1600s warfare | pike phalanx action

[@johnsnow618]

"One farmer even can kill 10 samurai with Pike" -Oda Nobunaga

[@theunknownfencer6336]

What? that doesn't make any sense

[@johnsnow618]

@@theunknownfencer6336 don't ask me, ask oda Nobunaga 😂

[@armoredangel01]

@@johnsnow618 Actually it does make sense, I believe what the 'point' Oda Nobunaga is trying to make is that even a farmer, with the proper training, can be turned into a soldier, and a pike is quite an easy weapon to master

[@curtiswong7280]

Yarimazing

[@blackpowderkun]

@@armoredangel01 Thought that's a reference to the Long spear Ashigaru.

[@AlexanderTheBloodraven]

I feel like this time period is massively underrated. This was a transitional period in which all earlier types of tactics and weapons were used alongside the weapons of early modern warfare. Muskets, pistols and cannons were used by knights in armor together with swords, spears, halberds and even crossbows (though the crossbows were mostly phased halfway through). Even the tactics were inspired from earlier ages. For example, the spanish tercios was almost like an abstract combination of both the Macedonian Phalanx and the Roman Cohorts.

[@judgeoftruth6058]

This is like final fantasy guns with swords.

[@doodlebug1820]

Its not a fast food tier list its horrific

[@Fred_L.]

Just for the records as to where the scenes are from: 1. Cromwell (1970) 2. Alatriste (2006) 3. The Musketeers (2014-2016 series)

[@donwillis9103]

The Musketeers seemed the most ridiculous of the 3. Alatriste was the most tense, and seemed far more realistic. Nobody alive today could imagine what it was like in the middle of one of those fights staring down a pike.

[@adolfoestella4699]

a hero

[@deadby15]

It’s amazing people were willing to die for kings/queens who didn’t give a d__n about them.

[@jeffjerome4805]

THANK YOU Fred!

[@janefelix3821]

@@donwillis9103 That is because it attempted to put modern morals and PC into a story taking place 500 years ago.

[@TFOURIE]

That pike battle is absolute horror on the next level - like two porcupines running into each other.

[@Kokopilau77]

I like how the drummer starts advancing, sees some people die, pauses for a sec with a “holy shit, that guy just bit it” then does a double take.

[@brp946]

I like the 1600s as they are this clash between old and new, you see midevil stuff mixed with early modernism

[@lisarino1180]

It was the last breath of Medieval/Reinassance warfare

[@matt.p.6022]

Wish there were more representations of this period. I'd love to see more of this type of stuff!

[@Brokenlance]

The 16th century as well (1500’s) where you still have fully kitted knights as well as firearms dominating the battlefield. This was also the beginning of the reign of the Tercio on the battlefield.

[@thrifikionor7603]

@@Brokenlance Not only fully kitted knights as well as firearms. Fully kitted knights WITH firearms, often two at a time.

[@AscentofTrollbane]

shut up, moron

[@garypanter1881]

Good example of Pike Warfare especially with the sword and buckler men going in under the pikes.

[@jesusseoane2296]

Gary Panter the movie clip is from Capitan Alatriste about the Spanish Tercios with viggo Mortensen

[@shaaprosperous1520]

Why didn't the Romans adopt the Macedonian Phalanx ?

[@oscardelafuente8649]

@@shaaprosperous1520 originally they used it , but moved on to the 3 line system because the Italian terrain was not suited for phalanx combat. the samnite wars are a good starting point

[@alexanderhyaguer6827]

@@oscardelafuente8649 Indeed the romans used phalanx in the early realm before the republic, but they see that a better shield can improve the efectinees of a soldier so they start to use the testudo and increasse the size of the shield until cover almost entirely, so when they fight against greeks they see their phalanx stank untill the heavy roman infantry and they pilums reduce their coerssion. But when they start to encounter cavalry especially in germany and persia, (3,4 century) they restored the medium lance in their infantry formations. And increase the size of their swords.

[@spinachmuncher2566]

is that really how they did it? dodging spears and stabbing each other in the groin? good lord, Renaissance obviously didn't apply to warfare, still as barbaric and savage as it had always been.

[@raginasiangaming910]

I always said...imagine having to stand in formation in this time period (all the way through the 19th century) and not flinch while exchanging volleys of gunfire with another side less than 50 meters away...took balls of steel to be a grunt then.

[@blastroisehunt6546]

When you are with many, have courage meb

[@mikailshakes4514]

Musket fire are not like bullets, they don't instantly kill

[@ApersonIguess-rb6fu]

@@mikailshakes4514 actually that's incorrect as musketballs are very much bullets, they may not look like bullets we have today but they are indeed bullets. Also muskets were very much deadly infact if a person was shot by one many times they would be instantly dead (if not from infection later). Unlike modern bullets which have penetration power, musketballs have stopping power meaning they slam into you body leaving huge horrendous wounds tearing apart flesh while shattering bones and turning them into shrapnel in your body so needless to say a person isn't surviving that

[@paddyret7968]

@@mikailshakes4514 "They don't instantly kill" while neither does any bullet really, all depends on where it hits you, and that's not always a good thing. I'd far rather take a ball to the skull than the throat.

[@mikailshakes4514]

@@paddyret7968 Well Muskets are most likely lesser due to the fact that in a lot of 18th century wars, most of the casualties are from untreated wounds and disease

[@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos]

I heard the frontline of the Pike units were paid double, since it was expected they're the first to fall.

[@enlightenedterrestrial]

I think that was the Zweihander soldiers. The frontline of the Pike were usually the most experienced, the best armored people in the army.

[@derkylos]

Hence the "doppelsoldner" (double mercenary). They fulfilled a role similar to the sword and buckler men as depicted in the 2:30 clip, getting past the pikes to break the enemy's formation. "Zweihander" is a two-handed sword which could be used in such a role. And, yes, they did have the best possible armour as it was the most dangerous place to be. Although I recall a certain English commander in the Civil War who fought in the front rank of his pike formation and was killed within minutes of the battle commencing, leaving his men leaderless...

[@duchessskye4072]

The doppelsöldner did not have greatswords usually, they were a ratio of 50-50 with gunners/crossbowmen and pikemen/halberdiers. Greatsword users were usually stationed at the back, and while they also counted as doppelsöldner they weren't leading the charge. You put a guy with a sword head-on against guys with pikes and all you will accomplish is a dead swordsman. Instead the better use is to use them defensively, or send them wherever is needed in the formation, as was likely done.

[@rodrigogimenez-ricolaguna4913]

In the Spanish Tercios, the best of its times and unbeated for many many years on wars all over Europe, the first lines were reserved for spanish soldiers by their own demand, and with the most war experience.

[@velorn8927]

@@duchessskye4072 it was likely that they where used like Alexander the greats swordsman dude Of course you wouldnt send them first into the front ranks dude You would look for weakness somewhere in the line (your pikeman taking some ground from the enemy, confusion or retreat from pressure) Or try to find a sufficient opening (maybe a opening created by your cavalry that you can exploit to get some guys through, enemy formation could have an opening due to terrain that pike formation cant traverse) to get around the formation to attack it from another angle...Then you send in your swordsmen So you are both right in a sense

[@xhagast]

Curiously battles were fought rarely. Warfare was more about sieges and ravaging the lands of the enemy. A lost battle could finish a conflict. Even if the loses weren't very big.

[@jaysonp9426]

Yep pitched battles were the equivalent of going to the casino with your empire

[@pavelstaravoitau7106]

This was the case in Western Europe. When western mercenaries serving the Swedes were hired by Russia in the early 17th century, many complained and eventually munitined because, among many other things, that they had to fight way more often.

[@siralexandersequeira3rdcou12]

Seeing a cavalry commander shout "Tally-Ho!" is one of the best things i have seen today.

[@adamcheklat7387]

That’s not just a cavalry commander, that’s Prince Rupert of the Rhine, cousin to Charles I.

[@siralexandersequeira3rdcou12]

@@adamcheklat7387 Yeah, even better!

[@lebarosky]

Interesting contrast between Cromwell, Captain Alatriste, and that last film. I think Captain Alatriste is by far the most realistic.

[@juanalvarez2830]

Yes, but spanish gouvernement don't like it, and put down the movie. It's nice movie but poor. Marxismos = sionismos, in Spain. For them : The life arrive in this world with their new order sionist. TOTAL DESTRUCTION OS EUROPA IN 72 LITLE SIDES, ALL CONTROLED BY THEM In 1666 arrive at London from Holland this new order, in 400 boats. They destriud all, to create THE CITY, where they don't pay takes. TAXIS, yes they pay taxis. Only this

[@danielleiva9353]

@@juanalvarez2830 ¿has olvidado tomarte la medicación hoy Juan?

[@zurgesmiecal]

@@danielleiva9353 Daniel La judía Leiva, gonna cry?

[@danielleiva9353]

@@zurgesmiecal hombre, no me gustan mucho las judías verdes pero tampoco lloraría si hay que comerlas. No os olvidéis del gorrito de papel de plata al salir de casa. Saludos

[@zacharywiedner327]

Cromwell has the best 1000 foot view. Formations, deployment and movement of units, scale of battle, etc. Alatriste has the more realistic 'close up' depiction, showing that slow, desperate, and brutal grind fight between the pike lines. Both are great.

[@Tom-bm2kt]

I can't believe the cameraman survived that phalanx showdown.

[@randomsomeguy156]

Camera man never dies

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

Last clip is a joke

[@stevenblack7928]

Hollywood trash I think

[@matthewrichardson8760]

what do you mean, anyone can just push 10 pikes to the ground and then use them as a ramp to jump over the enemy 3:40

[@janefelix3821]

@@stevenblack7928 Actually BBC PC nonsense, putting today's society into mid 17th Century.

[@alessiodecarolis]

Alatriste was really a good movie, wish they'd made a serie from these books

[@Fred_L.]

There is an Alatriste series, released in 2015. IMO not on the same level though.

[@wolfgangkranek376]

Not every pike formation is a phalanx though. The Spanish fe. fought as a so called Tercio.

[@beep1534]

a Tercio aint the name of the specific formation. I also dont think phalanx is the right term too. Tercio is the given name to the entire army unit consitsing of its pikemen, arquebuseers, musketeers, artillery, cavalry and supplies. Kind of like a Legion so to speak.

[@AleksanderK12]

I love that how in "Cromwell" in last second pikemans start charging and ruin whole battle scene

[@marleegould542]

When two pike squares met (and that's what they where called, not a phalanx) it was commonly known as "the push of pike". Sometimes the men on both sides would just kinda yell a lot and make it look convincing, then retreat because fuck that shit. 🤣

[@bello9740]

"The boss is watching, look busy"

[@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978]

guys with pikes: heh heh stabby stabby from ten feet away! that one guy with a dagger: i'm going to do what's called a progamer move.

[@gregorjerman973]

The trumpeter had really a good time after all

[@dionysus6892]

Gotta wonder if the drummer boys of opposite sides ever met on the field

[@BestMods168]

drum duel.

[@d.esanchez3351]

If both were in the right side they probably wont see each other but maybe the one from the company besides them... And what the hell do they did when the pikes clashed? just... stood there praying or what?

[@imstuff2499]

@@d.esanchez3351 probably went deep into their formation for protection,they need the drums to communicate

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

did the drummer boys live that long?

[@PowermadNavigator]

That last clip comes in like some sort of joke, where is it from? :o

[@rickdelapaz4632]

dunno its like a trashy film. than the first two.

[@MatthewOlney]

It's from the Three Musketeers TV show

[@mmareviewer.2372]

totally

[@SPARTANSAM1]

A movie called Altariste

[@armchairradical2665]

psshh what do you mean?? every one knows that the Spanish tercios would instantly break formation the second some dude with a sword charged at them

[@xinweiliu617]

1:32 It only took one swing with a sword to knock a fully armed cuirassier off the horse. :(

[@rouch7219]

Yes it would. He may not he dead, but he is sure as hell knocked off.

[@majorcoat]

Got to remember the force behind the sword and the surface area that force is concentrating on... it not kill ,but I would definitely imagine him being laid back in the saddle with slow recovery because of his armor weight or just thrown off the horse completely.

[@williemherbert1456]

@@majorcoat or could be his foot stuck with the stirrup and being dragged by his panicked horse

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

Not possible with a sword. If it's a lance hit, it would make more sense

[@Brokenlance]

Love the people justifying that a swing from a sword can knock down a 200 pound man in 75 pound armor. That is nearly impossible. Not completely impossible but close.

[@reesezpeecez08]

Great video, I am going to have to watch the first two movies now. Thanks.

[@erlantzbeltz4904]

The Spanish rouge was formed under the pikes.

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

The last video: HE'S JUST SOMEONE WITH A SWORD. HOW ARE WE LOSING TO THIS GUY?

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

quite a contrast between the first and second. the first is "oh jolly good times lads! look at the pretty uniforms and pretty horses from a safe sanitized distance" while the second is "your in the dirt with us watching guys get stabbed in the balls and being torn open by big bore guns"

[@thegrowthparamedic]

Look at that, not a phone in sight! Just people living in the moment

[@reymartmaquiling5828]

Call me crazy but I want a 17th century army pitted against zombies. imagine pikemen clashing against hordes of zombies. Isn't that cool?

[@based_kaiser9015]

Same

[@blackpowderkun]

Read a novel with something similar, Zombie/berserker got stab through the torso and push through the psychological effect lead to formation breaking.

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

i had that same thought

[@Joe_Yabuki858]

Warhammer Fantasy

[@GararValurHallfresson]

Not a cellphone in sight. Just people enjoying the moment

[@SlovakianBoy2580]

Well yes, but actually no

[@Danielperezguitar]

2:14 gotta love the random "son of a bitch" shout (hijo de puta)

[@d.a.g.c961]

Wtf the last clip

[@chikami6014]

Lol that scene with that man forcing down a handful of pikes with his sword -- yes because soldiers trained with pikes are taught to handle them with soft grips and with no sense of purpose

[@erichvondonitz5325]

pikes are long and heavy, its hard to properly hold them so a wipe can easily dispatch them

[@MetalKingII]

@@erichvondonitz5325 Maybe in some situations but mostly not and especially not as easily as in that ridiculous scene.

[@erichvondonitz5325]

@@MetalKingII yup, depends on the situation

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

gotta admit that scene is horseshit

[@florentinoramirez2257]

Los temibles tercios españoles, la fuerza más letal en los campos de batalla europeos durante siglo y medio Saludos desde México.

[@carloscisneros792]

Hola Sabes como se llama la pelicula

[@Penismeister3000]

@@carloscisneros792 1. Cromwell (1970) 2. Alatriste (2006) 3. The Musketeers (2014-2016 series)

[@telfax9429]

오늘도 잘 보고 갑니다. 좋은 영상 고맙습니다.

[@natewatl9423]

Pikes: size matters, eh?

[@TRICELLxGAMER]

1:51 No phones, no Tiktards, just people enjoying the moment

[@richmondlandersenfells2238]

Tiktards😆

[@dreadfullguppy19]

push of pike..a particularly nasty form of warfare

[@karontequinto917]

I know it does little sense to add this but the modern army of spain still has the eay of marching of the tercios (looks gay af but is the most effient way to march while holding an 11 ft pike) an the tercios are the ones in the 2nd film

[@NANNO_FEMBOY]

“TALYHOOOO” lmaoo

[@lorialorenzo6055]

Pedro! Vamolos! Bring the Beer! It's BBQ Time, i have the sticks... 😂

[@TKDragon75]

Yeah this was a weird time for warfare. It was like "Okay so no more knights, we got guns now." But also like "Well the guns aren't very good yet, keep only the pikes, but take off everyone's armor." Pike and Shot was really just a transition period, but it kind of started the notion of gentleman's warfare. And I know musketeers were much easier to train than archers, but personally I think archers could have been devastating if they were used more often during this time.

[@wulfsragar]

it was specificly that, it was more cheaper and easier to outfit a musketeer and training them took way much less then a longbowman, bows takes years to practice if you want to have a good longbowman, and arrows were pretty expensive to make aswell

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

@@wulfsragar Archers would be a lot faster than the musketeer though

[@wulfsragar]

@@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934 true, but it still takes a hell of alot of training and years of experience to get to that point, training in the use of muskets or arquebus takes waaaaay less time and effort, they choose it this way because of time and money, arrows are really expensive at the time, but i do get your point though ;)

[@aaronjacobamadorsalazar1934]

@@wulfsragar I mean investments won't hurt if it'd work...

[@carlostintaya8229]

an archers reserve behind a line of musketeers would be devastating

[@Velkan1396]

Name of the movie pls?

[@aeiou6766]

Me recuerda a los invictos y honorables tercios

[@sandybeach3576]

Looks like fun

[@DD-hu8bp]

At this point, bro will called every pike formation a phalanx

[@bobohow6335]

The last clip has the worst plot in best quality. Movie industries can't make a qualified film after they developed advanced technique.

[@jacobrigby3172]

did someone shout "Hijo de puta" during the pike clash ?

[@Fred_L.]

Yep.

[@HrafnkelHarthrathi]

Not worth watching the last clip.

[@Pickle911]

Did u know that in the medieval century they basically use pikemens as shield for the musketeer to be defended againts cavalry but the problem is pikemens were slowly fading away so they came up with an idea called plug bayonet it can be attach to the barrel but problem is it often falls from the barrel and also makes the gun not be able to be shot

[@pgtv6761]

1500 old 1600 new Brain logic

[@francelewiss7030]

I can imagine what this war is like if the Samurai was there

[@baldwintheleper8290]

They would be destroyed

[@trk1b28varianrhesa4]

@@baldwintheleper8290 well, they have musketeer too

[@soniavallejos3039]

Cagayan battle.

[@BrandonCRFC]

this was educational and refreshing realkistic

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

So the Morien style helmet WAS common across Europe. I admit, I always thought it was mostly a Spanish thing. Wait, what was that last clip from?

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

evidently a show called the musketeers.

[@carlsoria3215]

what name of the movies?

[@sethleoric2598]

No phones.. just people living in the moment

[@marabo12]

the 2nd one please tell me the name of the 2nd one!!!

[@DlomedeS]

The second scene was the best and more realistic.

[@abscbn6599]

What movie is this???

[@wouldyoulikeabanaenae1848]

Imagine charging into spears with horses

[@janefelix3821]

Horses would not go straight into spears, that was the reason for standing in formation like that. They knew the horses would ride around so a square of pikes and later bayonets would keep the horses at bay.

[@anastasiavelonagoshudnaya7455]

1500s Warfare in All Countries!!!!

[@TRHARTAmericanArtist]

This was a good day for Foxes.

[@corvusduluth]

The Rooks will roost, a murder of Crows, the Foxes bellies full.

[@doofkos]

Looks like 'pikes and drums' is much more bloody than 'pipes and drums'.

[@maciejniedzielski7496]

Is that formation a Tertio ?

[@hannibalburgers477]

The part in the middle? Yes, it's tercio. It's from a movie about Rocroi. Edit: Alatriste

[@jakobsavsek7351]

Movie?

[@yanmay9824]

This is at least 2 entirely different conflicts the first is the English civil war ( from the film Cromwell I believe) the second is possibly a Spanish conflict but I am not certain of that.

[@karontequinto917]

Battle of Rocroi,my friend from the film of alatriste

[@familiasotonunez5223]

The 30 years war between Spain and France for the control of Belgium. France won that war and started the Rococo era of france dominace until Napoleon

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

to be fair the 30 years war and the english civil war were happening at the same time. both ended in 1648 i think

[@vicomtedemousson5324]

looks fun, just people living in the moment

[@badguy1481]

I always thought pikes were used ONLY to keep opposing troops and cavalry at arms length so that the enemy could be eliminated with men armed with short swords and bows. I didn't think they could fight pike to pike. But I guess they could?

[@GorinRedspear]

The Italians called it the Bad War. The moment two blocks of pikes are locked in combat, both sides have no other choice but to push forward. Doing so they will sustain terrible casualties, but falling back may result in total destruction. This was starting from the late Middle Ages untill the mid 1600's. After that they were increasingly refraining from locking pikes in such a fashion on the continent. The Dutch and the Swedes had repeatedly beaten larger forces by using superior musketry, and indeed only using pikes as protection for their musketeers. But if needed they could, and did, engage in such a manner of fighting. Also keep in mind that the pike went out of fashion for soldiers when they found out that putting a sharp object on a musket had pretty much the same result. Bayonet charges were the direct successor to pike warfare and in regular use in the First World War.

[@fasiapulekaufusi6632]

The scene you are referring to is the French invasion of Spain.

[@badguy1481]

@@GorinRedspear Interesting. Thanks.

[@sergiorivillocarrere2685]

@@fasiapulekaufusi6632 No, The battle of rocroi was in 1643 in France, the napoleonic invasion of spain was later in 1808 and no-one use the pike then.

[@fasiapulekaufusi6632]

@@sergiorivillocarrere2685 I wasn't referring to Napoleon.

[@PossMcLeod]

Brutal.

[@momentomori5263]

Movie name ?

[@Ggctvmdpl]

Ngeriii

[@Uteuschmidth]

Reminds me Cossacks European Wars :D

[@Fred_L.]

It was such an awesome game.

[@sanuku535]

The clash of pikes. was a mess, a truth.

[@G34993]

Viva España

[@WargameRus]

Не плохо показали бой.

[@chemtrooper1]

No charge of pike…push of pike.

[@doniedoory2.034]

I only need 1 Glock to win that😂

[@CryseTech]

Looks like a game of Cossaks ^^

[@MajesticOak]

Holy shit another Cossacks player!

[@CryseTech]

@@MajesticOak Hello Mate!

[@MajesticOak]

@@CryseTech Which is your favorite in the series? Currently I mostly play Cossacks 3 (mainly because of the quality of life features and that it's in 3D) but I really wish for a remaster of American Conquest (I don't care if they lie and label it as American Conquest 2 much like Cossacks 3 is basically an unfinished remaster of Cossacks 1).

[@charlotteliddell7580]

I'm no expert in warfare but the last one don't work that way right?

[@DJLR1066]

You're right, the most accurate is the second vid

[@deadby15]

In this situation Molotov Cocktails would be effective. Were they used?

[@janefelix3821]

They stared using grenades around this time, basically thin wooden balls stuffed with gunpowder with a short fuse.

[@mr787takium9]

Wow last video was totally suck

[@filidorable]

In Cromwell the movie, when it comes to push of pike in the battle scenes, all the pikemen instantly drop their pikes and draw their 'hangers'! It is quite jarring to see but quite understandable just the same: the Spanish Army extras of 1970 were obviously not trained to use pikes! I do enjoy the movie - for it's 'feel' rather than it's historical accuracy.

[@hunterkiller232134]

Presumably you would train the extras to use pikes, then. That's exactly what movie productions do nowadays.

[@hunterkiller232134]

Presumably you would train the extras to use pikes, then. That's exactly what movie productions do nowadays.

[@filidorable]

@@hunterkiller232134 Health & safety would be a major issue as well. For example, The Sealed Knot and ECW Society DO train their reanactors pike drill, but also ensure that pike heads are rubberised and that the pikes themselves are held almost vertically on contact with the 'enemy'. Thus combat between pike blocks simply evolve into shoving matches. All to do with safety. It must have been nightmarish to be involved in a pike-to-pike struggle IRL!

[@realThomastheCat]

Was there a strategic reason as to why you'd charge your cavalry at a pike wall?

[@KarlPHorse]

You wouldn't.

[@armchairradical2665]

only if you wanted to become a horse kabob

[@armchairradical2665]

you would really only charge the cavalry against musketeers or skirmishers, never pikemen unless they were retreating or broke formation

[@gaolmiralis2247]

@@armchairradical2665 Not really... The French did it quite succesfully at the Battle of Ceresole (it was on the flank though). They also did it during the battle of Marignano, quite effectively. The famous Chevalier de Bayard had to cut his way through the Swiss Phalanx to rescue the Duke of Lorraine. If the pikemen were a perfect anti-cavalry unit, he would've died like the Prince of Tallemont did during that same battle. Thing is, during the early 16th century, firearms weren't some god-tier weapon, they did the job but were inaccurate and misfired more often than not, and cavalry was still clad in full armor (which could make a bullet bounce off). Pikes were effective, but if you take a look at the horse armors of that time, you'll notice that it has some really good angles which could easily make a pike glance off. Knights generally didn't charge pike formations because there was a high chance that they would come off worse, but it happened when the planets aligned, and it could grant some great results. But in the mid to late 16th century, with the evolution of firearms, infantry drills, pikes and all that, God forbid you charge that pike square, you'll look like Swiss cheese in no time.

[@armchairradical2665]

@@gaolmiralis2247 I agree the pike square and other formations were far from perfect and subject to exceptions, like you mentioned. However, these pike formations were probably the most effective tactic against the cavalry. No horse was going to charge into a wall of sharp points, no matter how hard you willed it. But part of the problem with the pikemen, which made them not very effective during the late medieval period, was that they weren't very useful unless they could hold formation. Like you said these formations required extensive drilling and a professional army. The swiss and the Spanish demonstrated the effectiveness of a professional army, during the 16th century and early 17th century. In regards to firearms, they were not really used as the primary attacking force until the mid-part of the 17th century. More often than not firearms were used to disrupt the enemy and open holes in the opponent's formations for the cavalry or pikemen to exploit. Gustavus Adolphus demonstrated how devastating cavalry armed with swords could be. However, by the time formations became mainstream it had become generally accepted that gunpowder weapons were the future. Not really disagreeing, but just affirming that by the 30 years war pikemen were necessary against cavalry.

[@cakomiguel4442]

Bom

[@Wolfen443]

This is insane, Phalanx warfare in the age of guns, sorry warfare is just mad in this time period.

[@Fred_L.]

Reliable guns in warfare were still comparably new during the wars depicted; in those their use was developed and increased considerably.

[@JoseAlvarez-dp8fz]

Viva los Tercios Españoles. Dominating the world for centuries!

[@Lassisvulgaris]

But then came the battle of Breitenfeld.....

[@JoseAlvarez-dp8fz]

Thats right!An astonishing win for the protestans!it was round about 1630 But Spain dominates the world for about 300 years. And after that defeat for another 150 years.The Tercios were undeafetable during a long period of time!

[@Lassisvulgaris]

@@JoseAlvarez-dp8fz That's true. Though the term "protestants" should be exchanged with the term "Lutherans", as the Swedes were Lutheran. The Thirty Year War, started out as Catholicas against Protestants, but later it was rather mixed.... As far as I know, La Legion still uses the term "Tercio" for their units, which is a suitable connection to former traditions. "Nadie en el tercio sabia, quien era aquel legionaro".... Gunpowder changed warfare, and the Swedes developed light artillery, which made it more versatile, and more effective against packed units. I actually liked the movie "Alatriste", as it depicted the tercios in a fairly accurate way.

[@aeiou6766]

@@Lassisvulgaris And the....NORDLINGEN

[@nicholasmarin7855]

Find me pike and shot warfare movies

[@thumperpaul155]

Wouldnt it work better if the ranks behind the pikemen had spears to throw or something?

[@BanditoBurrito]

I see it as the front line are expected to die in a prolonged battle. So everyone should have pikes to reinforce the lost position. Plus it’s expensive to give secondary weapons to everyone when you could just make another unit of pike

[@hunterkiller232134]

The ranks further back would hold their pikes forward so that the enemy cannot effectively get around the pikemen in front. This is painting a broad brush across history but often there would be some type of ranged component near a pike formation to provide support. Typically musketeers who would retreat behind the pikes when threatened, and longbows or archers to support.

[@janefelix3821]

Spears where obsolete by this time. That is what the musketeer's role was, to fire bullets into the opposition. There was a formula to determine the ratio of pike men to musketeers.

[@JayJet53]

Sorry for late reply but some of the musketeers or pistoleers stand behind the first or second rank of pike to shoot while the pikes are in melee

[@TheMrcassina]

Napoleon was a great cavalry commander, he started his career as a cavalry man to become the president of the united states of America

[@yoye101]

the last clip is horrible

[@hannibalburgers477]

Pikemen immediately break formation and pulled their pikes up? Did they learn fighting from M2:TW, lmao

[@KroM234]

The famous Black Guy who charged and broke the Tercios at Rocroi...

[@joeyop17roblox28]

They had matchlocks :/

[@boonamai8926]

How stupid they charged into the pikes in the beginning xD

[@riaharman5460]

This is from cromwell 1970.

[@feereel]

cromwell ??

[@janefelix3821]

Yes, for #1.

[@user-qz7cw7lz9b]

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[@kékédesplages-d6d]

Mine is longer than yours...

[@kahetel13]

Why O why- is it every army always underestimated pikes> They musst be British

[@doctortabasco]

WTF is going on? are they all ok?

[@egoamigo-1377]

Na they died. Blown to pieces or stabbed to death..

[@UnionAndroidSRboi]

Sarisssa was advanced to 15th century then

[@roseblack6089]

长枪刺杀太惨了。

[@icebobk6702]

are they flintlocks? or what?

[@janefelix3821]

The muskets were matchlocks and the pistols were wheellocks. While flintlocks starting appearing around 1610, they were not that reliable and hard to mass produce. It would not be until the 1660s, around 20 years after the first two movies shown take place that they would show up in European arsenals and not until 1700 or so where they would be the mainstay firing mechanism, completely taking over by 1720.

[@icebobk6702]

@@janefelix3821 interesting. Do u know what movie this is? And are there more movies like this?

[@janefelix3821]

@@icebobk6702 The versions of Cyrano De Bergerac have scenes like this as the novel takes place during the Franco-Spanish War 1635-1648. The movies are Cromwell 1970; Allatriste 2006, and the BBC TV show Musketeers 2014-16, though that show was modern PC set in the 1630s and 1640s. Th