15313 - San Francisco, CA - Commander Super Pumper EXT

[@406fish1]

Absolutely love, and love the code 3 TA and siren setup, my dream truck right there.

[@thunderbear0]

True. Code 3 has the best sirens

[@406fish1]

@@thunderbear0 amen!

[@viperq]

I think this will be SFFD's 1st Rosenbauer.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

Correct

[@leehart9055]

WOW what a truck. I would like to see this truck in action.

[@dbyers3897]

NO, you do not. Testing & training only, please. Hopefully they will collect dust.

[@samcaban7229]

Very surprised they went with Rosenbaur since recently SFFD was purchasing Ferrara engines,and Ferrara has a Super Pumper model perhaps it didn't meet SFFD spec's?

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

Don’t think so, looking comparatively to the Ferrara one. This is more powerful and a little more experimental to what it seems is being looked for, especially when considering our AUX water system

[@dbyers3897]

Aaah, cost? Open bidding means Rosie underbid Ferrara.

[@MaxsFireVideography]

What station is this truck gonna be housed when it goes into service

[@DarrenToy]

SFFD station 48

[@MaxsFireVideography]

@@DarrenToy thanks

[@peterarvanitis6497]

That’s a lot of water flow there

[@geraldfichtner1915]

Fantastic did he say they will have 30 of these Units ? how much for this special unit ? TIA : GF : Boston

[@owensweetland342]

Seems like the West Coast is switching to Rosenbauer. The company offers tha just this familiar grill face.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

SF just revived a ton of new ferrera equipment, however these seems more powerful than the super pumpers that ferrera makes

[@dbyers3897]

@@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396 But did they live? IE, "revived"

[@HighwayLand]

3:31 SF plans on having 30 of these?!?!?! Where do they plan on keeping all these rigs? And I am sure the city does realize that most of the roads for that BIG ONE will be damaged or destroyed, so good luck on getting all 30 of these rigs to the location where you need them. Nothing against SF by the way, I think it's great that they are getting prepared for the inevitable, but nobody is every truly prepared.

[@tfefire]

The press release from July 14, 2021 says "an initial order of three" so either he *really* misspoke or the contract has options for up to 30. The contract runs through 2024 or extend to 2028 so they'd need to get busy building these things if that was the case. Even then I doubt SF is getting more than 5 for themselves. The others would go to surrounding cities/county. Way too much for specialty vehicles if SF was keeping all of them.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

@@tfefire yeah there’s currently 4 portal hose tenders in SF, so the idea of 30 especially with where certain stations are located is kinda wild haha

[@dbyers3897]

It's a high-capacity pumper, not a hose tender.

[@mikeforster8798]

Its both

[@nightwolf883]

Is that a rotator lightbar on the roof?

[@cumulusterraticus3446]

55 gallon per minute Whats may be the maximal amount of minerals during use if there isnt enough water support it may stand ? 25 millions in reserve ? So the even know how to deal with emergency road mapping for quick rides too astonishing !

[@miguel-andrewjimenez9499]

When will this truck enter service?

[@jessnunez7556]

Wow I’ve never seen so many discharges

[@Uisci81]

Our newest Fireboat for SF has 10 5” outlets and it can offload 20,000 GPM

[@jessnunez7556]

@@Uisci81 wow I would love to see that in action.

[@jromebizzle]

Has anyone seen this engine on a fire?

[@dbyers3897]

Not an engine so could not & would not normally operate at a fire. Please register to the video. Take notes.

[@williamheber2118]

What is the manpower for this unit? How long for setup? How do they retrieve suction hose from above? How much manpower for the setup?

[@chazman4461]

My guess would be an engine company is dispatched with it to assist. A lot of larger departments employ auxiliary personnel 24/7 also so they may have that option. Just my guess what I have seen other places.

[@ryanrodriguez8918]

​@@chazman4461 they will most likely cross-staff these units as they are not your everyday driver. Just like some stations have USAR and HAZMAT units...those are all cross-staffed by FF's with specialties on each specific apparatus...

[@Uisci81]

I work at a station with a Hose Tender in SF, if the HT is needed, two firefighters, we run 4 man crews jump on the HT and both Engine and HT respond to the incident and we become the manpower for the HT (deployment/operation) etc.

[@rp1645]

@@Uisci81 Also did not the NEW fireboat be able to work with these engines in case the secondary water system is put out of service. Say another big Earthquake.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

@@rp1645 in theory if needed can connect to the fire boats, happened during the 89 earthquake as well

[@solarissv777]

I wonder why they chose this instead of containerized solution?

[@ryanrodriguez8918]

Picking up and moving a container is too time consuming...unlike these you can just drive to where you need to go if you need to relocate your apparatus...

[@solarissv777]

@@ryanrodriguez8918 yes, but you are not tied to a single vehicle, you can put that container on any suitable commercial carrier, that even if equipped with a hydraulic hookloader may actually cost less then a firetruck Custom chassis. Also for containerized solutions you can use multimodule ones, where the actual pump slides from the platform, while the hose bed stays on, so the truck can continue laying 8 inch line, to the actual fire, while the firefighters besides the pump are working on actual deployment of the pump.

[@CPR12345]

Hey Victor L, you should let the adults play. You don’t know what you’re talking about…so you can sit at the kids table and learn something. 😬🤷🏻‍♂️🤪🙄🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

[@solarissv777]

@@CPR12345 I'm talking about this thing kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJDKdqGqhqqmm68 they are used all over the Europe, and as far as I recall FDNY bought some. But who am I to tell you how to spend the money? If you want copious amounts of chrome and custom chassis that cost at least twice as much as their commercial counterparts feel free to do whatever you want. After all it is the most American thing to have some fire departments with 30 year old vehicles that are held by ductape and prayers, and others that spend money on gold-plated letters on their trucks.

[@owensweetland342]

$$

[@MrJLee-ri3so]

They bought Ferreri engines before, shorter engines so they can navigate the narrow streets .

[@chazman4461]

This is a specialty unit. So my guess is those were not desired requirements as it is strictly water supply.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

Ferrera does make super pumpers as well, this one seems more powerful

[@dbyers3897]

SF streets are not narrow except for a few in the oldest parts. Maneuverability through traffic is the primary reason for shorter wheelbases. These tenders will not be line units so will seldom need to negotiate heavy traffic.

[@dbyers3897]

@@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396 It may seem it since Rosie likes to build monstrous apparatus but it isn't any more powerful than Chris Ferrara's.

[@georgecoons6872]

They got this idea from New York city. 4 for each burough.

[@SuperNytube]

Where can I find more info on the New York plan ?

[@tfefire]

@@SuperNytube Search for "Super Pumper System". Not quite as George described.

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

We already had hose tenders here we just never have to really use them, there’s 4-5 in SF currently they’re a lot older though

[@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396]

@@SuperNytube type in Ferrera Super Pumper FDNY

[@MB12116]

@@qreviewswquiantehoggard5396 the super pumper didn’t include the hose. This a a genius setup by sffd. It was tested in the 1989 earthquake, and they used a fireboat for water supply.

[@littlehuey5679]

Who else besides SF has one ?

[@dbyers3897]

No one else would waste money on something like this. San Francisco has a particular need so they had a specialty pumper built.

[@thenussbaum44]

They need that GPM so they can wash all the crap off the streets from the homeless.

[@Lucyblacklab]

I wonder how much that bad boy was

[@blainenodes8182]

W/add on equipment,must be 900.000.oo$+ just a ???in 2023 u can still get an engine

[@davidweston6653]

Average pumpers w/o frills are often 1mil. This critter will be way above that 🚒💨

[@dbyers3897]

@@davidweston6653 Trucks avg $1m but engines are $300,000 to $600,000 depending on the specs & number in the contract. My estimate for this apparatus is roughly $5m. It's a monstrous one-of-a-kind.

[@mitchhoward9181]

Seems like a waste of money for 30 of them. It would be better to just upgrade or extend the hydrant system.

[@NeilM01989]

Nice video, liked and shared 🧑🏻👍🏻🚒

[@bobdambra4421]

More crap! This is more selling/buying of things you really don't use or rarely need. Money is better spent on the more manpower and standard engines. San Francisco does not have a water problem or a pumping problem it has a priority problem! These toys do nothing to increase manpower or attac capabilities at a fire. Someone decided they want a bigger toy then their neighbor. How many men could these over sized, over weight, and over priced toys been replaced with where you need it most... This is a real circus...

[@joek0617]

This is for disasters where the water supply is broken

[@lesterawalt3184]

I call bs on the 6800 gpm. Some basic math says that is not going to happen

[@lakshkarkera4661]

WHY

[@ryanrodriguez8918]

That is why they pay the engineers who designed this the big bucks, and not us!

[@chazman4461]

Every pumper sold by all manufacturers go through a UL test. It has to pass that test to get rated. Most large departments also test to make sure it gets to the rating desired. Or people do not get paid.

[@lenphil9875]

You can call what you like. If you haven't tested it yourself, your call is BS.

[@LAFD54]

LOL! What basic math did you use and where did you obtain your fire protection engineering degree from?