad is the DP on Orphan Black, cool cool
@SteamBunnyProd
@SteamBunnyProd 9 жыл бұрын
I understand that the channel is for newbs, which so far is pretty cool and entertaining. I would suggest when talking cinematography, Perhaps start at the beginning... explain what ISO does, what F-stops are, and how they balance each other. Cinematography can get crazy bogged down in tech most wont understand at first. It's boring, but i'm sure you guys can do well to make it cool. All the best: -Chill bro Film student at LMU
@alexhoverby
@alexhoverby 9 жыл бұрын
SteamBunnyProd I don't know, I think they started off at an okay point. There's plenty of pre existing resources on the internet already where a complete noobie could go to find those answers. they're starting right where I think someone who is just past the point of knowing their way around a camera enough :)
@SteamBunnyProd
@SteamBunnyProd 9 жыл бұрын
Alex Overby true, but if your going to teach, assume people know nothing and move from there :)
@alexhoverby
@alexhoverby 9 жыл бұрын
You got me there! I don't know, I guess I didn't look at it from the complete noobie perspective!
@MarioCastillion
@MarioCastillion 8 жыл бұрын
Man, you are waaaay too funny and I laughed my socks off! Glad I've stumbled on your channel and therefore I immediately clicked on the 'SUBSCRIBE' button!
@cadmus777
@cadmus777 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome, fantastic test. I hope you extend this using what the guys were talking about with ease of rack focus etc. with the cheaper lenses too. I was hoping you would show all of the footage with explanations of which was which, but I guess that's what the full comparison video is going to be, so thanks!
@Durwood71
@Durwood71 8 жыл бұрын
As the inimitable Ken Rockwell once said, "If you can shoot well, all you need is a disposable, toy camera or a camera phone to create great work. If you're not talented, it doesn't matter if you buy a [top of the line Nikon] or Leica; your work will still be uninspired."
@OneCheapEric
@OneCheapEric 8 жыл бұрын
If you attach a follow focus ring to DSLR lens it'll make pulling figure much easier by increasing the diameter on smaller lenses. You'll have to travel farther to reach same focus point.
@DarktrackStudiosBoulder
@DarktrackStudiosBoulder 8 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha that was a good one 😂😂😂
@OneCheapEric
@OneCheapEric 8 жыл бұрын
:...(.....
@DarktrackStudiosBoulder
@DarktrackStudiosBoulder 8 жыл бұрын
+CheapAssReviews I was just being silly, because it's pretty much assumed that you'll be using a follow focus for pulling focus with any of the lenses in this review. So the point still stands: a stills lens is going to have much less travel than a cine lens.
@OneCheapEric
@OneCheapEric 8 жыл бұрын
+Darktrack Studios if you attach something like this (www.ebay.com/itm/like/270932102641?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D112158380529_324272%2526itemid%253D270932102641%2526targetid%253D186358896009%2526rpc%253D0.16%2526rpc_upld_id%253D74747%2526device%253Dm%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F270932102641%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9061292%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D629907517%2526adgroupid%253D33360053409%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-186358896009%2526gclid%253DCjwKEAjwrcC9BRC2v5rjyvSbhWASJACKkjDzIamNzuwLk1_tIyQVVvxCr3ixZreMHpUlpDZ9xu-athoCHrHw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1077157195940&ul_noapp=true ) you'll have a larger diameter and then more pull.
@OneCheapEric
@OneCheapEric 8 жыл бұрын
+CheapAssReviews ebay.to/2bgMFSG
@mellarock
@mellarock 7 жыл бұрын
I almost spit coffee into my laptop screen in the time of focus chart joke. love your sense of humor. amazing video!
@chaplinesque111
@chaplinesque111 8 жыл бұрын
Good Stuff! Very informative and entertaining!! Cheers
@Gerthoi
@Gerthoi 9 жыл бұрын
Why did no one mentioning breathing, put your camera with inexpensive DSLR glass on a tripod with out panning or tilting, just still. Than rack focus and it will look bad in all situations, no possible solution than to change to the real stuff. A comparison with a rokinon cinema lens for example would therefore be much more interesting.
@Voidward
@Voidward 9 жыл бұрын
I feel like the only way they even got the extra answers were from specifically looking for more blurring and vignetting when it was wide open and noticing the number of aperture blades on the bokeh. Stuff that isn't at all subjective image quality but specifics qualities in lenses that are obvious tells about the type of lens you're using. I try to justify sharpness in lenses when buying for product photography, but even then you can fake and make up for so much of that in post that it realistically goes into the realm of snobbery very quickly. A good lens isn't going to make you a better photographer/cinematographer, it's just going to make your job easier. A pro with a shit lens will embarrass an amateur with the world's most expensive equipment any day.
@NihilQuest
@NihilQuest 8 жыл бұрын
Not only very funny but also educational. Subscribed.
@tinyturnip7676
@tinyturnip7676 8 жыл бұрын
If you're just getting into filmmaking, pick the cheapest one.
@Kapsones33
@Kapsones33 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Jr. Buy the one you can afford.
@tinyturnip7676
@tinyturnip7676 8 жыл бұрын
Questioning Humanity I still say pick the cheapest one and shoot lots of stuff. Your first few videos will be shit, and you're just seeing if you're into it or not.
@devoltar
@devoltar 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Jr. More appropriate would be to buy something one notch up from the cheapest. In particular get something with at least a passable focus ring. In practice the canon 50 shown is almost unusable for a lot of video shots because not only is the focus change quick, but the ring is tiny and on the front of the lens, meaning more shake and accidental hand-in-shot moments. Don't blow the bank, but don't cripple yourself either if you don't have to.
@aldown
@aldown 7 жыл бұрын
8:17 hello darkness my old friend
@KennedyMoronta
@KennedyMoronta 8 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks for the all the information guys
@WhyNotEntertainment
@WhyNotEntertainment 9 жыл бұрын
Great, informative Video... We have been struggling recently about our lenses, and this is a helpful video to help us choose! :D
@MoysyTech
@MoysyTech 9 жыл бұрын
cant tell any difference with the compression so it just shows if your doing youtube it doesn't matter.
@EileenTheCr0w
@EileenTheCr0w 8 жыл бұрын
Or basically any format other than super iMax.and even then most people will not care. It could be beautiful and have a terrible story or bad acting and nobody is going to recommend it.
@Jammsbro1
@Jammsbro1 8 жыл бұрын
DP's are full of themselves
@r3toun
@r3toun 9 жыл бұрын
I wasn't really into filming (and i'm not sure if i am now) but you make really funny videos of good quality. Thumbs up!
@ferris5150
@ferris5150 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! Really enjoyed this...encouraged me to do a little filming with my DSLR :D would love to see more content like this but with camera bodies for e.g.
@MoysyTech
@MoysyTech 9 жыл бұрын
50 1.8 has insane image quality but it's a sack of shit to pull focus
@imDuzzy
@imDuzzy 8 жыл бұрын
jon is so pretentious it hurts.
@exinexi
@exinexi 8 жыл бұрын
+duzzy i know, right? and how he's so nervous after he finds out he scored so poor that his foot is trembling uncontrollably. Damn!
@DanRizzuto
@DanRizzuto 9 жыл бұрын
best lens test ever. great work guys!
@Subverttech4
@Subverttech4 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks :D It was pretty awesome to see stuff like this. also makes me feel more confident.
@nathangek
@nathangek 8 жыл бұрын
It seems like the biggest visual difference in the lenses is in the bokeh, or is it just me?
@PhinioxGlade
@PhinioxGlade 8 жыл бұрын
That's the only major difference I could see
@squishytim7303
@squishytim7303 8 жыл бұрын
Not everything from germany is expensive! (I am german) 😂
@samsonsunday9813
@samsonsunday9813 8 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha!!! That was hilarious
@levelzero9255
@levelzero9255 8 жыл бұрын
you must be expensive too, how much is it costing me to type this lol. still the quality speaks for itself
@Naveronasis
@Naveronasis 9 жыл бұрын
I think the most obvious giveaway is the last night shot, the shape and quality of the lights as the come into focus... they are misshapen in A, and become more round and clean in B, and completely smooth and perfect in C.
@spitfire1x3
@spitfire1x3 8 жыл бұрын
The focus chart part killed me! Excellent video.
@smilllllyface
@smilllllyface 9 жыл бұрын
...those were two of the douchey-est DP's ever. They spend 5 minutes explaining how it was obvious to them which was which and heres why and they only guessed half of the shots correctly!?
@joywolf83
@joywolf83 8 жыл бұрын
I liked that. Its pretty much the same all over the comments here. People saying: "oh yeah I could completely tell the difference" and "well I have no other medium to watch youtube vids but on my phone, so the fact that I'm wrong doesn't mean anything" I thought they were gonna get more correct too lol ...just shows you don't get cocky!
@chelfyn
@chelfyn 8 жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight = your "expert" DPs want expensive lenses because of their imperfections? I call bullshit to this whole deal. It's as bad as h-ifi ripoff merchants, only most pro audio folk don't fall for it. For the difference in price, the results should be like chalk and cheese, but I struggled to tell the lenses apart, and even then, it wasn't clear which of them was objectively "better" in any way. Even you experts were barely better than random. It's laughable!
@MrWerbusiness
@MrWerbusiness 8 жыл бұрын
Love you bro I learned so much valuable info bro!!!
@JonasVanraes
@JonasVanraes 9 жыл бұрын
I love how you guys bring this, rocketjumpsauce
@shalom8073
@shalom8073 9 жыл бұрын
Shaun seems quite full of himself...so typical of these spoilt brat type people.....zzzzzzz
@BetterAestheticsBB
@BetterAestheticsBB 9 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this video. I shoot with a BMCC and DSLR lenses and enjoy seeing something like this that helps me feel better about what I do. BTW you've gained a quality subscriber, thanks for the video!
@sazaraki
@sazaraki 8 жыл бұрын
I HAD to stop the vid in the middle to make a comment. The moment that 007 sits down to stare at the painting I heard the audio beacon for The Emergency Broadcast System I ROLLED. BRILLIANT! But then I realised . . . it wasn't in the video, but was an ambient sound in my house (from the furnace to be exact) which somehow makes it even funnier. I'd never heard the furnace sound quite like that until this video. Well Done!
@swwak
@swwak 7 жыл бұрын
Focus charts! Gave me my second giggle for the day! Love it!
@GraeHall
@GraeHall 9 жыл бұрын
The point made @7:17 about degree of control over focus is really solid. It can be incredibly difficult in lower light to get sharp focus when you're doing it manually, it can be incredibly embarrassing to get your shots back and see that they weren't in focus. The greater fine control you have over focus the safer I feel with a lens.
@ovonisamja8024
@ovonisamja8024 8 жыл бұрын
At 2:14 I thought he was going to bash the camera onto the table. I literally jumped from my seat! lol
@ken1492207
@ken1492207 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Greatest value was the DPs sharing their thoughts about cheap gear vs expensive gear and the differences, and also their opinions in general about use and our generation. That kind of stuff in extremely valuable to aspiring videographers.
@10100rsn
@10100rsn 9 жыл бұрын
You totally nailed that focus chart shot. GG!
@LucBoeren
@LucBoeren 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, making film school accessible, fun and free?! Awesome!
@krisinsaigon
@krisinsaigon 8 жыл бұрын
thanks for this! not only did i find it very helpful and reassuring, but also genuinely entertaining, which was a nice surprise I'm looking to film a tv sitcom, all filmed indoors. any idea what lens would be best?
@ArtGuitarLTX
@ArtGuitarLTX 4 жыл бұрын
The INEXPENSIVE one looked great to me in all the shots, thanks guys! I have made my purchase idea!
@blakeb4583
@blakeb4583 9 жыл бұрын
Well this is relatable to guitars. It's like a low end all laminate guitar, vs a mid range solid wood guitar, vs a hand crafted high end solid wood guitar. The tone difference may not sound different to someone who doesn't play guitar, but to someone who actively plays guitar will notice an enormous difference in tone between the three
@alexanderdecebal-cuza3577
@alexanderdecebal-cuza3577 3 жыл бұрын
Never stop making these type of videos guys
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