[1515] This Eufy Smart Lock May Frustrate You (Model E110)

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[@Ben-fd9ws]

So what you're saying is that if someone buys this Eufy lock, they should pick up a genesis set instead of bothering to have keys cut?

[@CreativityNull]

Or the covert companion

[@typezero8929]

​@@CreativityNull isn't the genesis set a part of the covert companion?

[@CreativityNull]

@@typezero8929 you can get picks that are like the ones from the genesis set for the covert companion, but other than that no. The genesis set is full sized picks (and turning tools) not meant to fit into the covert companion.

[@phil2of3]

This guy gets it

[@thedarkdragon1437]

@@CreativityNull ah so i'll buy both

[@GeneralArin]

The amount of companies that just slap a cheap lock onto an otherwise expensive product is embarrassing

[@CreativityNull]

Reminds me of dash cam products. Garbage camera with garbage processing and you pay $300 for it to have a half decent gyroscope for crash detection and GPS speed recording

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

Most of that comes down to them being tech companies. They know how to make decent tech, electronics and so on, but they never consult someone that is an expert on actual locks. These companies probably dont care that much about the actual lock, in their eyes it is just a backup, that is more or less never going to be used and why spend money on that. In most cases, they probably just buy some off the shelf cheap lock mechanism and slap it on their tech product.

[@DanStaal]

But they didn't here. They went to some lengths to make a *unique* lock - a cheap one would fit the normal keys. They put effort into making a worse lock than anyone else.

[@CreativityNull]

@@DanStaal I want to look into it personally, but I'm not so sure it's a "unique" lock. My guess is that it's a cheap core common to the Chinese market (where I believe eufy is based) and they didn't bother to check to see if it would cause problems in the US market (and other markets potentially)

[@Kram1032]

I'm not even sure it's technically that cheap in this case, as they seemingly went out of their way to make a lock that fits a nonstandard key which surely would push up the price of production due to lower volumes?

[@efaxdi]

Customer: Asks the locksmith to make a duplicate key for their Eufy smart lock. Locksmith: Hands them the wave rake and the turner.

[@delpinsky]

Exactly. You know, people could even live with the inconvenience of the non standard key:"Cool, it means it will be a real pain in the ass for a thief!". But when they discover you just need a rake to open the lock, all the initial frustration, then become serendipity, it turns into rage! 😄

[@rossimarti]

And now the “Master Key” is out in the public.

[@HakanaiVR]

You know, I showed one key cutting shop this exact smart lock, and their reaction was basically "nope, can't cut a key for this." So yeah. Honestly I wasn't planning to use the key anyway and having the keyhole is basically having an open security hole anyway. Are there any good smart locks which _don't_ come with an obvious, pickable back door?

[@IstasPumaNevada]

Eufy's choice of key reminds me of DRM on video games; inconveniences legitimate users, while doing virtually nothing to actually stop people who have ill intent.

[@Ceece20]

Pretty much, boot up and authentication issues? Nah, publishers need to keep using that DRM because the first 5 hours of a game release are the most important lol.

[@CptJistuce]

At least video game copy-protection is intentionally serving a purpose, albeit heavily-misguided. This is just garden-variety ineptitude.

[@JohnSmith-xv1tp]

This, for real. Pirates always crack the games in a few hours to a few days anyway, so why can't they just remove the DRM after that? It's totally just like this lock, actively worse for legitimate users while ultimately easier and better on those skirting the system entirely

[@StarHorder]

nah, this lock actuates smoothly. it'd have the jam for a fraction of a second every time you used it to by like DRM

[@rewardilicious]

@@JohnSmith-xv1tp I bet for how much gamers complain about DRM, if they had the option to buy a game for $17 with DRM or $20 without it, they'd mostly pick with DRM.

[@_Bumby_]

Just imagine at the company pitch for this lock… “So we are going to have a key for this lock that isn’t available anywhere else on the market and takes extremely long to make a duplicate of.” “Ah I see, that must mean that it would be more secure than your average lock on the market, right?” “Well…”

[@AnimalLover101195]

Eufy: no one can get get in if there's no key that fits it. *taps temple*

[@velipulla3936]

Cringe

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

Eufy's new slogan: Easier to bypass than to get a replacement key.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

And they are nice enough to include four non-destructive ways to open it. The easiest being: Look at the number pad and copy the possible patterns based on fingerprints on that nice glossy touchscreen!

[@windowsfan95]

The question is: Was the picking fluke or not, since he only did it once?

[@mane23695]

@@windowsfan95 he only did it once. Definitely a fluke

[@zombie5176]

LPL: *Going into long detail of the awful frustrations you'll have trying to get a key properly cut for this Eufy lock* LPL: So anyway we're using a wave rake for this 👍

[@johnofthenorth6653]

Yep, you know the lock is junk when you see the wave rake.

[@eriklarson9137]

Lol, yes. Same same.

[@danielkorladis7869]

I literally laughed when he got through the explanation of the weird key and then brought out the rake

[@alleriodrone]

Yeah, they could skip the key copys and buy a wave rake... Universal key to any eufy lock.

[@stevethepyro420]

​@@johnofthenorth6653 🤣👍

[@TysonJensen]

So on the third trip the locksmith sells you a wave rake and teaches you how to use it. Neat.

[@jfftck]

You just watched how to use the wave rake, it is only 5 seconds to open, and looks like the most basic attack you can do to a lock that doesn’t have a hole for a wire.

[@donwald3436]

@@jfftck whoosh

[@my3dviews]

​@@jfftck There was a double core lock that was even easier to open. You just needed a pick to reach past all of the pins and then turn it.

[@anubizz3]

Why you buy smart lock in the begin with? To open it with a key? If you get other access, just super glue it problem solved

[@rayoflight62]

It is not the first time I hear the Eufy name. Then I recalled the controversy Eufy had with Linus Sebastian here on YT, who pulled out of the sponsorship he had with Eufy. This happened because an Eufy camera promised maximum privacy, while Linus discovered that this door camera was uploading the pictures to a server in China. Not surprised they made an unsecure lock with a non - copyable key. Thank you LPL for all the enlightenment about security, that you provide to all your subscribers. Greetings, Anthony

[@NatesHomeTours]

I pointed out Linus Tech tips also in my comment.

[@isaackvasager9957]

Yup, Eufy is owned by Anker....they are trash. While their Anker products are actually pretty high quality, I wouldn't recommend purchasing them just to make a point to Anker that they can't also have brands like Eufy that are totally garbage. Eufy directly lied about how they were handling customer data...then got called out...and KEPT LYING.

[@ChaimS]

@@isaackvasager9957 I'm just curious, what do you use instead? As you say, Anker's kinda the best out there, what have you replaced them with?

[@sw6188]

I used to have a HUAWEI smartphone. When I discovered how corrupt and unethical the makers and their country were I ditched it and bought a more reputable brand. It is also probably made in china but at least there is no suggestion the company spies on people.

[@madtech5153]

even LTT was sadden by it that they had to drop Anker just cause of Eufy despite having good experiences with Anker themselves and their products (Anker only).

[@blahhotel1499]

Locksmith here. I have come across these keys before, from a couple different cheap manufacturers. I have missed the different head before, and when it came back, i noticed it was a KW1 with a Schlege head. Once i recut it, i noticed that when i shoulder stopped it, the blade came short of the new blank. Shoulder stopping is standard in my area, as it guarantees that even if the key is shorter, you will notice because it will cut off most of the tip. After which, one can file/grind off the remaining finger below the chuck. The only way this could be an issue is if the key is code cut and not compared. I could see some newer locksmiths missing that (i was there). It is good to spread the knowledge of the different heads, as that is a pain, but having a shorter key shouldn't make a difference as long as the locksmith is competent.

[@MissJeanette136]

So it’s quicker to pick the lock than it is to find a key for it 😂

[@badmally]

Excellent deduction!

[@TesserId]

Pity there are places where it's illegal to carry a wave rake with you.

[@Colaman112]

@@TesserId Just put it under your doormat like you would with a spare key (if you were a careless homeowner).

[@veganbutcherhackepeter]

That's not so uncommon. I challenge my friends to choose a random lock from my lock box and then find the right key in that same box and open the lock faster than I can pick it. I usually win the beer.

[@highkicker11]

@@TesserId only illegal if your not doing good things with it.

[@theHalberdAI]

Bloody hell, I knew exactly what this video was about right when I saw the title. As someone who works in a Frattallone's hardware store, I ran into this EXACT same issue a couple weeks ago. Customer brought keys in to be cut earlier in the morning, was cut a set of four SC1s and sent on her way. She came back later that evening while I was there and said her keys didn't work on her lock. She figured the were too thick, so I thought, "Oh, maybe she needs some SC9s instead!" (They're a tiny bit on the thinner side and have a slightly altered keyway.) So I inspected them and noticed the grooves were the complete opposite way around from a standard Schlage keyway. I then asked her what the keys go to and that's when she described her Eufy smart lock. (Same model and all.) Thankfully I compared her keys carefully against my KW1 blanks before I cut any and noticed the length difference. Though I think I might've used WR5 blanks in my case? Can't remember. We refunded her for three of her SC1s and just swapped the fourth with whatever I cut for her. She was nice enough about it after I explained what had happened, though! Haven't seen her or the key I cut for her since. :P But in any case, it's hugely frustrating for both parties. For one, it heavily inconveniences the customer. Besides having a nonstandard lock with an obscure (and insecure) keyway, it means they have to burn gas driving back and forth between home and the location they had their keys cut if the discrepancy isn't caught. AND it makes the vendor look bad. But even if the vendor catches the discrepancy, there's still a reasonable chance they may not know how to replicate the key, and the customer goes home empty handed (and possibly furious) anyways. I could see the justification for a nonstandard keyway on a smart lock if it offered a higher degree of security, but being wave-raked open is just not acceptable. Many thanks to you, LPL. Most of my lock and key knowledge comes from your videos, and it's been invaluable help with my job! Cheers.

[@elvinhaak]

Since you work there: why do people want more keys for such a lock? I thought you would install a lock like this, install the app and save / set codes and then put the keys in a locker somewhere or not even that but chuck them in a drawer somewhere. /?

[@theHalberdAI]

@@elvinhaak Mostly they get keys copied for their kids for when they come home on the bus, which really should be a non-issue for smart locks since A) they should know the keypad combination, and B) I think the Eufy locks in particular come with a set of 4 keys.

[@andyruse4670]

@@theHalberdAI ​ even in the stereotypical American nuclear family, they might want 1 key for the husband, 1 for the wife, 1 for kid A, 1 for kid B, and a fifth for the garage/desk drawer/ neighbor. Even 4 keys might not be enough sometimes. And people are creatures of habit. He didn’t mention a 9v option for backup opening, so people probably get paranoid about the battery.

[@tcpratt1660]

Points for "working at Frattalone's" (great people at all five different Frattalone's I've been to)... ...for those who don't know, Frattalone's is a Twin Cities, Minnesota local hardware store chain...not HomedLowes or Walbor Freigmart, GOOD hardware stores... ...sadly, however, like the rest of the mass market stores that sell locks, nothing really special, and then, they have MasterLocks... ...I didn't see any Kwikset with "Beyond Maximum Security", though, and no HyperTough anywhere 😊

[@sir_john_hammond]

@@andyruse4670 "stereotypical American" lol. As if families in most other countries are any different.

[@kloassie]

Moral of the story: don't bother making spare keys for every lock you own, just buy a covert companion set and a bag of skill or experience

[@meltedrabbit]

Why bother with keys? Just use a covert companion set for every lock. Bonus points for modifying the keyway so that no key fits.

[@666Tomato666]

There isn't much skill involved in using a wave rake...

[@penfold7800]

NO DONT! DONT PICK A LOCK YOU NEED TO RELY ON (Rule:2) ...Rule:1 is Only pick locks that you own or have permission from the owner.

[@texchu8331]

@@penfold7800 It's just for backup. It's expected you'll never use the keyhole, so a wave rake for backup is fine. I have a keypad lock, and I'm the only one with the key. No one else even wants to carry a key, and they use the backdoor keypad if the front doesn't work.

[@emjay5364]

I'm pretty sure that was a fluke. Dude forgot his own format. 😂 But for real... I love your channel and content. Thanks for the years of entertainment and education.

[@IOCaneTech]

I came to mention that too hahaha

[@le_fancy_squid]

At this point though he could literally snap and open a lock, and I would still believe he actually did it.

[@dan91ify]

you know lpl is mad at a company when doesn't even do the fluke test lol

[@brycesmith5784]

As my grandpa would say, "A lock just keeps honest people out"

[@percevalzinzin5983]

Yup back that was back in the days... now, a lock no longer keeps out honest people with LPL wave rake.

[@Sting_ray]

Eufy has been under fire in the tech/smart home space recently for streaming unencrypted video from “smart” cameras in people homes to anyone who can guess the link, and lying about it in their marketing. So this lock is basically par for their course.

[@WayneWerner]

Came here to say this

[@liliya_aseeva]

I remember Hikvision also does this (allowing token link fraud with cameras), but you can install a password, but this is very cumbersome and done only through official apps or webpages which are full of "google translate".

[@A-Negative]

They recently added encryption, though it’s a bit clunky.

[@TomServo1969]

Eufy seems to be a company that hates its customers.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

​@@A-Negative They *said* they weren't sending it at all before though, so anyone who trusts them now is a fool

[@DarkPriest2288]

I haven't been watching much in the past year or two, but I think this is the first time LPL mentions anything about "frustration" for a lock

[@lavenderva2507]

W AGL LR Gohan profile picture

[@paulevans9307]

​@Don't Read My Profile Photo Don't read this reply

[@rynn_3988]

Wtf so many yt bots

[@DarkPriest2288]

@@rynn_3988 😔

[@perwestermark8920]

​@@rynn_3988 Because YT focuses on delivering ads for scam products and minimises their investment in bot filters. Their #1 filter is for remote links making you leave YT.

[@ledlebrgr5380]

This is the only lock that DESERVES the wave rake!

[@EviGL]

"I couldn't find a master to cut keys for it, so I just rake it every time I get home"

[@benjamin1503]

I was thinking the same thing, I was happy when I saw him pull out the wave rake.

[@mrnoodley]

The key looks like a wave rake with that factory bitting.

[@oldschoolman1444]

I knew it was over when he pulled out the wave rake.

[@VinayVarsani]

Was kind hoping for the PU mallet tbh

[@1Arrowkill1]

I used to work for Ace for 5 years and honestly things like this were fairly common. I used to manually file down keys that had too long and once I realized they were fairly common I was always on the lookout for things like this. A first time buyer really should be told things like this and I am glad you are around to do so! The average employee won't be on the lookout for keys like this for sure.

[@DeMyztikX]

I also worked at an Ace for 5 years and instantly noticed the blade was a KW1 too. I've had to file down the ends to adjust the length. Stuff like this is unfortunately more common than people realize.

[@markm0000]

I love going there 🥹

[@jagfan101]

Ace is the place with the helpful hardware folks 🎶 ☺️

[@armadillolover99]

I’ve had a few copies done at a local Home Depot and I noticed the last few times that the guy making the keys compared them to the old key when he was done to make sure the sizing was right, and shaved down every part that didn’t perfectly line up.

[@vadnegru]

To be fair, nobody should buy THIS lock. I also saw how master compares keys, i had this idea that his replica was very imperfect, so he filed it. And yes, sometimes key was just jamming or spinning freely and not opening.

[@leokimvideo]

Embarrassing how easy this was picked. Smart lock for dumb people

[@benoitlabatut]

Eufy so nice they made it so you don't need a key to open it ! That way you don't even need to make copy of your key ! Next level problem solving !

[@matthewbaker5359]

Modern problems require modern solutions. 👍

[@MudakTheMultiplier]

Just like the video streams for their cameras!

[@roguebanshee]

It's even better, once you get a bit tech savvy you can even get to watch through the camera of every Eufy lock/doorbell in the neighbourhood (or city/country/world). And since they also use facial recognition and assigns everyone a unique ID, you'll also be able to set up alerts to track anyone caught on a Eufy camera anywhere in the world (that has a Eufy camera) if you want to.

[@IAmKrego]

When LPL said "let's see what it takes to get this open," I was like "if he grabs a wave rake instead of a lockpick after ALL OF THAT for the keys, I am going to lose my mind." I think I might literally have a psychotic break if you showed me how easy this was to pick if I had just gone through the ringer trying to get keys made.

[@lastweekslasagna1699]

When he said it I said “wave rake”. When he pulled out the rake I actually yelled “Yeeeeeeesss!” I love guessing the picking method.

[@jeremiahbullfrog9288]

Don't worry, it was probably a fluke.

[@treescompany3462]

Had almost word for word the exact same reaction. You could probably hear me screaming NOOOO when I saw it from outside my apartment

[@TheDonutMan3000]

I had a laughing fit when I saw him pulling out the rake. It's just like one of these jokes with super elaborate setup and a really lame punch line to really rub in the time wasted

[@km077]

Well... at least he didn't pull out a magnet... or a piss hammer... or a piece of an aluminum can... or o twig... or his fist either to punch or slap it open.

[@RockMountainYJ]

Eufy: we got it…total pick resistance by changing the parameters of the key itself. LPL: hold my wave rake

[@QuadraticPerplexity]

Well, beats when he's like, "hold my wave rake while I find a spoon."

[@darrenfalconer3267]

But if they hold the wave rake he can't use it to pick lock, that's why it's always hold my beer.

[@doodlegarbage6769]

@@darrenfalconer3267 He doesn't need a wave rake his skills are that superb

[@AresFordwin]

Hold my turner* (in place)

[@ADoseofBuckley]

I was like "Oh what happens if he pulls out the wave rake after all this?", they made this key such a pain to get duplicated, only for it to be pickable by a 10 year old.

[@hermanfinster7692]

I have a more expensive eufy smart lock (fingerprint) that has a curved key. It would be nice to know if it is more pick resistant than this model.

[@HALDikopter]

Every time the wave rake comes out at LPL, it sends chills down the manufacturer's spine.

[@ashkebora7262]

That would require them to care about security in the first place.

[@gnarlin4964]

That doesn't true. For all the years that LPL has been wave-racking shit locks those corporations don't seem to improve their locks. I think it would take a series of class action law suits to start to move the needle on this.

[@briAction]

At least when the tool that he and Bosnian Bill made comes out you know it's a tough lock 😂

[@spacemissing]

They don't Have spines, so they feel nothing.

[@rps215]

This same company already received a mouthful from Linus Sebastian of all people.

[@davidkomai]

I was laughing about the keys and figured he’d show it was vulnerable to “easy” picking anyways….but then he pulled out the rake I instantly went “oh snap…you’re kidding”. That is just negligence of the company right there.

[@MikeDCWeld]

I wouldn't have been surprised if the blank had worked!

[@urbypilot2136]

From security cameras that broadcast the recordings to the world, to door locks that can easily be picked, Eufy has you covered!

[@nasonguy]

It's too bad. Eufy kinda started out decent. I have one of their robovacs from YEARS ago, pre-wifi smart everything. Just a plain old bump-around-your-house robovac... The damn thing refuses to die, and eufy still sells oem parts for it often at a cheaper cost than the 3rd party stuff on ebay/amazon. I am honestly so happy with that dang vacuum. Couldn't recommend it more. It's got thousands of runs on it and just keeps chugging. But it seems like anything that is an IoT device, or connects to the cloud is right out. Same with anything that is even remotely a security product. And they've shifted heavily to being an IoT and Security company.

[@MrJest2]

@@nasonguy Yup. I've got one of those vacs too, and it's indestructible (provided a bit of maintenance and the occasionally replaced "consumable" like the wipe brushes). Dumb as a box of rock, but just keeps on bumbling about doing it's thing. However, yeah - they've really killed their credibility recently, both in quality and "spyware".

[@dariankoltzer3646]

what do u mean broadcasting to the world??

[@urbypilot2136]

@@dariankoltzer3646 Eufy cameras were uploading supposedly local only video recordings to the cloud even when users had that setting disabled.

[@amburger4963]

Covered with naked pictures of your family in their cubicle. Eufy is the new oppsie

[@DarkenRaul1]

Can the lock cylinder be swapped out for a different, more secure one? I know it’s not ideal, but that’s a feature that’s always appreciated.

[@DemoniqueLewis]

2:50 when he breaks out the wave rake I just drop my head in shame. Over $100 for nothing but trouble.

[@karrachr000]

As someone who has cut many thousands of keys, for an uncountable number of different keyways, I have encountered these situations plenty of times. I learned early on, to always check that the keyways matched before you cut, and always double check that the profiles match after you are done cutting. So many times, I had customers with non-standard length keys, and I would have to either shave the end down (like with your key) or shave the shoulders back.

[@theHalberdAI]

While I don't have THAT level of experience, I can absolutely attest to this. I've seen people bring in some weirdo keys that look like Schlages but are KW1s. Even when you think you're sure you're picking out the right blank, you better make damn sure.

[@CompletelyNormal]

Knowing how Eufy handles data security in their smart cameras, it's no surprise to see them making a lock that can be raked open.

[@jamesstack7237]

This! People should not be buying ANYTHING from Eufy. Period.

[@sophierobinson2738]

@@jamesstack7237 My little robot sweeper seems to work okay. Gets stuck, occasionally, in an odd corner.

[@Tfin]

@@sophierobinson2738 Your robot may be uploading images of everything it sees, and they aren't stored securely.

[@DanB-0]

​@@Tfin which happened with the irobot robot vacuum as the company used the company scale ai to handle the data the robot vacs take and there was a case where a woman was on the toilet and the irobot vac entered the bathroom on its route captured photos of her sitting on the toilet and a group of workers at scale ai ended up posting the photos on facebook among themselves. This was covered online a few months back.

[@sophierobinson2738]

@@Tfin considering that it doesn't have a camera, I'm not very worried about that. It is the simplest one around, with bumpers that make it turn around, and a drop off sensor.

[@petrwad1423]

Eufy is super sketchy. What they did with their security cameras caused LTT to drop Anker (their parent company) a sponsor

[@ragnkja]

What did they do?

[@rcytray]

@@ragnkja iirc it was something about storing user camera data in the cloud despite one of their main selling points being that they don't store anything in the cloud

[@MCKoolperson9]

​@@ragnkja They marketed their cameras as 100% offline, and it turned out they not only send pictures and videos to their server, but they also did not encrypt them and it was possible to access videos from other cameras without an account. To put the icing on the cake they lied about it, then said people should have assumed that's how it worked, and never apologized

[@kewltune4683]

@@ragnkja sending video footage to server in China without your knowledge/permission. Search on youtube for more details.

[@matthewellisor5835]

@@MCKoolperson9 Nice summary

[@serendipityshopnyc]

To be fair, they did make it really difficult for a thief to make a new copy of your key to use on your lock! 😆

[@ArchaeanDragon]

That takes "Security by Obscurity" to a whole 'nother, physical level.

[@Maskawanian]

Well given what Eufy did with their other security appliances, this should not come as a surprise.

[@roadstar_na6]

Doesn't look like the people who made this lock were smart. And to add insult to injury, the wave rake makes an appearance :D

[@sandwiched]

That story was a marvelous primer for the shoe drop of the wave rake! I laughed when it came out like I haven't laughed in a while. 😂

[@joswald9160]

I was waiting for him to just pull out a magnet and be done.

Yup, this was for the long time fans 😂

[@ajquigg93]

Would love a video of whether it's possible to completely replace the lock mechanism to something more standard

[@infiltrator2]

Hi mate. Thanks for all your informative videos. I was wondering if you could do a set of videos that show the best of the best in both door locks and padlocks. It is hard for someone like me who watches your videos religiously to work out what is a good unit, when you break out a wave rake and bang its open haha. Cheers Marty

[@rossimarti]

If it takes longer than a minute for LPL to open, then it’s a good lock.

[@hazel-vf7on]

The more I read into them, the more I realize that smart locks and their respective companies seem to be more dumb than smart... I'll stick to the analog locks that you personally suggest! They seem to have a sense or stability that nothing else does.

[@mute1085]

I mean, they are making money. The ones dumb are those who give them money.

[@rps215]

That's why I will never trust "smart" things that otherwise have absolutely no business connecting to a wifi in the first place. Not only wave rake, crowbar, or mallet still work on them, but hackers may try to lock me in. Double points if you are in an area where the electricity isn't reliable and still prone to have brownouts or blackouts.

[@whatbroicanhave50character35]

I wouldn't worry too much about getting insanely pick-proof door locks anyways. Most theives are going to take the path of least resistance. Doors locked? Windows locked? Most theives aren't even going to bother at that point unless they know for sure something insanely valuable is inside. They'll just hit a house that isn't locked. If they're determined to get in, I can almost guarantee you they're not carrying lockpicks. They'll kick in the door or bust a window.

[@Orzorn]

A lot of "smart" things are just ways to extremely cheap, garbage tier electronic product makers to sell stuff at high price points to the uninformed. Its practically predatory.

[@lairdcummings9092]

I cut keys. I long ago learned to check the warding and bitting against the original key; I hate when a customer comes back with a bad key.

[@AR-ed3xw]

Now I'm not sure if that was a fluke or not!!!

[@thegift6749]

Eufy is also a company that lied in their marketing and were unfortunately doing the exact opposite of what they said they were offering in terms of privacy. Linus Tech Tips did a whole discussion about in one of their wan show podcasts. Even went as far as to cut ties with the parent company Anker who was a major sponsor for them.

[@JonathanCable1]

This is why I prefer the August Smart lock. It just replaces the inside and then you can still choose a better lock for the outside or even go completely keyless.

[@OGSontar]

Wow. LPL seems to be so upset with them he didn't even do the "...once more, to show that it wasn't a fluke..." repeat raking. I think that's the first time this has happened, and will ensure that 'Eufy' is a name I don't do business with.

[@ailmentx9746]

So... it was a fluke!

[@maddeninvestments]

Smart house owners sweating rn

[@nedyahyakcam]

with all the other eufy shit that went on there shouldnt be any owners

[@ZyronZA]

At this point I've learned that the only unpickable lock is one that doesn't use a key. And even then it's not guaranteed.

[@nasaboy87]

The only smart appliances I want are lights, thermostat, and a Roku.

[@Card_Asylum]

​@DontReadMyProfilePhoto_3I won't.

[@Jehty_]

@@ZyronZA unpickable is not what's expected from a lock. Not-rackeable would already be a huge thing.

[@joaofelipe2060]

So they made a non standard key but looks like a standard key, that you cannot find a easy way to replicate, unless you buy from them(i imagine) and spend more money with them, made all this effort with all electronic features, only to be defeated by some of the lowest skill attack. I know nothing about the locks industry, but I can say I am impressed. it's like that image from internet, where you have a gate for an open area, but there is no fence.

[@ssl3546]

All chinese locks are like this. There is no standard for how keys are shaped there and there's no expectation of getting keys copied. That said, someone would have to be a fool to buy anything made by Eufy.

[@feronar-warsongus221]

Another major problem with keypad locks that LPL didn't mention here is fingerprints and wear patterns on the keypad. If you have a 4 digit combination, the numbers will very quickly show up on the keypad, so anyone looking can see what the digits are. They just have to guess the order, which will take at most 4! (4 factorial), or 24 guesses.

[@SolidSonicTH]

Yes...but then wave rake...

[@Zarkonem]

LPL: Lets see what it takes to actually pick it. Me: I bet he's about to pull out the wave rake, isn't he? LPL: ... and i'm going to use this wave rake... Me: I KNEW IT!

[@kenthanson]

I’ve liked this smart lock “series”. Seeing so many cheap Amazon smart locks being installed on homes and especially Airbnb’s all with their own singular one bad thing has been frustrating as a lock guy and hopefully this helps shed some light on them.

[@lennyf1957]

3:00 OMG, you did the unthinkable. You didn't say, "I'll do this again to show that it wasn't just a fluke"😜

[@KevinT3141]

It's been 30 years since I was cutting keys in the local hardware store during college, and the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that key was "Oh, that's a Schlage SC1."

[@noyb7920]

Second thing was, I hope: "Check the keyway and length anyway"

[@KevinT3141]

@@noyb7920 Lol, I was a college kid at a chain store. I doubt it would ever even have crossed my mind back then...

[@JT-hw6mq]

Love your work. Have you considered doing a recommendations review of locks you like?

[@DraconaiAuracto]

"Let's see what it takes to pick it open." WHO GIVES A F*** WHAT IT TAKES TO PICK IT OPEN IF TWO OUT OF THREE LOCKSMITHS CAN'T MAKE YOU A NEW KEY? I don't care if this thing is literally unpickable, if you can't get a key cut for it without intimate knowledge of locks and keys, then even HAVING a lock cylinder is F***ING WORTHLESS! ...I mean, you WARNED me that I would be frustrated, but I wasn't expecting THAT.

[@x_x_w_]

When you get to the point where he's ready to pick it and you see that there's only 10 seconds left short of the ending.... You can just hear the crowd chant "wave rake wave rake wave rake"

[@MrSGL21]

You know it's bad when he pulls out the wave rake.

[@mattdnewman]

Isn't Eufy also the company that lied about how their security cameras worked (claimed they were never uploaded to their servers and remained local but in actuality they were uploaded unencrypted)?

[@syd.a.m]

That's the one.

[@nmos001]

They never claimed data was never uploaded. They claimed local storage which is 100% true. It's fair to criticize that the data wasn't encrypted, but it's unreasonable to criticize them for uploading data when the user wants notifications with their app/infrastructure.

[@mattdnewman]

@@nmos001 They absolutely did claim they never uploaded it, then they said "ok we do upload it for notifications but it's encrypted" and then it was proven they weren't encrypting it either. I'm all for allowing notifications but a security device company that lies to you, gets caught and gives you a new lie should not be trusted for anything ever

[@nmos001]

@@mattdnewman show me the advertisement that stated that nothing gets uploaded. I keep asking people who make claims like your and all I get is silence. All their advertisements state "local storage" as a feature, which is definitely the case.

[@mattdnewman]

@@nmos001 Ok, didn't realize I was talking to Eufy PR. You can twist it all you want, there is no reason non-employees of eufy should trust them

[@YukoValis]

They spent more time designing the custom key than they did the lock.

[@TroubleChute]

tfw it's quicker to not use the key

[@reggiedixon2]

To be fair, the manufacturer thought ahead and realised that if they make the lock childishly simple to rake, then the lack of being able to get keys cut will not matter

[@derfuchs3296]

Eufy trolling their own customers more then they do an actual thief trying to break into this thing lmao

[@ApKNJ]

Speaking of keys that are almost but not quite using a standard blank, those "minute key" automated kiosks in places like Walmart entryways can sometimes create keys that lock places can't duplicate. We got our weird gate keys duped that way after our local lock place couldn't do it.

[@tigeogr]

Can you made a video with, what do you believe is worth ed locker or with the least flows possible, which by your experience can be fixed, please! And put them in three categories of cheap, fine and expensive. I am asking that because I am shure you are going to find flows even in the expensive ones and just to try to avoid them! 👉👍

[@CaptainBadass]

after the third trip to the keymaker, I would just add the waverake to my keyring and call it good

[@ashrowan2143]

Waverake and always carry photo ID in case someone gets shitty with you and you'll still be going through less effort than the bullshit it takes to get a proper key cut for the thing

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Excellent information - we have a Eufy doorbell and were actually considering this lock, but not any more!

[@coopercummings8370]

You might want to consider replacing the doorbell as well. They recently got caught uploading all the videos from their cameras to a chinese server completely unencrypted and making them publicly accessible without any kind of password or other security despite claiming that they hosted everything locally and didn't upload anything to the cloud.

[@reznovvazileski3193]

When the lock is protecting your stuff from yourself better than it is protecting it from actual criminals :')

[@panda4247]

You reminded me of Tim Minchin's song Not Perfect. ...And the weirdest thing is that this house Has locks to keep the baddies out But they're mostly used to lock ourselves in

[@ryantarlond9987]

@@panda4247 Tim Minchin, I see you're a panda of culture

[@rajamicitrenti1374]

It makes me think they were trying to create a situation where the customer would feel required to order spares through the mail from them, rather than being able to go anywhere else. Is there a code included in the package that gives the key bitting?

[@ian3580]

Why would you want spare keys for a lock that you bought specifically to not need to use a key? The only real purpose of the key is if the lock battery is dead or the electronics fail and you have no secondary way into your home. So I'm not sure why you would need more than the two keys it comes with except in extraordinarily rare circumstances.

[@reav3rtm]

​​@@ian3580 I agree. But then they key should not be so trivial to defeat.

[@ian3580]

@@reav3rtm I didn't say that it had good security - my point is that a complaint that keys are hard to copy doesn't matter (and in some ways would improve security if the lock weren't so easy to defeat by raking).

[@reav3rtm]

@@ian3580 And I am not arguing with you:) That "But then" was aimed at the product, not your statement.

[@dontbeasadsoulja]

I love LPL's videos so much. They even bring more quality entertainment content than Disney+.

[@ashcraig]

2:27 third trip... ? No. First trip to my printer for an Amazon return label. Then have coffee (it's close to my printer) lol

[@socialcontracttheory]

My apartments just replaced all the locks in our building with MiLocks DF-02. If I had one to send you, but I'd love to see you review it so I either feel safer or show them why it was a bad idea.

[@Meemoe_]

im starting to be able to pretty confidently recognize what kind of picking LPL will do before the tools come into play .i guess thats what a thousand episodes will do

[@sangraal043]

Oh! I don't even own this lock and I can feel the rage building up inside of me over that key. Such an informative video. You should do a whole series of videos on locks.... You seem to know what you're talking about.... 😂😂😂. Thanks LPL for all you do.

[@pietvanvliet1987]

I am in no imaginable way qualified to open a lock with anything but the right key. So I was on board with mocking the non-standard key. Then I saw the rake and I almost physically felt Eufy's pain...

[@jfftck]

Every time the wave rake shows up, you know it is so easy that even someone without lock picking skills can open it. The only thing worse is when a wire is pulled out - which is most likely a Master Lock product. I wouldn’t buy anything Eufy that relates to security as they have a track record of bad practices.

[@xdboardsurfer]

Anyone else unreasonably happy when the wave rake comes out. 😆

[@retirementpirate3665]

Not lying to you. Kinda made my day.

[@alexandernordstrom1617]

I knew it was going to be a rake when I saw it was only 50 seconds left of the video. And I smiled.

[@TheZoenGaming]

Considering that their home security cameras were a security risk, I'm not surprised that their locks are secure.

[@avinotion]

I was so expecting that wave rake, but it still came out without a warning. Nice job, LPL. Well done.

[@alopandur]

I was thinking, initially, a magnet...

[@afjer]

@@alopandur That bitting, though. It's begging for a wave rake.

[@lolikinguwu4247]

I manage an Ace and I always tell my associates to check the key on our key finder before cutting anything for this exact reason. We see a lot of odd keys come through here, mostly from the old locksmith that used to be next door. They made their own custom keys that would look like an SC1 but we’re actually KW1 and so on. Don’t know why they did that, but years later we still find those keys floating around.

[@SianaGearz]

Vendor lock-in. Generation of repeat business.

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

But why, it's a smartlock, why also have a key, that completely throws away the idea of the smartlock if you can just lockpick it with less problems than a freakin' skyrim apprentice level lock.

[@sleeptyper]

Can you open the electronic lock with a strong magnet? That would really make a cherry on top of this cake..

[@JordanPlayz158]

And if not, it would be nice to see if these locks can be saved by disabling the key unlock mechanism

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

@@JordanPlayz158 There are devices around. You'd need to get a blank key (as seen, kinda hard to do for this), but you can make a "disabler key" that will jam up the keyway and can be removed later with tools/the rest of the disabler.

[@sleeptyper]

@@JordanPlayz158 If the core could be changed, that would make a huge improvement.

[@JordanPlayz158]

@@ConstantlyDamaged interesting, either disabler key or core replacement like sleeptyper said although, we also don't know about any other exploits, most concerning if I had to guess, would be what sleeptyper said initially, using a strong magnet

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

@@JordanPlayz158 Yeah, magnet bypasses don't always work though, and I would have expected LPL to have gone over this one with a magnet to test it.

[@r0nb0h0ju]

Looking at the supplied key, the key itself looked like a bump key. (you know those full auto keys) Would a different pattern of pins make the wave rake less effective?

[@Ghost_Os]

Might take a little longer, but probably wouldn't make much difference. I have a six pin Schlage I use as a practice lock. Two regular pins, two serrated, one mushroom, one spool; mix of high-low. It's meant for practicing SPP, but it can still be opened with a bogota in 5 - 10 seconds. You just have to rake and scrub at a variety of angles while playing with the tension. Adding a zero lift pin or two can sometimes frustrate or at least prolong raking or other kinetic type attacks, but it typically makes single pin picking easier, because it's essentially as if that pin stack doesn't exist; you never have to touch it, because it's already sitting at the shear line. If a zero lift stack is situated in front of a pin stack that has to be lifted very high, that can make it a little tricky, especially if it's coordinated with the binding order of that particular lock. In terms of security, it's best to think in layers: well-lit grounds and entrances where the lights can't be easily disabled; no big trees or high bushes which block the view of any point of entrance; if you have plants around your windows, make them the thickest, thorniest rose bushes you can get, and don't have a gap between them and the wall; no enclosed entrance-ways which are unsecured; all doors have at least two locks; make sure your deadbolts are properly installed and the bolt can extend fully into the frame; install anti-kick plates with long screws that effectively anchor your deadbolt into the stud, and thus distribute force throughout the entire stud; if you have an alarm, ideally it will make noise, but also actually call a dedicated monitoring company that will phone the police for you (this should use a cellphone service so a prospective burglar can't just cut your phoneline from outside... There's all sorts of things you can do, but at the end of the day, you don't have to try to turn your place into Fort Knox; it just has to be less appealing to the criminal element than the place down the road (or better yet, in an entirely different community). As long as you're not being specifically targeted, that should be enough to prevent you being randomly targeted. So just roleplay yourself as a burglar; what would make you pass up a house? Implement those things. This is probably a lot more than you were asking about, but there you go 😆

[@JohnSmithShields]

​@Ghost failing that, brick goes through window.

[@Ghost_Os]

@@JohnSmithShields Sure. I mean we could talk about shatter-proof laminates, 'decorative' steel bars, yada-yada... But at the end of the day, if someone wants to get in bad enough, and is willing to destroy obstacles to do so, yeah, they're going to get in. Steal a car and ram it through a door or a wall... Buy a thermic lance for a couple grand and cut a hole... Show up with a drill and a 5 inch holesaw and make a hole in your door to reach through... That's why I said the main thing is to make your place unappealing. So unless they specifically want your house for some reason, they'll rather hit somewhere that will represent a lower risk - less time, less noise, less exposure... I tell people to get a dog, or at least make it look like they have one from the outside. People say, 'ehh, criminal will just shoot the dog' - some might, if they have a gun... Yet time and again when asked, people who are locked up for breaking and entering say they avoided houses if they thought there was a dog; even the ones who were armed. Dobermans tended to be the breed of most concern. Rottweilers would probably be a discouraging detail as well, but I'm speculating on that one. Point is, avoid doing things that make yourself a specific target, and then take measures that make you less appealing a random target than the place on the other side of town.

[@Michaelzehr]

I'm surprised the lock fits standard cutouts in doors and jambs. Thanks for figuring these things out to save us the frustration.

[@richardokeefe7410]

2:40ish -- "don't let it be the wave rake, don't let it be the wave rake, OH, it's the wave rake.": How can a lock company in this day and age sell locks that fall to a wave rake without being sued to oblivion?

[@aserta]

Whilst indeed, it's a really stupid move to change the key's apparent brand... i have to question if someone is that stupid as to not identify the issue with the key, and by someone i mean the most basic person involved in the process of making a key, someone who at the very minimum, knows to check a key to see if the points and valleys match. At least here in Europe, ... across pretty much all of the EU, i've never had the key maker not check the keys one on top of another even as a cursory glance. That said, i still question the value of security in US, doesn't matter what the look looks like or uses on the outside, the inner mechanism is a really stupid design that offers little to no actual safety and can be easily popped open with a prybar (outside of the door being made out of 2 mm thick metal, to actually resist deflection). So the entire thing is flawed and rotten from the core. I would never use such a thing, and never have had. The only time i used that base body is for bathroom doors. That's about the long and short of the trust one can place on that style of a mechanism that has no structure with the actual door, and which by its very installation, further weakens an already cheap (for the most part of what's being used) door.

[@mattdude]

To be fair, when you hand the key to the employee at Home Depot they typically scan it before grabbing the appropriate key blank. But I would imagine it would still be pretty funny seeing the look on the employee’s face when he sees the Schlage looking key and the machine says it’s a KW1 key.

[@joshuahopkins421]

As a a Locksmith who also works for Home Depot I examine keys thoroughly before proceeding when I run into things I didn't expect.

[@MrSquatch93]

I'm a locksmith In Oklahoma City and this happens to us quite frequently. I've learned to always look down the key to make sure if it's sc1 or kw1

[@webrosc]

i would think that checking the shaft shape (don't know the proper term) would be a standard part of making sure the blank is right

[@MrSquatch93]

@@webrosc It should be but we often get in a hurry and rely on the shape of the key. Def a bad habit I had to break

[@DaxSkrai]

After watching this video I finally had the thought of "how many locks does he have in his collection at this point?!" But also "how many of those locks are over $100?!" Dude must have a retirement plan in his garage at this point holy crap.

[@f1ggyc]

Well you gotta consider that you might have to pay $100 to buy a lock new but very often it won't deliver $100 of protection :)

[@Jehty_]

Or he just sends them back after making the video 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@CreativityNull]

​@@Jehty_ from what I've seen he often doesn't so he can keep things to practice on, catalogue them for historical record, or to study for vulnerabilities or comparisons to other locks.

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

What you should be most interested in, is what lock he uses to secure his retirement plan in the garage. :) THAT lock would be worth buying if you have something valuable to secure :)

[@stirfryjedi]

In a recent, past video (I'm fairly certain the "most expensive lock" one), he mentioned having "tens of thousands of locks" in his house.

[@merlinmagnus873]

As he slid the keys out the way, I was chanting "Wave rake! Wave rake!". Thank you LPL for not disappointing, unlike this lock.

[@swagrid92]

Lol to not realize the key is longer your locksmith must not have made a key ever in his life before xD always check your work after cutting the keys...

[@Sailing_Bungaree]

I’ve gotta say, as a professional locksmith, we notice stuff like this. ( mostly) It’s our job.

[@herpderp264]

Problem is that here in America most big box stores have machines that any schlub with a quarter of a brain can use to cut keys, and most of them would have no idea what was wrong

[@Kvltklassik]

Eufy sends unencrypted footage from your private "local storage" security cameras, direct to the literal Chinese government. Not even Eufy denies this any more, though they did for quite a while. I was hoping you'd mention that too as it is relevant to good security, brand integrity, and a smart product from the range which as you mentioned can sync with other Eufy products.

[@bjn714]

Fairly common on Chinese made locksets as of late. Got a "Cielsa Dawn" branded knob with lock off Amazon (just needed something to keep the kids out of an interior door, it isn't for actual security) and found the exact same situation. Schlage looking key, with KW1 keyway, but about 1.5mm shorter than the actual KW1 key. Luckily they included 3 keys and I also cut my own key blanks, so it wasn't difficult to work around, but as you say, the average consumer will be quite frustrated.

[@danser_theplayer01]

Is there at least one lock in this universe that *does not suck* ? I saw so many videos of this guy and I now have a lock-sistential crisis. "Why do locks exist if they can be opened by anybody in half a minute?"

[@jceggbert5]

Unrelated to this video, I see multiple channels over on Rumble that appear to be you, and have much of your catalog. Are any of them legitimately you, or are they all stealing your content?

[@bvoyelr]

Fun fact: Eufy is also involved in another scandal -- their cameras, which proport to be completely private and secure, send a bunch of pictures, unencrypted, to a server that you can access via a simple url. And when you cancel your service, **Eufy keeps the pictures**. So yeah, chances are that physical security isn't the only dimension this system is lacking in.

[@snigbylife]

I love your reviews of bad locks, but I'd really like to see a series of "good" locks (or "better" locks, if you can't find any good ones out there)!

[@coopercummings8370]

If you want a good lock, look into the Bowley locks. He couldn't find a way to pick them at all.

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

@@coopercummings8370 They have been picked. To OP, find a quality locksmith in your area, tell them you want to swap all the locks in your house for keyed-alike ones, tell them you want them to be hard to pick, bump, and rake. They'll either start talking "security pins" and "spring pressure" or you should go somewhere else.

[@MikeyOlsen]

Imagine the rage this person would feel when they find out all the Eufy cameras they also installed are not secure and eufy uploads the data to their cloud even if you don’t want them too.

[@Sharpened_Spoon]

Someone uses the security flaw to get their address and remotely watch their own cameras to see them leave, then turns up with a wave rake to steal all their valuables. They’ve created the complete opposite of incentive for brand loyalty.

[@adrielbeling139]

Hey can you pick the latest Honda disk brake lock?I haven't seen you pick this type of lock.

[@restandrelaxation4039]

Those wifi locks should send a message to the owner “you’re lock is under attack” while it’s being picked. Then you could send an over ride message that could disable the mechanical part. But I guess that’s pointless if it only takes 10 seconds to take the thing open.